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In his travels, Link comes across Skyrim, where he learns of the legendary hero of Skyrim. He learns that this hero is the greatest warrior and mage in the world, and can kill opponents with just his voice. Link has the Master Sword, the Hyian Shield, the Gale Boomerang, every single type of arrow in any Zelda game, and magic armor.

The Dragonborn hears that an elf with exceptional skills entered his homeland. The Dragonborn is a High Elf, with LVL 100 stats for everything with every perk available. He knows every word of power possible to learn in the game. He is in fully improved set of Daedric Armor. He wields a fully improved Mace of Molag Bal and has mastered all the spells.

Takes place on the Throat of the World. Who wins and why?

Does DB even have distinguishable feats? Most RPGs like this don't have definitive portrayals, so it:s difficult to get a read on their true capabilities. mmm

Shouldn't this be in the Games Vs?

Dragonborn, easily.

Originally posted by Sacred 117
Does DB even have distinguishable feats? Most RPGs like this don't have definitive portrayals, so it:s difficult to get a read on their true capabilities. mmm

Level 100 stats in everything, with every perk available, is a pretty good indication of what the Dragonborn can do. Anybody who knows the effects of the shouts knows the extent of the Dragonborn's power. To be honest, I realized that this would be a massive stomp in the Dragonborn's favor just as the time ran out to delete the thread.

lol. If the Dragonborn wins I gaurantee you it's not because of in game stats and shouts. The Dragonborn as we play him in game would be a mook in Zelda.

I'm fairly certain there's some tie in to the lore somewhere that will make him way more powerful than he seemed in game, though.

The Dragonborn defeated a guy who apparently can literally eat the world (and has done so before).

That doesn't strike me as a combat feat.

Originally posted by jmoul
Level 100 stats in everything, with every perk available, is a pretty good indication of what the Dragonborn can do. Anybody who knows the effects of the shouts knows the extent of the Dragonborn's power. To be honest, I realized that this would be a massive stomp in the Dragonborn's favor just as the time ran out to delete the thread.

Stats are a poor argument in hypothetical battles such as this, and ultimately meaningless without a measurable feat to support them. I'm sure there are some though.

That said, I'm not yet convinced he wins this.

The Dragonborn is pretty weaksauce. At least he/she appears that way in the game.

A Dragonborn is capable of producing magical pulses by shouting in the dragon language. He/she is capable of creating a devastating storm with a shout, become invulnerable, breath fire/ice, freeze an opponent solid, launch an opponent back a few feet (Fus Ro Dah), summon spectral warriors, and even detect a life force, and summon his own dragon to fight for him, just to name a few.

Combat feats, while sneaking around, with max sneak, a Dragonborn will turn invisible, bow attacks can paralyze when drawn-back completely, his one-handed attacks can stagger opponents, or kill them through their shield. His armor absorbs damn near all damage, especially with the improved, enchanted armor which also improves damage dealt from other combat skills. With the Mace of Molag Bal, the Dragonborn deals damage, not only to Link's health, but he also drains Link's energy, and ensnares his soul to a soul gem.

Magic is another world of combat feats in itself: Restoration magic allows the Dragonborn to create areas where he/she gets healed and no enemies can enter. Destruction, the Dragonborn uses electricity, fire, and ice spells, which can affect an entire area, such as a blizzard or fire storm and he can create walls of fire, ice or lightning, which damage those who cross through the wall. His Alteration magic allows the Dragonborn to enhance strength of armor and cause paralysis. Conjuration allows him/her to summon beasts, spectral assassins, and elementals. Illusion magic allows the Dragonborn to make the enemy flee out of fear, or fight against an opponent they know they will lose against.

So these are the combat abilities of the Dragonborn, and this doesn't even cover half of what he can do. Not exactly "weaksauce"

Not exactly feats, either.

Most of those are perks and other gameplay abilities. Some certainly are usable, but there's no real way to tell how powerful they are as their damage and is gameplay based, or otherwise reliant on the game's mechanics.

Fi doesn't care about these, Link shoosts Odahviing.

What works v.s. mooks is entirely different v.s. what works on Link. Fi doesn't care about that mace, and he has to actually hit Link with it.


Fi smashes the barrier.

Fi smashes and dispels said obstacles, reflects projectiles.

Fi disregards such things.

The dragonborn can't conjure any legitimate threats to my recollection but I never finished 100 conjuration, as for illusion: Fear, on the holder of the Triforce of Courage? Also Fi says get off my rock.

At the end of the day, what we see in game is pretty meh, but again, I'm sure there's something ridiculous in the lore that will rustle my jimmies like redguards cutting atoms in half and causing nuclear explosions.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Fi doesn't care about these, Link shoosts Odahviing.

What works v.s. mooks is entirely different v.s. what works on Link. Fi doesn't care about that mace, and he has to actually hit Link with it.


Fi smashes the barrier.

Fi smashes and dispels said obstacles, reflects projectiles.

Fi disregards such things.

The dragonborn can't conjure any legitimate threats to my recollection but I never finished 100 conjuration, as for illusion: Fear, on the holder of the Triforce of Courage? Also Fi says get off my rock.

At the end of the day, what we see in game is pretty meh, but again, I'm sure there's something ridiculous in the lore that will rustle my jimmies like redguards cutting atoms in half and causing nuclear explosions.

With fire storm and blizzard, all the Dragonborn has to do is cast, as these are area of effect spells, and they have taken down an Elder Dragon and Blood Dragon at the same time on my best file on Skyrim (I realize this means nothing to this thread, as this is only on my own file, not a universal for Dragonborns in the vast world of Skyrim players).

I remember how in the Eragon vs. Link thread I mentioned how Eragon could bring lightening down on Link, to which I got a gif showing Link returning a bolt of lightening right back to Ganondorf. My question now is, would Link be able to do the same when 50 lightning bolts strike within 2 seconds of each other, all focused directly on him, or damn near him? Because with the Storm Call Shout, that is exactly what the Dragonborn can do to Link, followed closely by a blast of either a Unrelenting Force shout or an Ice Form Shout (freezes and prevents movement for a few seconds). My point here is that, while Fi is immensely powerful, the Dragonborn has far too many abilities and tricks in his repertoire for Fi to be able to counter every single one of them.

The Dragonborn would also have ranged spells to slow Link down, and drain Fi, because for all the power of Fi, it isn't limitless.

Lastly, the triforce is not even up for consideration in this thread, it's too damn powerful and I prefer to keep my threads as evenly matched as possible.

I like this question. It's not only direct, it's easily answerable, and it provokes impromptu math sessions!

Here's what we need to know to answer it:

1. How long does it take Link to deflect an attack.
2. Can this amount of time fit into 2 seconds?

So I'm going to get doing that once I reply to the rest of your post.

Shouting takes time, and some of these effects even take time to manifest, while the Dragonborn is doing these things Link is not just holding still, he's advancing, possibly shooting arrows, or chucking bombs, or if he's busy deflecting projectiles, sending them at the Dragonborn. He's honestly probably resilient enough to just walk through your standard freeze, in TP he walks through volcanic steam and such without so much as a care, and coating him in ice won't keep him still due to his massive physical strength.

To be honest, Link's not all that helpless at range, even without the magic arrows you gave him. I wouldn'ta done that, those things don't **** around, ice arrows froze a volcano, but meh, ranged combat is cool, what I wanna know is that second part.

Drain Fi? On what grounds? uhuh

Let's use a reasonable estimate of Ganon's combat speed.

1. Link's arrows move upwards of 6 805.8 m/s
2. Ganondorf gives no ****s about this shit and can casually deflect them point blank but let's assume a range of 5 meters. This means it takes him 0.00014693 of a second to put his blade in the path of said arrow, backhand it, or flip over it.

So, an action in combat for Ganondorf is about 0.00014693 of a second. Can he handle 50 actions over two seconds? In actuality he can handle... Jesus Christ.

13 611.9 actions in 2 seconds. mmm Ladies and Gentlement, Ganondorf and Link's low-end combat speed.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Let's use a reasonable estimate of Ganon's combat speed.

1. Link's arrows move upwards of 6 805.8 m/s
2. Ganondorf gives no ****s about this shit and can casually deflect them point blank but let's assume a range of 5 meters. This means it takes him 0.00014693 of a second to put his blade in the path of said arrow, backhand it, or flip over it.

So, an action in combat for Ganondorf is about 0.00014693 of a second. Can he handle 50 actions over two seconds? In actuality he can handle... Jesus Christ.

13 611.9 actions in 2 seconds. mmm Ladies and Gentlement, Ganondorf and Link's low-end combat speed.

Dovahkiin's Thu'um is a rival to Alduin's, whose Thu'um could reshape landmasses in the days of ye olde.

By draining Fi, I mean wear down Link's resistance to magical attacks, because it isn't limitless, despite Fi being as powerful as it is. I'm trying to be reasonable, since there really is no way for Link to protect himself from all of the damage from the Dovahkiin's attacks forever.

That combat speed is impressive, but I'm curious, where did you get those numbers from?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
lol. If the Dragonborn wins I gaurantee you it's not because of in game stats and shouts. The Dragonborn as we play him in game would be a mook in Zelda.

I'm fairly certain there's some tie in to the lore somewhere that will make him way more powerful than he seemed in game, though.

There is.

Miraak, the first Dragonborn, and another Dragon Priest, apparently ripped the island of Solstheim from the Skyrim mainland as a side effect of their fight. The Dragonborn is superior to them.
Hermaeus Mora has also stated when he is at half power, the Dragonborn is a peer to him.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
There is.

Miraak, the first Dragonborn, and another Dragon Priest, apparently ripped the island of Solstheim from the Skyrim mainland as a side effect of their fight. The Dragonborn is superior to them.
Hermaeus Mora has also stated when he is at half power, the Dragonborn is a peer to him.

For those who don't know who Hermaeus Mora is, he is a Daedric Lord, or a god-like being. Daedric Lords are, for all intensive purposes, omnipotent. So when Hermaeus Mora is at half of his power, the Dragonborn is nearly equal in power to him, which is no small statement.

Daedric Lords are not omnipotent.

Originally posted by jmoul
For those who don't know who Hermaeus Mora is, he is a Daedric Lord, or a god-like being. Daedric Lords are, for all intensive purposes, omnipotent. So when Hermaeus Mora is at half of his power, the Dragonborn is nearly equal in power to him, which is no small statement.

Wouldn't an omnipotent being at half power still be at full power if he's omnipotent?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
There is.

Miraak, the first Dragonborn, and another Dragon Priest, apparently ripped the island of Solstheim from the Skyrim mainland as a side effect of their fight. The Dragonborn is superior to them.
Hermaeus Mora has also stated when he is at half power, the Dragonborn is a peer to him. Figured there was some shit like this somewhere, TES games tend to do this.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
There is.

Miraak, the first Dragonborn, and another Dragon Priest, apparently ripped the island of Solstheim from the Skyrim mainland as a side effect of their fight. The Dragonborn is superior to them.
Hermaeus Mora has also stated when he is at half power, the Dragonborn is a peer to him. That was Clavicus Vile, not Mora.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Wouldn't an omnipotent being at half power still be at full power if he's omnipotent?

I said that they are omnipotent for all intensive purposes, at least that is how they are portrayed. I never said tha they were completely omnipotent.

Originally posted by jmoul
I said that they are omnipotent for all intensive purposes, at least that is how they are portrayed. I never said tha they were completely omnipotent.

You can't be kind of or half omnipotent. What's the difference between omnipotent and completely omnipotent?

Shut up Wei.

Thank you NemeBro, at least somebody understands what I'm saying.

No, but Wei is right, omnipotence is literally "all powerful" the Daedric princes are not only not omnipotent, but being omnipotent essentially means your power is infinite. Cut infinite in half and you just have a smaller infinite. (Yes, you can have smaller infinites, math is weird.)

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
You can't be kind of or half omnipotent. What's the difference between omnipotent and completely omnipotent?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No, but Wei is right, omnipotence is literally "all powerful" the Daedric princes are not only not omnipotent, but being omnipotent essentially means your power is infinite. Cut infinite in half and you just have a smaller infinite. (Yes, you can have smaller infinites, math is weird.)
Levels of infinity. Look it up.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Levels of infinity. Look it up. I'm already aware, my post indicated this pretty clearly.

You're missing the problem. An omnipotent being at half omnipotence is still omnipotent.

Also, the DPs are not omnipotent to begin with.

IE, this entire line of reasoning is captain of the SS moot.

Do you guys know what "all intensive purposes" means? It's saying that the item of discussion is almost, but not quite, to a point of description, so I is easier to just describe the item that way. So in this case, I am saying that Daedric Lords, which are described as god-like beings, are not omnipotent; however they are so close to omnipotence that it is easier to just say they are omnipotent for the purposes of the conversation/debate. Also, this debate isn't even about Daedric Lords, they're just being used as a reference for the Dragonborn's powers.

All intents and purposes, actually. This expression signifies that things are functionally identical. The Daedric Princes are not functionally omnipotent, the dragonborn is not functionally half omnipotent, omnipotence is so far removed from this discussion that for all intents and purposes the word is irrelevant here.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/for_all_intents_and_purposes

None of the Gods in TES are truly omnipotent, they're just ridiculously powerful.

Much like the Dovahkiin.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
None of the Gods in TES are truly omnipotent, they're just ridiculously powerful.

Much like the Dovahkiin.



Mehrunes Dagon was big enough and powerful enough to go Gojiira on the Imperial Capitol and Mournhold, IIRC. It took several godlike beings the latter time to stop him and one badass deity to take him out the first.

I'm done with this thread. Screampaste and I are in complete agreement on something and it sickens me. I'm leaving before I become a White Canadian.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
I'm done with this thread. Screampaste and I are in complete agreement on something and it sickens me. I'm leaving before I become a White Canadian. We used to get along well in VGVS, uhuh

Besides, being white isn't bad at all, in fact, I like being white. I get all these nifty privileges and no one expects me to know how to dance, and since I can't dance, this suits me just fine. As for being Canadian, ever had poutine? Not even lactose intolerance should keep a man from enjoying something so delicious.

Dairy products give me rumbling, explosive farts.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose


Mehrunes Dagon was big enough and powerful enough to go Gojiira on the Imperial Capitol and Mournhold, IIRC. It took several godlike beings the latter time to stop him and one badass deity to take him out the first.

What's really crazy is the guy who the Dovahkiin defeated (Alduin) supposedly created Dagon.

And Alduin could just as easily destroy Dagon again, since Alduin is the one who is destined to end the world.

Originally posted by jmoul
And Alduin could just as easily destroy Dagon again, since Alduin is the one who is destined to end the world. That whole destiny thing didn't work out so well.

If destiny is suddenly a determining factor, prepare to have your face rocked by the "Hero Eternal".

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
That whole destiny thing didn't work out so well.

Well he is not dead. He will eventually return to devour Nirn. To quote Esbern, " defeat was merely delay."

Esbern is a fagballs who expects you to kill your pal Paarthunax. uhuh

Well it would be nice to be able to get a cab, have White Privilege, become a fan of Elvis and Johnny Cash and so on.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Well it would be nice to be able to get a cab, have White Privilege, become a fan of Elvis and Johnny Cash and so on.
all muh white privilege. I'm not a big fan of Elvis, though Johnny Cash has some legit moments. Being white is pretty good.

I hope you can handle the unfortunate affliction of crazy that tends to come with it.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
That whole destiny thing didn't work out so well. The Dovahkiin actually notes that he didn't devour Alduin's soul, indicating that he is not dead.

Arngeir, aka the manly as **** Greybeard spokesman, backs Esbern's words.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Esbern is a fagballs who expects you to kill your pal Paarthunax. uhuh

Esbern to be fair is a lot more reasonable about it than Delphine is.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Esbern to be fair is a lot more reasonable about it than Delphine is. MISOGYNY.