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Balder the Brave vs. Wolverine

Random Encounter

only random thing about it is if logan happens to be cruising into asgard these two wouldnt meet otherwise and balder would beat him down in asgard like a red headed stepchild

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
only random thing about it is if logan happens to be cruising into asgard these two wouldnt meet otherwise and balder would beat him down in asgard like a red headed stepchild

This is current Balder from current Asgard, btw. He's very much able to be killed. Classic Balder in Classic Asgard would probably stomp.

Fight also takes place in neutral setting.

balder doesnt reallly have many feats that would be considered impressive or something logan hasnt faced b4.. logan can get the majority here.

Balder's still pretty awesome.

Class 50, enchanted sword... someone to be wary of.

I'm betting on the class 50 guy.

Originally posted by moonknight11
I'm betting on the class 50 guy. I hope not only cause he's class 50.

Originally posted by Q99
Balder's still pretty awesome.

Class 50, enchanted sword... someone to be wary of.
nice new feat for balder,,,, i'll bet on the healing factor guy

Baldur is a decent fighter. Enough to atleast defend himself from wolverine but what about his magical abilities. Yes it's nice he can overcome hood's magic and shoot the bullet back with the same power and then some..

I like baldur but logan got a nice history of ass kicking and feats.

Balder incinerates the flesh from Wolverine's body or tosses a pie at him at the speed of light.

erm... this not even a contest
Balder recently displayed his long unused "light" based powers. if it's still the same, it will melt wolvies flesh off his bones. plus can wolvie redirect a bullet back at it's shooter with his claws?

Balder
9/10

no but wolvie doesnt usually carry a gun and logan can take a bullet and even block it..

balder definitely

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
no but wolvie doesnt usually carry a gun and logan can take a bullet and even block it..


im talking about the difference in their speed and skill

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
im talking about the difference in their speed and skill

Typhoid Mary has done it, its no big shakes in either the speed or skill category.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Typhoid Mary has done it, its no big shakes in either the speed or skill category.



oh yeah? can she redirect a magic bullet?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
oh yeah? can she redirect a magic bullet?




Maybe?

I always thought Typhoid Mary's feat was the greatest bullet feat done (Unless I'm recalling it wrong.) until I saw Balder to his.

Hmm.. I wonder how much Wolvie's claws can penetrate into Balder's flesh if he connects well. Goes the same also for Balder connecting a good stab or slash on Wolverine. Can Balder's Sword of Frey cut through or slice through adamantium???? (with a class 50 str behind it)

Daredevils the best bullet feat

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I always thought Typhoid Mary's feat was the greatest bullet feat done (Unless I'm recalling it wrong.) until I saw Balder to his.

It was pretty cool. Down the sword blade, into the shooters mouth. I think DD batting a bullet back it the shooter with his billy club is the best though.

Daredevil's senses would give him a bit of a warning wouldn't it?

spiderman's bullet dodging chasing bullets is better

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
spiderman's bullet dodging chasing bullets is better

The funny thing is we see a random guy flailing *several* times while the bullet was en-route, so either that was the slowest bullet ever or random thug was quicksilver

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Daredevil's senses would give him a bit of a warning wouldn't it?

Less than Typhoid Mary's telepathy.

Originally posted by Q99
The funny thing is we see a random guy flailing *several* times while the bullet was en-route, so either that was the slowest bullet ever or random thug was quicksilver

Like Star Wars lasers visible in the same frame as C-3P0 shuffling around like a zombie. I could reflect something moving at that speed.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It was pretty cool. Down the sword blade, into the shooters mouth. I think DD batting a bullet back it the shooter with his billy club is the best though.


Balder's gotta be the best. First off it was a magic bullet. Plus the way he did it was just was one of those comic moments when you go "Oh shieeeet!! Boy just got plizzzayed!!!" He didn't just bat it back to him with his sword. He basically took his sword, let the bullet slide on the blade, then seamlessly waved his sword back at the Hood seemingly all in one flawless motion. He basically used the bullets own momentum. It was a thing of beauty.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Less than Typhoid Mary's telepathy.

Touche. I forgot about that little trait. What issue did the feat happen again? Issue 97 right?

I was surprised that she was Mutant Zero.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Balder's gotta be the best. First off it was a magic bullet. Plus the way he did it was just was one of those comic moments when you go "Oh shieeeet!! Boy just got plizzzayed!!!" He didn't just bat it back to him with his sword. He basically took his sword, let the bullet slide on the blade, then seamlessly waved his sword back at the Hood seemingly all in one flawless motion. He basically used the bullets own momentum. It was a thing of beauty.

Which is what Typhoid Mary did, only she was in melee range, and evading additional gun fire while it happened.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Touche. I forgot about that little trait. What issue did the feat happen again? Issue 97 right?

I was surprised that she was Mutant Zero.

47

Thanks.

Between his sun powers, his sword skill, his strength, his speed and his godly stamina, he wins pretty handily.

Balder 8/10.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Between his sun powers, his sword skill, his strength, his speed and his godly stamina, he wins pretty handily.

Balder 8/10.





agree

logan dodges his blast...

with logan's damage soak from adamantium healing factor that can tank firelord blast... his fighting lvl skill backed by adamantium claws and karnak lvl blows his ability to fight for days due to his mutant physiology stamina i give it to logan handedly.. also history of killing gods and demons seals the deal

logan 8/10

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
logan dodges his blast...

with logan's damage soak from adamantium healing factor that can tank firelord blast... his fighting lvl skill backed by adamantium claws and karnak lvl blows his ability to fight for days due to his mutant physiology stamina i give it to logan handedly.. also history of killing gods and demons seals the deal

logan 8/10


I suppose he's gonna dodge an area effect attack eh? I never knew he can jump and evade such long distances.........

he has jumped a ravine once....
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Strength/UncannyX-Men33202-03SuperJump.jpg

erm...
that doesn't show how far he actually leaped.
and how will be beat Balder if all he does is try to run away from his mystic attack. that's considered a loss.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
logan dodges his blast...

with logan's damage soak from adamantium healing factor that can tank firelord blast... his fighting lvl skill backed by adamantium claws and karnak lvl blows his ability to fight for days due to his mutant physiology stamina i give it to logan handedly.. also history of killing gods and demons seals the deal

logan 8/10 Balder has always radiated his blasts omni-directionally.

Wolverine's been incinerated by less than "firelord blast." Also, lulz at Karnak lvl blows. Balder can fight for an entire month without resting. Also Balder is not Ba'al and won't be smited by Hand of God powers.

his stamina isnt going to help him when he is gutted he needs a healing factor for that.. also ba'al isnt the only god logan has beaten.. hercules, doombringer comes to mind as well without the reference of being God's champion..

^ And Wolverine's stamina isnt going to help him either when he is incinerated by Balder's sunblast he needs to be durable enough to resist that and he isn't.. also feel free to post scans of more "elder gods" that Wolverine has beaten that aren't depowered and mortalized like Hercules or that aren't simple demons who influence cultists like Doombringer.

Two more winners.

I remember when Balder etc. battled the Frost Giant army for nine months on end.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
his stamina isnt going to help him when he is gutted he needs a healing factor for that.. also ba'al isnt the only god logan has beaten.. hercules, doombringer comes to mind as well without the reference of being God's champion..

Balder does have the ability to heal wounds through the use of his light based powers. Balder the Brave #3 as I recall.

^ I was under the impression he only revived Karnilla (in the form of a sparrow) from freezing to death and that the reactivation of his light powers simply coincided, rather than outright caused, his arm mending.

I thought him discovering his light based powers were the result of the healing.

I guess it's open to interpretation (Like everything else.).

^ Balder beating Wolverine. Not open to interpretation. biscuits

unless balder has a pie in this fight he aint winning period..

Asgardian pies are the only thing Balder is afraid of. It's kinda like Apocalypse's table weakness.

Without these, I don't see Wolverine winning.

^ Balder was the one that parried the pie. He's not afraid of it at all.Originally posted by Wild Shadow
unless balder has a pie in this fight he aint winning period.. Joke phail for the same reason. And seriously? Balder isn't losing to Wolverine. But I'm not surprised you think otherwise. Balder could beat Wolverine tomorrow in a comic in two shots and somehow you'd manage to translate that into "Balder has no chance against Wolverine if he doesn't use his powers."

what has balder's strongest blast done?

Is balder more powerful than hulk now?

How the hell is that fatass beating logan?

balder is the trim one and biological brother to thor.. the noblest asgardian and favorite son of their mother

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0a/Baldermu.jpg

Originally posted by Starscream M
Is balder more powerful than hulk now?

How the hell is that fatass beating logan? Balder used to be fat when he swore never to take up the sword again. Then Loki forced him to kill thousands of fire demons in a matter of hours when Balder was sent to deliver him a message. Loki promptly ignored it. Then Balder cut his head off and decided to train and get back into shape. This included neither sleeping nor resting for an entire month. Originally posted by Wild Shadow
what has balder's strongest blast done? What has his strongest blast done? It blasted strongly. vin

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Balder was the one that parried the pie. He's not afraid of it at all.

I do realize that. Look, if he hadn't been afraid of the pie, he wouldn't have felt the need to block it. Same can be said about Apoc&table. They just didn't have the guts to tank these... projectiles.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Then Balder cut his head off and decided to train and get back into shape. vin this has what relevance in regards to balder being able to beat logan?

its b/c balder has a god title...

anyways i do give balder some wins due to the rarely used light power blast but not a constant likely attack and in melee fighting he lose more often then not..

logan 7/10

Balder is superior. Wolverine is overrated by two guys. Those who say he wins.

Ares schooled Wolverine. Balder was going toe to toe with Ares. Hence, Balder > Ares!

Argument solved.

wolverine beat down hercules twice... hercules beat ares while weaken poison.. wolverine>>>hercules>Balder=Ares

i guess you can close it into a vicious circle but dont seem right..

Hercules let Wolverine do as well as he did as he was scared to kill a mortal. And he only defeated Hercules once.

Sentry punked Logan. Hercules punked Sentry.

The Hydra poison was out of his system but he was suffering after effects true. Thanks for adding more evidence to support Hercules being above Wolverine. Your contributions are always welcome.

sentry took down a weaken logan who had his head nearly severed and blood drained from an adamantium saw.. if it had happen to hercules he be dead..

anyways logan has beaten hulk which hulk has beaten herc and sentry..

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Sentry punked Logan. Hercules punked Sentry.

Sentry = Angel of Death. Wolverine's beaten him a gazillion times biscuits

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
sentry took down a weaken logan who had his head nearly severed and blood drained from an adamantium saw.. if it had happen to hercules he be dead..

anyways logan has beaten hulk which hulk has beaten herc and sentry..

Wolverine had healed most of his injuries. He was clearly at %110. Your a fanboy.

Hercules is the strongest character in the Marvel, DC and Mortal Kombat Universe

When has Logan defeated the Hulk?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Sentry = Angel of Death. Wolverine's beaten him a gazillion times biscuits

That was another manifestation of Bob Reynolds. A far weaker incarnation.

Thor killed the Angel of Death. Hercules beat Thor and Sentry.

Hercules is the strongest character in the Marvel, DC and Mortal Kombat Universe.

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/5799/savagehulkagain8xd2.jpg

logan has beaten Kierrok the damn,, his Hench demons the N'garia beaten hulk.. logan took on and decimated an army while one nearly killed hulk..

wolverine>>>keirrok>>>n'garia>>hulk>>herc

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When has Logan defeated the Hulk?

Deathverine almost killed him.

In Wolverine/Hulk mini (there was an outside factor though, namely the avalanche).

KO'd Gray Hulk in IH #340.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hercules is the strongest character in the Marvel, DC and Mortal Kombat Universe.

And he's dead.














vin

i think we button him up... with the ABC logic j/k

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Deathverine almost killed him.

In Wolverine/Hulk mini (there was an outside factor though, namely the avalanche).

KO'd Gray Hulk in IH #340.

I thought he meant a straight up battle.

An amped Wolverine gains the advantage due to the plot. Hulk's own momentum slashing his neck open with Wolverine's claws.

The weakest incarnation of the Hulk was put down for a few seconds tops while he stood their letting Wolverine doing his worst, since the Hulk rolls that way.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
And he's dead

vin

His not dead. You cannot kill what is immortal.

Originally posted by Starscream M
this has what relevance in regards to balder being able to beat logan? It has relevance to Balder not being a fat ass. Originally posted by Wild Shadow
its b/c balder has a god title...

anyways i do give balder some wins due to the rarely used light power blast but not a constant likely attack and in melee fighting he lose more often then not..It's because Balder beats Wolverine. Projecting infantile logic unto us like "He lives in space, so he wins!" or "He's a god, so he wins!" in a desperate attempt to straw-man our arguments has become a typical maneuver in these threads. Typical, but hardly cogent.

Despite Balder's sword skill, greater stamina, speed and strength. Not really. Originally posted by Starscream M
logan loses 7/10 That's a more respectable opinion. Keep working at it. Originally posted by Wild Shadow
wolverine beat down hercules twice... hercules beat ares while weaken poison.. wolverine>>>hercules>Balder=Ares

i guess you can close it into a vicious circle but dont seem right.. Toppling Hercules once with a table while Hercules has a sh1t-eatin grin on his face the whole time isn't beating Hercules down. Could you be more dense? And for the last time, depowered mortal Hercules =/= immortal Hercules.

It "dont seem right" because you're doing it wrong. facepalm

he is dead whether temporarily or not..

also logan has punked hulk b4 fight even started by threatening to decapitate him while rapped around hulk and his claws at his neck..

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/5799/savagehulkagain8xd2.jpg

logan has beaten Kierrok the damn,, his Hench demons the N'garia beaten hulk.. logan took on and decimated an army while one nearly killed hulk..

wolverine>>>keirrok>>>n'garia>>hulk>>herc

Pff. Kierrok is a pussy. A Ru'Tai slave defeated him. Wolverine was kicking his ass since he first appeared in X-men #96. That was pure luck. He jumped on Hulk's back attacking him while he thought he had defeated them. Hand Ninja syndrome was in effect for Logan in that annual.

The Hulk has one shot Ares, defeated the Sentry, and has straight up defeated Wolverine.

Hulk > Wolverine

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Pff. Kierrok is a pussy. A Ru'Tai slave defeated him. Wolverine was kicking his ass since he first appeared in X-men #96. That was pure luck. He jumped on Hulk's back attacking him while he thought he had defeated them. Hand Ninja syndrome was in effect for Logan in that annual.

The Hulk has one shot Ares, defeated the Sentry, and has straight up defeated Wolverine.

Hulk > Wolverine



Since when did Ares punk Logan? If you're talking about origins, the fight has just started iirc. Maybe you're talking about something else though. Enlighten me.

Obviously, Logan stands a legit chance even if a slim one.

If he has no chance this thread should be closed for spite. I'm sick of Wolvie haters making threads where they know the other character will be favoured over Logan, and then getting their panties in a bunch because us Wolverine fans want to make legit arguments in favor of Wolverine. You guys seriously act surprised and talk down to us like we are stupid. Sounds like baiting to me. Why would Logan's fans vote for the other guy if Logan has a realistic chance? You kinda force people to make silly arguments sometimes.

Anyway, if this fellow Balder can shoot energy or whatever at all directions at once, then Logan has a slim chance considering this guy also has epic sword skills, speed and strength? It's all made to sound like a long-shot on purpose so you can put down Wolverine fans because you hate the fact that he does things like punk Count Nefera and tear up Thor and Hulk in Melee combat.

Now, I'm not really complaining; but don't be surprised when we resort to stupid arguments to defend our character that you're trying to bash with spite threads.

.....what have I done?

^ Baited Wolverine fans. Reported. duryes

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Hercules is the strongest character in the Marvel, DC and Mortal Kombat Universe



OOOOOOHHHHHHH! YOU DID NOT JUST GO THERE!

Anyways... Balder has class 50 strength and Barbarian swordskill.... I can't possibly imagine how Wolverine can beat 'im.

^ Glad we all agree.

Oh. You also forgot to mention his sword skill actually overcomes magical enchantments of perfect swordsmanship, and that he has superior stamina, superior speed, and his light powers. But I'm sure that since you came to the same conclusion, you only forgot to mention the foregoing unintentionally.

Clearly.

Balder wins if he is class 50

I'm surprised people are trying to downplay Balder's swordplay as "barbaric".

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Baited Wolverine fans. Reported. duryes

As if anyone who debates comic book characters online has the right to call anyone else retarded...

Seriously, I don't even read comics - except Wolverine which I download. Won't pay for them as well...I'm over 15.

^ Reported =/= retarded.

Congrats for being 15+. You're a man now in countries with no running water.Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'm surprised people are trying to downplay Balder's swordplay as "barbaric". Them: "S'cuz he a stoopid viking!!!1 Which haz nothing to do with Japanese stuff and Japanese fighting is da best!!!111"

Y'know, I see why they'd find such idiotic straw-mans so appealing.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Reported =/= retarded.

Congrats for being 15+. You're a man now in countries with no running water. Them: "S'cuz he a stoopid viking!!!1 Which haz nothing to do with Japanese stuff and Japanese fighting is da best!!!111"

Y'know, I see why they'd find such idiotic straw-mans so appealing.


The Japanese fighting style, and swordsmanship were CLEARLY superior - I don't think that's even up for debate. This is especially true in comics where Asian styles allow you to Chi-amp (Iron Fist) and use ninja magic (Wolverine). Viking style gives you what now?

opps..

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
The Japanese fighting style, and swordsmanship were CLEARLY superior - I don't think that's even up for debate. This is especially true in comics where Asian styles allow you to Chi-amp (Iron Fist) and use ninja magic (Wolverine). Viking still gives you what now? People be watching too much anime these days. I love how people assume Asian countries invented martial arts and swordplay.

I don't know what Vikings give you. I do know what Balder gives Wolverine: an a$$-whuppin.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
People be watching too much anime these days. I love how people assume Asian countries invented martial arts and swordplay.

I don't know what Vikings give you. I do know what Balder gives Wolverine: an a$$-whuppin.

Well, they definitely invented GOOD martial arts...that's why we still use it instead of idiot white man style. You know, swing like a lumberjack and make up dumb rules like "no nut shots" and can't kick when they're down.

Also, it's been demonstrated scientifically that the katana is far superior to any other sword ever crafted...at least by ancient standards.

The only time I ever see you argue about Wolverine is when you want to go against him, so of course you will say that Balder beats Wolverine. Next, you will make up that in order to beat Count Nefara, Wolverine was possessed by the Hand of God again, or something. I love how Wolverine haters NEVER cite any evidence, and just flat our make stuff up to prove their case. I mean, I've heard of fundamentalism but seriously...these things are not even believed to be real - by anyone! At least evangelicals have the excuse that they are deluded enough to believe they will burn forever if they don't believe the Earth is 6000 years old. So I guess we can understand, at least a bit, when they claim that Satan planted dinosaur bones in the earth. Then again, I mean, you do hate Wolverine with a real passion so I could see why you would do that.

And you're always calling Wolverine fans idiotic, stupid, etc. I mean, you know I really don't care - I think it's ****ing hilarious that someone gets that worked up over cartoon drawings. hey wait...you're names not Mohomad is it?

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
Well, they definitely invented GOOD martial arts...that's why we still use it instead of idiot white man style.

No it isn't, one of the main reason why we don't have viking martial arts is because their civilsation was 'wiped' out not because their martial arts weren't any good. Also they didn't start writing things down until after they converted to Christanity they used runic script.

Theres proof that the beserk may have been an actual martial art and there are too many reports describing how formidable thay were for it to be crap

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie


Also, it's been demonstrated scientifically that the katana is far superior to any other sword ever crafted...at least by ancient standards.


It might be got any concrete proof? That doesn't even actually mean they had superior martial arts, it just means they crafted better weapons.

Originally posted by Deadline
No it isn't, one of the main reason why we don't have viking martial arts is because their civilsation was 'wiped' out not because their martial arts weren't any good. Also they didn't start writing things down until after they converted to Christanity they used runic script.

Theres proof that the beserk may have been an actual martial art and there are too many reports describing how formidable thay were for it to be crap



It might be got any concrete proof? That doesn't even actually mean they had superior martial arts, it just means they crafted better weapons.


Well, it would not have been wiped out had it been as good

I mean, China and Japan were not conquerable until guns were invented. That speaks for itself. Also, Asian martial arts can be credited with inventing the proper body mechanics for punching. Karate dudes can potentially hit harder than boxers. No joke - I've seen it myself having trained in both arts.

Seriously, if Vikings had the best, I doubt their civilization would have been wiped out by Xianity. Unless they were just so few in numbers, I'm not sure....



One thing is for sure though - Asian martial arts are far superior to any other in the Marvel U. Just ask Chi, Fist, Wolverine, Ogun, Stick, Elektra, DareDevil, Karnak, Mandrin, etc...the list goes on

No one can chi-amp because they learned viking martial arts now..


As far as the swords go - they were folded steel over two hundred times - on fight science they were described as the best weapon. They are also still made today and are sharp as hell. Also, as I mentioned above, it took guns to conquer the Japs. While this isn't "scientific" evidence, it makes a pretty good case.

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
Well, it would not have been wiped out had it been as good


No mate really when it boils down to it the reason why they were conquered was because they spent too much time fighting each other. Just because they have good martial arts doesn't mean they were invincible. Same thing with the Roman Empire and they were highly trained.

I also think there was economic pressure as well you can't fight that with martial arts.

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie

I mean, China and Japan were not conquerable until guns were invented. That speaks for itself.

No it doesn't. China has a vast number of people in it if you actually look at what happened in some battles the west had with China they lost due to sheer numbers. I also don't think anybody from the West had actually attempted to conquer China before guns were invented.

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
Also, Asian martial arts can be credited with inventing the proper body mechanics for punching. Karate dudes can potentially hit harder than boxers. No joke - I've seen it myself having trained in both arts.


Yes I know but I suspect some of that comes from things such as meditation. Mediation isn't a Chinese invention every one did including some of the Vikings.

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie

Seriously, if Vikings had the best, I doubt their civilization would have been wiped out by Xianity. Unless they were just so few in numbers, I'm not sure....


I didn't say it was best im questioning you saying that Asian martial arts are better and that 'white man style' crap. Most likely if it did exist today they would both have good points and bad points.

It was wiped out because they were constantly fighting each other. Also alot of beserkers were basterds and used there skill to pick on weaker people so it was outlawed (In Denmark I think).

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie

One thing is for sure though - Asian martial arts are far superior to any other in the Marvel U. Just ask Chi, Fist, Wolverine, Ogun, Stick, Elektra, DareDevil, Karnak, Mandrin, etc...the list goes on

No one can chi-amp because they learned viking martial arts now..


Mantis doesn't practice an Asian martial art its kree. A depowered Thor was shown to keep up with Captain America.

Originally posted by The Real Wolvie

As far as the swords go - they were folded steel over two hundred times - on fight science they were described as the best weapon. They are also still made today and are sharp as hell. Also, as I mentioned above, it took guns to conquer the Japs. While this isn't "scientific" evidence, it makes a pretty good case.

No its proves they made better swords that it. Im also thinking katans were maninly used by the samurai so that one group of people you're focusing on.

the reason the viking were so formidable in ancient times was mainly due to their raiding method of villages and even their size. armor also was a big factor in real life skill isnt always the equalizing factor sometimes it is intimidation size and power.. anyways one of the biggest reasons they are not around is b/c of chrisianity and conversion as well as not have a centralized civilization since more often then not they were explorers who would settle in ares they discovered..

the problem i have with these two meeting in battle is that a samurai unlike in movies dont really engage in a prolong sword fight of parrying but usually involves a single well placed strike or a couple... in comics this type of fighting would be more pronounce against these two fighters..

like i said in a pure melee fight Balder doesnt have the feats to contend with logan.. i give balder the win if he can shoot a sun lvl omni blast at logan as many of you think he will..

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
the reason the viking were so formidable in ancient times was mainly due to their raiding method of villages and even their size.


What get in a boat and attack people? Yeah they had good boats but I think you might be exaggerating. I think they were simply more organised and there might have been more of them.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow


armor also was a big factor in real life skill isnt always the equalizing factor sometimes it is intimidation size and power

W-what their armour was better than the Anglo-Saxons? Sorry man but it sounds like you're making shit up.


Originally posted by Wild Shadow

.. anyways one of the biggest reasons they are not around is b/c of chrisianity and conversion as well as not have a centralized civilization



Thats correct.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
since more often then not they were explorers who would settle in ares they discovered..


Thats completely incorrect.

i could get deeper into this or i could have made my post far more detailed but i am far from wrong.. if you like we can open another thread involving viking life..

but vikings were responsible for various society if not directly then simply with interbreeding and or simply being absorbed into the culture..

i can sit here and name places and areas in europe where that was the case and societies that tied their culture to vikings in europe..

saxon in england
iceland
greenland
switzerland
germans
etc etc..

i could sit here and spout off about how vikings started to change life styles due to port city and open trade routes where raiding was no longer the preferred method of gaining wealth but trade was now the more likely way of not only gaining wealth but knowledge..

i could use my life MA experience about the goal of sword fighting using my black belt weapons training in sword use.. how the warrior looks for a single opportunity and its not the goal to block and parry like in the movies although we are trained to it is not the focus of the sword fighter.. i could tell you how a sword fight usually ended within a few seconds or few minutes from the engagement.. strictly speaking of the MA not viking method of sword fighting

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
if you like we can open another thread involving viking life..


http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=531657

This is gonna devolve into another Gamora vs. Wolverine thread isn't it?

Where in spite of Balder not having the proper feats to dictate him being IN Logan's class nevermind above it minus an enchantment or dues ex machina you guys are gonna be fit to sit there and tell us otherwise...just.... well... just because... He IS class 50 afterall.

As for his "light powers". Yeah, he has about as much a likelyhood of winning with that tactic as Namor does using electrocution..... but whatever.

namor uses his sea powers all the time like the time he puffered up or the two or three times he used his electric eel power and even used it to shoot blast.. the reason he doesnt use it in every fight is b/c the y need to give heroes a chance..

Obviously Wolverine would completely rage stomp Blader, but don't take that for anything other than it is.

People need to put aside the romanticized notions of what samurai where. The reality is a Viking Berserker would more than likely take a Samurai in a one on one fight. There is a the obvious height and weight advantage, but the fact of the matter is the Viking's weapons where superior as well. Thanks to its heft and weight, even a dull broad sword can make all the cuts a katana can make and then some. It also has the added benefit of being able to block and parry incoming attacks, something you wouldn't want do with a katana outside of a movie or comic thanks to its brittleness. Shield and axe, or shield and sword are also an excellent combo - especially against someone with a weapon who doesn't want to engage in any sword on sword action and would rather wait for an opening to exploit. Is a samurai more skilled? Maybe on paper, but there is a difference between training and sparing to hone your skills and fighting and raiding every day with your life on the line. On paper, virtually everyone the Mongolians ever fought a superior fighting force and technically more skilled, and the Mongolians pretty much destroyed them all even with far inferior numbers and training (that includes Northern China fyi). There is something to be said for skill gained from constant experience on the battle vs. training.

But Logan is just as much a viking berserker as he is a samurai... more so even.

^ Wolverine isn't rage-stomping Balder. lulz

On everything else: Originally posted by jinzin
This is gonna devolve into another Gamora vs. Wolverine thread isn't it?

Where in spite of Balder not having the proper feats to dictate him being IN Logan's class nevermind above it minus an enchantment or dues ex machina you guys are gonna be fit to sit there and tell us otherwise...just.... well... just because... He IS class 50 afterall.

As for his "light powers". Yeah, he has about as much a likelyhood of winning with that tactic as Namor does using electrocution..... but whatever. Actually, you're desperately wishing his only advantage was that he was only class 50. He's not only many times stronger, he's faster, he's got more stamina, his swordsmanship has overcome perfect swordsmanship enchantments, and he has sun powers which can incinerate Wolverine.

He doesn't stomp Wolverine in two hits like Thor did, but he does beat him. And straw-manning us and trying to campaign that he's nothing but a mindless class 50 viking isn't helping your case. It just reveals one of two things: (i) how uninformed you are, or (ii) how desperate you are to color an uninformed person's opinion.

Thor managed to break Wolverine out of mind control. He didn't "stomp" him... in fact he barely even phased him. Wolverine was completely fine, Thor wasn't.

Blader isn't faster than Wolverine. Don't kid yourself.

^ Please. If Thor was trying to beat him, he'd just repeatedly smite him with lightning or blast him once he was down. Acting like that fight cast Wolverine as being a dominating opponent is comedy gold.

Wolverine ain't gliding magically enhanced bullets along his claws and redirecting them at his foes. Don't kid yourself.

I could be wrong, but I think most here are giving Logan his due even if they still think Balder wins. On the other hand, some seem to be lowballing/downplaying Balder as some crude "viking barbarian" when it's painfully obvious Balder is the best warrior of Asgard barring Thor. And iirc, Balder has used his superior agility/speed to get around Thor, whose own speed at least matches Logan's.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Please. If Thor was trying to beat him, he'd just repeatedly smite him with lightning or blast him once he was down. Acting like that fight cast Wolverine as being a dominating opponent is comedy gold.

Wolverine ain't gliding magically enhanced bullets along his claws and redirecting them at his foes. Don't kid yourself.

Thor would eventually beat Wolverine in real fight with them both going all out (nothing Wolverine could do to Thor if he fought using his head) but that doesn't change the fact that nothing Thor did had any effect on Wolverine what so ever. If Thor want to ko Wolverine, he'd need to clear his schedule for the rest of the day, two hits wouldn't come close to "stomping" him has you claim.

Typhoid Mary's done it and Wolverine never had any problem with her speed.

Come on... this isn't even a contest. Wolverine has no chance against
Balder. Turn heat up. Melt flesh. Sword of Frey cuts off head.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Thor would eventually beat Wolverine in real fight with them both going all out (nothing Wolverine could do to Thor if he fought using his head) but that doesn't change the fact that nothing Thor did had any effect on Wolverine what so ever. If Thor want to ko Wolverine, he'd need to clear his schedule for the rest of the day, two hits wouldn't come close to "stomping" him has you claim.

Typhoid Mary's done it and Wolverine never had any problem with her speed. Nothing Thor did had any effect on Wolverine? Other than the Mjolnir swing which pounded him down so hard Wolverine wasn't even able to recover quickly enough to dodge a follow up shot? Also, how do you not vomit in your own mouth when you suggest that it'd take all day for Thor to ko Wolverine? W.T.F.

And it still means Wolverine's slower and Balder is faster. Deflection.

i seriously don't see how balder wins this. *shrugs*

Balder for a slight slight majorityOriginally posted by psycho gundam
i seriously don't see how balder wins this. *shrugs* DA GODLYNEZZ!

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Nothing Thor did had any effect on Wolverine? Other than the Mjolnir swing which pounded him down so hard Wolverine wasn't even able to recover quickly enough to dodge a follow up shot? Also, how do you not vomit in your own mouth when you suggest that it'd take all day for Thor to ko Wolverine? W.T.F.

And it still means Wolverine's slower and Balder is faster. Deflection.

As though every time Wolverine eats a blow, he was "unable to dodge it." That's a stretch. Wolverine was sitting on the ground thinking "WTF, Sabretooth is calling down a lightening storm?" He wasn't hurt in the slightest. If he wanted to he probably could have dodged it, but then again whats the point? It had about as much effect on him as mosquito bite when all was said and done.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
erm... this not even a contest
Balder recently displayed his long unused "light" based powers. if it's still the same, it will melt wolvies flesh off his bones. plus can wolvie redirect a bullet back at it's shooter with his claws?

Balder
9/10

Light based powers? Like Lightray?

He can shoot out beams with the power of suns and stuff? Move light speed, give or take?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
As though every time Wolverine eats a blow, he was "unable to dodge it." That's a stretch. Wolverine was sitting on the ground thinking "WTF, Sabretooth is calling down a lightening storm?" He wasn't hurt in the slightest. If he wanted to he probably could have dodged it, but then again whats the point? It had about as much effect on him as mosquito bite when all was said and done. Yeah. I'm sure Wolverine had Thor right where he wanted him and decided to completely hold off all his fighting instincts to ponder the storm-brewing. Yeah... that's what happened... sure, srankmissingnin, sure.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsWolverine03.jpg

Wolverine going, "Uhhh..." and recovering painfully is Wolverine getting hurt. He was lucky Thor wasn't trying to seriously hurt him, didn't follow up, and permitted him to recover. Acting like Thor's lightning strikes would hurt as much as mosquito bites is you taking a dive off the deep end. Someone call a lifeguard.

srank...do you only post in threads involving wolverine?Those are the only places I see you.

Originally posted by Deadline

It might be got any concrete proof? That doesn't even actually mean they had superior martial arts, it just means they crafted better weapons.

A hobbyist blacksmith I know would be having a fit at his statement on Japanese swords...

Japanese swords like The Katana were finely crafted weapons given the poor materials Japan had to work with (Their iron quality wasn't the best, for one..), but there's lots of examples of comparable or greater weapons..

Originally posted by Black bolt z
srank...do you only post in threads involving wolverine?Those are the only places I see you.

Mostly just street level and MA threads. I don't really have a lot of time to monitor a bunch of threads anymore, so I usually post if I think there is a general lack of knowledge about one character that needs to be addressed, which means most of the time seems to be relegated to informing ODM about Wolverine.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Mostly just street level and MA threads. I don't really have a lot of time to monitor a bunch of threads anymore, so I usually post if I think there is a general lack of knowledge about one character that needs to be addressed, which means most of the time seems to be relegated to informing ODM about Wolverine. Meaning you just like to debate about wolverine with ODG which is most cases he trumps you?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yeah. I'm sure Wolverine had Thor right where he wanted him and decided to completely hold off all his fighting instincts to ponder the storm-brewing. Yeah... that's what happened... sure, srankmissingnin, sure.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsWolverine03.jpg

Wolverine going, "Uhhh..." and recovering painfully is Wolverine getting hurt. He was lucky Thor wasn't trying to seriously hurt him, didn't follow up, and permitted him to recover. Acting like Thor's lightning strikes would hurt as much as mosquito bites is you taking a dive off the deep end. Someone call a lifeguard.



What was he going to do? Fly at him? He thought he was fighting Sabretooth, who then started flying and called down a thunderstorm on his head. Not much he can do other than sit their and wait for the situation to resolve itself.

Show the next page why don't ya? You know, the one where he completely fine and has a smirk on his face.

Wolverine was completely fine. Nothing Thor did phased him. I know you don't like it and makes you all teary eyed with rage, but thats just how it a happened.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Meaning you just like to debate about wolverine with ODG which is most cases he trumps you?

What are the make believe cases in which he trumps me?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
What was he going to do? Fly at him? He thought he was fighting Sabretooth, who then started flying and called down a thunderstorm on his head. Not much he can do other than sit their and wait for the situation to resolve itself.

Show the next page why don't ya? You know, the one where he completely fine and has a smirk on his face.

Wolverine was completely fine. Nothing Thor did phased him. I know you don't like it and makes you all teary eyed with rage, but thats just how it a happened. Yes. Wolverine decided to sit his a$$ down and patiently wait, instead of getting slammed down on his a$$.

You mean the page where Thor doesn't continue beating on him because he never wanted to hurt him? I'm just double-checking here.

Sorry. Wolverine getting two-shotted by Thor does not annoy me in the slightest. And you insisting that it would take a whole day for Thor to ko Wolverine has replaced any possible annoyance with sheer mirth. Comedy gold, right here.

Didn't Thor one shot Daken and reduce him to a blistering mass of boils and burns? A Thor less than 100% no less.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yes. Wolverine decided to sit his a$$ down and patiently wait, instead of getting slammed down on his a$$.

You mean the page where Thor doesn't continue beating on him because he never wanted to hurt him? I'm just double-checking here.

Sorry. Wolverine getting two-shotted by Thor does not annoy me in the slightest. And you insisting that it would take a whole day for Thor to ko Wolverine has replaced any possible annoyance with sheer mirth. Comedy gold, right here.

Because freeing Wolverine of his mind control is two shotting him? Yeah... um, I don't think so. Wolverine was easy dodging Thor's "fiercest" blows, and the Odin son had retreat to the sky because he couldn't match Wolverine in melee combat. The fight ended because Wolverine wasn't mind controlled anymore, and it ended with Wolverine in good spirits at 100% and Thor injured.

You know, the next page. The page where Wolverine is completely fine, and Thor is complaining about how he was the only one hurt? That page.

^ Yes. Because if Thor wanted to hurt him, he would have with a stronger lightning strike (like wthe mild one with Daken) or a Mjolnir toss off his dome. Christ... how you act like Wolverine won that fight is beyond me.

Acting like Wolverine had Thor right where he wanted him is idiocy. Plain idiocy. Acting as if the fight were somehow extended by plot circumstance that Wolverine eventually would have won is idiocy. Plain idiocy.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Wolverine isn't rage-stomping Balder. lulz

On everything else: Actually, you're desperately wishing his only advantage was that he was only class 50. He's not only many times stronger, he's faster, he's got more stamina, his swordsmanship has overcome perfect swordsmanship enchantments, and he has sun powers which can incinerate Wolverine.

He doesn't stomp Wolverine in two hits like Thor did, but he does beat him. And straw-manning us and trying to campaign that he's nothing but a mindless class 50 viking isn't helping your case. It just reveals one of two things: (i) how uninformed you are, or (ii) how desperate you are to color an uninformed person's opinion. Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Thor managed to break Wolverine out of mind control. He didn't "stomp" him... in fact he barely even phased him. Wolverine was completely fine, Thor wasn't.

Blader isn't faster than Wolverine. Don't kid yourself.

Stamina really isn't an issue when Logan can heal mortal wounds on the battlefield while the same types of injuries will put Balder down.

As for light projection/manipulation/etc... like I said, about as many wins as Namor is going to get electrofrying people on the forums, or as many as Wolverine will get dissapearing in broad daylight on open ground, or walking out of molten metal vats...

Please... Wolverine's disarmed some of the best swordsmen in Marvel Balder's enchantments notwithstanding he's not something that's ZOMG Wolverine can't handle..

But eh, you like to use arrogance and bravado to insist otherwise, go ahead.. Like I said it's Gamora all over again.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Yes. Because if Thor wanted to hurt him, he would have with a stronger lightning strike (like wthe mild one with Daken) or a Mjolnir toss off his dome. Christ... how you act like Wolverine won that fight is beyond me.

Acting like Wolverine had Thor right where he wanted him is idiocy. Plain idiocy. Acting as if the fight were somehow extended by plot circumstance that Wolverine eventually would have won is idiocy. Plain idiocy.

Whether or not Wolverine had Thor where he wanted (he didn't) or if he would have won the fight if it continued (he wouldn't) is completely inconsequential to the discussion at hand. You stated that Thor stomped Wolverine in two hits. He didn't. Trying to skew the outcome of the fight to fit your parameters doesn't change what happened. Nothing Thor did had any effect on Wolverine whatsoever. Plain as day, that is just a fact. Obviously if it continued the fight would have began to take a toll on Wolverine, but with in the confines of what happened on panel he was completely fine at the end and Thor was not. There aren't two different opinions on that... that is just what happened.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I could be wrong, but I think most here are giving Logan his due even if they still think Balder wins. On the other hand, some seem to be lowballing/downplaying Balder as some crude "viking barbarian" when it's painfully obvious Balder is the best warrior of Asgard barring Thor. And iirc, Balder has used his superior agility/speed to get around Thor, whose own speed at least matches Logan's.

Yeah, well my first reply was more of a mocking joke than anything. Balders obviously skilled but people are acting like he's the second coming in fighting ability here as if his abilities are outside the scope of Wolverine's which is without a doubt laughable.

And uh.... ..... Wolverine basically did the same thing to Thor so I'm not really sure how that's a plus in Balders court and not Logans...

Originally posted by psycho gundam
i seriously don't see how balder wins this. *shrugs*

C'mon man! He's got class 50 strengf he'll plunge dat sword through Wolverine's EYES!

Originally posted by jinzin
Yeah, well my first reply was more of a mocking joke than anything. Balders obviously skilled but people are acting like he's the second coming in fighting ability here as if his abilities are outside the scope of Wolverine's which is without a doubt laughable.

And uh.... ..... Wolverine basically did the same thing to Thor so I'm not really sure how that's a plus in Balders court and not Logans...

The bullet deflecting thing alone is outside Logan's ability...

Didn't know Balder was a bullet timer, much less had energy powers, but you learn something new.....

Originally posted by jinzin
Yeah, well my first reply was more of a mocking joke than anything. Balders obviously skilled but people are acting like he's the second coming in fighting ability here as if his abilities are outside the scope of Wolverine's which is without a doubt laughable.

And uh.... ..... Wolverine basically did the same thing to Thor so I'm not really sure how that's a plus in Balders court and not Logans...

Fair enough. I just find more lowballing of Balder in this thread and things more along the lines "Nuh uh!" than I do see lowballing for Wolverine.

It shows that Balder is at the very least on Logan's level in terms of speed and agility. And Thor's speed feats trump Logan's, imo.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Fair enough. I just find more lowballing of Balder in this thread and things more along the lines "Nuh uh!" than I do see lowballing for Wolverine.

It shows that Balder is at the very least on Logan's level in terms of speed and agility. And Thor's speed feats trump Logan's, imo.

Not taking a single bullet time feat that as been matched but someone Wolverine has rage stomped as an indication Blader is a match for Wolverine isn't exactly low balling IMO.

Outside of flight speed and hammer twirling Thor's speed feats and Wolverine's are largely comparable, but Wolverine has the edge.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Outside of flight speed and hammer twirling Thor's speed feats and Wolverine's are largely comparable, but Wolverine has the edge.

I'm not taking in his flight speed or hammer based feats.

Originally posted by cdtm
The bullet deflecting thing alone is outside Logan's ability...

Didn't know Balder was a bullet timer, much less had energy powers, but you learn something new.....



Wolverine deflected multiple lazers at the same time...

Again did that same type of feat put Typhoid Mary outside of Wolverine's ability cause her getting EASILY put into a no-win sitch against a blind, burning, throat-cut Wolverine within several panels would beckon me to think otherwise...

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'm not taking in his flight speed or hammer based feats.

Then Wolverine is faster.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Then Wolverine is faster.

He's not, though.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Fair enough. I just find more lowballing of Balder in this thread and things more along the lines "Nuh uh!" than I do see lowballing for Wolverine.

It shows that Balder is at the very least on Logan's level in terms of speed and agility. And Thor's speed feats trump Logan's, imo.

Thor has circumstantial speed feats against people with actual speed. Nothing he's done is outside most top tier street levels.

But at the end of the day we've already seen Thor and Wolverine stack up against one another and Wolverine was > Thor in the melee speed department.




On another note, why again is it only Wolverine who is judged OUTSIDE the perameters of what he's done and who he's done it with inplace of what he should be doing? Does no one else see the chronic double standard there?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He's not, though.

His feats say so.

I'll recap the argument the last time this came up and actually came to a scan war.

Me: Thor is flying in that scan...

ODG: Those scans of Wolverine are ambiguous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

^ Godo job taking away a consistent straw-man made with respect to Thor's speed feats immediately.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Whether or not Wolverine had Thor where he wanted (he didn't) or if he would have won the fight if it continued (he wouldn't) is completely inconsequential to the discussion at hand. You stated that Thor stomped Wolverine in two hits. He didn't. Trying to skew the outcome of the fight to fit your parameters doesn't change what happened. Nothing Thor did had any effect on Wolverine whatsoever. Plain as day, that is just a fact. Obviously if it continued the fight would have began to take a toll on Wolverine, but with in the confines of what happened on panel he was completely fine at the end and Thor was not. There aren't two different opinions on that... that is just what happened. Thor two-shotted Wolverine. It's right there in the comic. And you stating it would Thor all day to ko Wolverine is absolutely of consequence to this topic. Of course an opponent who could resist being beaten by Thor for an entire day would beat Balder. That description does not fit Wolverine though. You're deluded. Had Thor wanted to utterly destroy Wolverine, he would have. Wolverine's lucky that Thor counted him as an ally, unlike Daken or any other foe that Thor has brought his true wrath down upon.

Originally posted by jinzin
On another note, why again is it only Wolverine who is judged OUTSIDE the perameters of what he's done and who he's done it with inplace of what he should be doing? Does no one else see the chronic double standard there?

Because then he'd win and some posters would get but hurt? No no no, it's much safer for the delicate self esteem of everyone on this board if the only Wolverine feats that count are Spider-man slapping him during Secret War, the moose kicking him and Punisher shooting him the balls with a shotgun. Thats whats best.

Originally posted by jinzin
Stamina really isn't an issue when Logan can heal mortal wounds on the battlefield while the same types of injuries will put Balder down.

As for light projection/manipulation/etc... like I said, about as many wins as Namor is going to get electrofrying people on the forums, or as many as Wolverine will get dissapearing in broad daylight on open ground, or walking out of molten metal vats...

Please... Wolverine's disarmed some of the best swordsmen in Marvel Balder's enchantments notwithstanding he's not something that's ZOMG Wolverine can't handle...

But eh, you like to use arrogance and bravado to insist otherwise, go ahead.. Like I said it's Gamora all over again. Namor hasn't used his electricity powers in years. Balder just used them in the last issue. Wolverine walking out of a molten steel vat is PIS. Balder using his light powers as the Norse God of Light is not PIS. Slight difference there.

Wolverine's also been stalemated and utterly tooled by some of the best swordsmen in Marvel.

I suppose I should switch my tactics to straw-manning aka "Stupid, Drax doesn't win just because he live in space!!!11" That's not exactly my style, but maybe it might strike a chord here with ya'll? Is that what you're hinting at?

I agree that Wolverine walking out of a vault of molten steel is P.I.S. I almost never use that term but I have to file it under that category.

How would he even animate himself if all of his flesh was incinerated? Unless he got out before all of his flesh was incinerated, you might as well claim Logan can swim out of the Sun.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Godo job taking away a consistent straw-man made with respect to Thor's speed feats immediately.

Thor two-shotted Wolverine. It's right there in the comic. And you stating it would Thor all day to ko Wolverine is absolutely of consequence to this topic. Of course an opponent who could resist being beaten by Thor for an entire day would beat Balder. That description does not fit Wolverine though. You're deluded. Had Thor wanted to utterly destroy Wolverine, he would have. Wolverine's lucky that Thor counted him as an ally, unlike Daken or any other foe that Thor has brought his true wrath down upon.

How did he two shot Wolverine, if Wolverine was completely fine?

Thor would have to work if he want to put Wolverine down. Not even WWH managed to get a definitive KO on him. Putting Wolverine down is a feat to accomplish, which is clear as day in his fight with Thor. Nothing Thor did had any affect on Wolverine other than breaking his mind control. That's just a fact. He didn't two-shot Wolverine, all he did was remove the reason for the fight from the equation. If the blasted hadn't jogged Wolverine mind free, the fight would have continued. How can you possibly consider that a two-shot?

Daken was only down for a short period while the Norns tried to convince him to do their bidding. It was a plot device, he was fine when he got up a few minutes later and so far all indications suggest he doesn't heal as fast as Wolverine.

TBF I'm not talking about what should be deemed PIS or not just likelyhoods... Cause Balder did it in the most recent issue somehow makes it his go-to tactic now?
Again... Wolverine dissapears in broad daylight in an open field, without a trace.

As for OGD of course we'll only use Wolverine's low end feats looks like Srank is right

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I agree that Wolverine walking out of a vault of molten steel is P.I.S. I almost never use that term but I have to file it under that category.

How would he even animate himself if all of his flesh was incinerated? Unless he got out before all of his flesh was incinerated, you might as well claim Logan can swim out of the Sun.

Don't ask questions. Hulk swam through lava to get to the core of Skaar. Which assuming Skaar is similar to the Earth, we are talking about heat it excess to that of the Sun... not to mention the pressure. Healing = godly.

/shrug

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I agree that Wolverine walking out of a vault of molten steel is P.I.S. I almost never use that term but I have to file it under that category.

How would he even animate himself if all of his flesh was incinerated? Unless he got out before all of his flesh was incinerated, you might as well claim Logan can swim out of the Sun.

I know right? It's about as believable as Balder using lightbased incineration as his go-to tactic.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

Daken was only down for a short period while the Norns tried to convince him to do their bidding. It was a plot device, he was fine when he got up a few minutes later and so far all indications suggest he doesn't heal as fast as Wolverine.

Or tank damage anywhere NEAR as well.. much less the fact that his skeleton/body(?) doesn't seem to be as durable either.

Are you guys being serious? Balder using his light powers is as realistic as Wolverine climbing out of a vat of molten steel?

W.T.F.

Seriously, how are we even supposed to have a conversation when one of you declares it would take Thor all day to ko Wolverine and the other declares that Balder using his light powers is as unrealistic as Wolverine climbing out of a molten steel vat? Jebus, this thread took a sharp turn down retard lane.

Who are these swordsmen that have tooled Wolverine? The last time Wolverine fought Shingen he beat him soundly and was only hit once. This shows not only Wolverine beating someone who is arguably the greatest living swords master on Marvel earth, but also a considerable increase in Wolverine's own skill from the first time he fought Shingen in his original miniseries.

A few weeks of training his rusty swords skills, was enough to soundly bump him above Silver Samurai (arguably the greatest living sword master before Shingen was resurrected) in swordsman ship, and Logan is much better with his claws than a sword.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Are you guys being serious? Balder using his light powers is as realistic as Wolverine climbing out of a vat of molten steel?

W.T.F.

Seriously, how are we even supposed to have a conversation when one of you declares it would take Thor all day to ko Wolverine and the other declares that Balder using his light powers is as unrealistic as Wolverine climbing out of a molten steel vat? Jebus, this thread took a sharp turn down retard lane.
*facepalm*

Clearly I was trying to make my point more effective. Leave it to ODG to take it as literally as possible.

And no, that's not what I said, I said likely. Blader uses some power he's used less than handful of times (nevermind in fights) in his entire career and because one of those times happened recently it's plausible to base an argument that this will be his go-to tactic?

Sorry that's about as good a sell as Gamora taking out Human Torch with energy Blasts or Carnage taking out tooth with his one-time mentioned vampiric touch....

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Don't ask questions. Hulk swam through lava to get to the core of Skaar. Which assuming Skaar is similar to the Earth, we are talking about heat it excess to that of the Sun... not to mention the pressure. Healing = godly.

/shrug



Hulk's healing factor helped but his natural durability clearly played the bigger part in it. He wasn't being incinerated and regenerating (Ala Sentry in Dark Avengers #13) but tanking the heat. Comparing the two is rather....wrong.

The heat of the Earth's core and by extension the heat of Sakaar's core, is hotter than the Sun?

Originally posted by jinzin
I know right? It's about as believable as Balder using lightbased incineration as his go-to tactic.

I'm assuming your joking as you seem to be a sensible enough fellow.

Otherwise.....

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hulk's healing factor helped but his natural durability clearly played the bigger part in it. He wasn't being incinerated and regenerating (Ala Sentry in Dark Avengers #13) but tanking the heat. Comparing the two is rather....wrong.

The heat of the Earth's core and by extension the heat of Sakaar's core, is hotter than the Sun?

I was mostly joking... mostly.

But yes, the Earth's core is hotter than the sun.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Who are these swordsmen that have tooled Wolverine? The last time Wolverine fought Shingen he beat him soundly and was only hit once. This shows not only Wolverine beating someone who is arguably the greatest living swords master on Marvel earth, but also a considerable increase in Wolverine's own skill from the first time he fought Shingen in his original miniseries.

A few weeks of training his rusty swords skills, was enough to soundly bump him above Silver Samurai (arguably the greatest living sword master before Shingen was resurrected) in swordsman ship, and Logan is much better with his claws than a sword.

He also disarmed Lazaer while fighting a copy of his own skillset. Given that Lazaer is the angel of death and has killed everyone who's ever died that's somethin.

Also easily disarmed a fully demonized Ogun without effort and Ogun was stated to be a match for the greatest swordsmen who ever lived.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I was mostly joking... mostly.

But yes, the Earth's core is hotter than the sun.

You'd best be joking. Don't let me catch you being stupid again or I'll.....

http://www.ludicer.it/immagini/famiglia-griffin/Homer-e-Peter.jpg

Since when is the Earth's core hotter than the Sun?

A weakened Wolverine who could barely stand tanked the full power blasted from Storm's fake Mjolnir when she was under Loki's control, even with his messily healing factor back in the 80s. He waded straight through it. As though Blader could take him down.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You'd best be joking. Don't let me catch you being stupid again or I'll.....

http://www.ludicer.it/immagini/famiglia-griffin/Homer-e-Peter.jpg

Since when is the Earth's core hotter than the Sun?

Since always?

The hottest place on the earth, isn't the sun.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm assuming your joking as you seem to be a sensible enough fellow.

Otherwise.....

Pretty much.... Like I said, I pulled the example to make my point more effective.... Obviously that backfired cause I forgot how ODG takes every statement ever uttered under scrupulous seriousness.

No one puts any credence into Wolverine walking out of a molten vat of metal nonetheless I really don't think Balder's light projection is going to be his go-to tactic if some 40+ years ofcomic history of the character is any indication.... If he has more appearances and uses this as a typical tactic then I'll gladly withdrawal my statement about that, but as of right now all we have to go off of is his history...

And historically speaking (sans enchantments) Balder isn't the kind of guy who's going to be taking a healthy majority from someone like Wolverine.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Since always?

The hottest place on the earth, isn't the sun.

Really? I'd have guessed the Sun was a fair deal hotter than the Earth. I don't even understand how it'd make sense for the Earth's core to be hotter than the Sun. Have any proof to back that up?

Touche you sneaky bastard.