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hmmm......

Thor. He can still command lightning and storms.

Thor.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Thor. He can still command lightning and storms. or just punch the shit out of him

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Thor. He can still command lightning and storms.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
or just punch the shit out of him

Thor. Easily.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Thor. He can still command lightning and storms. ive never seen him do it without mjlonir

Originally posted by chomperx9
ive never seen him do it without mjlonir

He's done it more than enough times to warrant him dropping lightning on people in a forum match without Mjolnir.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He's done it more than enough times to warrant him dropping lightning on people in a forum match without Mjolnir. You think said lightning would breach Tony's shields?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
or just punch the shit out of him a slugfest won't be good for thor...extremis tony has far better reflexes

Originally posted by Galan007
You think said lightning would breach Tony's shields? the KMC thor corps predictable response to that will be: "Itssssss Maaaagiiiiic!!!!"

Originally posted by Galan007
You think said lightning would breach Tony's shields?

It depends on the severity of the lightning used, imo.

Originally posted by chomperx9
ive never seen him do it without mjlonir

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Random/ThorLightning01JIM093.jpg

Taken from the revamped respect thread. There are more...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Random/ThorLightning01JIM093.jpg

Taken from the revamped respect thread. There are more... what century is that comic from?

Originally posted by Galan007
You think said lightning would breach Tony's shields?

I don't see why not.

This sure worked, however it wasn't a regular bolt.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/IronManvsThor9.jpg

It'd would either have to be something similar to the above or something more powerful than Tony's suit could handle otherwise he should be able to absorb it. At least he would've back in the day.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
or just punch the shit out of him

That works too.

Originally posted by chomperx9
ive never seen him do it without mjlonir

He's the God of Thunder. Mjolnir just focuses his abilities.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't see why not.

This sure worked, however it wasn't a regular bolt.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/IronManvsThor9.jpg

It'd would either have to be something similar to the above or something more powerful than Tony's suit could handle otherwise he should be able to absorb it. At least he would've back in the day.

JMS writes a bad Iron Man.

Originally posted by Starscream M
what century is that comic from?

You realize he has more current examples of doing so, right?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't see why not.

This sure worked, however it wasn't a regular bolt.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/IronManvsThor9.jpg

It'd would either have to be something similar to the above or something more powerful than Tony's suit could handle otherwise he should be able to absorb it. At least he would've back in the day. didn't thor get a powerup from loki?

Originally posted by Starscream M
what century is that comic from?

He can generate lightning from every part of his body.

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/CreatesDestructionStormGiants2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/OmniLightning5.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/OmniLightning6.jpg

Originally posted by Starscream M
didn't thor get a powerup from loki?

No. Loki wasn't even around at that time.

Originally posted by Starscream M
didn't thor get a powerup from loki?

?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He can generate lightning from every part of his body.

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/CreatesDestructionStormGiants2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/OmniLightning5.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/OmniLightning6.jpg ummm....he has Mjolnir in all 3 scans.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
? I thought that scan was from the last issue of siege

It was Thor with the Odinforce, but based on what he did without Mjolnir and the OF alike, it's certainly not a stretch to say he can discharge that kind of energy or summon it from above.

Originally posted by Starscream M
the KMC thor corps predictable response to that will be: "Itssssss Maaaagiiiiic!!!!" He's blocked magical attacks before:

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7089/immagicblock1.th.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't see why not.

This sure worked, however it wasn't a regular bolt.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/IronManvsThor9.jpg

It'd would either have to be something similar to the above or something more powerful than Tony's suit could handle otherwise he should be able to absorb it. At least he would've back in the day. Wasn't that OF Thor?

Anyhow, yeah I honestly don't see lightning doing much to a PIS-free Tony... Unless said lightning was extremely uber.

Originally posted by Starscream M
ummm....he has Mjolnir in all 3 scans.

And?

Clearly he isn't dependent on Mjolnir to generate lightning or control the storms.

If you really want to be dense about it, in the last scan, bottom left panel, Mjolnir is at his side and his still generating lightning from every part of his body.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
And?

Clearly he isn't dependent on Mjolnir to generate lightning or control the storms.

If you really want to be dense about it, in the last scan, bottom left panel, Mjolnir is at his side and his still generating lightning from every part of his body. um...the whole point is thor doesn't have mjolnir anywhere near him in this battle.

how does showing 3 scans of thor using lightning WHILE holding mjolnir prove that he DOESN't need Mjolnir to channel lightning?

Originally posted by Starscream M
the KMC thor corps predictable response to that will be: "Itssssss Maaaagiiiiic!!!!" thor corps > captain cold corps

Originally posted by Starscream M
I thought that scan was from the last issue of siege

Thor was fighting IM at the end of Siege? No.

That's from Thor #3.

Originally posted by Starscream M
um...the whole point is thor doesn't have mjolnir anywhere near him in this battle.

how does showing 3 scans of thor using lightning WHILE holding mjolnir prove that he DOESN't need Mjolnir to channel lightning?

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Random/ThorGodblast01v282.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Random/ThorLightning06BloodOath3.jpg

He's done it without Mjolnir.

And yes, Iron Man's shield did block Loki's attack, but the next page shows said shield cracked from the strain. I doubt it could have handled much more damage.

Originally posted by Starscream M
um...the whole point is thor doesn't have mjolnir anywhere near him in this battle.

how does showing 3 scans of thor using lightning WHILE holding mjolnir prove that he DOESN't need Mjolnir to channel lightning?
He also had the OF at that point.

Originally posted by Galan007
Wasn't that OF Thor?

Anyhow, yeah I honestly don't see lightning doing much to a PIS-free Tony... Unless said lightning way extremely uber.

I don't see why he would need his portion of the Odin Force to generate a bolt of powerful lightning. Recently, it was his lightning that had Void on his knees. His lightning has stalemated Zeus' thunderbolts even.

I'm pretty sure that was before JMS decided to introduce the Odin Force. Makes sense though. He had Thor state he wasn't holding back anymore, hence the stomping of lightning.

But if you want to be technical, then don't accept it. It's fine.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
And yes, Iron Man's shield did block Loki's attack, but the next panel shows said shield cracked from the strain. I doubt it could have handled much more damage. True. However, Loki used the other 'Mjolir' to generate that attack -- yet Tony still blocked it.

...Thor doesn't have Mjolnir here.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
But if you want to be technical, then don't accept it. It's fine.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Random/ThorGodblast01v282.jpg

good scan...that proves your point, I think.

Originally posted by Starscream M
um...the whole point is thor doesn't have mjolnir anywhere near him in this battle.

how does showing 3 scans of thor using lightning WHILE holding mjolnir prove that he DOESN't need Mjolnir to channel lightning?

I thought the whole argument was that Thor needed Mjolnir to generate lightning from it. Hence the scans I posted. Like I said, if you want to be dense about it, in the third scan he is still generating lightning from body parts with Mjolnir at his side.

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/OmniLightning6.jpg

And there are the scans Jake posted from Blood Oath and Disassembled.

Thor is truly the God of Thunder.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
A lightning storm in Japan? It's Thor's. A hurricane off the coast of Barbados? It's Thor's. A brace of Tornadoes in Kansas? It's Thor's. All the power of the storm from all over the world flows through Thor's veins. This is one of the main reasons he can summon any storm at any time or place. Thor is more than the physical form seen on the surface, as explained.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorAllStormsHis.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorAllStormsHis2.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
True. However, Loki used the other 'Mjolir' to generate that attack -- yet Tony still blocked it.

...Thor doesn't have Mjolnir here.

Oh, I'm not debating Iron Man can't use his shields. I just don't think they can tank a whole lot of damage from Thor's lightning before they either fail or are destroyed.

And yes, Thor doesn't have Mjolnir, but he can still summon incredibly powerful lightning from above.

Originally posted by Galan007
True. However, Loki used the other 'Mjolir' to generate that attack -- yet Tony still blocked it.

...Thor doesn't have Mjolnir here.





I don't see why he would need Mjolnir. Mjolnir just gives him the fine control that he would need on a day to day basis. The power comes from Thor.

Cool.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor is truly the God of Thunder.

Hulk-Storm says, "Lol."

All this being said, I have a HUGE respect for Extremis Iron Man, who can def take some wins here.

Originally posted by Starscream M
good scan...that proves your point, I think. Um, no. BRB is the one who used that attack:

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6690/thor08222.th.jpg http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8892/thor08223.th.jpg

I really don't see how Iron Man would take this in a straight up battle. It's been made clear time and time again that Thor is beyond him. Fighting Thor head to head is suicide.

The best Iron Man has looked against Thor as far as I know was when he absorbed Thor's own lightning bolt and used the energy to amp him to the point he was able to knock Thor off his feet.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Oh, I'm not debating Iron Man can't use his shields. I just don't think they can tank a whole lot of damage from Thor's lightning before they either fail or are destroyed. I agree that the same shield likely couldn't take numerous lightning blasts from Thor before they failed. But Tony isn't limited to one shield.

Originally posted by Galan007
Um, no. BRB is the one who used that attack:

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6690/thor08222.th.jpg http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8892/thor08223.th.jpg

BRB dropped Fenris while Thor used his innate power to best Durok.

Originally posted by Galan007
Um, no. BRB is the one who used that attack:

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6690/thor08222.th.jpg http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8892/thor08223.th.jpg in the page before that, isn't that thor's own lightning taking out his opponent?

^ the first one yes

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor used his innate power to best Durok. durok's durability is insane to boot

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
BRB dropped Fenris while Thor used his innate power to best Durok. Oh you were talking about the 'attack' he used on Durok? My bad. I was only searching for lightning-esque looking attacks, so I focused in on the Fenris scan.

Originally posted by Galan007
Oh you were talking about the 'attack' he used on Durok? My bad. I was only searching for lightning-esque looking attacks, so I focused in on the Fenris scan. it was a lightning esque attack...even the sound effect was Krackthoom!

Originally posted by Galan007
Oh you were talking about the 'attack' he used on Durok? My bad. I was only searching for lightning-esque looking attacks, so I focused in on the Fenris scan.

The dialogue Thor speaks in that scan pretty much state that while Mjolnir is a tool, that power comes from within. And besides the pillar of energy that crashes down on Durok, you can also see several bolts of lightning crashing into the trolls around them.

Originally posted by Starscream M
it was a lightning esque attack...even the sound effect was Krackthoom! Normally lightning doesn't fully encompass the beings involved before anything destructive happens. That's why I didn't think of it as a stereotypical lightning attack.

Not saying Thor couldn't use it here, though. He obviously could.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
And besides the pillar of energy that crashes down on Durok, you can also see several bolts of lightning crashing into the trolls around them. Just noticed that.

I still think Tony's shields/absorption would be HUGE obstacles for a hammerless Thor to get around, but that's a cool ability nonetheless.

Originally posted by Starscream M
it was a lightning esque attack...even the sound effect was Krackthoom!

And there's always this feat:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Random/ThorLightning05v229.jpg

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The dialogue Thor speaks in that scan pretty much state that while Mjolnir is a tool, that power comes from within. And besides the pillar of energy that crashes down on Durok, you can also see several bolts of lightning crashing into the trolls around them.

In X-Men Legacy he contradicted himself

Originally posted by Galan007
Normally lightning doesn't fully encompass the beings involved before anything destructive happens. That's why I didn't think of it as a stereotypical lightning attack.

Not saying Thor couldn't use it here, though. He obviously could.

Just noticed that.

I still think Tony's shields/absorption would be HUGE obstacles for a hammerless Thor to get around, but that's a cool ability nonetheless.

yep.

i too have no doubt he could summon the attack. without mjollnir though i have heavy doubts he could HIT an IM who would be dodging and flying around as WELL as using shields and full absorption abilities. a massive sonic attack could seriously hinder thor followed by repeated high energy assaults.....

i do NOT see this as a sure thing for thor at all.

Repeated high energy assaults? When have Iron Man's repulsors or weapons shown to have any effect on Thor besides annoying him tops?

What type of sonic attack? If your talking about the one in Civil War that he used to put down Captain America and the heroes, it didn't slow down Hercules so I don't see why it would slow down Thor.

I believe I've read every single one of Thor and Iron Man's battles and everything I've read leads me to believe that Thor beats the shit out of him.

How this is not a sure win for Thor sure as hell boggles my mind.

Hell, War Machine has done better against Thor than Tony has. Of course Thor wasn't trying to hurt him as Loki possessed him and it ended rather quickly when he got serious.

Originally posted by Galan007
He's blocked magical attacks before:

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7089/immagicblock1.th.jpg is that extremis armour though?

Anyways, on to the battle:

The only thing Thor used Mjolnir for in Thor #3 was use it as blunt force weapon.

If Tony tries to engage him head on, it ends up not too different from the way that fight concluded.

Dude got cocky. In the past he tried his best to avoid any hits from Thor and tried to out think him.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Repeated high energy assaults? When have Iron Man's repulsors or weapons shown to have any effect on Thor besides annoying him tops?

What type of sonic attack? If your talking about the one in Civil War that he used to put down Captain America and the heroes, it didn't slow down Hercules so I don't see why it would slow down Thor.

I believe I've read every single one of Thor and Iron Man's battles and everything I've read leads me to believe that Thor beats the shit out of him.

How this is not a sure win for Thor sure as hell boggles my mind.

Hell, War Machine has done better against Thor than Tony has. Of course Thor wasn't trying to hurt him as Loki possessed him and it ended rather quickly when he got serious.

a sonic assault would affect him, imo. his uni-bolts have nearly ko'd ionic goliath and if he cupped his hands over thor's ears and let lose a fullpower repulsor blast that sure as hell would affect thor in a very bad way. since i don't see the liklihood of him ko'ing IM with lightning as being very high, (everyone he ko'd without mjollnir was pretty much standing still) he'd be left with h2h. tough to hit tony, especially if he goes auto-pilot and assumes nano-second-esque reflexes.

i'm equally boggled as i see no way this IS a sure win for thor.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
or just punch the shit out of him

Or just fire off a burst of anti-force.

Originally posted by leonidas
a sonic assault would affect him, imo. his uni-bolts have nearly ko'd ionic goliath and if he cupped his hands over thor's ears and let lose a fullpower repulsor blast that sure as hell would affect thor in a very bad way. since i don't see the liklihood of him ko'ing IM with lightning as being very high, (everyone he ko'd without mjollnir was pretty much standing still) he'd be left with h2h. tough to hit tony, especially if he goes auto-pilot and assumes nano-second-esque reflexes.

i'm equally boggled as i see no way this IS a sure win for thor.

Hammer can absorb and redirect energy attacks, increasing the damage output substantially. Anything Stark fires off is getting thrown back in his face with interest.

Originally posted by cdtm
Hammer can absorb and redirect energy attacks, increasing the damage output substantially. Anything Stark fires off is getting thrown back in his face with interest.

read. the. title.

anyway, here is old school IM easily absorbing a lightning blast from thor and amping himself to the point where he was taking it to thor h2h easily:

http://img684.imageshack.us/i/lightning1.jpg/

http://img24.imageshack.us/i/lightning2pm.jpg/

notice too that the wasp's blast was able to harm thor. earlier in that same issue IM's repulsors were also shown to affect thor.

IM has ko'd surfer via energy drain and amp, and he defeated terrax as well. he amped his old armor (by simply by-passing safety protocols) to the point where he one-shot ko'd a staggered savage hulk. his armor seized but he still ko'd him--and that was the ancient armor. IM has beaten damn near everyone at some point yet for some reason, he is being very short-changed in this battle.

focused sonics, multiple shields, energy absorption, the ability to continually pummel thor from above with high energy blasts. again, i see no way this is a sure win for thor.

those are non-extremis armour feats

we already saw extremis get whooped by thor using base attacks that you guys are suggesting, and that chemically enhanced guy he fought when he first used it did pretty well, he lost but thor would have klled iron man and that guy at the same time with ease.

Originally posted by leonidas
a sonic assault would affect him, imo. his uni-bolts have nearly ko'd ionic goliath and if he cupped his hands over thor's ears and let lose a fullpower repulsor blast that sure as hell would affect thor in a very bad way. since i don't see the liklihood of him ko'ing IM with lightning as being very high, (everyone he ko'd without mjollnir was pretty much standing still) he'd be left with h2h. tough to hit tony, especially if he goes auto-pilot and assumes nano-second-esque reflexes.

i'm equally boggled as i see no way this IS a sure win for thor.

Why the hell would it if it didn't affect Hercules?

That's nice. I highly doubt a repulsor blast over Thor's ears would do anything to Thor. Especially hurt him badly.

You don't seem to be understanding how completely ineffective his repulsors have been against Thor.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsDraxIronManWaspCap3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsDraxIronManWaspCap4.jpg

A full power repulsor blast at point blank range followed up by a blast of energy from Drax does nothing but momentarily knock Thor down.

Here point blank repulsor blasts from a mind controlled Iron Man to Thor's face do absolutely nothing.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsAvengers8.jpg

Like I said, I doubt repulsor's blasts will do any kind of damage at all to Thor, no matter where he aims them.

The most effective I've ever seen his repulsor blasts being against Thor was when multiple quick succession repulsor blasts to the face (Or was it chest?) stagger Thor. And by stagger I mean turn his body a bit to the side.

Iron Man himself knows that he can't actually do anything that would fall in the category of actual damage to Thor.

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsHulkIronMan2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsHulkIronMan3.jpg

Really, why not? Thor's lightning has enough feats to suggest him being able to knock out Iron Man is well within his range of power. It's more likely to happen here when he doesn't have Mjolnir than it would it a normal fight. Mjolnir tames Thor's power and gives him fine control over it. I do however think that the lightning has to be at a level that it would overload Tony's system etc. or he could just absorb it. Although I haven't seen Tony use that ability in a while. Back in the day Tony was really good at fighting the big dogs from time to time by resorting to his bag of tricks.

Since when has Tony had nano second reflexes?

Tony simply has no weapons to put Thor down. His best bet is to keep out of reach and keep it at a stalemate. This unfortunately might simply frustrate Thor and cause him to tap into his more versatile nature and not fight like a brick. Which wouldn't be very good for Tony at all.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
those are non-extremis armour feats

yep. extris version>>>>>>>ancient red/gold.

sure, but not all aspects of the other armours carry over

Originally posted by leonidas
anyway, here is old school IM easily absorbing a lightning blast from thor and amping himself to the point where he was taking it to thor h2h easily:

http://img684.imageshack.us/i/lightning1.jpg/

http://img24.imageshack.us/i/lightning2pm.jpg/

notice too that the wasp's blast was able to harm thor. earlier in that same issue IM's repulsors were also shown to affect thor.

IM has ko'd surfer via energy drain and amp, and he defeated terrax as well. he amped his old armor (by simply by-passing safety protocols) to the point where he one-shot ko'd a staggered savage hulk. his armor seized but he still ko'd him--and that was the ancient armor. IM has beaten damn near everyone at some point yet for some reason, he is being very short-changed in this battle.

focused sonics, multiple shields, energy absorption, the ability to continually pummel thor from above with high energy blasts. again, i see no way this is a sure win for thor.

That is probably the best Iron Man has looked against Thor. His quick on his feet like that. I however haven't seen him use such a tactic in a long time. At least not in extremis.

Iron Man went from being completely ineffective to being able to actual cause Thor pain. Don't oversell it.

Yes Wasp's attacks were able to harm Thor. Proves what exactly? Even Thor can be worn down.

Focused sonics will do what again exactly? His shields will only last so long before Thor puts him down. Which won't be very long at all.

High energy blasts? His attacks will do jack to Thor.

It's a win for Thor.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why the hell would it if it didn't affect Hercules?

That's nice. I highly doubt a repulsor blast over Thor's ears would do anything to Thor. Especially hurt him badly.

You don't seem to be understanding how completely ineffective his repulsors have been against Thor.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsDraxIronManWaspCap3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsDraxIronManWaspCap4.jpg

A full power repulsor blast at point blank range followed up by a blast of energy from Drax does nothing but momentarily knock Thor down. And this Thor was trying to fight off mind control here.

Here, point blank repulsor blasts from a mind controlled Iron Man to Thor's face do absolutely nothing.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsAvengers8.jpg

Like I said, I doubt repulsor's blasts will do any kind of damage at all to Thor, no matter where he aims them.

The most effective I've ever seen his repulsor blasts being against Thor was when multiple quick succession repulsor blasts to the face stagger Thor. And by stagger I mean turn his torso to the side.

Iron Man himself knows that he can't actually do anything that would fall in the category of actual damage to Thor.

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsHulkIronMan2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsHulkIronMan3.jpg

Really, why not? Thor's lightning has enough feats to suggest him being able to knock out Iron Man is well within his range of power. It's more likely to happen here when he doesn't have Mjolnir than it would it a normal fight. Mjolnir tames Thor's power and gives him fine control over it.

Since when has Tony had nano second reflexes?

Tony simply has no weapons to put Thor down. His best bet is to keep out of reach and keep it at a stalemate. This unfortunately might simply frustrate Thor and cause him to tap into his more versatile nature and not fight like a brick. Which wouldn't be very good for Tony at all.

the moondragon thor wasn't holding back at all. and tony was able to use the lightning to easily match thor h2h and in fact give him an advantage over him. ironically, when IM stopped holding back HE had the advantage.

his RECENT repulsors have knocked ulik on his arse and apparently ko'd him or taken him out of the fight. yet you think thor would just stand there unfazed? especially if they were planted inside his head?? uhh . . . not a chance.

there's a scan of tony's reflexes in extremis mode. i actually think it was PICO-second reflexes. it was used in a tourney. bw or galan may have it available readily.

show thor--without mjollnir--using lightning to hit anyone moving at superspeed, let alone someone capable of absorbing the energy of the ss. his shields have been strong enough to withstand a nuclear blast at close range.

and what is all this versatility thor would call upon without his hammer?

if IM stays away, he could accumulate enough damage to ko thor.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That is probably the best Iron Man has looked against Thor. His quick on his feet like that. I however haven't seen him use such a tactic in a long time. At least not in extremis.

Iron Man went from being completely ineffective to being able to actual cause Thor pain. Don't oversell it.

and gain the ADVANTAGE. don't UNDERSELL it. and again, that is the ancient version of his armor.



ummmm . . . exactly? that's precisely what i've been saying. continual outbursts from a distance and he could wear him down enough to ko.



extremis can repower itself on the fly. shield power won't be an issue--primarily because i don't see how thor will even hit him from the ground.



lol you just said he could be worn down. MAYBE the first couple blasts could be weathered, but repeated blasts WOULD accrete enough damage to weaken and ko him. if he stays away or only temporarily engages in h2h.



10/10 for IM? no. but if he fights smart he could take a bunch.

Originally posted by leonidas
the moondragon thor wasn't holding back at all. and tony was able to use the lightning to easily match thor h2h and in fact give him an advantage over him. ironically, when IM stopped holding back HE had the advantage.

I never said he was. It should be noted that he was trying to fight the mind control as I recall.

What do you mean when Iron Man stopped holding back? He even states that his repulsors were at full power.

He hit Thor twice in quick succession. If that fight would have lasted, Iron Man would have had shit pushed in the end. The energy he gained could only last so long and Thor's very quick to bounce back.

Originally posted by leonidas
his RECENT repulsors have knocked ulik on his arse and apparently ko'd him or taken him out of the fight. yet you think thor would just stand there unfazed? especially if they were planted inside his head?? uhh . . . not a chance.

LMAO! Taking out Ulik is supposed to impress me and suggest his repulsor blasts will do something to Thor? Lol. Maybe if this was a few decades ago I'd be impressed. Just out of curiosity, what issue are you talking about?

And just in case you missed it:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/IronManvsThor6.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/IronManvsThor7.jpg

Repulsor blasts have not been anything more than an annoyance against Thor and I don't think that will change now.

Originally posted by leonidas
there's a scan of tony's reflexes in extremis mode. i actually think it was PICO-second reflexes. it was used in a tourney. bw or galan may have it available readily.

Can you find it? The biggest moment of super speed that stands out in my mind is during the end of the extremis arc when he fights that terrorist.

Originally posted by leonidas
show thor--without mjollnir--using lightning to hit anyone moving at superspeed, let alone someone capable of absorbing the energy of the ss. his shields have been strong enough to withstand a nuclear blast at close range.

Without Mjolnir in the scene? There isn't any as far as I know.

When was the last time you recall Iron Man using the energy absorption trick? I haven't seen it since he gained extremis myself.

His fighting a high end Class 100 here. I'm not impressed.

Originally posted by leonidas
and what is all this versatility thor would call upon without his hammer?

Ability to create containment fields. That's two Nuclear Warheads by the way. More power than I'd say Stark is packing:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ContainsNukes2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ContainsNuke3.jpg

Energy generation. That's Desak just so you know. He feeds on godly energy like Superman feeds on sunlight. Thor was still hurting him. Iron Man would be toast I'd wager:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsDesak5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsDesak6.jpg

He incinerates the Bloodaxe which is a Mjolnir like weapon. A blast packing so much power if it's hits Stark, I'd wager it'd be the end of the fight.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsDesak5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsPerrikus7.jpg

Originally posted by leonidas
if IM stays away, he could accumulate enough damage to ko thor.

Heh.

I don't think you've actually been paying attention to the scans I've been posting. Excluding that little scene with the lightning, Iron Man's attacks have been completely ineffective against Thor.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I never said he was. It should be noted that he was trying to fight the mind control as I recall.

What do you mean when Iron Man stopped holding back? He even states that his repulsors were at full power.

He hit Thor twice in quick succession. If that fight would have lasted, Iron Man would have had shit pushed in the end. The energy he gained could only last so long and Thor's very quick to bounce back.



LMAO! Taking out Ulik is supposed to impress me and suggest his repulsor blasts will do something to Thor? Lol. Maybe if this was a few decades ago I'd be impressed. Just out of curiosity, what issue are you talking about?

And just in case you missed it:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/IronManvsThor6.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/IronManvsThor7.jpg

Repulsor blasts have not been anything more than an annoyance against Thor and I don't think that will change now.



Can you find it? The biggest moment of super speed that stands out in my mind is during the end of the extremis arc when he fights that terrorist.



Without Mjolnir in the scene? There isn't any as far as I know.

When was the last time you recall Iron Man using the energy absorption trick? I haven't seen it since he gained extremis myself.

His fighting a high end Class 100 here. I'm not impressed.



Ability to create containment fields. That's two Nuclear Warheads by the way. More power than I'd say Stark is packing:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ContainsNukes2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ContainsNuke3.jpg

Energy generation. That's Desak just so you know. He feeds on godly energy like Superman feeds on sunlight. Thor was still hurting him. Iron Man would be toast I'd wager:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsDesak5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsDesak6.jpg

He incinerates the Bloodaxe which is a Mjolnir like weapon. A blast packing so much power if it's hits Stark, I'd wager it'd be the end of the fight.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsDesak5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsPerrikus7.jpg



Heh.

I don't think you've actually been paying attention to the scans I've been posting. Excluding that little scene with the lightning, Iron Man's attacks have been completely ineffective against Thor.

I love Thor, but JMS is terribly biased against IM. All his appearances in stories written by JMS are pretty much horrible.

not convinces extremis has what the older suits posses as a sum

he sure could have used 1/3 of those capabilities against thor last time they tussled http://i49.tinypic.com/14aaohf.gif

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
I love Thor, but JMS is terribly biased against IM. All his appearances in stories written by JMS are pretty much horrible.

You also have to take into account this was the "crap all over Stark" era of Marvel, thanks to his role in Civil War. Tony was placed on a platter to virtually everyone and was getting his ass beat left and right. Considering his role in the creation of Clor, many people clamored for Thor to "have words with" his old friend.

Originally posted by leonidas
and gain the ADVANTAGE. don't UNDERSELL it. and again, that is the ancient version of his armor.

ummmm . . . exactly? that's precisely what i've been saying. continual outbursts from a distance and he could wear him down enough to ko.

extremis can repower itself on the fly. shield power won't be an issue--primarily because i don't see how thor will even hit him from the ground.

lol you just said he could be worn down. MAYBE the first couple blasts could be weathered, but repeated blasts WOULD accrete enough damage to weaken and ko him. if he stays away or only temporarily engages in h2h.

10/10 for IM? no. but if he fights smart he could take a bunch.

The gold and red incarnation of Stark was much more battle savy than extremis as far as I can tell. At least outside of his own series. Some of his worst showings have happened in extremis as far as I can tell. During Civil War, everyone was kicking his ass.

Maybe you might have missed it but Thor was attacked by Iron Man's repulsor's, Wasp's stings, Drax's cosmic bolts, an amped Iron Man's punches, and then he felt Wasp's sting. Iron Man's repulsor's solely won't wear Thor down. They've head practically no effect at all against Thor. He was able to punch outside of his league for a bit (Tony Stark that is.) which enabled Thor to be hurt by the sting of the Wasp but without some sort of amping, Stark won't wear Thor down.

The chances of Iron Man's repulsors wearing down Thor are about as equal as the Wasp wearing Thor down solely with her stings.

Okay. It won't help however if Thor takes him out of the fight. Thor can fly without Mjolnir or summon lightning from the sky just so you know.

Haha. I think the chances of repulsor blasts knocking Thor out are about as likely as a down pour of rain knocking him out. I mean, damage accumulates does it not? Repulsors have had NO effect on Thor. Iron Man outright states that he can't actually hurt Thor.

If you think so, fine.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
not convinces extremis has what the older suits posses as a sum

he sure could have used 1/3 of those capabilities against thor last time they tussled

Yea, back in the day by being clever, Iron Man could bat out of his league now and then taking his enemies by surprise but currently? He isn't as battle savy in my opinion.

I'll continue this later. Leo is taking too long.

Question: is it even possible, no matter how fast, to dodge lightning from the sky? I'm pretty sure lightning picks its path through objects just before it strikes and then moves through those objects. That's just the way it works. Thoughts?

pretty much, though comic lightning seems to rely on aim like any other projected attack (most of the time) *shrugs*

Originally posted by aristoraptor
Question: is it even possible, no matter how fast, to dodge lightning from the sky? I'm pretty sure lightning picks its path through objects just before it strikes and then moves through those objects. That's just the way it works. Thoughts?

Yes. People fast enough like Quicksilver have done it multiple times before.

I seem to remember Thor flat out catching Quicksilver by the throat in the recent Mighty Avengers when Pym asks Loki to join the Avengers. He said something like, 'Know your place around gods.' That's pretty fast.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
You also have to take into account this was the "crap all over Stark" era of Marvel, thanks to his role in Civil War. Tony was placed on a platter to virtually everyone and was getting his ass beat left and right. Considering his role in the creation of Clor, many people clamored for Thor to "have words with" his old friend.

The last part was pretty stupid, considering that Blake was all chummy with Reed and Thor didn't even raise an eyebrow. But yeah Civil War was a pretty crappy time to be an Iron Man fan, which indirectly influenced how people felt about the Extremis upgrade.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
The last part was pretty stupid, considering that Blake was all chummy with Reed and Thor didn't even raise an eyebrow. But yeah Civil War was a pretty crappy time to be an Iron Man fan, which indirectly influenced how people felt about the Extremis upgrade.



I like Iron Man, not as much as Thor though, and I got a lot of shit for being an IM fan during Civil War.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
The last part was pretty stupid, considering that Blake was all chummy with Reed and Thor didn't even raise an eyebrow. But yeah Civil War was a pretty crappy time to be an Iron Man fan, which indirectly influenced how people felt about the Extremis upgrade.

It's clear that what Reed has done is not forgotten. Reed even brings up the "problems" between him and Thor and Blake says that whatever exists between Thor and Reed, is between Thor and Reed.

I honestly hate the fact that they made Blake and Thor separate entities.

Bendis and all his stupid glory even specifically wrote that Blake and Thor always exchanged places and didn't become each other in the new Avenger's oral history. Which makes literally no sense at all. Like whatsoever.

If that shit sticks, I'm really going to hate JMS for it.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It's clear that what Reed has done is not forgotten. Reed even brings up the "problems" between him and Thor and Blake says that whatever exists between Thor and Reed, is between Thor and Reed.

I honestly hate the fact that they made Blake and Thor separate entities.

Bendis and all his stupid glory even specifically wrote that Blake and Thor always exchanged places and didn't become each other in the new Avenger's oral history. Which makes literally no sense at all. Like whatsoever.

If that shit sticks, I'm really going to hate JMS for it.

It wasn't forgotten by Reed, but Blake pretty much sidestepped it (with a legitimate reason) and there wasn't much of a reaction from Thor. Apart from that, I don't think it was brought up again.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
It wasn't forgotten by Reed, but Blake pretty much sidestepped it (with a legitimate reason) and there wasn't much of a reaction from Thor. Apart from that, I don't think it was brought up again.

Blake sidestepping it was legitimate as you said. It wasn't between him and Reed. We never saw Thor's reaction because we'll more than likely see it when Reed and Thor meet. Same reason why it probably wasn't brought up in the issue again. His had "words" with Stark. I wonder how he'll react to Reed.

Originally posted by Galan007
Um, no. BRB is the one who used that attack:

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6690/thor08222.th.jpg http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8892/thor08223.th.jpg

doesnt the previous panel show Thor calling down lightning on Durok? the next one being BRB's?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I never said he was. It should be noted that he was trying to fight the mind control as I recall.

What do you mean when Iron Man stopped holding back? He even states that his repulsors were at full power.

He hit Thor twice in quick succession. If that fight would have lasted, Iron Man would have had shit pushed in the end. The energy he gained could only last so long and Thor's very quick to bounce back.



LMAO! Taking out Ulik is supposed to impress me and suggest his repulsor blasts will do something to Thor? Lol. Maybe if this was a few decades ago I'd be impressed. Just out of curiosity, what issue are you talking about?

And just in case you missed it:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/IronManvsThor6.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/IronManvsThor7.jpg

Repulsor blasts have not been anything more than an annoyance against Thor and I don't think that will change now.



Can you find it? The biggest moment of super speed that stands out in my mind is during the end of the extremis arc when he fights that terrorist.



Without Mjolnir in the scene? There isn't any as far as I know.

When was the last time you recall Iron Man using the energy absorption trick? I haven't seen it since he gained extremis myself.

His fighting a high end Class 100 here. I'm not impressed.



Ability to create containment fields. That's two Nuclear Warheads by the way. More power than I'd say Stark is packing:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ContainsNukes2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ContainsNuke3.jpg

Energy generation. That's Desak just so you know. He feeds on godly energy like Superman feeds on sunlight. Thor was still hurting him. Iron Man would be toast I'd wager:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsDesak5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsDesak6.jpg

He incinerates the Bloodaxe which is a Mjolnir like weapon. A blast packing so much power if it's hits Stark, I'd wager it'd be the end of the fight.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsDesak5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsPerrikus7.jpg



Heh.

I don't think you've actually been paying attention to the scans I've been posting. Excluding that little scene with the lightning, Iron Man's attacks have been completely ineffective against Thor.

first, why on earth on you showing scans that have exactly zero relevence to, well...... anything? showing scans of odinforce thor=less than irrelevent so that whole set of scans at the end is utterly meaningless.

next, your scan of thor taking the repulsor blast is also not nearly as telling as you seem to believe for a couple reasons. first, HE HAS HIS HAMMER IN HIS HAND. therefore, it's impossible to say whether it played a role in what happened. we see he has his left hand raised in the silhouette and his right arm thrown back. mjollnir was in his left hand. he could easily be absorbing or deflecting some of the blast as he has done so often to energy attacks in the past. frankly, we can't say. we have seen old blasts do more than that in the past, however, so it is not at all unreasonable. and then there is the fact that that was just a SINGLE blast. no way you can theorize that he could simply weather a dozen, 2 dozen, as easily, especially computer targetted and timed to hit in multiple places. that particular supposition is utterly ridiculous.

the ulik scan is in the respect thread, though again, if galan comes on he'll likely have it at hand. and yeah, if he can ko or take ulik out of a battle with a shot, i'd think it would do more than 'feel like rain' to thor. LOL especially if he pounds him enough times in conjunction with other attacks.

you think the best he can do is stalemate? so even 50 repulsor blasts wouldn't be enough to weaken him when a single combined drax/IM/wasp blast and a couple punches weakened him to the point where WASP ALONE could harm him?? and YOUR mind is boggled?

Originally posted by leonidas
first, why on earth on you showing scans that have exactly zero relevence to, well...... anything? showing scans of odinforce thor=less than irrelevent so that whole set of scans at the end is utterly meaningless.

Back then JMS still hadn't decided to give Thor the Odinforce as far as I can tell. There was a reason as to why when Iron Man asked if Thor had been working out (I.e Gotten stronger.) he simply said he wasn't holding back anymore. He seemed to be cutting loose and not amped in that fight. Repulsor's having no affect is in line with Thor and Iron Man's history.

Originally posted by leonidas
next, your scan of thor taking the repulsor blast is also not nearly as telling as you seem to believe for a couple reasons. first, HE HAS HIS HAMMER IN HIS HAND. therefore, it's impossible to say whether it played a role in what happened. we see he has his left hand raised in the silhouette and his right arm thrown back. mjollnir was in his left hand. he could easily be absorbing or deflecting some of the blast as he has done so often to energy attacks in the past. frankly, we can't say.

Haha what? Mjolnir is in his right hand. His left hand is slightly raised in front of the repulsor blast while his right hand is behind him.

Originally posted by leonidas
we have seen old blasts do more than that in the past, however, so it is not at all unreasonable. and then there is the fact that that was just a SINGLE blast. no way you can theorize that he could simply weather a dozen, 2 dozen, as easily, especially computer targetted and timed to hit in multiple places. that particular supposition is utterly ridiculous.

When have we seen old blasts do more than that? The time when repeated multiple blasts of repulsors to Thor's face was able to move his body a bit?

Originally posted by leonidas
the ulik scan is in the respect thread, though again, if galan comes on he'll likely have it at hand. and yeah, if he can ko or take ulik out of a battle with a shot, i'd think it would do more than 'feel like rain' to thor. LOL especially if he pounds him enough times in conjunction with other attacks.

You better not be thinking about Thor Vol. 2 #81 where a two handed repulsor blast from Iron Man knocks back a chained Ulik and does him no harm. Iron Man being able to only throw Ulik of his feet doesn't bode well for him here. And seeing how he fared against Loki, I'm honestly not seeing Iron Man being much of a threat here.

Originally posted by leonidas
you think the best he can do is stalemate? so even 50 repulsor blasts wouldn't be enough to weaken him when a single combined drax/IM/wasp blast and a couple punches weakened him to the point where WASP ALONE could harm him?? and YOUR mind is boggled?

Actually I do. Repulsor blasts have seemed to have no effect on Thor besides moving him physically from what I've seen. If you hadn't noticed, those weren't just a few punches but Iron Man batting out of his league when being amped by a lot of excess energy. A single one of those punches seemed to affect Thor more than all of Iron Man's repulsor attacks put together have.

As Superman showed us, get hit with enough power and you can be taken down by something like an exploding Gas Station. I doubt 50 Gas Stations to Superman's face would do anything on a regular occasion however.

I've honestly not seen anything in Iron vs. Thor matches to make me thing 50 or 100 repulsor blasts to the face would do anything more than annoy Thor. Especially since multiple bursts of repulsor blasts directly in Thor's face/chest didn't actually do anything besides well, annoying him.

Once again:

Two handed repulsor blasts directly to Thor's face having no effect:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsAvengers8.jpg

Repulsor blasts once again having no effect. Tony even admits that he can't even hurt Thor (And was that a Uni-Beam attack that Thor compared to nothing more than a glancing light, or just a beam of light?):
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsHulkIronMan2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsHulkIronMan3.jpg

Full Power Repulsor blasts in conjunction with Drax's and Wasp's attacks having no effect:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsDraxIronManWaspCap3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsDraxIronManWaspCap4.jpg

Repulsor blasts from Extremis having no effect:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/IronManvsThor6.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/IronManvsThor6.jpg

Based on the above scans, I don't see why 4 or 40 of the above completely useless attacks would do Thor any sort of damage that could set up Iron Man for a knock out.

BUT since I'm such a nice guy, I'll say that Iron Man might win one or two based on this where War Machine possessed by Loki fight where he is able to throw around a Thor who doesn't want to fight back. Thor is of course once again completely unharmed by his repulsor attacks but I'll relent:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsWarMachine5.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsWarMachine8.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsWarMachine9.jpg

He was even able to hurt Thor when he flies double fisted thrusters on full at the top of Thor's head. Thor was taken by surprise it should be noted and thought he was his friend.

couldnt thor just tank everything iron mans got then punch him to death?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He can generate lightning from every part of his body.

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/CreatesDestructionStormGiants2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/OmniLightning5.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/OmniLightning6.jpg

I hate the extreme 90's Thor. Why did they have to make him shirtless?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Back then JMS still hadn't decided to give Thor the Odinforce as far as I can tell. There was a reason as to why when Iron Man asked if Thor had been working out (I.e Gotten stronger.) he simply said he wasn't holding back anymore. He seemed to be cutting loose and not amped in that fight. Repulsor's having no affect is in line with Thor and Iron Man's history.

i wasn't talking about that. i was talking about your other scans. and taking ONE blast, does NOT mean he can take MANY. you're point is utterly illogical. one the one hand you say drax+IM+wasp can simultaneously accrete enough damage to allow wasp a little later to actually harm him with her STING, yet you say SEVERAL (perhaps dozens by battle's end) far more POWERFUL blasts from IM would NOT accumulate to the point where he could damage thor AT ALL?? illogical in the extreme.



yeah, that was an oops. i realized it later but it was too late to edit....



in the other scan i showed they did more than that. and these blasts are considerably more powerful than the old ones anyway.



yeah, that's the one. and 'throw him off his feet'? he was ko'd. he's laying back, eyes closed. he also one shots a giant in that arc. yet repeated blasts like that won't add up at all and will do nothing to thor? c'mon, you gotta be kidding.



and? IM has been shown to be able to amp his armor independently when he needs to. i think it's the extremis that can also convert at will into other versions. what's to keep him from converting into hulkbuster armor if he needed to?



your analogy is meaningless when we've seen blasts from drax (likely equal to IM's blasts) and WASP (less than IM's blasts) together cause him harm. and his new repulsors are more powerful and of course, are not his only options. pulse bolts could CERTAINLY do harm.



which of course, makes no sense.....



multiple equal maybe 2, once? and this means 50 won't do anything? makes sense.



he could take some because it makes sense, and your point about 1-2 not doing much meaning 50 won't do anything makes zero sense. it also ignores the other weapons he could use in conjunction like pulse bolts, sonics, microwave bursts, self-amping, transforming (if that was indeed extremis), computer-targetted repulsors (perhaps dozens inside seconds) as well as the fact that with shields he has withstood a nuclear explosions and with shields and speed it would be almost impossible for thor to hit him while IM could just pummel him all day.

but yeah, he could win a couple because you're a nice guy. concession accepted.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
we already saw extremis get whooped by thor using base attacks that you guys are suggesting Tony has stated numerous times that Extremis is leaps and bounds superior to any of his previous armors, but more on point... Are you talking about their encounter in Thor #3 (2007)? If so, then that battle doesn't fit within the parameters of this particular match at all. Why? Because in that battle, a pissed off Thor first softened up a far less eager Tony with Mjolnir (which he doesn't have here) before utilizing any type of energy attack. Secondly, that was OF Thor. Thirdly, a single round of repulsors was the only offensive/defensive tactic Tony pulled from his bag 'o tricks - he wouldn't be fighting to that 'standard' here.

Anyhow, something pertaining more to this match which should be taken from that encounter, is the fact that 2 consecutive hammer strikes from an enraged Thor hardly even fazed an unshielded Tony.

Originally posted by Galan007
Tony has stated numerous times that Extremis is leaps and bounds superior to any of his previous armors in terms of reaction speeds, and other stuff like that yes, but using various things from his previous suits is strictly speculation at this point.

he has the standard uni-beam, repulsers, sonic emitters, etc. but i haven't seen for example the magnetic feats he had in the 80's armour nor the silver centurion that would prove he incorporated those aspects into the extremis.

Originally posted by Galan007
Are you talking about their encounter in Thor #3 (2007)? If so, then that battle doesn't fit within the parameters of this particular match at all. Why? Because in that battle, a pissed off Thor first softened up a far less eager Tony with Mjolnir (which he doesn't have here) before utilizing any type of energy attack. Secondly, that was OF Thor. Thirdly, a single round of repulsors was the only offensive/defensive tactic Tony pulled from his bag 'o tricks - he wouldn't be fighting to that 'standard' here.

well, stark always had issue with thor, and that encounter showed why: he can't do jack to him without beefing his suit up with prep.

yeah it was of thor, but like i stated before extremis wasn't having an easy time with that chemically enhanced dude also, and thor didn't want to kill him either, unless OF thor beat on him just like he treated bor

classic thor would destroy extremis ironman without mjolnir, his fight within exitar proves he's nothing to mess with even without it and he was wrecking constructs seemingly far more durable than extremis given it's performance against several opponents.


Originally posted by Galan007
the fact that 2 consecutive hammer strikes from an enraged Thor hardly even fazed an unshielded Tony.

he would have killed him if he wanted to.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsCelestials17.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsCelestials18Thor389.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsCelestials19.jpg

then sprinkle in the durok shit on that too, not a good look for tony

he can't keep the shields on forever, and that's presuming they are the ones we have see in other suites, and that they would stand up tp a furious pounding from thor

Originally posted by psycho gundam
in terms of reaction speeds, and other stuff like that yes, but using various things from his previous suits is strictly speculation at this point.

he has the standard uni-beam, repulsers, sonic emitters, etc. but i haven't seen for example the magnetic feats he had in the 80's armour nor the silver centurion that would prove he incorporated those aspects into the extremis.



well, stark always had issue with thor, and that encounter showed why: he can't do jack to him without beefing his suit up with prep.

yeah it was of thor, but like i stated before extremis wasn't having an easy time with that chemically enhanced dude also, and thor didn't want to kill him either, unless OF thor beat on him just like he treated bor

classic thor would destroy extremis ironman without mjolnir, his fight within exitar proves he's nothing to mess with even without it and he was wrecking constructs seemingly far more durable than extremis given it's performance against several opponents.




he would have killed him if he wanted to.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsCelestials17.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsCelestials18Thor389.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsCelestials19.jpg

then sprinkle in the durok shit on that too, not a good look for tony


PFFFT... Obviousy Tony's armor >>>>> Celestial armor.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
in terms of reaction speeds, and other stuff like that yes, but using various things from his previous suits is strictly speculation at this point.

he has the standard uni-beam, repulsers, sonic emitters, etc. but i haven't seen for example the magnetic feats he had in the 80's armour nor the silver centurion that would prove he incorporated those aspects into the extremis.

well, stark always had issue with thor, and that encounter showed why: he can't do jack to him without beefing his suit up with prep.

yeah it was of thor, but like i stated before extremis wasn't having an easy time with that chemically enhanced dude also, and thor didn't want to kill him either, unless OF thor beat on him just like he treated bor

classic thor would destroy extremis ironman without mjolnir, his fight within exitar proves he's nothing to mess with even without it and he was wrecking constructs seemingly far more durable than extremis given it's performance against several opponents.

he would have killed him if he wanted to.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsCelestials17.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsCelestials18Thor389.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsCelestials19.jpg

then sprinkle in the durok shit on that too, not a good look for tony There are only 2 things from your post that I'm going to comment on. Anything else would likely be a waste of time...

When you say "chemically enhanced dude", do you mean Mallen? If so, Extremis Tony wtfowned him with a ludicrous degree of prejudice. In fact, that 'battle' would rank in my top 10 comic book ownings of all time.

And what are those scans meant to show?

yeah that's his name. yes it was a good fight, but you have to admit that mallen had him near the end when he was about to rip his suit open. thor would have succeeded and then....

basically the scans show a weakend thor after using the god blast beat down several guys probably above mallen's weight class without extra powers.

it was from memory, but i thought he did a bit more before he jumped into the "brain" *shrugs*

^ Mallen only had the chance to get at Tony's suit, because Tony didn't want to have to kill him (which he ultimately did anyway.) But before that, Mallen was getting owned as though he were a minor inconvenience.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
yeah that's his name. yes it was a good fight, but you have to admit that mallen had him near the end when he was about to rip his suit open. thor would have succeeded and then....

basically the scans show a weakend thor after using the god blast beat down several guys probably above mallen's weight class without extra powers.

it was from memory, but i thought he did a bit more before he jumped into the "brain" *shrugs*

Are you talking about pre-Extremis Tony? Because he got handled. Extremis Tony embarrassed Mallen, who also had the Extremis virus in him. The guy couldn't even see Tony move when he didn't want him to.

until he got him down and was about to tear the suit open

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Mallen only had the chance to get at Tony's suit, because Tony didn't want to have to kill him (which he ultimately did anyway.) But before that, Mallen was getting owned as though he were a minor inconvenience. which wouldn't work on thor

^ Again, because Tony didn't want to have to kill him.

^ again, the powers displayed wouldn't take thor down uhuh

^ I never said they would. You're the one who brought up that particular battle. I simply commented on certain 'specifics' you mentioned that I thought were incorrect.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
basically the scans show a weakend thor after using the god blast beat down several guys probably above mallen's weight class without extra powers.

So you're randomly assuming those guys are above Mallen's level just...because? They don't perform any feats in those scans besides bum-rushing Thor, and that's not a feat. Mallen almost killed Tony, and rather easily at that.

probably, yes.

heaviest thing mallen lifted was a car so...... guessing the celestial spawned guys could be stronger physically isn't that big of a stretch. thor punched like 10 off of him and seemingly out cold

^ Like I said earlier, Tony took a hammer strike from a pissed off OF Thor, relatively unfazed... And that was with no shielding in place. So IF Tony for some reason put all of his better judgment aside and decided to bumrush Thor (who is hammerless here), he could likely take numerous physical blows (especially with shields on.)

But if Tony played it smart and used the more exotic functions of his armor, he could make this quite a battle.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
probably, yes.

heaviest thing mallen lifted was a car so...... guessing the celestial spawned guys could be stronger physically isn't that big of a stretch. thor punched like 10 off of him and seemingly out cold

Seem more like an "unknown" than anything else.

You're seriously low-balling Mallen here. Throwing a car is around Class 5 strength, and he was exhibiting far more than that. Do I have to emphasize that he critically injured Stark while he was within the armor? He cracked the mid-section of the armor with a punch, broke his hand, tanked missiles and repulsor blasts, and ran over 300 mph. All of that happened to Tony before the Extremis upgrade (which would have been Model 29), and he was wiping the floor with Mallen in the second fight.

If you don't think Extremis Iron Man can win, fine. But don't try to use the Mallen fight as 'evidence' because it clearly shows how much of an upgrade Extremis really was.

i agree, cause mallen has nothing on thor