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Takes place where the last battle of the Fourth Great Ninja War was held (the one against the Ten Tails). Naruto is in his final form for this battle. Goku is in his adult form.

Who wins this and why?

Goku wipes his ass with Nardo.

Do you have any hate boner?

Final form Naruto, so the one that became the greatest ninja and the greatest Hokage of all time (Don't you love knowing how the series will end after reading the manga?). He also has his own version of going Super Saiyan: His Tailed Beast Chakra Mode. You seem a bit uneducated about the Naruto universe.

Originally posted by jmoul
Final form Naruto, so the one that became the greatest ninja and the greatest Hokage of all time (Don't you love knowing how the series will end after reading the manga?). He also has his own version of going Super Saiyan: His Tailed Beast Chakra Mode. You seem a bit uneducated about the Naruto universe.

Yes, even then.

Having "your own version" of something doesn't make it equal. (Search 'fallacy of the undistributed middle')

Edit: Since someone will eventually say it, I'll just say it now and get it out of the way. This has been done to death, and the result is always the same.

Edit 2: This is also the wrong forum, but whatever, I guess.

Nardo gets eviscerated

Goku flick him like Jiraiya did, only this time he dies. Naruto can't stand up to anyone on a Planetary level.

People must not know
Destructive Capacity
Goku=Island Level
Naruto=Meteorite+ Level

Durability
Goku=State Level
Naruto=Moon Level

Simply Naruto kills.

You're f**king kidding, right? Goku is WELL beyond where you're putting him at. haermm

Not really its actual facts dude he ain't planet level nor isn't their ANY SCANS of this I am a dbz fan and a Naruto fan I know both sides and I know for a FACT goku isn't planet level in neither DC/Durability.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Not really its actual facts dude he ain't planet level nor isn't their ANY SCANS of this I am a dbz fan and a Naruto fan I know both sides and I know for a FACT goku isn't planet level in neither DC/Durability.

Frieza says hi. (You know, the guy Goku stood on par with who could reduce planets by pointing at them?)

Originally posted by Sacred 117
Frieza says hi. (You know, the guy Goku stood on par with who could reduce planets by pointing at them?)
Kaguya says hi. (You know the girl Naruto and sasuke parred with? Who could dimensional shape shift without looking at her opponens is planetary level by looking at the moon?)

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Kaguya says hi. (You know the girl Naruto and sasuke parred with? Who could dimensional shape shift without looking at her opponens is planetary level by looking at the moon?)

What does that have to do with anything? Dimensional travel is a specific ability, not a measure of her strength.

Goku leveled out with Frieza back then, and he's even stronger now.

"She's planetary because moongazing."

Whatever that means. Lol.

Yup you don't know about Naruto so please dont think you do Naruto have
Planetary level being (Kaguya)
Moon level beings (Hagoromo,Naruto,Hamura, and sasuke,Toneri,Madara)
Multiple meteorite level beings (Naruto,Hagoromo,Madara,Sasuke, and Toneri)
Meteorite level being (Nagato)

Dbz has what?
2 canon planet level beings who use GIANT energy balls that a few Naruto characters can absorb?
1 non-canon planet buster that can be killed by lava level attacks?

No dbz character can tank lava or sun level attacks
No dbz character has busted a star nor anything like a solar system or galaxy
Goku couldn't lift 40 tons at based
Goku needs his friends more then his strength
Goku couldn't defeat cell

Naruto has 10 elements
Naruto have breath on the moon in space
Naruto survived a moon level attack and pared in speed with toneri who can send meteorites and dislodge the moon from orbit
._. See how I am using fact?

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Dbz has what?
2 canon planet level beings who use GIANT energy balls that a few Naruto characters can absorb?

You mean "giant balls" like the Death Beam that destroyed Planet Vegeta? haermm



Naruto characters have been affected by kunai and such. Lolmindlesslowballing.



Naruto can't tank the sun either.



His opponent is Naruto, so it's not like he needs that much.



Except he did, and he's grown exponentially since then. Unless you think Naruto being unable to run up a tree means anything now?



So does Naruto. What of it? That's just what drives the characters.



Gohan could. (Again, Goku's long since past this.)



So?



So did Frieza (and Vegeta, IIRC). I don't see how this helps him here. Lol.



So... Roshi could kill him?



You're using a strength/DC feat as a speed feat? One that Donkey Kong has matched? Lel.



If only.

Goku always wins is the correct answer you heathens.

Originally posted by Sacred 117
You mean "giant balls" like the Death Beam that destroyed Planet Vegeta? haermm
Naruto characters have been affected by kunai and such. Lolmindlesslowballing.
Naruto can't tank the sun either.
His opponent is Naruto, so it's not like he needs that much.
Except he did, and he's grown exponentially since then. Unless you think Naruto being unable to run up a tree means anything now?
So does Naruto. What of it? That's just what drives the characters.
Gohan could. (Again, Goku's long since past this.)
So?
So did Frieza (and Vegeta, IIRC). I don't see how this helps him here. Lol.
So... Roshi could kill him?
You're using a strength/DC feat as a speed feat? One that Donkey Kong has matched? Lel.
If only.
Frieza used the Death ball on planet Vegeta, lying isn't helping you here

His low showing is relevant to the character in question (Broly)((movie 10))

Agreed but irrelevant as no one has said otherwise

Naruto blocked a moon buster with his bare hand, Goku doesn't have any durability feats close to this.

When has Goku ever lifted 40 tons?

The next four point are dumb

Naruto blocked a moon buster not sure what your implying/wanking

The other points are also dumb...

That said Goku is quicker and has more potent energy attacks but no reason to lie.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Frieza used the Death ball on planet Vegeta, lying isn't helping you here

His low showing is relevant to the character in question (Broly)((movie 10))

Agreed but irrelevant as no one has said otherwise

Naruto blocked a moon buster with his bare hand, Goku doesn't have any durability feats close to this.

When has Goku ever lifted 40 tons?

The next four point are dumb

Naruto blocked a moon buster not sure what your implying/wanking

The other points are also dumb...

That said Goku is quicker and has more potent energy attacks but no reason to lie.

Frieza also made that in a short amount of time with one finger in base form. That's better than any Naruto feat lol.

Lol, you mean the same Broly that destroy planets even as a teenager? Go ahead and try to use low feats though, I'm happy with knife level Naruto.

Broly destroyed stars on panel like a boss in the legit first minute of the movie. How is that irrelevant?

When did Naruto become moon level? Are you talking about that meteorite shit? That same meteorite that didn't show to be anywhere near moon size? And what do you mean Goku has no feats close to that? A severly weakened Goku in base form was pushing back a planet busting blast.

Watch @ 12:00
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-_jqHzbLraI

There's also the fact that Frieza with no ki, sliced in half, and near death tanked a planet exploding at point blank and was still alive. This same Frieza was sliced with ease from Trunks sword while it had no affect on Goku,


OMG are you stupid? Your trying to lowball with that? Lol, Goku was able to easily flip Gaint Piccolo.
According to the Super Exciting Guide and Daizenshuu Piccolo's base weight is 116kg and his size increased by 10 times.

According to the square cube law Piccolo's size and weight would grow in three dimensions so 116kg x 10 x 10 x 10 = 116,000kg (116 tons)

Half the crap that you type could be labeled as retarded.

How about you prove Naruto is moon level.

With that said I label you as half retarded. Stay salty.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Frieza used the Death ball on planet Vegeta, lying isn't helping you here

His low showing is relevant to the character in question (Broly)((movie 10))

Agreed but irrelevant as no one has said otherwise

Naruto blocked a moon buster with his bare hand, Goku doesn't have any durability feats close to this.

When has Goku ever lifted 40 tons?

The next four point are dumb

Naruto blocked a moon buster not sure what your implying/wanking

The other points are also dumb...

That said Goku is quicker and has more potent energy attacks but no reason to lie.

I remembered it being Death Beam. Either way, this was done with minimal effort, so the point remains.

Nothing pertaining to a non-canon character is "relevant".

I agree. It IS irrelevant. Might want to tell him that (since he brought it up).

If you say so.

Saiyan Saga; King Kai's Planet. Go ahead and act like this still matters, though.

And his points (that mine are in response to) aren't? GTFO.

Roshi blew up the moon back in DB. Basically, late series Naruto did what earlier DBZ did.

Which ones?

You have a known history of asspulling baseless assumptions for the sake of convenience to make a case (going so far as to shift the burden of proof afterwards), so try not calling me a liar.

Me ass pulling are you referring to when I crushed you so bad you started crying "all low showings are game mechanics". Ok sport, you got caught lying (twice) and are now trying to argue around the fact Broly was brought up, I'm fine with him being a non canon outlier but Vegeta also died during the Buu saga to a blast that did minimal real damage to the surroundings.

Btw I meant all the parts that I didn't respond to aren't important to the debate, thus dumb to bring up, grow thicker skin.

Also when did Goku Lift King Kai's planet? He was on it and it has increased gravity but I don't remember him doing anything to it.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
People must not know
Destructive Capacity
Goku=Small star Level
Naruto=Meteorite+ Level

Durability
Goku=Small star Level
Naruto=Moon Level

Simply Goku kills.

Fixed it for you

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Yup you don't know about Naruto so please dont think you do Naruto have
Planetary level being (Kaguya)
Moon level beings (Hagoromo,Naruto,Hamura, and sasuke,Toneri,Madara)
Multiple meteorite level beings (Naruto,Hagoromo,Madara,Sasuke, and Toneri)
Meteorite level being (Nagato)

Even Piccolo was able to bust up the moon Death Star style in the Saiyan Saga by extending his palm, when he was barely worth of note next to Raditz. Do you seriously think that planetary threats are that big a deal, hell, Kaguya's not even planet busting



You arguing Nardo characters can absorb planet busters. Okay then, mind showing evidence for that good sir?

Also, killed by lava, oh look a low showing



Low end showings do not count as evidence, even if we were to do this, love to see Nardo do better



No Nardo character's busted a planet



Nardo and co were too slow to reach Pein during his 5 second recharge time.... from meters away

You really want to go down the route of using low ends as evidence?



Useless red herring



>Implying not being able to beat Cell is some kind of low end showing



Whoa! He can control the elements, oh no! Why did nobody tell me!



DBZ charactr survive attacks from eachother, and they can bust planets and fun shit and outfly/dodge ki blasts that can reach orbit in seconds and fun shit. Whoop-dee-****ing-doo

Kindly shut the **** up and don't speak of anything DBZ related, or at least get some lessons in grammar while you're at it

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Me ass pulling are you referring to when I crushed you so bad you started crying "all low showings are game mechanics". Ok sport, you got caught lying (twice) and are now trying to argue around the fact Broly was brought up, I'm fine with him being a non canon outlier but Vegeta also died during the Buu saga to a blast that did minimal real damage to the surroundings.

Btw I meant all the parts that I didn't respond to aren't important to the debate, thus dumb to bring up, grow thicker skin.

Also when did Goku Lift King Kai's planet? He was on it and it has increased gravity but I don't remember him doing anything to it.

Yeah and the blast Yusuke attacked Raizen with only caused a small hole in the building behind him, and he sure as hell wasn't pulling his punches, yet none of us would be retarded to claim that his attack was weaker than anything he utilized when fighting Sensui in CB

Cell seriously damaged SSJ2 Gohan with a ki blast that only had collateral damage comparable to a 120mm, yet none of us would be retarded to claim a character who can damage a SSJ2 with a casual attack is much weaker than Piccolo during the 23rd Tournament that razed an island

Lion El Jonson and Luther in 40K's fight caused a mountain range+ sized temple that can tank petaton bombardments without ill effect to be destroyed with the air pressure of their blows, the GEoM and Chaos Horus fighting didn't have much flashy collateral, but we won't claim that Lion and Luther are far more powerful than the GEoM and Horus

TL;DR: Lack of collateral isn't a valid argument against the power of an attack. J/cm^3 is a far more efficient method

It in when a series is based on massive collateral damage.

Gohan tanked (or stopped) most of the blast.

No, it's a series based on increases in power, speed, etc

Unless you believe that Cell is<Frieza because Cell never busted a planet himself

Or Super Buu<Kid Buu

Stealth your arguments are invalid lol goku durability isn't on Naruto level so end of discussion Naruto wins.

Frieza Dc>Cells DC
Cell Durability >Frieza durability

Overall cell should win.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Stealth your arguments are invalid lol goku durability isn't on Naruto level so end of discussion Naruto wins.

Lol no.

Go read my post.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Frieza Dc>Cells DC
Cell Durability >Frieza durability

Overall cell should win.

Lol

Frieza couldn't harm trunks. Android 18 bitched smacked trunks.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Lol

Frieza couldn't harm trunks. Android 18 bitched smacked trunks.

Please re-read my given statement I just said CELL would win due to actual durability.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Fixed it for you
Goku hasn't busted a star nor is he star level stop with the bs trolling.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Stealth your arguments are invalid lol goku durability isn't on Naruto level so end of discussion Naruto wins.

Yeah, love how you have no arguments just "It is because I say so"

Revolutionary debater in a nutshell, gents



You seriously arguing this shit in a verse where increases in energy generation is a ****ing thing?

Power levels refer to increases in every aspect, strength, speed, durability, DC, etc

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Goku hasn't busted a star nor is he star level stop with the bs trolling.

Buu busted a planet so violently that it was calced to be the equivalent of the GBE of a small star. Try again Nardotard

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Yeah, love how you have no arguments just "It is because I say so"

Revolutionary debater in a nutshell, gents



You seriously arguing this shit in a verse where increases in energy generation is a ****ing thing?

Power levels refer to increases in every aspect, strength, speed, durability, DC, etc
Ranger just stfu dude your statements mean little here also THATS BUU MORON NOT GOKU please stop dbztard your logic is pathetic
Power levels DOESNT DETERMINE A CHARACTER STRENGTH like akira said power levels are just Random numbers for the fans please stfu you ain't a true dbz fan clearly by your lack of interviews he published about power levels.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Ranger just stfu dude your statements mean little here also THATS BUU MORON NOT GOKU please stop dbztard your logic is pathetic

Yeah it was, guess who Goku at the end of the series rivals *gasp* Yes, you guessed it

Hell, if you were to remove powerscaling, alot of characters (especially in anime/manga) would be inimpressive, including in your precious Nardo



The only thing you can argue is that power levels don't work in a linear fashion, which is not what I argued. What they do tell you however is what feats you get to powerscale off

Though you'd have to be a retard to miss how the entire series has constant power increases in every respect, or just have severe tunnel vision

I wasn't Powerscaling Naruto moron xD its facts shown where goku durability/DC sucks without dbztards like you power boosting him with misconceptions of Powers


Power levels = random numbers
Author literal statement >dbztards statements .


Please just stop dude you haven't even brought up any facts here only the fact you are a dbztard.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
I wasn't Powerscaling Naruto moron xD its facts shown where goku durability/DC sucks without dbztards like you power boosting him with misconceptions of Powers

The same logic that could be pulled in any fiction

Also if he evenly matches/beats people on that level in terms of energy manipulation, well guess what happens



"I don't like it so it doesn't count"

It's called a literary device, do try to keep up



Uh huh, sure whatever helps you sleep at night

Yeah Grade A debating, just make baseless assertions and ad hominem acting with a false sense of elitism

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Please re-read my given statement I just said CELL would win due to actual durability.

Are you just that stupid?

You said Frieza > cell in DC.

Frieza couldn't harm trunks. Andriod 18 phucked up trunks

Cell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andriod 18 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Frieza >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Naruto verse

Yet I can actually post the scans where you dbztards have no scan of goku even busting a planet nor showing any feats to even put him on that level you read the OBD profiles and say

"Oh its so correct." Where I debunked all the feats you little fanboys pull out.

Its ok bro you lost.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Frieza also made that in a short amount of time with one finger in base form. That's better than any Naruto feat lol.

Lol, you mean the same Broly that destroy planets even as a teenager? Go ahead and try to use low feats though, I'm happy with knife level Naruto.

Broly destroyed stars on panel like a boss in the legit first minute of the movie. How is that irrelevant?

When did Naruto become moon level? Are you talking about that meteorite shit? That same meteorite that didn't show to be anywhere near moon size? And what do you mean Goku has no feats close to that? A severly weakened Goku in base form was pushing back a planet busting blast.

Watch @ 12:00
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-_jqHzbLraI

There's also the fact that Frieza with no ki, sliced in half, and near death tanked a planet exploding at point blank and was still alive. This same Frieza was sliced with ease from Trunks sword while it had no affect on Goku,


OMG are you stupid? Your trying to lowball with that? Lol, Goku was able to easily flip Gaint Piccolo.
According to the Super Exciting Guide and Daizenshuu Piccolo's base weight is 116kg and his size increased by 10 times.

According to the square cube law Piccolo's size and weight would grow in three dimensions so 116kg x 10 x 10 x 10 = 116,000kg (116 tons)

Half the crap that you type could be labeled as retarded.

How about you prove Naruto is moon level.

With that said I label you as half retarded. Stay salty.

This was at pym but you get the picture.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Are you just that stupid?

You said Frieza > cell in DC.

Frieza couldn't harm trunks. Andriod 18 phucked up trunks

Cell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andriod 18 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Frieza >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Naruto verse
Are you slow?
Frieza busted a planet where cell was city level.

Also no cell gets killed by kaguya or any rinnegan user with soul removal.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Yet I can actually post the scans where you dbztards have no scan of goku even busting a planet nor showing any feats to even put him on that level you read the OBD profiles and say

"Oh its so correct." Where I debunked all the feats you little fanboys pull out.

Its ok bro you lost.

Frieza busted a planet with a finger. That same (by a much more powerful Frieza) attack did shit to trunks. Frieza couldn't harm the leg hairs on Cell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jho2XWgakk

Naruto vs Toneri
On the moon.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Are you slow?
Frieza busted a planet where cell was city level.

Also no cell gets killed by kaguya or any rinnegan user with soul removal.

So cell being able to harm beings that were unaffected by planet level blast puts him at city level? My god you're retarded.

Ok you dbztards think what you want but it goes by how much you know little.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
So cell being able to harm beings that were unaffected by planet level blast puts him at city level? My god you're retarded.
No Z fighter has planet level durability moron not even Buu can survive a planet level attack frieza couldn't survive either your logic in this debate is like Stealthrangers low and pretty slow.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Yet I can actually post the scans where you dbztards have no scan of goku even busting a planet nor showing any feats to even put him on that level you read the OBD profiles and say

Yeah and Raizen never busted a mesa, Sanguinius never busted a mountain, etc

Powerscaling is a thing, if Goku was able to overpower Freiza he could generate far more energy that him, Freiza being a casual planet buster



I don't like it so it's wrong is not a valid rebuttal

Honestly, you're the worst troll ever, can you try to be amusing, or hell, where's the subtlety?

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
No Z fighter has planet level durability moron not even Buu can survive a planet level attack frieza couldn't survive either your logic in this debate is like Stealthrangers low and pretty slow.

Are you really that retarded? A Near death Frieza survived a point blank planet explosion. You really are stupid.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Are you really that retarded? A Near death Frieza survived a point blank planet explosion. You really are stupid.
Not really he was floating in space BARELY alive moron.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Not really he was floating in space BARELY alive moron. But he still SURVIVED. The last time we saw Frieza is when he got put down by Goku.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Not really he was floating in space BARELY alive moron.

Are you seriously going to ignore Freiza was on the planet when it exploded? Like really?

But I guess Namek exploding was just propaganda

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Yeah and Raizen never busted a mesa, Sanguinius never busted a mountain, etc

Powerscaling is a thing, if Goku was able to overpower Freiza he could generate far more energy that him, Freiza being a casual planet buster



I don't like it so it's wrong is not a valid rebuttal

Honestly, you're the worst troll ever, can you try to be amusing, or hell, where's the subtlety?

Not really trolling and on which you wont know the meaning of it so ima educate you alright?

http://fictionalbattleomniverse.wiki-site.com/index.php/Trolling_%28Online_Definition%29

The fact you are using a method that isnt accurate and even not factual shows me you cant debate.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Are you seriously going to ignore Freiza was on the planet when it exploded? Like really?

But I guess Namek exploding was just propaganda
Yet trunks sliced him up like a turkey right? Yeah real planet level durability (sarcasm if you cant comprehend.)

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Not really trolling and on which you wont know the meaning of it so ima educate you alright?

http://fictionalbattleomniverse.wiki-site.com/index.php/Trolling_%28Online_Definition%29

The fact you are using a method that is accurate and even not factual shows me you cant debate.

Oh hey you can dump wiki links, good for you

Come when your arguments have substance, and, again, while you're at it, please retake 2nd grade English

Yeah, unable to the debate, says the guy who's posts are just transparent elitism and ad hominem with no substance whatsoever, so revolutionary

Actually:



>ala you're entire argument style

Oh my, I must have really got to you eh?

Yeah, unable to the debate, says the guy who's posts are just transparent elitism and ad hominem with no substance whatsoever, so revolutionary < please dont tell anyone about using grammar first sentence proved me right.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Yet trunks sliced him up like a turkey right? Yeah real planet level durability (sarcasm if you cant comprehend.)

>implying Trunks slicing him up is a low showing
>When Trunks was an SSJ on par with Goku and outpowered Freiza and his dad

Honestly, I fail to see how you profess being a DBZ fan and manage to misinterpret the series this damn badly

Actually I'll never understand your try-hards in general, I mean what is the point of it, going to such asinine lengths for relevance? Accomplishment? I mean, what is your purpose?

EDIT: Oh, and btw, "no u" retorts aren't original nor witty, get your own shit. God you make even quanchi look like a comedian, and he's terrible enough as it is

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Oh hey you can dump wiki links, good for you

Come when your arguments have substance, and, again, while you're at it, please retake 2nd grade English

Yeah, unable to the debate, says the guy who's posts are just transparent elitism and ad hominem with no substance whatsoever, so revolutionary

Actually:



>ala you're entire argument style

Oh my, I must have really got to you eh?
1. Didn't you insult me first? For no reason?

Oh my did the butthurt get serious?

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Yet trunks sliced him up like a turkey right? Yeah real planet level durability (sarcasm if you cant comprehend.)

Trunks amped his sword with KI.

Trunks master sword > planet level characters >>>>> Naruto

Stay salty

Nvm, repost

Originally posted by StealthRanger
>implying Trunks slicing him up is a low showing
>When Trunks was an SSJ on par with Goku and outpowered Freiza and his dad

Honestly, I fail to see how you profess being a DBZ fan and manage to misinterpret the series this damn badly

Actually I'll never understand your try-hards in general, I mean what is the point of it, going to such asinine lengths for relevance? Accomplishment? I mean, what is your purpose?
SSJ trunks was on par with Goku? And out powered his father?

Lmao ok dbztard you believe you are being correct which is false here

Goku was paring with trunks and trunks was AMAZED by goku's strength even when trunks was still being beaten by some of the villains right? Even when Vegeta was SSJ he was above trunks your statements are baseless and even speculation by your fanboyish mind.

Never copied and pasted a insult moron lol.

Ima upload some actual scans for you people.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
SSJ trunks was on par with Goku? And out powered his father?

Lmao ok dbztard you believe you are being correct which is false here

Yeah, love your rebuttal. "Not true because I said so"

And yes, Trunks did outpower Freiza and King Cold by a huge margain



Yeah when you have something that's actually a valid argument not just baseless assertions and ad hominem let me know

http://www.mangapartay.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Naruto-677-Naruto-Rasen-Shuriken-Meteorites.jpg
http://i23.mangapanda.com/naruto/677/naruto-4964707.jpg

Meteorite busting proof.

Trunks wasn't on Goku's level... Can you guys go a day without lying? Goku matched him with one finger...

Sacred are you gonna post a scan/chapter #/anime episode # for Goku lifting a planet? I'd really love to see it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1jho2XWgakk

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Trunks wasn't on Goku's level... Can you guys go a day without lying? Goku matched him with one finger...

Sacred are you gonna post a scan/chapter #/anime episode # for Goku lifting a planet? I'd really love to see it.
Goku hasn't even lifted a planet level

Also correct Pym with stealth spreading bullshit.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Trunks wasn't on Goku's level... Can you guys go a day without lying? Goku matched him with one finger...

Sacred are you gonna post a scan/chapter #/anime episode # for Goku lifting a planet? I'd really love to see it.

Who said trunks was on Gokus level?

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
http://www.mangapartay.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Naruto-677-Naruto-Rasen-Shuriken-Meteorites.jpg
http://i23.mangapanda.com/naruto/677/naruto-4964707.jpg

Meteorite busting proof.

Cool, all together they cover that landscape. No where near large country level.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Who said trunks was on Gokus level?
If you read the comments stealth ranger stated this dude.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Cool, all together they cover that landscape. No where near large country level.
Still busted meteorite's as goku spirit bomb couldn't planet bust despite busting islands lol.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Still busted meteorite's as goku spirit bomb couldn't planet bust despite busting islands lol.

Point? Seeing how weaker DBZ characters have done more than that in a few seconds.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Trunks wasn't on Goku's level... Can you guys go a day without lying? Goku matched him with one finger...

Sacred are you gonna post a scan/chapter #/anime episode # for Goku lifting a planet? I'd really love to see it.

Why do lifting feats matter?

Strike feats > lifting feats.

Because he brought it up?????

Either he lied (again) or idk

I said Goku wins btw.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Because he brought it up?????

Either he lied (again) or idk

I said Goku wins btw.

You said Naruto characters had better durability feats then Goku.

They do... Goku never physically blocked a planet buster. In fact he died to Cells.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
They do... Goku never physically blocked a planet buster. In fact he died to Cells.
Originally posted by Werewolf582
Frieza also made that in a short amount of time with one finger in base form. That's better than any Naruto feat lol.

Lol, you mean the same Broly that destroy planets even as a teenager? Go ahead and try to use low feats though, I'm happy with knife level Naruto.

Broly destroyed stars on panel like a boss in the legit first minute of the movie. How is that irrelevant?

When did Naruto become moon level? Are you talking about that meteorite shit? That same meteorite that didn't show to be anywhere near moon size? And what do you mean Goku has no feats close to that? A severly weakened Goku in base form was pushing back a planet busting blast.

Watch @ 12:00
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-_jqHzbLraI

There's also the fact that Frieza with no ki, sliced in half, and near death tanked a planet exploding at point blank and was still alive. This same Frieza was sliced with ease from Trunks sword while it had no affect on Goku,


OMG are you stupid? Your trying to lowball with that? Lol, Goku was able to easily flip Gaint Piccolo.
According to the Super Exciting Guide and Daizenshuu Piccolo's base weight is 116kg and his size increased by 10 times.

According to the square cube law Piccolo's size and weight would grow in three dimensions so 116kg x 10 x 10 x 10 = 116,000kg (116 tons)

Half the crap that you type could be labeled as retarded.

How about you prove Naruto is moon level.

With that said I label you as half retarded. Stay salty.

So agreed Goku has no feats...

Cool

Unless you can prove Goku can survive being bisected.

I'm about to report you for trolling. I posted the feat in that post and you continue to ignore it. You've ignored it since page one. We don't need another Quan chi wannabe.

Your an idiot, my god. Ok here I'll spell it out for you.

1.) you are equateing durability for two separate characters.

That's it.... If Goku has the same durability as Frieza then back it up or shut up.

Troll.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Your an idiot, my god. Ok here I'll spell it out for you.

1.) you are equateing durability for two separate characters.

That's it.... If Goku has the same durability as Frieza then back it up or shut up.

Troll.
This post proves you didn't click on the link I gave.

The link I gave has nothing to do with Frieza.

Continue to troll, at least now I know your doing it on purpose.

Hell, Goku was unaffected by trunks sword while Frieza was sliced in half by it. Yet another feat showing Goku > Frieza. Should I bring up Pikkon up as well?

The wall post you keep re-post in which your trying to equate Frieza's feats to Goku?

Honest question; do you have a mental disorder?

Your line of argument.

Goku > Friezer cause Trunks killed him but Frieza survived bisection.

Herp Derp who brought up Frieza...

Concession accepted.

Frieza & Goku are separate characters and have different abilities.

I couldn't imagine if people tried this in the comic section... Spidey beat Rhino thus he's now class 100 & bombproof bro.

So you have no counter to my post? Thought so.

Goku was pushing back a planet busting blast in his weakened base form against beerus. I posted the link several times.

But you already proved that your trolling so you'll probably just ignore it.

You mean God form? Did you watch the thing your even talking about... Goku in base was being pushed back and was accepting that the planet buster would kill him.

Also it didn't go off on Goku...

Troll

That blast wasn't even planet level.......

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Concession accepted.

Frieza & Goku are separate characters and have different abilities.

I couldn't imagine if people tried this in the comic section... Spidey beat Rhino thus he's now class 100 & bombproof bro. again.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
again.
Your post about the beating a character is used by people who use the "Power scaling" method which by all means is inaccurate by many I dont use such BS logic like that.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
The wall post you keep re-post in which your trying to equate Frieza's feats to Goku?

Honest question; do you have a mental disorder?

Your line of argument.

Goku > Friezer cause Trunks killed him but Frieza survived bisection.

Herp Derp who brought up Frieza...

Well if you believe that Freiza is more durable than Goku, despite Goku outclassing him in every respect, though if you believe such a thing then lol

Then again, Mach 5 not even bulletproof DBZ guiz :zaru

So do you intend to prove Goku could survive being Bisected and then have a planet blow up on him or are you also just a DBtard aswell?

Well if Freiza is outclassed by SSJ Goku, and Freiza could, then yes he could survive a planet busted on him (well, the impact, but then he'd die because he can't survive in a vacuum, not sure where the whole bisected thing came from). Is powerscaling that foreign a concept to you?

Frieza was cut in half first... Have you not seen DBZ

So in your opinion Spider-Man is stronger & more durable than Rhino because he beats him up with ease these days?

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Frieza was cut in half first... Have you not seen DBZ

I know that full well, except he was cut horizontally

Also, given your own conduct in DBZ thread, you're in no position to ask anyone of DBZ knowledge



Not a comic expert though if he overpowered him physically and outclassed him in every respect (ala Freiza next to SSJ Goku) then sure

Then again, comics are weird like that so, eh

So you don't know what bisected means... It refers to being cut on a line (ie Destrocto disc) I'm not sure what your babbling about after it but ok,

Prove Goku can survive being cut in half.

I'd ask about surviving a "planet buster" but we know he failed in the Cell saga and assuming Mssj Vegeta > Perfect Cell; his suicide attack did diddly crap to the planet. He'll even Buu's body was destroyed by a planet buster.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
So you don't know what bisected means... It refers to being cut on a line (ie Destrocto disc) I'm not sure what your babbling about after it but ok,

If you were bisected horizontally, then your heart and brain would still function, now being bisected veritcally would kill you since your brain and (even) your heart would be ****ed, unless you were Cell and Buu who could regenerate from a small part of your body remaining



Well if Freiza can, and he was a schmuck next to SSJ Goku, well I'm sure you can figure it out



>considering Cell made Freiza look like a gnat
>still doesn't understand "different levels of planet busting" is a thing in the vast multiverse that is fiction



Yeah and Yusuke's attack against Raizen only punched a small hole through a building, and he sure as hell wasn't pulling his punches, since a weaker version if him in a fight with Sensui last saga destroyed mountain ranges and such fun shit

Lion's fight with Luther did more collateral than GEoM vs Horus, yet none of us say that Lion>GEoM

You need to learn that AoE and flashy collateral does not denote who is superior, J/cm^3>



Same planet buster that was calced to be the GEB of a small star, yeah.....

So your back to just making stuff up? GG

Concession Accepted

Love the rebuttal

"Just spout off one liners and act like that contitutes as a rebuttal whole denying powerscaling (even though this would cripple alot of verses)"

Grade A debating there

Well when you back up your claim that Goku doesn't need Blood to survive... Well you can see where I'm going.

Like I said, powerscaling is a thing in fiction, especially in anime/manga where normally any character of note is scaled to a single feat (of speed/DC) even, the only way such a thing would be invalid would be if Freiza had a specific technique for being able to survive on Namek while being bisected, which was never stated in canon so there is no reason to believe such a thing, this isn't Jedi or or Sith who specialist in different aspects of their power

And if Freiza can survive being on an exploding planet and planet bust, then a guy who outclassed him like SSJ Goku, much less Cell can damn well do it to (well, barring the whole lack of oxygen and can't breathe in space things anyhow)

Cell and Buu were vaporized by their respective "planet busters" (in Cells' case) and had to reform from debris. Frieza didn't get so much as a few burns from Namek's destruction.

Your whole argument is BS and you know it, Frieza is an alien who survived Goku's best attack while weakened, then a planet blew up on him. Trying to say they have similar body make up is a lie and you know it.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Cell and Buu were vaporized by their respective "planet busters" (in Cells' case) and had to reform from debris. Frieza didn't get so much as a few burns from Namek's destruction.

Cell self destructed and Buu's was simply that ****ing powerful

Also good for Freiza, he has a durability feat, and all the more impressive by the fact he was severely wounded prior when it exploded on his ass



Things like "alien" "human" "demon" etc are just titles and nothing else for all intents and purposes in fiction. Unless they're stated to have a different biology to humans (ala alot of alien races in Star Wars), we do not assume such a thing, Ocaam's Razor is quite the asset

Although if Freiza can tank an attack of x power, then someone who outclasses him in every notable respect (durability included) can damn well so do too, logic 101

??? Agreed to the first part, Frieza has better feats than both Buu & Cell in regards to durability. After that you go full retard.

We don't need statements that Frieza has above human level damage soak, we saw it... Saiyans, by extension Goku have neither. Namekians can regrow lost arms, in your mind can Goku also do this? He's stronger than any Namekian shown... Baba could see the future, Goku is way above her in power can he also do that?

Originally posted by pym-ftw
??? Agreed to the first part, Frieza has better feats than both Buu & Cell in regards to durability. After that you go full retard.

There are different levels of planet busting, that and you're seriously arguing this kind of thing where power ups in every notable respect is a damn thing?



You're seriously saying Saiyans who can dish out and tank planet busters don't have insane damage soak, are you for real right now?



Namekians have a specific ability for this, although Goku can tank more damage than Namekians without damage, and can make their strength, speed, DC, etc look like piss too



Baba has a specific technique for doing this and has nothing to do with increases in strength, speed, durability, DC, etc, as such is not scalable to any character in the verse

What Saiyan ever tanked a planet being destroyed? C'mon

Not anymore bs, who?

Originally posted by pym-ftw
What Saiyan ever tanked a planet being destroyed? C'mon

"When has Doomsday, Lobo, etc destroyed a planet with their fist despite fighting Superman"

"When has Raizen busted a mountain range in one go"

"When has Sanguinius or Horus destroyed a mountain physically"

That's what you're argument in all essence amounts to. Is powerscaling this really ****ing hard to grasp in a verse where it's a ****ing thing?



Not sure what you're responding to here?

Superman himself has feats beyond that threshold, Goku doesn't.
Your comparing apples to oranges.

Your more aptly saying Spider-Man is more durable than Rhino because he always wins in a fight.

Still waiting on which Saiyan had a planet explode on them and they survived it.

Also still waiting on Sacred's Goku lifting a planet feat.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Still waiting on which Saiyan had a planet explode on them and they survived it.








Take it up with him then

So you admit your just lying & trolling.

Cool beans. Night.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
So you admit your just lying & trolling.

Cool beans. Night.

>Lying accusations
>says monsieur "DBZ only only below bulletproof and Mach 5 at best"
>tries to weasel his way out powerscaling by saying Freiza is an alien as if that means shit in fiction debating where only feats matter, not titles

Good lord you're a joke, almost a polar opposite of Pencil even

If Freiza can tank a planet being kersploded on him, and Goku outclasses him in every respect, guess what that means? Yes, you guessed it, Goku can replicate that feats

Originally posted by pym-ftw
What Saiyan ever tanked a planet being destroyed? C'mon

Not anymore bs, who?

Already posted Goku pushing back a planet busting blast while weakend in base form.

Ignore. Double post.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Superman himself has feats beyond that threshold, Goku doesn't.
Your comparing apples to oranges.

According to your argument they can't do that because they didn't do it themselves even though they fought Supes and so on



Like I said, know little about Marvel, but if you gained a power increase that makes you outclass the opponent in every respect, then they can replicate the strength, speed, durability, DC feats of the far weaker character. Logic

Originally posted by StealthRanger
>Lying accusations
>says monsieur "DBZ only only below bulletproof and Mach 5 at best"
>tries to weasel his way out powerscaling by saying Freiza is an alien as if that means shit in fiction debating where only feats matter, not titles

Good lord you're a joke, almost a polar opposite of Pencil even

If Freiza can tank a planet being kersploded on him, and Goku outclasses him in every respect, guess what that means? Yes, you guessed it, Goku can replicate that feats you made claims you couldn't back up, that's all I'm asking. You lose little one go back to the playground. Originally posted by Werewolf582
Already posted Goku pushing back a planet busting blast while weakend in base form. the thing you were proven wrong about? From Bog which took SSJG Goku? Yep retard.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
you made claims you couldn't back up, that's all I'm asking. You lose little one go back to the playground. the thing you were proven wrong about? From Bog which took SSJG Goku? Yep retard.

You just proved you didn't watch the movie. Goku absorbed SSJG power and was keeping up with Beerus in SSJ1 AND a little in base form.

@ 8:33
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KJIBpTm5ej4

It's obvious that you are trolling. You need to actually watch the movie before debating.

Stay salty.

@14:20 he goes God form to block Beerus's attack...

Stay retarded. Liar

Originally posted by pym-ftw
@14:20 he goes God form to block Beerus's attack...

Stay retarded. Liar

No he completely stops it. He was pushing it back and kept the blast stationary several times in base form.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Stay retarded. Liar

Irony.

He is falling backwards... And accepting death

Yep totally stopped it

Liar

13:57

Well this can be closed

3 step up, 3 smacked down

Originally posted by pym-ftw
He is falling backwards... And accepting death

Yep totally stopped it

Liar

11:50

We see the blast staying still while beerus was talking. There were several moments where Goku was holding the blast stationary and at once pushed it a few inches back.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Liar

Irony.

11:50 the blast isn't in frame... Liar.

"This energy blast is going to do major damage, and I can't stop it" -Goku. Very next scene.

Watch the damn movie, liar.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Like I said, powerscaling is a thing in fiction, especially in anime/manga where normally any character of note is scaled to a single feat (of speed/DC) even, the only way such a thing would be invalid would be if Freiza had a specific technique for being able to survive on Namek while being bisected, which was never stated in canon so there is no reason to believe such a thing, this isn't Jedi or or Sith who specialist in different aspects of their power

And if Freiza can survive being on an exploding planet and planet bust, then a guy who outclassed him like SSJ Goku, much less Cell can damn well do it to (well, barring the whole lack of oxygen and can't breathe in space things anyhow)

Powerscaling<Scans
Powerscaling< Feats
Powerscaling=Statements

Powerscaling is a excuse not fact!

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Well this can be closed

3 step up, 3 smacked down

And now you want to thread to close cause you got smacked down pretty hard.

You can cut the act though. I've seen yiu debate in comic versus, so I know your doing this on purpose.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
11:50 the blast isn't in frame... Liar.

"This energy blast is going to do major damage, and I can't stop it" -Goku. Very next scene.

Watch the damn movie, liar.

The blast was staying still.

Irony.

He is actually right

Show us actual proof of the destructive capacity of the ball.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Powerscaling<Scans
Powerscaling< Feats
Powerscaling=Statements

Powerscaling is a excuse not fact!

Let me ask you a qeustion. Do you agree with this?


SSJ1 Goku's durability >>>>>> SSJ1 Trunks sword strikes >>>>>>> Friezas durability

I've caught you lying, your scum.

I'm done poking the retard, the blast isn't staying still... Keep watching it it still moving towards Earth.

F*cking Fantard.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Let me ask you a qeustion. Do you agree with this?


SSJ1 Goku's durability >>>>>> SSJ1 Trunks sword strikes >>>>>>> Friezas durability No, because Goku used ki for that.

Frieza's asspull survival is one of the most wanked things in the series too, he was supposed to die, and even when he came back due to asspull, he'd lost half of his head, that's not 'tanking', lol.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
He is actually right

Show us actual proof of the destructive capacity of the ball.


Before I do let me ask you question.

What's more powerful

DBZ physical attacks
Or thier ki blast


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Xlx1nEGc7k

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Let me ask you a qeustion. Do you agree with this?


SSJ1 Goku's durability >>>>>> SSJ1 Trunks sword strikes >>>>>>> Friezas durability
What's been shown SSJ 1 Trunks was fully grown and was above frieza so LOGICALLY

Goku SSJ1>>>SSJ Trunks>>>Cyborg Frieza

Also the fact of this bunch is goku had time to train in SSJ form when he was on that planet so again
Goku SSJ 1>>>>>SSJ Trunks>>>>Cyborg Frieza

But you see how I made a speculation?

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Before I do let me ask you question.

What's more powerful

DBZ physical attacks
Or thier ki blast


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Xlx1nEGc7k Their ki blasts by many nautical miles, those moons aren't very big, and this is still the best physical destructive feat in the series.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No, because Goku used ki for that.

Frieza's asspull survival is one of the most wanked things in the series too, he was supposed to die, and even when he came back due to asspull, he'd lost half of his head, that's not 'tanking', lol.

It happened though, you can't ignore it.

So your disagreeing with what was shown now? Sure, sounds fair.

It kinda is when you survive it, no?

We are making an assumption Frieza's people and Humans are biologically similar when no human in the series showed even close to Frieza's damage soak.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
It happened though, you can't ignore it.

So your disagreeing with what was shown now? Sure, sounds fair. Goku used ki.

Frieza was blown to bits and had to be rebuilt.

That's what was 'shown'.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Their ki blasts by many nautical miles, those moons aren't very big, and this is still the best physical destructive feat in the series.

Android 18 breaking SSJ1 vegetas leg with a kick alone puts her at planet level.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Goku used ki.

Frieza was blown to bits and had to be rebuilt.

That's what was 'shown'.

Wut?

Frieza survived, got rebuilt, then was killed by trunks. Trunks couldn't harm Goku.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Android 18 breaking SSJ1 vegetas leg with a kick alone puts her at planet level. I lol'd. Vegeta injured himself in 450x gravity, but breaking his leg with a kick is planet level. Sure, man. Pass me the jergens.

Don't get me wrong, Goku can destroy the entire Naruto setting in one ki attack. But planet level his physical durability is not.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
It kinda is when you survive it, no?

We are making an assumption Frieza's people and Humans are biologically similar when no human in the series showed even close to Frieza's damage soak.

They are not biologically similar. And Goku has better durability than Frieza. Frieza would last 2 seconds againist cell.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Wut?

Frieza survived, got rebuilt, then was killed by trunks. Trunks couldn't harm Goku. Trunks couldn't get through Goku's ki*

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I lol'd. Vegeta injured himself in 450x gravity, but breaking his leg with a kick is planet level. Sure, man. Pass me the jergens.

Don't get me wrong, Goku can destroy the entire Naruto setting in one ki attack. But planet level his physical durability is not.

Lowballing.

Gokus Durability >>>>> Friezas durability > planet level,

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No, because Goku used ki for that.

Frieza's asspull survival is one of the most wanked things in the series too, he was supposed to die, and even when he came back due to asspull, he'd lost half of his head, that's not 'tanking', lol.
Hahaha

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Trunks couldn't get through Goku's ki*

So he couldn't harm him. Ki amps durability, Trunks couldn't hurt Goku.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod

Goku SSJ1>>>SSJ Trunks>>>Cyborg Frieza



This was the only thing in your post that made sense.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Lowballing.

Gokus Durability >>>>> Friezas durability > planet level,
Frieza was blown apart by a weak ass chain reaction in Namek's core and had to be rebuilt, and he was meant to die when Namek exploded anyway.

So, lolno.

His ki durability may well be in that range, physically he's got quite a bit to fear from Iron Man.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I lol'd. Vegeta injured himself in 450x gravity, but breaking his leg with a kick is planet level. Sure, man. Pass me the jergens.

Don't get me wrong, Goku can destroy the entire Naruto setting in one ki attack. But planet level his physical durability is not.
Ki=Chakra.......

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Frieza was blown apart by a weak ass chain reaction in Namek's core and had to be rebuilt, and he was meant to die when Namek exploded anyway.

So, lolno.

His ki durability may well be in that range, physically he's got quite a bit to fear from Iron Man.

He was meant to die but he survived.

Yes.

Lol, major lowballing.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Ki=Chakra.......

No it doesn't. Who told you that bullshit?

Originally posted by Werewolf582
This was the only thing in your post that made sense.
Nothing you said in this entire thread is true.....
Nothing you said in this entire thread is fact......

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Ki=Chakra....... And then Goku one shots the entire setting.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
No it doesn't. Who told you that bullshit?
If you actually do research you would actually notice the similarities and same draw backs.