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This is h2h with no gadgets.They are both peak human or slightly superhuman.
Who wins?

Well.... He handled Rorschach and Nightowl pretty easily (both with about a 5 to 6 fighting level).

Not sure if that's enough to withstand a bat-kick though...

you guys kno where my vote is. ozy takes this, but not easily

Batman's a proven commodity. We know how elite his H2H skills are, without basing it off of beating 2-3 characters of questionable talent.

Batman's gotta get the win here.

watchmen has plenty of background information about ozymandias.

I'm gonna go with ozy

The Goddamn Batman

Comic Batman vs movie Ozy is a toss-up in pure h2H.

Comics bats vs Comic Ozy is a stomp for bats.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Comic Batman vs movie Ozy is a toss-up in pure h2H.

Comics bats vs Comic Ozy is a stomp for bats.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Comic Batman vs movie Ozy is a toss-up in pure h2H.

Comics bats vs Comic Ozy is a stomp for bats.

comic ozy is exactly the same as movie, if not a little better

I would love to here your logic behind that.

Movie Ozy was a bullet timer and had elevated physical strength.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Comic Batman vs movie Ozy is a toss-up in pure h2H.

Comics bats vs Comic Ozy is a stomp for bats.

Ozy is almost like Slade and Bane.

Edge to Ozy

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
comic ozy is exactly the same as movie, if not a little better It's not better but considering almost all the movie was exactly like the book it's probably safe to assume that the book was meant to look like that.

Ozy IMO for a slight slight majority.

Batman stomps.

Batman via TKO

Originally posted by Black bolt z
It's not better but considering almost all the movie was exactly like the book it's probably safe to assume that the book was meant to look like that.

Ozy IMO for a slight slight majority.
In the comic the detectives discuss how it probably would have taken two or three people to do some of what Ozy had done, like kicking open a deadbolted door and picking up and throwing a 220 lb man through plate glass windows.

I think movie Ozy appeared to be stronger and faster and he was certainly faster but they were about the same in terms of strength.

Really if you look at the feats of everyone in that movie even Silk Specter II could qualify for Peak status given how she sent one of the Knot Tops flying with a kick. And how she and Dan were easily breaking limbs with their punches.

Movie Ozy's durability is thus rather impressive considering that when Dan was super-pissed bone-breaking punches barely drew blood after five or six free shots.

As said before Movie Ozy due to extreme damage soak and superior speed could take Bats but comic Ozy gets beaten rather handily.

I wonder how would Ozy deal with some sonics?

Bats has beaten Slade, Bane and other low end/enhanced superhumans before. Oxy would just be one more victim.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Bats has beaten Slade, Bane and other low end/enhanced superhumans before. Oxy would just be one more victim.
I don't believe he's ever beaten Venom Bane. He beats or (just as often) stalemates with non-Venomed Bane and as for Deathstroke that isn't really accurate, Slade has beaten Bats way more than the reverse and I can't think of a single clean victory Bruce has over Slade that didn't involve help or Slade being distracted.

I don't see how people think Ozy has superior stats to Batman.

Originally posted by batdude123
I don't see how people think Ozy has superior stats to Batman.
Not superior. But certainly comparable. Especially with Movie Ozy. Ozy may even have an edge in reflexes seeing as Batman has never (to my knowledge) caught a bullet that was fired while his back was mostly turned.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Not superior. But certainly comparable. Especially with Movie Ozy. Ozy may even have an edge in reflexes seeing as Batman has never (to my knowledge) caught a bullet that was fired while his back was mostly turned.

Maybe not caught, but swatting away machine gunfire with his forearm is a more impressive feat imo.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batbulletblock.jpg

Originally posted by batdude123
Maybe not caught, but swatting away machine gunfire with his forearm is a more impressive feat imo.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batbulletblock.jpg
Yes and no. The fact that he swatted multiple bullets is more impressive than if it were just a single bullet but catching and blocking are two very different things.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Yes and no. The fact that he swatted multiple bullets is more impressive than if it were just a single bullet but catching and blocking are two very different things.

Swatting away multiple bullets is much more impressive.

Originally posted by batdude123
Swatting away multiple bullets is much more impressive.
Not to mention much more impossible. Also his Bat gauntlets must be pretty ****ing tough because even if they didn't penetrate the bullets would still leave serious bruises or maybe even fracture/shatter his wrist.

Then again it is Batman.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Not to mention much more impossible. Also his Bat gauntlets must be pretty ****ing tough because even if they didn't penetrate the bullets would still leave serious bruises or maybe even fracture/shatter his wrist.

Then again it is Batman.

Ozy 10/10.

He caught bullets and shit.

Originally posted by batdude123

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http://shortpacked.com/comics/2005-02-18-a.gif

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Ozy 10/10.

He caught bullets and shit.

He caught shit before.....who was throwing it?

Thats gross......

Originally posted by Omega Vision
http://shortpacked.com/comics/2005-01-31-a.gif
http://shortpacked.com/comics/2005-02-18-a.gif

Even if Ozy had a physical edge he isn't the fighter Batman is. Batgod ftw

Originally posted by iceman24567
Even if Ozy had a physical edge he isn't the fighter Batman is. Batgod ftw

Originally posted by iceman24567
Even if Ozy had a physical edge

Wishful thinking.

all movie ozy got over batman is maybe and i repeat just MAYBE speed thats it, fighting skills goes to batman, durability and damage soak goes to batman since ozy was all bleeding after 5 punches from dan, strength goes to batman he did crazy things before what did ozy do? throw a man out of a bulletproof window?

Originally posted by The Nuul
He caught shit before.....who was throwing it?

Thats gross...... Bullets AND shit!Thats it.Ozy stomps!

comic book talks about how ozy is AT LEAST peak human in the text excerpts

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Movie Ozy was a bullet timer and had elevated physical strength.

He did the exact same thing in the comics....

Originally posted by Omega Vision
comic Ozy gets beaten rather handily.

Aside from being punched multiple times w/o fighting back, everything that Ozy did in the comics he did in the movies as well. Aside from the costume looking cooler in the movie, there's not much difference...

My memory is a little hazy, but I don't remember the comic versions of any of the characters having the strength of a thousand men like they did in the movie.

That would be because they didn't.

The fight scene in the GN was completely different as well. Rorschach and Nite Owl went down in one hit each. Owl was pwned by a plate FFS. No displays of strength or skill anywhere near Batman.

once again, text excerpts from the comic

Batman stomps.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Explain.

Better feats in every category you'd like to bring up.

Originally posted by batdude123
Better feats in every category you'd like to bring up. Like?The common concensus is the ozy is slightly superhuman.Batman is peak human.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Like?The common concensus is the ozy is slightly superhuman.Batman is peak human.

Frankly, that argument doesn't cut it when Batman has been shown to be superior in everything.

Originally posted by batdude123
Frankly, that argument doesn't cut it when Batman has been shown to be superior in everything. And how many showings has he done these in?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
And how many showings has he done these in?

Open a Batman comic book.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Like?The common concensus is the ozy is slightly superhuman.Batman is peak human. Making imaginary consensuses is an argument now?

^
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Is Ozy peak human or slightly superhuman? Originally posted by McNasty996
superhuman im thinking Originally posted by Lord_Talron
theres several indications in the book that lead me to believe he is slightly superhuman

I guess the 12 issue limited series with very little feats >> every Batman comic since 1939.

Batman would beat Ozy, way better and more feats.

iirc, he was written as an olympic level athlete and that it was impressive because he was in his 40s. The only thing I recall that would lead someone to believe he's superhuman is when they said it was rumored he's fast enough to catch a bullet.

All in all, he doesn't have any feats, or even theories, that would put him over Batman.

Originally posted by The Nuul
I guess the 12 issue limited series >> every Batman comic since 1939.

Batman would beat Ozy, way better and more feats. No but if batmans most consistent showings say that he is peak human and ozy's 12 issues show he is slightly superhuman we have to draw form that.
The most consistent showings.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
^

So 2 people is a common consensus? Lulz.

Again, this laughable attempt at a "point" doesn't in any way suggest a reason for why Ozymandias is supposedly above Batman, especially when he doesn't have the feats to justify such a claim.

Read some Batman comics.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Read some Batman comics.

Indeed.

It becomes quite clear when you have at least a fundamental understanding of Batman.

Bats has beaten low superhumans and enhanced humans before not that Ozy has many feats on this level to begin with. And also Ozy is NO Cap. This will not be like an Cap, Slade or Bane vs Bats fight.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Ozy is almost like Slade and Bane.

But lacks the feats. If there were more issues and feats then Ozy might be on their level.

Originally posted by The Nuul
But lacks the feats. If there were more issues and feats then Ozy might be on their level. Why did you quote yourself?

He has a grandeur complex.

Why not?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Why did you quote yourself?

Added some stuff to it, since I couldnt edit.

He was basically saying:

"Ozymandias is like Bane and Slade, but not at all."

Originally posted by batdude123
He was basically saying:

"Ozymandias is like Bane and Slade, but not at all."

its a paradox!

Yeah, this is a paradox, but not at all.

im just like god, but really not

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
im just like a hobo.Really fix'd

ya got meh!

Originally posted by Black bolt z
fix'd

Reported for editing someones quote.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Reported for editing someones quote. But he enjoyed it!

Originally posted by Black bolt z
But he enjoyed it!

dur313

mmm


mhmm

Originally posted by batdude123
He was basically saying:

"Ozymandias is like Bane and Slade, but not at all."


Sounds reasonable, and yet irrational.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Sounds reasonable, and yet irrational. who's the new character on your sig?

That's Mordru.

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
once again, text excerpts from the comic
I don't remember anybody ripping the buildings apart like they were made of particle board or kicking people across the room with a flick of their toe in text excerpts in the comics.

Originally posted by Juntai
That's Mordru.
The best magical villain in DC comics.

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
I don't remember anybody ripping the buildings apart like they were made of particle board or kicking people across the room with a flick of their toe in text excerpts in the comics.

Well, they did show Ozy tossing a 250-pound man (The Comedian) out of a reinforced window in the comic.

On top of that, he caught a bullet in the same manner as the movie.

I don't think he wins against batman, but to imply that the movie Ozy is far superior to the comic character is simply not true.

Batman. He has so many more feats that it really isn't even funny. Throwing a 250 lb man through a reinforced glass window is in no way out of Batman's level of ability. Sure Ozy caught a bullet, but he that is about his only valid feat that is impressive. Also catching a bullet is stupid, why catch a bullet when you could dodge it?

I'm going with the man who has demonstrated the ability to lift 1,000 pounds over his head, knows at least 127 forms of combat, and literally has decades of feats to back him up instead of one graphic novel.

Originally posted by Lunacyde
Batman. He has so many more feats that it really isn't even funny. Throwing a 250 lb man through a reinforced glass window is in no way out of Batman's level of ability. Sure Ozy caught a bullet, but he that is about his only valid feat that is impressive. Also catching a bullet is stupid, why catch a bullet when you could dodge it?

I'm going with the man who has demonstrated the ability to lift 1,000 pounds over his head, knows at least 127 forms of combat, and literally has decades of feats to back him up instead of one graphic novel. I'm just going to say this.I hate it when people say that.Your saying batman has more feats.Your implying that thats why he wins.Just because batman is in more comics doesn't mean he is stronger.Thats like saying daredevil>Juggarnaut because matt is in more comics.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I'm just going to say this.I hate it when people say that.Your saying batman has more feats.Your implying that thats why he wins.Just because batman is in more comics doesn't mean he is stronger.Thats like saying daredevil>Juggarnaut because matt is in more comics.

Lolwtf?

That is one of the worst analogies you could possibly make. If Daredevil had superior feats to Juggernaut, then you're analogy would be acceptable, but he doesn't. However, if the above were true, then you're entire argument would be null, as it would generally be accepted that DD is superior.

In any case, people like to use the example of Ozymandias throwing the Comedian through a reinforced window as an indication of his strength. I'll give you a directly comparable feat of Batman's that is >>>>>>>> Ozymandias' feat.

Batman throws Dr. Death through a reinforced metal door that was built to withstand cruise missiles.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batmissiledoor1.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batmissiledoor2.jpg

The bottom line is that Batman is simply better than Ozymandias in every category.

Originally posted by batdude123
Lolwtf?

That is one of the worst analogies you could possibly make. If Daredevil had superior feats to Juggernaut, then you're analogy would be acceptable, but he doesn't. However, if the above were true, then you're entire argument would be null, as it would generally be accepted that DD is superior.

In any case, people like to use the example of Ozymandias throwing the Comedian through a reinforced window as an indication of his strength. I'll give you a directly comparable feat of Batman's that is >>>>>>>> Ozymandias' feat.

Batman throws Dr. Death through a reinforced metal door that was built to withstand cruise missiles.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batmissiledoor1.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batmissiledoor2.jpg

The bottom line is that Batman is simply better than Ozymandias in every category.
All hail Batgod and his hidden Class 100+ strength.

Also:
http://shortpacked.com/comics-archive/2006-09-18-howareyou.png

"maybe i was wrong about that door"


thats either big-time PIS or the door was much weaker than thought. cmon, be smart, bats doesnt have that type of str

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
"maybe i was wrong about that door"


thats either big-time PIS or the door was much weaker than thought. cmon, be smart, bats doesnt have that type of str
Apostate.

!

Originally posted by batdude123
Lolwtf?

That is one of the worst analogies you could possibly make. If Daredevil had superior feats to Juggernaut, then you're analogy would be acceptable, but he doesn't. However, if the above were true, then you're entire argument would be null, as it would generally be accepted that DD is superior.

In any case, people like to use the example of Ozymandias throwing the Comedian through a reinforced window as an indication of his strength. I'll give you a directly comparable feat of Batman's that is >>>>>>>> Ozymandias' feat.

Batman throws Dr. Death through a reinforced metal door that was built to withstand cruise missiles.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batmissiledoor1.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batmissiledoor2.jpg

The bottom line is that Batman is simply better than Ozymandias in every category. What I was talking about is some people day that someone is better then someone else because they have more feats.For the amound of info we have on ozy we have to take from that and those are impressive feats.Originally posted by Lord_Talron
"maybe i was wrong about that door"


thats either big-time PIS or the door was much weaker than thought. cmon, be smart, bats doesnt have that type of str This is true.Obivously the door was not that strong.

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
"maybe i was wrong about that door"


thats either big-time PIS or the door was much weaker than thought. cmon, be smart, bats doesnt have that type of str

Dr. Death is one of the smartest scientists on the face of the planet.

Regardless of what you want to nitpick at, it's pretty undeniable that that feat by Batman is more impressive than Ozymandias'.

And in any case, there's are tons upon TONS of feats to pull from that showcase the fact that Batman is superior to Ozymandias outside of the one example I used. Do you want to label all of those feats PIS too?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
What I was talking about is some people day that someone is better then someone else because they have more feats.For the amound of info we have on ozy we have to take from that and those are impressive feats.

You're missing the point.

The justification behind Batman's superiority isn't simply that "he's in more comics than Ozymandias." Nobody is saying that.

Originally posted by RomulusX
Well, they did show Ozy tossing a 250-pound man (The Comedian) out of a reinforced window in the comic.

On top of that, he caught a bullet in the same manner as the movie.

I don't think he wins against batman, but to imply that the movie Ozy is far superior to the comic character is simply not true.
In the movie he was kicking and throwing Rorschach and Niteowl across the room. Though in the same respect, everyone upped the ante in the movie. I was not expecting so much exposed bone when Niteowl and Silk Spectre fought those thugs.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I'm just going to say this.I hate it when people say that.Your saying batman has more feats.Your implying that thats why he wins.Just because batman is in more comics doesn't mean he is stronger.Thats like saying daredevil>Juggarnaut because matt is in more comics.

You are misinterpreting what I wrote. I am not saying that Batman wins because he has been in more comics, I am saying that Batman wins because for every feat you give me for Ozy I can find multiple for Batman that are equally impressive or possibly even more so. I am basicallly saying the factual base of my argument has a lot more evidence to back it, therefore is much more sound than a defense of Ozy which is based on a handful of feats in one Graphic novel.