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How would this fight turn out?

Who's TGE beast?

Great Evil Beast
This entity was created the moment God uttered the words "Let there be light", incarnating everything opposing the light the Presence brought; still, it was but a newborn entity, and was easily put to rest in its own realm. As the Great Darkness, is mentioned as a mass of infinite darkness threatening Hell itself. When the earth-shattering events of the Crisis on Infinite Earths struck, a group of mystic madmen calling themselves the Brujeria attempted to conduct a mystic ritual to contact the Great Darkness; unsurprisingly, it went awry and instead the entity awoke as a furious beast, unknowing of its own power and confused about its existence.
It ended encountering a number of mystical heroes (Etrigan, Dr. Fate, the Spectre), who unwittingly angered the being and directed it against Heaven, leaving only the defeated heroes behind. They did this unknowingly, despite their best intentions; Etrigan taught it Darkness was Evil, Dr. Fate told him that Evil was Despisable, and the Spectre instructed it with the concept of Revenge. Infuriated, the being sought to assault Heaven to demand answers from the Presence as to its existence, trampling all it crossed paths with. This power was so huge, it caused Hell's main three figures-Lucifer, Azrael and Beelzebub, to form a triumvirate to defend themselves should the Great Darkness decide it wanted Hell as its realm. A different faction, led by the Demons Three, banded together to follow the Darkness, whom they saw as the ultimate sin and evil.
However, when the Great Darkness reached the gates of the Silver City of Heaven, it extended its hand, and something happened nobody had foreseen; the Presence extended His. When both Hands touched, both the ultimate light and the supreme dark merged together, forming the perfect balance as a form of Yin/Yang.
The realm of the Great Darkness, an expanse of complete and utter darkness, has been referred to as the power source for characters like Richard Swift (the Shade), his archenemy Culp, Shadow-Thief, Nightshade, Ian Karkull, and Alan Scott's son Obsidian
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Evil_Beast>

Originally posted by supremthor
This entity was created the moment God uttered the words "Let there be light", incarnating everything opposing the light the Presence brought; still, it was but a newborn entity, and was easily put to rest in its own realm. As the Great Darkness, is mentioned as a mass of infinite darkness threatening Hell itself. When the earth-shattering events of the Crisis on Infinite Earths struck, a group of mystic madmen calling themselves the Brujeria attempted to conduct a mystic ritual to contact the Great Darkness; unsurprisingly, it went awry and instead the entity awoke as a furious beast, unknowing of its own power and confused about its existence.
It ended encountering a number of mystical heroes (Etrigan, Dr. Fate, the Spectre), who unwittingly angered the being and directed it against Heaven, leaving only the defeated heroes behind. They did this unknowingly, despite their best intentions; Etrigan taught it Darkness was Evil, Dr. Fate told him that Evil was Despisable, and the Spectre instructed it with the concept of Revenge. Infuriated, the being sought to assault Heaven to demand answers from the Presence as to its existence, trampling all it crossed paths with. This power was so huge, it caused Hell's main three figures-Lucifer, Azrael and Beelzebub, to form a triumvirate to defend themselves should the Great Darkness decide it wanted Hell as its realm. A different faction, led by the Demons Three, banded together to follow the Darkness, whom they saw as the ultimate sin and evil.
However, when the Great Darkness reached the gates of the Silver City of Heaven, it extended its hand, and something happened nobody had foreseen; the Presence extended His. When both Hands touched, both the ultimate light and the supreme dark merged together, forming the perfect balance as a form of Yin/Yang.
The realm of the Great Darkness, an expanse of complete and utter darkness, has been referred to as the power source for characters like Richard Swift (the Shade), his archenemy Culp, Shadow-Thief, Nightshade, Ian Karkull, and Alan Scott's son Obsidian
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Evil_Beast> Beyonder wins.

Beast. He was the opposite of God.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Beast. He was the opposite of God. and beyonder was above god.

Not the Presence God. GEB existed even before God and is pure darkness. You can't destroy him.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Not the Presence God. GEB existed even before God and is pure darkness. You can't destroy him. In the thanos w/ HOTU vs. presence thread there was debate about who would win between these two and beyonder=HOTU
Basically Beyonder=/=Presence.

And IMO, Presence would defeat Thanos W/HOTU or a stalemate at best. GEB can't be destroyed and even made an AMPED Spectre look like a flea.

Omnipotents stalemate.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
In the thanos w/ HOTU vs. presence thread there was debate about who would win between these two and beyonder=HOTU
Basically Beyonder=/=Presence.

The Beyonder is not and never equal to The Presence or TOAA. He may have been like him in some ways but he is still not in that league (not at all). TGEB

Originally posted by Black bolt z
and beyonder was above god.

Is this supported anyplace in the story?

I'd like references or scans, if possible. As far as I'm aware, TOOA was no more mentioned in the Secret War than The Presence was in Emperor Joker or Crisis Times Five, yet a lot of people insist 5d imps are more powerful than the presence...

I don't think Post Retcon Beyonder would pose any threat whatsoever.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
And IMO, Presence would defeat Thanos W/HOTU or a stalemate at best. GEB can't be destroyed and even made an AMPED Spectre look like a flea.

Hey, Spectre put up a good fight against GEB's fingernail!

PR Beyonder..

Originally posted by Blanket
I don't think Post Retcon Beyonder would pose any threat whatsoever.




This is about pre-retcon.Originally posted by cdtm
Is this supported anyplace in the story?

I'd like references or scans, if possible. As far as I'm aware, TOOA was no more mentioned in the Secret War than The Presence was in Emperor Joker or Crisis Times Five, yet a lot of people insist 5d imps are more powerful than the presence... That depends on how you define god.Odin could be god.Galactus could be god.Living tribunal could be god.Beyonder surpasses them all.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
This is about pre-retcon. That depends on how you define god.Odin could be god.Galactus could be god.Living tribunal could be god.Beyonder surpasses them all.

He did (Except for Tribunal. That's another one I'd like sources on..)

..but that's still not proof he surpassed TOOA.

Protege claimed he surpassed him too, and no one really believe him. Villains love to exaggerate.

Originally posted by cdtm
He did (Except for Tribunal. That's another one I'd like sources on..)

..but that's still not proof he surpassed TOOA.

Protege claimed he surpassed him too, and no one really believe him. Villains love to exaggerate.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/687126/tremble.jpg.html#

Originally posted by galactusischere
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/687126/tremble.jpg.html#

Well, damn.

Thanks. ^_^

Beyonder seems to be equal to PM. So Beyonder wins.

Originally posted by galactusischere
Omnipotents stalemate.

Probably. Pretty much the only thing that affected GEB was Presence light, IIRC. Beyonder doesn't have that.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Probably. Pretty much the only thing that affected GEB was Presence light, IIRC. Beyonder doesn't have that.

Not even that really. GEB chose to merge with Presence, instead of fight.