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Well ?

Glad to see you finally make an awesome thread. I'm excited to see where this goes. I'll have to brush up on Megatron though. Still, interesting concept.

Also, ANY Ganon?

Originally posted by Sacred 117
Glad to see you finally make an awesome thread. I'm excited to see where this goes. I'll have to brush up on Megatron though. Still, interesting concept.

Also, ANY Ganon? TP only.

Thought as much. Cool. I'll be back when I have info.

Most Megatron versions should curbstomp

Also G1 survived an explosion that knocked Cybertron out of orbit among other crazy feats

Don't Gen 1 Transformers have black hole level tech?

This thread is pure victory. Megatron wins. No one else will say otherwise.

Isn't Ganondorf only killable via the Master Sword?

Typically, yeah you need some way to keep him from reviving or he'll come back to life eventually.

Still, doesn't G1 have really ridiculous feats?

Originally posted by Impediment
Isn't Ganondorf only killable via the Master Sword? So you believe the Living Tribunal can't kill him from marvel comics ?

Originally posted by The Scenario
Typically, yeah you need some way to keep him from reviving or he'll come back to life eventually.

Still, doesn't G1 have really ridiculous feats? Wrong.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you believe the Living Tribunal can't kill him from marvel comics ?

Now, the Living Tribunal most definitely has some way to prevent Ganondorf from coming back to life, even if I don't know that much about him. Most High Heralds and above should have some way to deal with that through versatility if anything.


Is anyone going to tell me Megatron's feats?

Originally posted by The Scenario
Now, the Living Tribunal most definitely has some way to prevent Ganondorf from coming back to life, even if I don't know that much about him. Most High Heralds and above should have some way to deal with that through versatility if anything.


Is anyone going to tell me Megatron's feats? Why do you assume we have to convince you ?

Because I know precisely jack squat about G1 Megatron and would appreciate some information.

Someone said he survived an explosion that knocked a planet out of orbit. Is this true?

Originally posted by The Scenario
Because I know precisely jack squat about G1 Megatron and would appreciate some information.

Someone said he survived an explosion that knocked a planet out of orbit. Is this true? Let me see if I can find a few clips for you.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?p=PL1C5DB13C7D09F766&v=BnsK3N012RE&feature=plpp

So do you agree Megatron wins, Scenario ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
So do you agree Megatron wins, Scenario ?

Ehhhh, maybe. Based on the clip you showed, his gun has some pretty good firepower, what with the wrecking of a cliffside and all. Pretty close to something Ganondorf has shrugged off, though.

What really gives him the win, though, would be this:



^ If true, Ganondorf can not hurt him at all. Megatron's firepower is likely enough to harm Ganondorf after an extended period, so sure.

Megatron wins.

1. That's a big if, and I'd like to see the scene.

2. Enough firepower for Ganondorf to laugh at, woo.

Combine those two and you get a stalemate... Excepting that Ganondorf has exotic powers. shrug

Needs more firepower and confirmation of durability, since I'm pretty sure Megatron gets beaten up by the autobots fairly consistently. uhuh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1sEA4-zyYY

Prime dents the shit out of him with his bare fists, especially toward the end.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Ehhhh, maybe. Based on the clip you showed, his gun has some pretty good firepower, what with the wrecking of a cliffside and all. Pretty close to something Ganondorf has shrugged off, though.

What really gives him the win, though, would be this:



^ If true, Ganondorf can not hurt him at all. Megatron's firepower is likely enough to harm Ganondorf after an extended period, so sure.

Megatron wins. Megafron wins. This is a great day. I have taken scenario from you Zelda fanatics.


Megatron wins.

You have a spelling error. You're also not making any sense.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
You have a spelling error. You're also not making any sense. Who cares, nerd. How am I not making any sense ?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
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Originally posted by quanchi112
Megafron wins. This is a great day. I have taken scenario from you Zelda fanatics.


Megatron wins.

Nah.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Nah. You're with me now. I will call you slave from now on.

*Thinks to self "Hmm... should I play along? mmm"*

Originally posted by Sacred 117
*Thinks to self "Hmm... should I play along? mmm"* Find your own slave.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You're with me now. I will call you slave from now on.

I guess we can try that, Master. You sure you'll be able to dom well enough for me, though?


And just so this post stays relevant to the thread, does Megatron have any other feats? So far, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for firepower, but if that cliff bust is all he's got it's not actually enough to really put Ganondorf down. Plus, I will still need confirmation on the Cybertron explosion feat.

Doubt he has any actual dom chops.

Not to mention a way to dismiss Optimus' fists doing a number on Megatron.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Find your own slave.

Dude! I'm trying to set a scene! I actually had a role in mind for myself. Do I really have to explain this to you?!



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Originally posted by The Scenario
I guess we can try that, Master. You sure you'll be able to dom well enough for me, though?


And just so this post stays relevant to the thread, does Megatron have any other feats? So far, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for firepower, but if that cliff bust is all he's got it's not actually enough to really put Ganondorf down. Plus, I will still need confirmation on the Cybertron explosion feat. Wait a minute. You're saying that blast won't hurt Ganondorf ?


Just when I think Zelda fans are taking their medication I get this kind of response.

Originally posted by Sacred 117
Dude! I'm trying to set a scene! I actually had a role in mind for myself. Do I really have to explain this to you?!



http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/rwby/images/thumb/2/22/RWBY12_008276.png/640px-RWBY12_008276.png You need to find your own yes man.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You need to find your own yes man.

*Sigh* mariofacepalm That wasn't the point. I was going to roleplay the infuriated ally vowing vengeance for his lost comrade. You would have at least had a moment of glorification (albeit imaginary), and I would've had fun with it. Way to f**king ruin it!

Originally posted by Sacred 117
*Sigh* mariofacepalm That wasn't the point. I was going to roleplay the infuriated ally vowing vengeance for his lost comrade. You would have at least had a moment of glorification (albeit imaginary), and I would've had fun with it. Way to f**king ruin it! He's going rogue on me anyways. He has even failed me as a slave.


Cues Transformers music as Megatron blasts Ganondorf's body apart.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Wait a minute. You're saying that blast won't hurt Ganondorf ?


Just when I think Zelda fans are taking their medication I get this kind of response.

Come on, Master, you know exactly why I'm saying that. Midna's attack did no damage to Ganondorf, and it destroyed a castle. Megatron's blast is of a similar level of power to Midna's attack, is it not?

Originally posted by quanchi112
He's going rogue on me anyways. He has even failed me as a slave.


Cues Transformers music as Megatron blasts Ganondorf's body apart.

Fail. When you say "*Cues music*", you have to actually do that. Shall I lead by example?

Originally posted by The Scenario
Come on, Master, you know exactly why I'm saying that. Midna's attack did no damage to Ganondorf, and it destroyed a castle. Megatron's blast is of a similar level of power to Midna's attack, is it not? Chain reaction unseen destroyed the castle. We see swords carve into his soft flesh, Slavedorf.

Much more powerful since it destroyed it with a single attack all on screen.

Originally posted by Sacred 117
Fail. When you say "*Cues music*", you have to actually do that. Shall I lead by example? As the king I make the rules and I defy the rules whenever I want. Get in line, conformist.

Chain reaction? lol. Blatant lies. You've already fallen back on lying about Zelda instead of proving anything about the side you're backing.

Anyway, while we're roleplaying...

I put on my robe and wizard hat.

Originally posted by quanchi112
As the king I make the rules and I defy the rules whenever I want. Get in line, conformist.

It's not so much a "rule" as it is a "guideline of epic", but settle for mediocrity if you wish.

I bow to no man!



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Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Chain reaction? lol. Blatant lies. You've already fallen back on lying about Zelda instead of proving anything about the side you're backing.

Anyway, while we're roleplaying...

I put on my robe and wizard hat. Chain reaction, whatever. We don't know so all we have our theories.

Megatron did so on screen. More weight.


Slavedorf dies.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Chain reaction unseen destroyed the castle. We see swords carve into his soft flesh, Slavedorf.

But Master, if it's unseen, how do you know it was a chain reaction? Don't you need to prove something like that? Seems like the onus is on you, Master.

Oh, and the Master Sword is weakness exploitation. You wouldn't try to claim that's Ganondorf's normal durability, would you?




Didn't we also see Midna shatter a castle sized barrier all on screen? Yes, I seem to recall that definitely happening, Master. Do you need help remembering?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Anyway, while we're roleplaying...

I put on my robe and wizard hat.

Let me get my sniper scythe.



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Originally posted by Sacred 117
It's not so much a "rule" as it is a "guideline of epic", but settle for mediocrity if you wish.

I bow to no man!



http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/101/1/f/rwby__6__by_spartanassassin-d61docy.jpg Then you shall be cast out.

Originally posted by The Scenario
But Master, if it's unseen, how do you know it was a chain reaction? Don't you need to prove something like that? Seems like the onus is on you, Master.

Oh, and the Master Sword is weakness exploitation. You wouldn't try to claim that's Ganondorf's normal durability, would you?




Didn't we also see Midna shatter a castle sized barrier all on screen? Yes, I seem to recall that definitely happening, Master. Do you need help remembering? We all have our theories, slave. The other sword was not. Master sword cut him just fine. Sword isn't that powerful on the game.


That isn't as impressive as Megatron since it's an unquantifiable magical feat. What did the barrier tank prior to ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Chain reaction, whatever. We don't know so all we have our theories.

Megatron did so on screen. More weight.


Slavedorf dies.
I cast level 5 eroticism. You become a sexy woman.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We all have our theories, slave. The other sword was not. Master sword cut him just fine. Sword isn't that powerful on the game.

Isn't the onus on you to prove your theory, then? Master, you should know by now that the other sword hit Ganondorf before he had the Triforce of Power. It's still weakness exploitation; does wood have to be powerful to kill vampires?



What did the cliff tank prior to? You'll have to do better than this, Master.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I cast level 5 eroticism. You become a sexy woman. This has to be intended for my slave, Scensy party.

http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p757/Scenario388/endearingsmile_zps29adf13a.gif

Originally posted by quanchi112
This has to be intended for my slave, Scensy party.
I meditate to regain my mana, before casting Lvl. 8 Cock of the Infinite.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Isn't the onus on you to prove your theory, then? Master, you should know by now that the other sword hit Ganondorf before he had the Triforce of Power. It's still weakness exploitation; does wood have to be powerful to kill vampires?



What did the cliff tank prior to? You'll have to do better than this, Master. The Triforce of power never increased his durability just his overall power and abilities.


Entirely different. Swords can cut through the flesh. Twice.


It supported massive weight. We can guesstimate the weight unlike the magical barrier. Come on, slave. Think, slaveypooh.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I meditate to regain my mana, before casting Lvl. 8 Cock of the Infinite. Scensy is ready. Just don't leave any marks or a report will be submitted on kmc.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Scensy is ready. Just don't leave any marks or a report will be submitted on kmc. I spend my mana reserves to cast Mighty F*ck of the Beyondness.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then you shall be cast out.

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Go ahead and try!



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Originally posted by quanchi112
The Triforce of power never increased his durability just his overall power and abilities.

But he tanked a castle busting attack, when before he got it a sword could cut him. That proves his durability improved, doesn't it, Master?



Sure they can cut flesh. Just not Ganondorf's, unless they're using weakness exploitation.



I must think, and I have, Master. If anything, the weight it supports is the reason it collapsed when hit lightly, much like a chain reaction. Whereas the barrier was larger than a castle, meaning an area larger than a castle was destroyed. I did it, Master, I thought really hard for you. Do you understand?

This is relevant to the derailment of this thread.

WIDhRU1iyu4

So who is this retarded looking character Sacred is spamming gif's of?

Originally posted by Tzeentch
So who is this retarded looking character Sacred is spamming gif's of? So tsun tsun.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
So who is this retarded looking character Sacred is spamming gif's of?

You were alright until now. Go eat a bag of dicks while you think about what you did wrong!

Why is this Sacred guy such an idiot?

Eate mah bawlz, NemeTroll. estahuh

Originally posted by Sacred 117
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Go ahead and try!



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http://24.media.tumblr.com/cf6a6da024bf9e3419373bbc7a6a451b/tumblr_mk4h8dQWek1qg1v6ho2_250.gif You are weird.

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Originally posted by The Scenario
But he tanked a castle busting attack, when before he got it a sword could cut him. That proves his durability improved, doesn't it, Master?



Sure they can cut flesh. Just not Ganondorf's, unless they're using weakness exploitation.



I must think, and I have, Master. If anything, the weight it supports is the reason it collapsed when hit lightly, much like a chain reaction. Whereas the barrier was larger than a castle, meaning an area larger than a castle was destroyed. I did it, Master, I thought really hard for you. Do you understand? No, since we don't see what caused the castle to go down.


What has Dorfs flesh resisted ? Both swords cut it and there is no evidence the top made his skin more durable.

Magic doesn't work like that. We breached it and it was gone. In reality fragments would fall everywhere. All you needed to do was breach it.

Megatrons size and firepower make this an easy victory over someone who can't beat a child who had a sword for a few weeks.

Sacred what show is that. The one that you keep posting pics about it seems interesting.

Originally posted by Sacred 117
http://blog-imgs-57.fc2.com/y/a/m/yamatokaanimetoka/20131119233955dd2.png Oddball.

haermm

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, since we don't see what caused the castle to go down.


We see enough, Master. Midna attacked on screen before the castle exploded, what more could you want? I have to do anything in my power to give you what you want.



A castle buster, don't you remember? Master, are you ill? Your memory seems to be worsening; I'm worried about you.



But there's no evidence for that, is there? Is was the size of a castle, and it was completely destroyed. That's no small feat.



Based on the clips provided, how does Megatron win? His most powerful gun isn't as strong as Midna's attack, and Ganondorf shrugged it off without damage. Do you perhaps have something better, Maser?

Originally posted by Danny Wayne
Sacred what show is that. The one that you keep posting pics about it seems interesting.

Its called RWBY. Theres only one season so far but it seriously kicks ass. You really should give it a try if your into that kind of stuff.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
haermm It doesn't.

Originally posted by The Scenario
We see enough, Master. Midna attacked on screen before the castle exploded, what more could you want? I have to do anything in my power to give you what you want.



A castle buster, don't you remember? Master, are you ill? Your memory seems to be worsening; I'm worried about you.



But there's no evidence for that, is there? Is was the size of a castle, and it was completely destroyed. That's no small feat.



Based on the clips provided, how does Megatron win? His most powerful gun isn't as strong as Midna's attack, and Ganondorf shrugged it off without damage. Do you perhaps have something better, Maser? Many seconds passed until the castle fell so we don't know. You can't prove it hence baseless claim.

We don't know if Dorf disappeared and was even hurt by it.


His gun is more powerful and will accrue damage. Even if Dorf tanked one attack does that prove he's immune to her power. It's like shaking off a punch and saying you are immune to punches.

If I shake off a punch from Hulk a punch from Captain America isn't a problem. In this scenario, Megatron is Cap.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
If I shake off a punch from Hulk a punch from Captain America isn't a problem.

^True story.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
If I shake off a punch from Hulk a punch from Captain America isn't a problem. In this scenario, Megatron is Cap. Cap has beaten the Hulk.


Megatron is also definitively more powerful with greater size than Dorf.

Implying size improves chances of winning in a thread with a Zelda character? Muh sides.

If Megatron is more powerful prove it with feats.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Implying size improves chances of winning in a thread with a Zelda character? Muh sides.

If Megatron is more powerful prove it with feats. I already provided the clip. Brought down a mountain immediately unlike the speculative castle bust.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I already provided the clip. Brought down a mountain immediately unlike the speculative castle bust.
Oh wow, he collapsed a cliff face, Ganondorf tanks castle busters, shatters islands, flash freezes cities, casually overcomes mountain busters, etc.

So that clip is all you have? It's not enough, Megatron can be badly damaged by Optimus' fists.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Oh wow, he collapsed a cliff face, Ganondorf tanks castle busters, shatters islands, flash freezes cities, casually overcomes mountain busters, etc.

So that clip is all you have? It's not enough, Megatron can be badly damaged by Optimus' fists. We don't know if Dorf can tank castle busters since there was a considerable amount of time that passed until we saw the attack and the castle went down.

This is just TP Dorf.


Prime is stronger than Dorf and has greater fighting skill. He also has sheer size and weight on Dorf. Link overpowered Dorf minus the boots. Link didn't need the weight to overpower Dprf which shows he needs it against meatier foes such as the Gorons but not against Ganondorf.

TP Dorf, aka Ganondorf, who is in possession of the ToP, and powerful enough to do all the things I just listed.

Prove Prime is stronger. Ganondorf is so strong that size irrelevant, he could through Optimus through a building, Megatron was hurt after being knocked off a ledge.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
TP Dorf, aka Ganondorf, who is in possession of the ToP, and powerful enough to do all the things I just listed.

Prove Prime is stronger. Ganondorf is so strong that size irrelevant, he could through Optimus through a building, Megatron was hurt after being knocked off a ledge. I just did. His size isn't irrelevant hence Link not needing the boots. He only needs them against much bigger foes. Acting like body weight doesn't matter is ignoring TP.


Due to Primes power. Ganondorf has been stabbed by two swords. These machines laugh at these weak swords. They aren't made of flesh.


Megatron destroys Dorf easier than 17 year old kids do.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I just did. His size isn't irrelevant hence Link not needing the boots. He only needs them against much bigger foes. Acting like body weight doesn't matter is ignoring TP.


Due to Primes power. Ganondorf has been stabbed by two swords. These machines laugh at these weak swords. They aren't made of flesh.


Megatron destroys Dorf easier than 17 year old kids do.
You did not prove that Optimus is stronger, you just claimed it. That's a lie. Guess I'm going to be drinking tonight.

Prime's power? What power? He's a big robot, Ganondorf is class 100+ who laughs off castle busting attacks.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You did not prove that Optimus is stronger, you just claimed it. That's a lie. Guess I'm going to be drinking tonight.

Prime's power? What power? He's a big robot, Ganondorf is class 100+ who laughs off castle busting attacks. His size and what not. Its kind of obvious. Dorf can't overpower 17 year old children.

Dorf isn't class 100. Not even close.

Optimus is not big enough for size alone to prove he is stronger, TP Link could crumple Megatron up like a ball of paper by the current feats on display.

Learn what class 100 means, Dorf is class 100.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Optimus is not big enough for size alone to prove he is stronger, TP Link could crumple Megatron up like a ball of paper by the current feats on display.

Learn what class 100 means, Dorf is class 100. Prime is far bigger than any Goron. No, TP Link couldn't. The guy was knocked out by weaklings. Needs boots to contend and even then he'd be tossed aside like a cur,


Dorf isn't. Not even close. Its laughable to make the claim. Downright delusional.

And yet you've not shown me any feat for him that makes him as strong as Gorons are. TP Link could crumple Optimus like a paper ball.

Dorf is strong enough to bench an air craft carrier, boyo.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
And yet you've not shown me any feat for him that makes him as strong as Gorons are. TP Link could crumple Optimus like a paper ball.

Dorf is strong enough to bench an air craft carrier, boyo. TP Link was ko'd by henchmen who couldn't even dent Prime. No, he isn't. Continue to make baseless claims. Again, Link overpowered him minus the boots. Link needs the boots to overpower the Gorons. Irrefutable proof size matters and Dorf is weak.

So you have no feats for Optimus that would prevent him from being crumpled into a ball by a man who can overpower class 100 super powered stone giants?

Megatron is made of glass compared to Ganondorf, his gun doesn't compare to Midna or the light arrows, and Ganondorf is much stronger than Optimus who beat Megatron up with his fists.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So you have no feats for Optimus that would prevent him from being crumpled into a ball by a man who can overpower class 100 super powered stone giants?

Megatron is made of glass compared to Ganondorf, his gun doesn't compare to Midna or the light arrows, and Ganondorf is much stronger than Optimus who beat Megatron up with his fists. You haven't proven he is class 100 either and he needs the boots to do so. Link isn't here it is Dorf. Link is Dorfs superior minus the boots.


No, he isn't considering swords cut it into him like butter.

Hyperbole is your only defense.

Link's arms > Fyrus > Optimus. Link only bested Ganondorf after four rounds of beating him up with a sword that can cut continents out of the Earth.

The only sword that harmed him with the ToP is the Master Sword, which is much more powerful than Megatron.

Megatron gets folded into a paper ball.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Link's arms > Fyrus > Optimus. Link only bested Ganondorf after four rounds of beating him up with a sword that can cut continents out of the Earth.

The only sword that harmed him with the ToP is the Master Sword, which is much more powerful than Megatron.

Megatron gets folded into a paper ball. You honestly aren't making any real points and are just off spouting baseless claim.s

That came out after TP was released and training makes it clear the Ms can be blocked making his skill vital.


No, it isn't. Laughable claim.


Megatron blows his fleshy body apart in one blast.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You honestly aren't making any real points and are just off spouting baseless claim.s

That came out after TP was released and training makes it clear the Ms can be blocked making his skill vital.


No, it isn't. Laughable claim.


Megatron blows his fleshy body apart in one blast.
Why don't you try supporting Megatron with feats to invalidate these claims, then? Because with just one video's worth of combat, it is known that Megatron can be damaged by Optimus' fists, and Optimus is not proven to be 1/1000th the strength of Ganondorf.

Training with OoT Link? Lol.

Oh,so you think Megatron is more powerful than Fi? Prove that, please.

Megatron's best blast was weaker than the light arrows or Midna.

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Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Why don't you try supporting Megatron with feats to invalidate these claims, then? Because with just one video's worth of combat, it is known that Megatron can be damaged by Optimus' fists, and Optimus is not proven to be 1/1000th the strength of Ganondorf.

Training with OoT Link? Lol.

Oh,so you think Megatron is more powerful than Fi? Prove that, please.

Megatron's best blast was weaker than the light arrows or Midna.

http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo141/ShinTwist_ScreamPaste/LinkDrink.jpg~original What strength feats does Dorf have ? Link overpowered him and weighs 1/100 of Megatron.

I am not speaking of Fi I am speaking of Dorf and Link.


What feats do the light arrows have ? Can they bust mountains or even cause Dorf to bleed ? Seem awfully weak to me.

Strengt feat for Optimus, Meg's equal.

pQcOD4Yzep8 At 05:33, Op picks up and throws an Oil Tanker Ship while treading water...

That said, this is STILL not enough to topple benching a castle.... Plus, Ganon has access to powerful magics, which no transformers short of those specifically trained in mysticism or godly empowered have any particular defence against...

Oh yeah, just before I forget, there was also this:

_8rIp1fVV4g 20 mins onwards, it shows Megatron surviving an explosion at ground zero capable of moving Cybertron out of Earth's orbit. Not a bad Durability feat.

Heh, I knew Quan was too prideful to give kudos to a guy who proves his sides case better than he does...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Heh, I knew Quan was too prideful to give kudos to a guy who proves his sides case better than he does... I, on the other hand, am glad someone finally posted this shit.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I, on the other hand, am glad someone finally posted this shit.

Yes, I noticed toward the start of the thread you had asked repeatedly for that particular clip, and lo and behold, Quan couldn't deliver or hell, even aknowlege the request.

So, after seeing these, what is your opinion Scream?

Double post, sorry... damn internet.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Yes, I noticed toward the start of the thread you had asked repeatedly for that particular clip, and lo and behold, Quan couldn't deliver or hell, even aknowlege the request.

So, after seeing these, what is your opinion Scream? I'm not actually sure. Optimus is plainly much stronger than I originally thought, I'm not sure what to make of the explosion, though, it seems like a bit of an outlier. shrug Still, it seems like Megatron is not in fact being crumpled up like any sort of paper ball. Ganondorf would need to work hard to take out someone durable enough to survive an explosion that moves a small moon with physical damage, but he may still have the tools.

How do transformers react to lightning/extreme temperatures?

That said, Ganondorf has other means of dealing with enemies. How's Megatron's resistance to exotic powers like polymorphing/soul manip? Do sparks count as souls? I'm not nearly as brushed up on Transformers as I should be considering my appreciation of some of Hasbro's material. coughsig/avicough.

Annnnd, Megatron still lacks a way to deal with Ganondorf's own durability let alone his immortality. So, that's my current stance on things.

Luna or Celestia would rapestomp Megs though. Hue.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I'm not actually sure. Optimus is plainly much stronger than I originally thought, I'm not sure what to make of the explosion, though, it seems like a bit of an outlier. shrug Still, it seems like Megatron is not in fact being crumpled up like any sort of paper ball. Ganondorf would need to work hard to take out someone durable enough to survive an explosion that moves a small moon with physical damage, but he may still have the tools.

Well, Megs is as versatile as much as he is durable, but as I said, Magic is an out of context problem for Megs, infact, high end magic users can figuratively f**k over Grimlock like what happened in season 3 episode "Madman's Paradise". And even Merlin curbed 5 Decepticons in "A Decepticon in King Arthur's Court".

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
How do transformers react to lightning/extreme temperatures?

The first clip actually demonstrates high end lightning damage and control by the Insecticon Shrapnel. As for high intensity heat, well it is a bit more of a mystery, as several times the Dinobots flame weapons work fairly well in melting down things like Tanks, but things like an Oil Rig fire didn't do much at all in MTMTE2

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
That said, Ganondorf has other means of dealing with enemies. How's Megatron's resistance to exotic powers like polymorphing/soul manip? Do sparks count as souls? I'm not nearly as brushed up on Transformers as I should be considering my appreciation of some of Hasbro's material. coughsig/avicough.

The Spark is the equivelant of a Cybertronian soul, but it works very differently from one. For one, it is actually substantiable and observable. Polymorphing I am less sure about.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Annnnd, Megatron still lacks a way to deal with Ganondorf's own durability let alone his immortality. So, that's my current stance on things.

The Fusion Cannon when black hole powered is pretty over the top, but that's from the comic and toybox descriptions mostly. Outside of that, you won't get Megs beyond mountain busting at the VERY highest.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Luna or Celestia would rapestomp Megs though. Hue.

I believe you.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Heh, I knew Quan was too prideful to give kudos to a guy who proves his sides case better than he does... Quit riding my coattails.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Quit riding my coattails.

Quick question, how am I riding your cattails, when I am the one with the evidence? Are you that much of an egomaniac that you can't give props? What are you, 3?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Quick question, how am I riding your cattails, when I am the one with the evidence? Are you that much of an egomaniac that you can't give props? What are you, 3? I posted one clip which more than sufficiently proved Megatron wins. You realized I already won and attached yourself to my winning sails.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I posted one clip which more than sufficiently proved Megatron wins. You realized I already won and attached yourself to my winning sails.

Incorrect, your blathering only demonstrates your total lack of understanding reguarding Dorf's durability and capabilities, plus you neglected to even mention the Transformers general lack of undertstanding of Magic and particular vulnerabilities to it. In Gen 1, both instances of direct exposure to magic have completely screwed over Cybertronians. You however completely lack the understanding of any research, as is your usual MO, and decided to completely foam at the mouth like a retard reject.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Incorrect, your blathering only demonstrates your total lack of understanding reguarding Dorf's durability and capabilities, plus you neglected to even mention the Transformers general lack of undertstanding of Magic and particular vulnerabilities to it. In Gen 1, both instances of direct exposure to magic have completely screwed over Cybertronians. You however completely lack the understanding of any research, as is your usual MO, and decided to completely foam at the mouth like a retard reject. At no point does Dorf ever resist a blade in the game which is considerably weaker than Megatrons cannon. The master sword can be blocked and parried for crying out loud.

All magic is different. Cite the episode where anyone uses an ability like Dorf uses in combat. I mean wtf. Megatron wins with a single blast.

Originally posted by quanchi112
At no point does Dorf ever resist a blade in the game which is considerably weaker than Megatrons cannon. The master sword can be blocked and parried for crying out loud.

That does nothing to stop it from being magical, not specifically designed to mitigate the misuse of the Triforce. It is tailor made to fight Ganondorf, anyone with an inkling of knowlege of LOZ lore knows these facts.

Originally posted by quanchi112
All magic is different. Cite the episode where anyone uses an ability like Dorf uses in combat. I mean wtf. Megatron wins with a single blast.

Except that in both instances when magic is used, the TFs got screwed. Megatron is no more accustomed to magical attacks than Starscream is. And definitely no more durable than Grimlock or Magnus.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
That does nothing to stop it from being magical, not specifically designed to mitigate the misuse of the Triforce. It is tailor made to fight Ganondorf, anyone with an inkling of knowlege of LOZ lore knows these facts.



Except that in both instances when magic is used, the TFs got screwed. Megatron is no more accustomed to magical attacks than Starscream is. And definitely no more durable than Grimlock or Magnus. The same blade can be parried by any blade. Dorf was defeated prior to the master sword being introduced. Dorf was chained, abused, and defeated by the sages twice in battle.

Not all magic is created equal nor do you have a point. Megatron kills him. He blasts him into oblivion. What magical attack that Dorf possesses wins this for him ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
The same blade can be parried by any blade. Dorf was defeated prior to the master sword being introduced. Dorf was chained, abused, and defeated by the sages twice in battle.

TP only, as per your own twisted rules. And so what? That does not mean that the blade is some mundane peice of metal either. Your point is null and void. You can't claim a plot device weapon is the same as a mundane sword based on the fact that it can be parried by another blade and then ignore it's actual purpose like a clown.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not all magic is created equal nor do you have a point. Megatron kills him. He blasts him into oblivion. What magical attack that Dorf possesses wins this for him ?

Are you ever going to actually prove this? Because hr one weapon proven to actually do anything to him in any meaningful way was designed to do so via plot. Nothing mundane has actually harmed him. It has always been highly magically enchanted, or plot driven.

Midna hit Ganon with a magic spear and achieved nothing.

The best destructive feat for Meg's gun so far is collapsing a cliff face, far beneath Midna, and Megs lacks the magic necessary to overcome Ganon's built in immortality.

I'm not sure what grounds Quan believes Megatron wins on.

Megatron doesn't use a sword, so that point is irrelevant. The last time Ganondorf was hit by a blast it destroyed a castle and he was unharmed.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
TP only, as per your own twisted rules. And so what? That does not mean that the blade is some mundane peice of metal either. Your point is null and void. You can't claim a plot device weapon is the same as a mundane sword based on the fact that it can be parried by another blade and then ignore it's actual purpose like a clown.



Are you ever going to actually prove this? Because hr one weapon proven to actually do anything to him in any meaningful way was designed to do so via plot. Nothing mundane has actually harmed him. It has always been highly magically enchanted, or plot driven. Both blades injured him. Both cut right into his skin. Ms prevented him from resisting the effects whereas the first blade still had a glaring wound ripe for exploitation.

He has never faced off against anything as powerful as Megatron's canon. He can't even heal from year old wounds and has a hole in his body because of it.

Megatron decimates him.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Midna hit Ganon with a magic spear and achieved nothing.

The best destructive feat for Meg's gun so far is collapsing a cliff face, far beneath Midna, and Megs lacks the magic necessary to overcome Ganon's built in immortality.

I'm not sure what grounds Quan believes Megatron wins on. We don't know if it did nothing or not. That feat was immediate destruction not some speculative ten second chain reaction type feat.


The clip I posted.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Megatron doesn't use a sword, so that point is irrelevant. The last time Ganondorf was hit by a blast it destroyed a castle and he was unharmed. You are right he used a canon with a far more impressive feat than any sword which has cut into him in the game.


Speculative nonsense and chain reaction if anything.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Both blades injured him. Both cut right into his skin. Ms prevented him from resisting the effects whereas the first blade still had a glaring wound ripe for exploitation.

So, a wound from before TOP. Right. Does he have the TOP here or not?

Originally posted by quanchi112
He has never faced off against anything as powerful as Megatron's canon. He can't even heal from year old wounds and has a hole in his body because of it.

Not a hole, you blithering moron.

And Mdna's spear caused more destruction than the Fusion Canon ever did. It would take Amps, or Galvatron's near planet busting levels to match or exceed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Megatron decimates him.

Speculation and subjective opinion.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Cmaster has always bailed you out. You're mentally weak and rely on others to debate for you.

Name & quote 1 time this has occurred. CM hasn't posted in nearly 2 years here on KMC.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, they did cut him in a meaningful fashion since the wound never completely healed. It was stated in the game while he was in beast form that his wound was still a weakness. You are ignorant.

Addressed above

Originally posted by quanchi112
The clip I posted. It isn't magical energy which Dorf seems more resistant to than magical energy.

Double edged sword, Megs has no means od defending against magical attacks, & Dorf has shown more general energy resistance than megs has short of the Orbit breaker blast.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Master sword didn't allow him to resist but both swords really hurt him. He never fully recovered from the initial impaling as stated in the game.

before TOP, as previously stated. It's not a vulnerability Megs can exploit openly either, unless h e plans to melee with someone no bigger than his ankles.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
So, a wound from before TOP. Right. Does he have the TOP here or not?



Not a hole, you blithering moron.

And Mdna's spear caused more destruction than the Fusion Canon ever did. It would take Amps, or Galvatron's near planet busting levels to match or exceed.



Speculation and subjective opinion.



Name & quote 1 time this has occurred. CM hasn't posted in nearly 2 years here on KMC.



Addressed above



Double edged sword, Megs has no means od defending against magical attacks, & Dorf has shown more general energy resistance than megs has short of the Orbit breaker blast.



before TOP, as previously stated. It's not a vulnerability Megs can exploit openly either, unless h e plans to melee with someone no bigger than his ankles. Completely untrue. Fusion canon has a undeniable, immediate collateral damage feat unlike the chain reaction speculative one by Midna. The top can't heal wounds only resist them to a point. He was 1-2 in resisting sword strikes but at no point did his skin laugh one off.

What magical attacks will win this ? Answer the question. Pm Cmaster or ask your parents. Actually debate for a change.


Megatron puts a huge hold in his body he cannot recover from.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Completely untrue. Fusion canon has a undeniable, immediate collateral damage feat unlike the chain reaction speculative one by Midna. The top can't heal wounds only resist them to a point. He was 1-2 in resisting sword strikes but at no point did his skin laugh one off.

You still have not gotten the feat. The Observation post feat for the Fusion canon is every bit as much a chain reaction as Midna's spear going by your wanktastic logic.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What magical attacks will win this ? Answer the question. Pm Cmaster or ask your parents. Actually debate for a change.

I could use your excuse and say "Go play the game and find out."

But I am a much bigger person than you. Dorf has multiple energy manipulation feats, including large scale energy and lightning manipulation. Polymorph. Twilight manip, Dimensional BFR, and other things including flight and teleportation.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Megatron puts a huge hold in his body he cannot recover from.

He wouldn't even be able to grab the guy before the teleport shifts him

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
You still have not gotten the feat. The Observation post feat for the Fusion canon is every bit as much a chain reaction as Midna's spear going by your wanktastic logic.



I could use your excuse and say "Go play the game and find out."

But I am a much bigger person than you. Dorf has multiple energy manipulation feats, including large scale energy and lightning manipulation. Polymorph. Twilight manip, Dimensional BFR, and other things including flight and teleportation.



He wouldn't even be able to grab the guy before the teleport shifts him It was immediate. Midna's happened off screen over 7 seconds later. That isn't immediate.

Again you didn't say anything that proves he can defeat Megatron with in combat.

Why not ? Ganondorf couldn't even grab Link and Zelda when they magically warped away. Dorf was reduced to a sword fight in which he failed against someone with a few weeks experience in a fair sword fight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It was immediate. Midna's happened off screen over 7 seconds later. That isn't immediate.

Do you even know what a chain reaction is, Quan?

Basic physics lesson for you. If the explosion from Megatron's fusion cannon did not consume the entire cliff face and disintegrate it, then it's crumbling is a direct chain reaction caused by the blast. If that same shot struck bare ground, then all you'd get is a small crater. not a mountainsides worth of scorched earth.

The reason the castle collapse took longer was because the area of destruction caused by the spear is far larger.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again you didn't say anything that proves he can defeat Megatron with in combat.

Megatron survives BFRs? Since when?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Why not ? Ganondorf couldn't even grab Link and Zelda when they magically warped away. Dorf was reduced to a sword fight in which he failed against someone with a few weeks experience in a fair sword fight.

Because Zelda's teleport is not linked to Dorf's in any way? A person teleporting is not equivelant to being able to intercept someone elses teleport.

Link, who was equipped with the tool specifically tailored to defeating Dorf outright, not to mention had the backing of the Sages, the Gods, and the majority of the completed Triforce. That's not something you just brush off. I'll admit, it is jury rigged, but none the less, Link is no ordinary foe.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Do you even know what a chain reaction is, Quan?

Basic physics lesson for you. If the explosion from Megatron's fusion cannon did not consume the entire cliff face and disintegrate it, then it's crumbling is a direct chain reaction caused by the blast. If that same shot struck bare ground, then all you'd get is a small crater. not a mountainsides worth of scorched earth.

The reason the castle collapse took longer was because the area of destruction caused by the spear is far larger.



Megatron survives BFRs? Since when?



Because Zelda's teleport is not linked to Dorf's in any way? A person teleporting is not equivelant to being able to intercept someone elses teleport.

Link, who was equipped with the tool specifically tailored to defeating Dorf outright, not to mention had the backing of the Sages, the Gods, and the majority of the completed Triforce. That's not something you just brush off. I'll admit, it is jury rigged, but none the less, Link is no ordinary foe. The point is we don't know if it was just her attack or if it hit a key pivotal structure which caused the entire castle to fall. Dorf never bfr'd anyone. Dorf has been bfr'd though in combat.

Link defeated him through skill. He overpowered him and lodged the sword into him. Had Dorf have stabbed Link he would have won but he was not skilled enough to do so. The top makes Dorf a very sloppy fighter. He lost straight up to Link.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is we don't know if it was just her attack or if it hit a key pivotal structure which caused the entire castle to fall. Dorf never bfr'd anyone. Dorf has been bfr'd though in combat.

No Quan. We see the attack strike Dorf, then we see the castle collapse, and we see nothing the attack struck anything else but Dorf, so the fact that you have to reach so far into speculative territory means you have not the evidence to suggest it is anything else bar what was shown.

You don't seem to know what a BFR is...

Originally posted by quanchi112
Link defeated him through skill. He overpowered him and lodged the sword into him. Had Dorf have stabbed Link he would have won but he was not skilled enough to do so. The top makes Dorf a very sloppy fighter. He lost straight up to Link.

Are you saying Link is not skilled? Because despite all the advantages I listed before, you are still claiming Link is a normal foe, when he clearly is beyond the pale.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
No Quan. We see the attack strike Dorf, then we see the castle collapse, and we see nothing the attack struck anything else but Dorf, so the fact that you have to reach so far into speculative territory means you have not the evidence to suggest it is anything else bar what was shown.

You don't seem to know what a BFR is...



Are you saying Link is not skilled? Because despite all the advantages I listed before, you are still claiming Link is a normal foe, when he clearly is beyond the pale. Too much time passes so we don't know what else occurred. The castle doesn't go down immediately so it is speculative at best.


Banished from realm/region whatever which happened when the Sages crushed him again.

Link had a few weeks experience and is pathetic by comparison to someone on Kratos' level. I guess you are easily impressed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Too much time passes so we don't know what else occurred. The castle doesn't go down immediately so it is speculative at best.

Nothing else is evidenced, so unless you are adding in entirely new speculatives to try to compensate, then there is nothing else it could be. Can you prove anything else caused it? As I said, the time dilation could be because the castle area was so big.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Banished from realm/region whatever which happened when the Sages crushed him again.

And? Ganon has done this with the twilight effect along with the TOP numerous times in the series. Including TP. In an absolute sense, since OOT, he has done this not only with Twilight, but also with Time Manip as well.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Link had a few weeks experience and is pathetic by comparison to someone on Kratos' level. I guess you are easily impressed.

Ok, this is getting really weird now. Firstly, what the f**k does Kratos have to do with ANY of this at all?

Second, Link may well develop his swordplay very quickly compared to the average mortal.

Third, even if we don't take #2 into account, you can't ignore his amps, which are part of his usual power set and are innate.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Nothing else is evidenced, so unless you are adding in entirely new speculatives to try to compensate, then there is nothing else it could be. Can you prove anything else caused it? As I said, the time dilation could be because the castle area was so big.



And? Ganon has done this with the twilight effect along with the TOP numerous times in the series. Including TP. In an absolute sense, since OOT, he has done this not only with Twilight, but also with Time Manip as well.



Ok, this is getting really weird now. Firstly, what the f**k does Kratos have to do with ANY of this at all?

Second, Link may well develop his swordplay very quickly compared to the average mortal.

Third, even if we don't take #2 into account, you can't ignore his amps, which are part of his usual power set and are innate. The burden is on you since it is your claim. Its speculation at best. Not solid evidence like my Megatron feat.


Again, Dorf never once does in combat. You are trolling. In combat he fires weak lightning blasts, uses a weak sword, and rides a silly horse. I'd love to see him morph into beast form up against Megatron.

Link didn't of anything impressive and neither did Dorf. Two idiots having a lame sword fight isn't proof of his skill.

I am not ignoring his amps. He never healed from the wound despite his amp which is a huge glaring weakness nor did his skill level resemble anything even close to being respectable.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The burden is on you since it is your claim. Its speculation at best. Not solid evidence like my Megatron feat.

Your the one adding the speculation to an established scene, not I. The scene itself is not open to interpretation, but you are simply grasping for straws.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again, Dorf never once does in combat. You are trolling. In combat he fires weak lightning blasts, uses a weak sword, and rides a silly horse. I'd love to see him morph into beast form up against Megatron.

Prove my attempts to debate are trolling.

Again, Megatron has no defence. and Dorf did this to entire armies and the dimension they were in. Unlike Link who has the TOC's protection, and the Master Sword reinforcing it.

You've never played a LOZ Game, like at all, if all you can do is dribble pure lies. You never even addressed any of the other abilities I listed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Link didn't of anything impressive and neither did Dorf. Two idiots having a lame sword fight isn't proof of his skill.

If both are unskilled idiots despite their feats, then how can you possibly quantify what their skill level actually is? What you just stated is a complete oxymoron.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am not ignoring his amps. He never healed from the wound despite his amp which is a huge glaring weakness nor did his skill level resemble anything even close to being respectable.

The amps I was referring to were Link's... Do try to follow a chain of thought please...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Your the one adding the speculation to an established scene, not I. The scene itself is not open to interpretation, but you are simply grasping for straws.



Prove my attempts to debate are trolling.

Again, Megatron has no defence. and Dorf did this to entire armies and the dimension they were in. Unlike Link who has the TOC's protection, and the Master Sword reinforcing it.

You've never played a LOZ Game, like at all, if all you can do is dribble pure lies. You never even addressed any of the other abilities I listed.



If both are unskilled idiots despite their feats, then how can you possibly quantify what their skill level actually is? What you just stated is a complete oxymoron.



The amps I was referring to were Link's... Do try to follow a chain of thought please... Since a decent amount of time passed and we did not see everything it is speculative at best. Your burden but you concede so I will move on.

What has Dorf done in combat that Megatron cannot account for ? Lightning blasts which can't even really hurt a small nerd such as Link please. What sword feats does Dorf have to prove his sword can cut mighty Megatron ?

He never did half the things you claimed while in combat. Burden is on you.

What feats prove they are skilled ? The reason I say this is because neither have skilled feats. Prove it.

Link did not have an amp. He has skill sufficient enough to impale Dorf which he could not recover from.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Since a decent amount of time passed and we did not see everything it is speculative at best. Your burden but you concede so I will move on.

Incorrect. This is the way it works.

Claim 1 by Scream and Scenario: Minda's spear knocked down the castle when it struck Dorf. Scene shows the spear striking Dorf, then the castle collapses. Thus proving Dorf's durability. Claim 1 meets the burden of proof.

Claim 2, by yourself: Something could have happened in the few seconds between the spear impact and the castle collapsing. Speculative and no evidence supplied by yourself to prove anything else happened to cause the castle collapse. Claim unsupported and disgarded until legitimate evidence is supplied.

The onus is not on our side to prove a negative. We do not have to prove anything else did not happen, you have to prove something else did happen.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What has Dorf done in combat that Megatron cannot account for ? Lightning blasts which can't even really hurt a small nerd such as Link please. What sword feats does Dorf have to prove his sword can cut mighty Megatron ?

Who says Dorf has to use a sword? His magics are sufficient. and lightning has thrown back Cybertronians as powerful as Optimus Prime. Not to mention lightning is far from the only attack method Dorf as used.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He never did half the things you claimed while in combat. Burden is on you.

Are you saying he cannot do them? You sure do like to color debates to suit yourself. This is far from the only time you've restricted power sets for one side and not the other.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What feats prove they are skilled ? The reason I say this is because neither have skilled feats. Prove it.

Define what you consider a skill feat first.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Link did not have an amp. He has skill sufficient enough to impale Dorf which he could not recover from.

Link had several amps, and I've already listed them.

http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p757/Scenario388/Zelda/th_Ganondorfcastletank1_zps584821d5.gif

Chain reactions throw debris up now?

Really, this castle did not collapse. It exploded.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Well ?

I am Megatron!!!

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Incorrect. This is the way it works.

Claim 1 by Scream and Scenario: Minda's spear knocked down the castle when it struck Dorf. Scene shows the spear striking Dorf, then the castle collapses. Thus proving Dorf's durability. Claim 1 meets the burden of proof.

Claim 2, by yourself: Something could have happened in the few seconds between the spear impact and the castle collapsing. Speculative and no evidence supplied by yourself to prove anything else happened to cause the castle collapse. Claim unsupported and disgarded until legitimate evidence is supplied.

The onus is not on our side to prove a negative. We do not have to prove anything else did not happen, you have to prove something else did happen.



Who says Dorf has to use a sword? His magics are sufficient. and lightning has thrown back Cybertronians as powerful as Optimus Prime. Not to mention lightning is far from the only attack method Dorf as used.



Are you saying he cannot do them? You sure do like to color debates to suit yourself. This is far from the only time you've restricted power sets for one side and not the other.



Define what you consider a skill feat first.



Link had several amps, and I've already listed them. Time had passed before it collapses. Undeniable. Speculation.


You never proved that it was brought it down. You just believe so but since the camera pans away and time passes it is anyone's guess.

So you agree nothing Dorf uses can hurt Megatron here.

We do this based on how these characters fight not based on powersets.


Some sort of extremely difficult sword feat or feats to establish a high skill level.

Link had no amps. He had gear. That is all.

Originally posted by The Scenario
http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p757/Scenario388/Zelda/th_Ganondorfcastletank1_zps584821d5.gif

Chain reactions throw debris up now?

Really, this castle did not collapse. It exploded. Really, this clip hurts your case more than anything. If it exploded all these seconds later you have proven the Midna attack was not the reason.

Well done.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Time had passed before it collapses. Undeniable. Speculation.
http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p757/Scenario388/Zelda/th_Ganondorfcastletank1_zps584821d5.gif

False. The above .gif shows the explosion happening instantly.



False. See again: the .gif proving you wrong.



False. Link had the Triforce of Courage as well.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Really, this clip hurts your case more than anything. If it exploded all these seconds later you have proven the Midna attack was not the reason.

Well done.

False. It explicitly proves that Midna's attack destroyed the castle, as it shares the color and effects of her previous attack with the spear.

Try again.

Changes nothing, Megatron wins

Originally posted by The Scenario
http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p757/Scenario388/Zelda/th_Ganondorfcastletank1_zps584821d5.gif

False. The above .gif shows the explosion happening instantly.



False. See again: the .gif proving you wrong.



False. Link had the Triforce of Courage as well. No, since time passed when he teleported there. It was not instantaneous.


So you believe he needs the Triforce of courage to amp his courage. Fine.

Originally posted by The Scenario
False. It explicitly proves that Midna's attack destroyed the castle, as it shares the color and effects of her previous attack with the spear.

Try again. No, it doesn't you actually proved it wasn't the attack since you believe it is immediate after seconds passed.

Originally posted by Supra
Changes nothing, Megatron wins

I disagree. Why do you think Megatron wins?

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, since time passed when he teleported there. It was not instantaneous.

Who teleported there? Link and Zelda were transported long before the attack, and Ganondorf clearly appeared after it. Further, the explosion was indeed instantaneous.



That isn't what the Triforce of Courage does. Have you played Twilight Princess?

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it doesn't you actually proved it wasn't the attack since you believe it is immediate after seconds passed.

We plainly see that the explosion was quick, what are you talking about?

Originally posted by The Scenario
I disagree. Why do you think Megatron wins?



Who teleported there? Link and Zelda were transported long before the attack, and Ganondorf clearly appeared after it. Further, the explosion was indeed instantaneous.



That isn't what the Triforce of Courage does. Have you played Twilight Princess?



We plainly see that the explosion was quick, what are you talking about? Like a few seconds and we see his form had changed. Not instantaneous.


Yes, I have. When in the game is the Toc stated as amping his power.


All those seconds later when we next see Dorf proves you erased any idea it was immediately.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Like a few seconds and we see his form had changed. Not instantaneous.

What Ganondorf does after the explosion has no bearing on the speed of the explosion.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDx9VHGzOa0

Seriously, did you actually play Twilight Princess?



How does Ganondorf doing things after the attack mean anything? You're not making any sense. You desperate or something?

Originally posted by The Scenario
What Ganondorf does after the explosion has no bearing on the speed of the explosion.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDx9VHGzOa0

Seriously, did you actually play Twilight Princess?



How does Ganondorf doing things after the attack mean anything? You're not making any sense. You desperate or something? It takes time for him to transform so it is more evidence to my theory than your own.


If it is immediate then he wouldn't have had time to change into another form.


I should be asking you the same thing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It takes time for him to transform so it is more evidence to my theory than your own.


Again, if it was after the attack why does it matter?



After?



How about I ask why you're making things up?

Originally posted by The Scenario
Again, if it was after the attack why does it matter?



After?



How about I ask why you're making things up? If it happens right after we'd see the giant floating head or what not. We don't even know if the castle fell down on Dorf.


What have I made up ?

Ganondorf turns Megatron into a forest creature.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If it happens right after we'd see the giant floating head or what not. We don't even know if the castle fell down on Dorf.

We know it didn't fall down on Ganondorf because it exploded upwards. Have you played Twilight Princess?



Everything you've said about Twilight. Want to prove you're not lying? Get some evidence.

Originally posted by The Scenario
We know it didn't fall down on Ganondorf because it exploded upwards. Have you played Twilight Princess?



Everything you've said about Twilight. Want to prove you're not lying? Get some evidence. There is debris. It wasn't completely disintegrated. Yes, I have.


What have I said that is untrue ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
There is debris. It wasn't completely disintegrated. Yes, I have.

Duh. Ganondof tanked the explosion, we have established this.



What have you proven?

Originally posted by The Scenario
Duh. Ganondof tanked the explosion, we have established this.



What have you proven? Speculation as time had passed and he has portal abilities.


That he dies.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Speculation as time had passed and he has portal abilities.


You can't prove that.



When? Provide the post, please.