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Creel gets high intelligence for this one

Firestorm should take this fight with ease, he has understanding of Creel abilities and could fight from safe distance or breakdown whatever Creel absorbed.

Surprisingly enough, the only real way I see FS winning is if he let AM grab him. Why? Because the Matrix (where Firestorm's power comes from) contains infinite energy. Thus AM could potentially overload himself.

Other then that..?

He could transmute AM into air.

Absorbing Man strikes me as *more* easy for Firestorm to beat than a normal villain. He turns himself into stuff that can be transmuted!

So Firestorm should have a pretty easy time of it.

Originally posted by batdude123
He could transmute AM into air. True. But an 'intelligent' AM (as this thread specifies) should be able to absorb the transmutational energy used against him, thus negating the offensive attack it was originally meant to be.

Originally posted by Galan007
True. But an 'intelligent' AM (as this thread specifies) should be able to absorb the transmutational energy used against him, thus negating the offensive attack it was originally meant to be. you just pulled that outta your backside

Originally posted by Galan007
True. But an 'intelligent' AM (as this thread specifies) should be able to absorb the transmutational energy used against him, thus negating the offensive attack it was originally meant to be.

mmm

Perhaps. Though, when has Creel demonstrated the ability to do this?

Originally posted by batdude123
mmm

Perhaps. Though, when has Creel demonstrated the ability to this? Demonstrated intelligence? Never.

Wait... Earth X saga, maybe?

Yeah, Earth X AM was definitely more intelligent than his 616 counterpart.

That being said, there's also a power discrepancy there as well.

Originally posted by Galan007
Demonstrated intelligence? No...when has he demonstrated the ability to absorb transmutational energy as you claim?

And what MB said.

i think this is an awesome fight...but jeeze im not sure...firestorm could transform the floor into lava but creel could turn into lava....soo i guess who ever tires out first loses...

Originally posted by batdude123
Yeah, Earth X AM was definitely more intelligent than his 616 counterpart.

That being said, there's also a power discrepancy there as well. Agreed. I'ze just saying that if 616 AM were gifted with extreme intelligence, the only way I could see FS winning is the way I mentioned earlier.

Originally posted by batdude123
And what MB said. I ignore all of his posts. You'll have to ask for me to respond.

Originally posted by Galan007

I ignore all of his posts. What did I ever do to you?

Originally posted by Galan007
Agreed. I'ze just saying that if 616 AM were gifted with extreme intelligence, the only way I could see FS winning is the way I mentioned earlier.

I ignore all of his posts. You'll have to ask for me to respond.

Masterbruce: "When has (616 AM) demonstrated the ability to absorb transmutational energy as you claim?"

Originally posted by batdude123
"When has (616 AM) demonstrated the ability to absorb transmutational energy as you claim?" Considering the energies he's absorbed in the past (all of Asgard, for starters), I don't think it's illogical to assume he could absorb Firestorm's transmutational attacks.

jeez, this is ridiculous. batdude quoting me repeating batdude's initial inquiry.

galan, I'm sorry if I offended you somehow. please stop putting me on ignore pls

Originally posted by Galan007
Considering the energies he's absorbed in the past (all of Asgard, for starters), I don't think it's illogical to assume he could absorb Firestorm's transmutational attacks.

Granted, but there's a difference between AM absorbing something of his own volition by touching it, and having FS directly transmute him into air (which Thor has done to defeat him a couple times, iirc).

I don't see how greater intelligence would help in that respect, but that's just me.

And like I said before, EX Creel had abilities that 616 Creel does not have, so it's more than just a difference in intellect.

firestorm could transform AM into a drug and sell it to people...causing them to gain temporary powers............whistling

Originally posted by batdude123
Granted, but there's a difference between AM absorbing something of his own volition by touching it, and having FS directly transmute him into air (which Thor has done to defeat him a couple times, iirc).

I don't see how greater intelligence would help in that respect, but that's just me.

And like I said before, EX Creel had abilities that 616 Creel does not have, so it's more than just a difference in intellect. AM has absorbed offensive energy attacks used against him in the past. Personally, I don't think there's anything that FS could dish out that AM wouldn't be able to assimilate. That's just me, though.

Originally posted by Galan007
AM has absorbed offensive energy attacks used against him in the past. Personally, I don't think there's anything that FS could dish out that AM wouldn't be able to assimilate. That;s just me, though.

Right, he absorbs anything he comes in contact with. That isn't the same, however, as FS directly transmuting his body as I was suggesting.

Originally posted by batdude123
Right, he absorbs anything he comes in contact with. That isn't the same, however, as FS directly transmuting his body as I was suggesting. It's still an energy attack, though. Personally I think a transmutational attack would work for a few seconds at most, before an intelligent AM simply rebuilt himself.

Originally posted by Galan007
It's still an energy attack, though. Personally I think a transmutational attack would work for a few seconds at most, before an intelligent AM simply rebuilt himself.

So he would become... "transmutational energy"? What?

You're reaching here, imo. I don't see how having his IQ being a few points higher means he'd be able to rebuild his body back to his "normal" form after being turned to air when that has defeated him on numerous occasions. It's a matter of sheer ability, not intellect, imo.

Though, I do recognize the fact that you're speculating about all this. I just simply don't agree.

I agree with batdude here...there might be a possibility for him to do that but the most probable scenario is not to do such a thing IMO

Originally posted by batdude123
So he would become... "transmutational energy"? What?

You're reaching here, imo. I don't see how having his IQ being a few points higher means he'd be able to rebuild his body back to his "normal" form after being turned to air when that has defeated him on numerous occasions. It's a matter of sheer ability, not intellect, imo.

Though, I do recognize the fact that you're speculating about all this. I just simply don't agree. Yeah it's definitely all speculation on my part, because we've never really seen a 'competent' AM. I just think that with an increase in his intelligence, he'd be able to not only absorb almost any type of energy attack used against him, but also gain a degree of mastery over said energy, very quickly. I think he's certainly got the ability to do so, based on what he's absorbed in the past - and with the mental prowess to use whatever he absorbs wisely, I think he could rebuild himself from a direct transmutational attack almost instantly (much how Sentry reconfigured himself after being atomized by Molecule Man.)

Can't be certain, but it seems plausible imo.

Still seems like a reach to me.

You're granting him extra abilities that, at least imo, seem to be independent of a higher intellect.

^ That's where my opinion differs. I think he's got the ability now, but lacks the intellect to use that ability to it's max.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ That's where my opinion differs. I think he's got the ability now, but lacks the intellect to use that ability to it's max.

I have to agree with this, most of the reasons why AM doesnt do as well as hes supposed to do is because he lacks the intelligence. Imo thats his kryptonite, people can out smart him ftw.

Originally posted by batdude123
And like I said before, EX Creel had abilities that 616 Creel does not have, so it's more than just a difference in intellect.

What abilities? Earth X Creel was just him at full potential.