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The Bride replaces the Red Viper as Tyrion's champion and faces the Mountain. She's equipped with her Hattori Hanzo sword and her Bruce Lee jumpsuit. Who wins.

Katana can't cut plate.

Bride stomps this horrible character that only idiots champion.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Katana can't cut plate.

He has a big open faced helmet. She can just stab him. In the face.

Originally posted by KingD19
He has a big open faced helmet. She can just stab him. In the face. http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/d/d1/Mark_Evans_GregorClegane.jpg

He does?

Or are you just assuming this is show Gregor?

I was. Considering it was a character from a movie.

Bride stomps.

Originally posted by KingD19
I was. Considering it was a character from a movie. that would go in movie v.s., it being in all versus implies book Gregor.

Originally posted by ares834
Bride stomps. Has she ever cut through normal plate mail? Much less Gregor's extra thick plate mail?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
that would go in movie v.s., it being in all versus implies book Gregor.

Game of Thrones isn't a movie though. I've seen plenty of tv characters in here.

Typically not against movie characters though.

TV characters are shunted off into movie versus.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Has she ever cut through normal plate mail? Much less Gregor's extra thick plate mail?

Her blade is pseudo-mystical and ridiculously sharp and was easily able to slice in half other blades and such. She may not be able grouch plate but I could easily see her stabbing through it.

And, if not, Gregor has a visor...

Well book Gregor is still ridiculously slow in comparison, and she could dodge around him all day while she tries to impale him, or jab him in the eye through that visor.

And Hattori Hanzo seemed to think his blade was sharp enough to cut through pretty much anything.

Originally posted by ares834
Her blade is pseudo-mystical and ridiculously sharp and was easily able to slice in half other blades and such. She may not be able grouch plate but I could easily see her stabbing through it.

And, if not, Gregor has a visor... "Pseudo-mystical" lol gtfo with that shit.

Cutting a blade in half is well within an IRL sword's capabilities. Cutting through normal plate armour? Virtually impossible. Much less Gregor's. Even stabbing is ineffective, especially for a weapon so ill-suited for stabbing like a katana.

His visor is about two feet over the top of her head. Good luck.

Gregor on the other hand is stronger by a lot, can actually endure most of her blows, will one-shot her with one of his, has a shield so he's even harder to injure, and has far greater reach. The Bride has to get within about four feet to hit Gregor. Gregor's span is probably over twice that.

He wins.

The Mountain wins, easily.

Originally posted by Epicurus
The Mountain wins, easily. Shut up, fanboy. Bride kills show version. Cry more, brownie.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Shut up, fanboy. Bride kills show version. Cry more, brownie.

Are you conceeding book Gregor stomps?

Know near nothing about GoT, but it's clear the Mountain wins this.

Uma's blade can cut God. God>Gregor. Uma wins.

This thread can be closed now.

Originally posted by Bentley
Are you conceeding book Gregor stomps? I didn't read the books, dummy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I didn't read the books, dummy.


How am I to know that dummy?

How does anyone know he's a dummy

Originally posted by quanchi112
Shut up, fanboy. Bride kills show version. Cry more, brownie.
How is she going to penetrate his thick plate armor? He is much stronger than her, much bigger than her, has better endurance than her, and can hack her with one blow of his greatsword. Her best strength feat is punching through a wooden coffin, the Mountain's best strength feat is crushing a man's skull.

How do we know the five point palm exploding heart technique can't go through thick armour? mhmm

Originally posted by BloodRain
How do we know the five point palm exploding heart technique can't go through thick armour? mhmm

Common f**king sense? shrug

So she kills him with that. Just as I thought 313

Originally posted by BloodRain
How do we know the five point palm exploding heart technique can't go through thick armour? mhmm False dilemma. Gregor doesn't have a heart.

How tall is he btw? In the novel. That picture trumps the series by a jump it seems.

Originally posted by BloodRain
How tall is he btw? In the novel. That picture trumps the series by a jump it seems. Between 7'7" at the bare minimum to possibly over eight feet. A concrete number is never given.

Oberyn's fight with Ser Gregor took place in A Storm of Crows, not A Game of Thrones.

Either way, Oberyn toyed with Gregor, and it wasn't the Manticore Venom (spiked with sorcery) that rendered him barely incapacitated either. It was blood-loss and Oberyn's spear that had pierced his belly and pinned him to the ground that did.

Seeing how the bride is a faster, more hard-hitting and (presumably) uses superior steel she shouldn't have any issues dealing with Gregor.

Originally posted by Astner
Oberyn's fight with Ser Gregor took place in A Storm of Crows, not A Game of Thrones.

I don't think anyone said otherwise.



He was still strong enough to literally crush Oberyn's skull despite the blood loss and being pinned.

Even in this state he's much stronger than The Bride.

Oberyn at one point also had to throw his spear aside or else he would die (Once Gregor powered through and took away Oberyn's advantage of range), with Oberyn surviving because of his shield (Which Uma doesn't have), and because Gregor in a rage grew distracted and killed a helpless bystander (This could happen I guess).

Oberyn won by using a weapon with greater reach than Gregor's (Which Uma doesn't have), by blinding him with the sun (Which she can't do as easily), and by having the stamina to fight him for an extended period of time without being hit (Which she hasn't shown, to my recollection). He also had a weapon that is actually built for stabbing, as opposed to cutting.

Is she faster and stronger than Oberyn? Could be. Superior steel? Maybe. She also uses a weapon that can't cut through chainmail effectively, much less plate as thick as Gregor's.

This is Gregor's fight to lose. He's fighting a much weaker, more easily damaged foe who has to get well within his reach to so much as scratch his armour.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Oberyn at one point also had to throw his spear aside or else he would die (Once Gregor powered through and took away Oberyn's advantage of range), with Oberyn surviving because of his shield (Which Uma doesn't have),
He let go of the spear because of the close range, and before he caught Gregor's second swing with his shield he side-stepped the first one. All and all, Oberyn didn't need his shield, he decided to use it.

You're also forgetting that the Bride's agility and perception well crossed over into what would be considered super-human. Oberyn's, in comparison, was only human.

Originally posted by NemeBro
and because Gregor in a rage grew distracted and killed a helpless bystander (This could happen I guess).
Considering how he got headaches for no reason while fighting, yeah, he'll probably will have a hard time focusing.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Oberyn won by using a weapon with greater reach than Gregor's (Which Uma doesn't have), by blinding him with the sun (Which she can't do as easily),
No, he won by being faster dodging Gregor's every swing with ease. The only instance where reach came into play was in the scene you mentioned above when Oberyn was too close.

Originally posted by NemeBro
She also uses a weapon that can't cut through chainmail effectively, much less plate as thick as Gregor's.
I'd dare to say that a 1080 steel katana could easily cut through chain mail and boiled leather and that the tip could easily penetrate tempered steel plate, which is far more durable than Gregor's plate especially since Oberyn's spear could penetrate it.

But even if you want to ignore all that, Gregor's visor had a slit in it that allowed for sight, and the Bride was quick and precise enough to catch a sword in mid-swing in its sheath.

Originally posted by NemeBro
This is Gregor's fight to lose.
Glad we agree.

Originally posted by NemeBro
and by having the stamina to fight him for an extended period of time without being hit (Which she hasn't shown, to my recollection).
I don't think so. IIRC, she was able to stalemate the pirate-eyed chick after spending half the night breaking out of her coffin, and digging herself out from below the ground, not to mention while having that awful salt-gun shot wound in her gut. She just had a sip of water before going off to face against the pirate-chick.

But yeah, Gregor's sheer strength, size and armor give him an almost unfair advantage in this fight.

Originally posted by Astner
Glad we agree.
I think you don't know what that phrase means.

Originally posted by Epicurus
I think you don't know what that phrase means.

And you do SD?

Originally posted by Epicurus
But yeah, Gregor's sheer strength, size and armor give him an almost unfair advantage in this fight.
Since "... he would've had better luck cutting of the wings of a fly," than hitting Oberyn he'd have no chance against the Birde.

Originally posted by Epicurus
I think you don't know what that phrase means.
I'm not a big Wrestling guy and so naturally I thought it was a typo.

Originally posted by Astner
Since "... he would've had better luck cutting of the wings of a fly," than hitting Oberyn he'd have no chance against the Birde.
I don't have time at the moment to respond to your long post but I have enough time to expose you as a liar at least.

That quote was in reference to Gregor cutting the head off Oberyn's spear. A far smaller, more maneuverable, and faster target than the Bride. Who has nothing to keep Gregor off of her, with the exception of her little katana.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
And you do SD?
Yes, Supra. It means "Me and your mom ****ed your wife and she loved it". You would know, considering the history between me and your missus.

Originally posted by Astner
Since "... he would've had better luck cutting of the wings of a fly," than hitting Oberyn he'd have no chance against the Birde.
As NemeBro pointed out, that dialogue is open to interpretation.

Even if it is literally true as pertains Oberyn's reaction time and reflexes, I am pretty sure it's a rhetorical hyperbole as I doubt that most ordinary athletic humans have fly-level reflexes.
Originally posted by Astner
I'm not a big Wrestling guy and so naturally I thought it was a typo.
Pretty sure that's not wrestling slang, and more of a generic phrase.

^Isn't Manticore venom somewhat acidic? I thought the venomous cocktail which Oberyn laced his spear with may have had something to do with penetrating Gregor's thick steel plate.

Originally posted by Epicurus
^Isn't Manticore venom somewhat acidic? I thought the venomous cocktail which Oberyn laced his spear with may have had something to do with penetrating Gregor's thick steel plate.
Not according to the novels.

I recall that it was said that the venom had eaten a hole in Gregor's flesh, but that was quite a while after the fight and that could just be the wound festering etc. So dunno if its seriously acidic enough to burn through plate mail.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I recall that it was said that the venom had eaten a hole in Gregor's flesh, but that was quite a while after the fight and that could just be the wound festering etc. So dunno if its seriously acidic enough to burn through plate mail.
"Ser Gregor." Qyburn shrugged. "I have examined him, as you commanded. The poison on the Viper's spear was manticore venom from the east, I would stake my life on that."
"Pycelle says no. He told my lord father that manticore venom kills the instant it reaches the heart."
"And so it does. But this venom has been thickened somehow, so as to draw out the Mountain's dying."
"Thickened? Thickened how? With some other substance?"
"It may be as Your Grace suggests, though in most cases adulterating a poison only lessens its potency. It may be that the cause is . . . less natural, let us say. A spell, I think."
Is this one as big a fool as Pycelle? "So are you telling me that the Mountain is dying of some black sorcery?"
Qyburn ignored the mockery in her voice. "He is dying of the venom, but slowly, and in exquisite agony. My efforts to ease his pain have proved as fruitless as Pycelle's. Ser Gregor is overly accustomed to the poppy, I fear. His squire tells me that he is plagued by blinding headaches and oft quaffs the milk of the poppy as lesser men quaff ale. Be that as it may, his veins have turned black from head to heel, his water is clouded with pus, and the venom has eaten a hole in his side as large as my fist. It is a wonder that the man is still alive, if truth be told."

Originally posted by Astner
Not according to the novels.
Maybe whatever black magic Oberyn performed on the venom caused it to develop corrosive properties.

Afterall it was implied that the venom had been modified via some sort of sorcery or some sh1t.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Maybe whatever black magic Oberyn performed on the venom caused it to develop corrosive properties.
Maybe. But Oberyn's ability to penetrate Gregor's armor was never discussed or even questioned.

Then of course there's the issue of the spear tip being unaffected by the speculative corrosive properties of the poison.

Don't they have alloys almost close to Valyrian steel level quality in Dorne?

Damn, Astner had introduced a real conundrum here. I still give the Mountain the majority, but now it seems questionable whether his armor will protect him from the Bride's assault.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Don't they have alloys almost close to Valyrian steel level quality in Dorne?
Oberyn's spear was made of ashwood with a steel tip, most likely castle-forged. Nothing noteworthy has been said about Dornish craftsmanship.