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Who wins?

Thor gets blitzed.

Been done (well with just wolverine it has) and it may be possible for the pair to end up in Orbit, or at least out of the state. Barring BFR..Wolverine and cub can still be Ko'd. Unlikely though, they're a bit swift.

WWH koed wolverine pretty easily...Thor can do the same

Originally posted by bbrem123
WWH koed wolverine pretty easily umm thor is nowhere near as strong or as durable as wwh

thor

its not the fact of just strength....it was also how he dealt with wolverine too...just pounded his brains to mush...thor can do the same

Pure melee combat eh?

Thor takes his time beating the shit out of them while their kicks and punches bounce off him.

Originally posted by bbrem123
its not the fact of just strength....it was also how he dealt with wolverine too...just pounded his brains to mush...thor can do the same

Hulk can palm Wolverine's entire body, has a healing factor and his arms are thicker than Wolverine's claws are long. If you plugged Thor into the WWH / Wolverine fight, he would be blind and would have lost an arm in like half a dozen panels.

Originally posted by Blanket
Pure melee combat eh?

Thor takes his time beating the shit out of them while their kicks and punches bounce off him.

no because thor has powers where hulk does not...and he is more durable

Originally posted by Blanket
Pure melee combat eh?

Thor takes his time beating the shit out of them while their kicks and punches bounce off him.

Originally posted by bbrem123
no because thor has powers where hulk does not...and he is more durable

No powers he can use in a melee fight, and he isn't more durable than WWH to matter if at all.

Originally posted by Blanket
Pure melee combat eh?

Thor takes his time beating the shit out of them while their kicks and punches bounce off him.

hulk has a healing factor he is less durable then thor...and you said if u plugged thor into the fight that happened in the comic(which is not this thread, so he would do to wolverine what he did to daken)

thor is a much better fighter then hulk...the battle would play out much different

Thor is far stronger than logan and his stupid son..

so what if logan and daken cut thor , thor is a god and as such will heal just as fast if not faster than logan and daken..

all in all thor has excellent h2h skills i do believe without the use mjolnir, so thor takaes this without much effort

Does pure melee combat mean they can't use their claws? If Daken gets the muramasa claws and wolverine can use his own adamantium ones then they gut him unless he BFRs them quickly.

Even if it's just new and normal boneken and regular wolverine, they still have a shot, but not a very good one.

Originally posted by bbrem123
hulk has a healing factor he is less durable then thor...and you said if u plugged thor into the fight that happened in the comic(which is not this thread, so he would do to wolverine what he did to daken)

thor is a much better fighter then hulk...the battle would play out much different

Actually it is essentially what this thread is. Thor limited to melee without the use of his hammer vs Wolverine would play out very similar to Wolverine vs the Hulk, only Thor doesn't have a healing factor. If Hulk fought Wolverine without his healing factor, he'd be dead and that is what will happen to Thor. Thor couldn't take the damage Wolverine dished out to WWH and keep fighting, and he can't deal enough damage to Wolverine to put him down before Wolverine does it first. That is the reality of the situation.

Wolverine doesn't even need Daken. He'll take the high majority on his own. Wolverine is faster, more skilled, has a reach advantage, the potentially to one shot Thor and his healing factor will compensate for any damage he does take.

MC Daken?

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Thor is far stronger than logan and his stupid son..

so what if logan and daken cut thor , thor is a god and as such will heal just as fast if not faster than logan and daken..

all in all thor has excellent h2h skills i do believe without the use mjolnir, so thor takaes this without much effort

AKA Thor wins because he is calls himself a god?

Thor isn't a god. He is an Asguardian, which is an extra-dimensional being who was briefly worshiped by early humanity and has prolonged longevity thanks to the Golden Apples of Idunn. Wolverine is just as a much a "god" as Thor is.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
AKA Thor wins because he is calls himself a god?

Thor isn't a god. He is an Asguardian, which is an extra-dimensional being who was briefly worshiped by early humanity and has prolonged longevity thanks to the Golden Apples of Idunn. Wolverine is just as a much a "god" as Thor is.

Thor is a god. Logan isn't. That's not why Thor wins, though.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
AKA Thor wins because he is calls himself a god?

Standard KMC rule.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor is a god. Logan isn't. That's not why Thor wins, though.

Thor isn't a god, he just calls himself one. Lt. Warren called Wolverine a god. Does that make Wolverine a god? Or does one need to be worshiped to be considered a god? Because... Wolverine is the messiah of his own religion of extra dimensional alien race. Does that make Wolverine a god?

Wolverine is just as much a god as Thor is. AKA not at all.

wow...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Thor isn't a god, he just calls himself one. Lt. Warren called Wolverine a god. Does that make Wolverine a god? Or does one need to be worshiped to be considered a god? Because... Wolverine is the messiah of his own religion of extra dimensional alien race. Does that make Wolverine a god?

Wolverine is just as much a god as Thor is.

Except...he is a god.

I get that you like Logan and respect the character immensely and I respect that. To each his own. But to claim that Logan is just as much of a god as Thor is...well, it's facepalm worthy in the very least.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Actually it is essentially what this thread is. Thor limited to melee without the use of his hammer vs Wolverine would play out very similar to Wolverine vs the Hulk, only Thor doesn't have a healing factor. If Hulk fought Wolverine without his healing factor, he'd be dead and that is what will happen to Thor. Thor couldn't take the damage Wolverine dished out to WWH and keep fighting, and he can't deal enough damage to Wolverine to put him down before Wolverine does it first. That is the reality of the situation.

Wolverine doesn't even need Daken. He'll take the high majority on his own. Wolverine is faster, more skilled, has a reach advantage, the potentially to one shot Thor and his healing factor will compensate for any damage he does take. Why would Thor fight like he has a healing factor that heals all wounds nigh-instantly... when that's exactly what he didn't do during their on-panel fight?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Except...he is a god.

I get you like Logan and respect the character immensely. But to claim that Logan is just as much of a god as Thor is...well, it's facepalm worthy in the very least.

Thor isn't a god. The Asguardians / Olympians and all the other pantheons are extra-dimensional beings. They are only gods in so far as they were briefly worshiped by early humanity. This is all canon in continuity stuff... do you guys not know your Marvel "gods" history?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
AKA Thor wins because he is calls himself a god?

Thor isn't a god. He is an Asguardian, which is an extra-dimensional being who was briefly worshiped by early humanity and has prolonged longevity thanks to the Golden Apples of Idunn. Wolverine is just as a much a "god" as Thor is.

But in marvel that's the definition of being a god. They descend from the elder gods born from the planet's primitive living mystical energies - the demiurge itself. His parents are gods and therefore he is a god.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Thor isn't a god. The Asguardians / Olympians and all the other pantheons are extra-dimensional beings. They are only gods in so far as they were briefly worshiped by early humanity. This is all canon in continuity stuff... do you guys not know your Marvel "gods" history?

So you're sticking to the notion that Logan is just as much of a god as Thor, then?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Thor isn't a god. The Asguardians / Olympians and all the other pantheons are extra-dimensional beings. They are only gods in so far as they were briefly worshiped by early humanity. This is all canon in continuity stuff... do you guys not know your Marvel "gods" history? And Wolverine is an extra-dimensional being worshipped by early humanity since you insist that Wolverine is as much a god as Thor is?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Thor isn't a god. The Asguardians / Olympians and all the other pantheons are extra-dimensional beings. They are only gods in so far as they were briefly worshiped by early humanity. This is all canon in continuity stuff... do you guys not know your Marvel "gods" history?
http://i45.tinypic.com/11b214i.jpg

I can't even believe that this is a discussion. I mean, okay, if people think Wolvie and Daken can beat Thor in melee, whatever. But to suggest that Logan has just as much of a tie to being a deity as Thor...it's unheard of.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Why would Thor fight like he has a healing factor that heals all wounds nigh-instantly... when that's exactly what he didn't do during their on-panel fight?

He can fight how ever he likes. He is up against a faster, more skilled opponent with a reach advantage and unbreakable weapons that can not be disarmed. If he comes into striking range with Wolverine 9/10 he will get hit first and the hits will do more damage relatively speaking. And If Thor tries to grab Wolverine and pound him into submission, best case scenario is he loses a arm.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And Wolverine is an extra-dimensional being worshipped by early humanity since you insist that Wolverine is as much a god as Thor is?

Wolverine is a being who is worshiped by an extra-dimensional race of of alien beings. So... enlighten me whats the difference?

^ Apparently none. barker

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Apparently none.

The difference is he doesn't call himself a god. Thats about it.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine is a being who is worshiped by an extra-dimensional race of of alien beings. So... enlighten me whats the difference?

Earth related gods in Marvel are descendend from the Demiurge and the elder gods. Logan's the product of celestial genetic engineering, not a descendent from the demiurge. He is not the son of Gaia and Odin who are textbook definitions of deities. He is not magical in nature.

Originally posted by 753
Earth related gods in Marvel are descendend from the Demiurge and the elder gods. Logan's the product of celestial genetic engineering, not a descendent from the demiurge. He is not the son of Gaia and Odin who are textbook definitions of deities. He is not magical in nature.

It's true that Thor is unique among the Asguardians in that his mother is one of the "Elder Gods," but even then Gaea isn't really a god either, just an immensely powerful byproduct of the Demiurge. Their origins are messy and convoluted (both Odin and Zues have taken credit for creating humanity - even though chronological humans existed before the so called "New Gods" arrived on Marvel earth through their dimensional portals) but the origins of the pantheons don't have anything directly to do with the Demiurge. They aren't even from this dimension, they just showed up on earth at some time or another after Demogorg and Set fought it out, and Gaea got busy with some of them.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine is just as much a god as Thor is. AKA not at all. Get over it, everybody. There is no difference. Any suggestion to the contrary... could be read as bigotry.

You don't want to be a bigot... do you? crackers

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He can fight how ever he likes. He is up against a faster, more skilled opponent with a reach advantage and unbreakable weapons that can not be disarmed. If he comes into striking range with Wolverine 9/10 he will get hit first and the hits will do more damage relatively speaking. And If Thor tries to grab Wolverine and pound him into submission, best case scenario is he loses a arm.

We have seen this before qand this doesn't end good for Logan.

We have seen Logans lacks the strength to pierce Thor's skin.

Poor Daken won't be even able to do a much if any damage to Thor.

A holding back Thor beat logan going it his best.

Must likley way Thor wins is be Ko

however i see him using logan like a club to bet Daken into a pile of mush and then sending Logan into ordit or myabe russia

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It's true that Thor is unique among the Asguardians in that his mother is one of the "Elder Gods," but even then Gaea isn't really a god either, just an immensely powerful byproduct of the Demiurge. Their origins are messy and convoluted (both Odin and Zues have taken credit for creating humanity - even though chronological humans existed before the so called "New Gods" arrived on Marvel earth through their dimensional portals) but the origins of the pantheons don't have anything directly to do with the Demiurge. They aren't even from this dimension, they just showed up on earth at some time or another after Demogorg and Set fought it out, and Gaea got busy with some of them.

What would constitute a real god in your view? As ooposed to the interdimensional travellers and the offspring of the demiurge.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
We have seen this before qand this doesn't end good for Logan.

We have seen Logans lacks the strength to pierce Thor's skin.

Poor Daken won't be even able to do a much if any damage to Thor.

A holding back Thor beat logan going it his best.

Must likley way Thor wins is be Ko

however i see him using logan like a club to bet Daken into a pile of mush and then sending Logan into ordit or myabe russia

Wolverine... has pierced Thor's skin.

Without his MC claws or pheromones Daken is boreder line useless. That much is true.

Thor wasn't holding back, he said he using his "fiercest" blows among other things. Also he didn't "beat" Wolverine, he just broke his mind control. At the end of the day Wolverine was completely fine and Thor was injured.

Thor isn't getting a hold of Wolverine without losing a limb.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Thor isn't getting a hold of Wolverine without losing a limb.

http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss225/OdinBorson/ThorvsWolverine02.jpg

Originally posted by 753
What would constitute a real god in your view? As ooposed to the interdimensional travellers and the offspring of the demiurge.

As far as I'm concerned if you need a physical form, you aren't a god.

The Asguardians aren't even immortal without aid of magical items. Aside from the power difference they are pretty much the same as the citizens of K'un L'un. Extra-dimensional beings who live in a alternate dimension that intersects with earth. Does anyone think Master Khan is a god? Because called himself one, and his origins are remarkably similar to the rest of the new god Pantheons.

Thor isn't a god, and Marvel Dragons are aliens. These are just facts.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss225/OdinBorson/ThorvsWolverine02.jpg

On the forum Wolverine fights to the best of his abilities.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
On the forum Wolverine fights to the best of his abilities.

So does Thor.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Why would Thor fight like he has a healing factor that heals all wounds nigh-instantly... when that's exactly what he didn't do during their on-panel fight? no he doesn't...thor's hf is shit compared to logan's. logan's claws could rip thor to shreds.

Originally posted by 753
What would constitute a real god in your view? As ooposed to the interdimensional travelers and the offspring of the demiurge.

Of course, even by that definition, the argument could be made that he qualifies:

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/9797/xmench07529.th.jpg http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5421/xmench07530.th.jpg http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/1169/fantasticforcech0320.th.jpg

Nah, but really, if he doesn't possess the "godly" characteristics, ie omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence, the standard of the "perfect good," etc., then why does that title mean more than "superhuman," "mutant," or any other classification that means "more than human"?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I can't even believe that this is a discussion. I mean, okay, if people think Wolvie and Daken can beat Thor in melee, whatever. But to suggest that Logan has just as much of a tie to being a deity as Thor...it's unheard of. in one respect, one can make the case that logan is actually more of a deity than thor and that thor would be a false god when compared to logan.

logan has been called the right hand of God (read: not some odin bullshit god, but THE God)

Also, logan is more immortal than thor.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So does Thor.

Except for the best of Wolverine's abilities means he is free to cut throats, cleave limbs, puncture organs and sever spinal cords, and the best of Thor's ability means... I don't know, what? He is going to punch a bit harder?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Except for the best of Wolverine's abilities means he is free to cut throats, cleave limbs, puncture organs and sever spinal cords, and the best of Thor's ability means... I don't know, what? He is going to punch a bit harder?
Matter manipulate
Blow up planets in single hits
Move faster than light

....

The idea that Wolverine could beat Thor baffles and confuses some posters because Thor is labeled a "god." They hear the word god and they get a massive swinging boner, and come into threads with preconceived notions of what godhood entails. But Thor isn't a god, he is an extra dimensional being who was briefly worshiped by early humanity before the Celestials told them to back off. Hopefully the clarification of what Thor really is will help remove the shutters from the eyes of some posters. Thor isn't a god, not anymore than Wolverine is a god.

In a melee fight Wolverine takes Thor for the high majority.

Originally posted by Ize19
Of course, even by that definition, the argument could be made that he qualifies:

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/9797/xmench07529.th.jpg http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5421/xmench07530.th.jpg http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/1169/fantasticforcech0320.th.jpg

Nah, but really, if he doesn't possess the "godly" characteristics, ie omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence, the standard of the "perfect good," etc., then why does that title mean more than "superhuman," "mutant," or any other classification that means "more than human"?

What is the second comic?

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Matter manipulate
Blow up planets in single hits
Move faster than light

....

Read the stips, he is limited to melee combat and doesn't have his hammer.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The idea that Wolverine could beat Thor baffles and confuses some posters because Thor is labeled a "god." They hear the word god and they get a massive swinging boner, and come into threads with preconceived notions of what godhood entails. But Thor isn't a god, he is an extra dimensional being who was briefly worshiped by early humanity before the Celestials told them to back off. Hopefully the clarification of what Thor really is will help remove the shutters from the eyes of some posters. Thor isn't a god, not anymore than Wolverine is a god.

In a melee fight Wolverine takes Thor for the high majority.

Is that a joke?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Read the stips, he is limited to melee combat and doesn't have his hammer.
He doesnt need his hammer for any of his powers it is simply a focusing tool


Not that it matters anyway

Originally posted by 753
What is the second comic?

Fantastic Force 3 or 4.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Except for the best of Wolverine's abilities means he is free to cut throats, cleave limbs, puncture organs and sever spinal cords, and the best of Thor's ability means... I don't know, what? He is going to punch a bit harder? Logan thought Thor was sabertooth i doubt he will punch any harder then he already has against Thor.

The thing that gives logan any advantage imo is his healing factor which isn't enough here.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The idea that Wolverine could beat Thor baffles and confuses some posters because Thor is labeled a "god." They hear the word god and they get a massive swinging boner, and come into threads with preconceived notions of what godhood entails. But Thor isn't a god, he is an extra dimensional being who was briefly worshiped by early humanity before the Celestials told them to back off. Hopefully the clarification of what Thor really is will help remove the shutters from the eyes of some posters. Thor isn't a god, not anymore than Wolverine is a god.

In a melee fight Wolverine takes Thor for the high majority.

Originally posted by 753
What is the second comic?

Fantastic Force 3, it takes place in the Old Man Logan timeline, which is why I wasn't seriously using it for evidence. Just thought it was funny that you used the fact that Thor was Gaea's son, when this scan was posted in the Wolverine Respect thread, with Gaea calling Wolverine her "closest child."

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Logan thought Thor was sabertooth i doubt he will punch any harder then he already has against Thor.

The thing that gives logan any advantage imo is his healing factor which isn't enough here.

Sabretooth has a healing factor. Which means tactics that would be near useless on Sabretooth and not worth attempting would outright end a melee confrontation with Thor instantly.

Wolverine hamstring's Thor? Done. Wolverine eviscerates Thor? Done. Wolverine opens Thor's the carotid artery? Done. Wolverine severs Thor's spinal cord? Done. Wolverine severs one of Thor's limbs? Done. Wolverine punctures a vital organ? Done. Wolverine lacerates Thor's eye balls? Done. Wolverine could potentially end this fight in a single blow.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Sabretooth has a healing factor. Which means tactics that would be near useless on Sabretooth and not worth attempting would outright end a melee confrontation with Thor instantly.

Wolverine hamstring's Thor? Done. Wolverine eviscerates Thor? Done. Wolverine opens Thor's the carotid artery? Done. Wolverine severs Thor's spinal cord? Done. Wolverine severs one of Thor's limbs? Done. Wolverine punctures a vital organ? Done. Wolverine lacerates Thor's eye balls? Done.

Once again Thors skin is too tough and it is not like he will be standing still.

eye balls are a good tatic but to get a majorty win no way no how

If daken has muramasa claws they gut him good. Pheromones might help too.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Once again Thors skin is too tough and it is not like he will be standing still.

eye balls are a good tatic but to get a majorty win no way no how

Wolverine is faster, more agile and a better fighter with a reach advantage. It doesn't matter if Thor is standing still or not.

Thor's skin isn't too tough. As it stands Wolverine's claws have already penetrated Thor and people exceeding Thor's durability.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine is faster, more agile and a better fighter with a reach advantage. It doesn't matter if Thor is standing still or not.

Thor's skin isn't too tough. As it stands Wolverine's claws have already penetrated Thor and people exceeding Thor's durability.

No to all of the above.

Except the Reach. I think Wolvie might have a better reach.


What happened when Wolverine fought namor would happen vs thor. Times 500

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
No to all of the above.

Except the Reach. I think Wolvie might have a better reach.


What happened when Wolverine fought namor would happen vs thor. Times 500

Umm.... Wolverine is faster (combat speed not flight obviously, but Thor is land locked for this fight), more agile and a better fighter.

When Wolverine fought Namor?

So... Wolverine is going to stab Thor and Thor is going to run away to a pool to heal? Or wait, is Wolverine going to stab Thor and than USAgent is going to come and save him?

Thor's skin prevented Logan from doing significant damage before and Logan was clearly trying to beat "Sabertooth". So, no, I don't see Logan being able to do half the things mentioned here in a single strike.

Wolverine wins.

If it was Thor with Mjolnir in melle fight i would say it was alot closer. But giving Wolverine his claws while Thor is unarmed won't end well at all for him. Unlike with Mjolnir he is incapable of blocking, he isn't fast enough to blitz him without being touched. He doesnt really fight in a way that would ahve him parrying the strikes and stuff; he lacks a powerful healing factor. And Unlike Hulk his arms aren't the size of Logan's body making losing a limb alot easier and making him has less range.


If Daken tries to do anything at all though ,it will do nothing.

The lengths some people go...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Umm.... Wolverine is faster (combat speed not flight obviously, but Thor is land locked for this fight), more agile and a better fighter.

When Wolverine fought Namor?

So... Wolverine is going to stab Thor and Thor is going to run away to a pool to heal? Or wait, is Wolverine going to stab Thor and than USAgent is going to come and save him?
Um. No.

1. Thor's reaction speed cant even be compared to wolverine's. That is like putting Colssus against a school yard bully in a arm wrestling match.

2. Namor didnt retreat to a pool

He jumped in the pool to get to wolverine faster and wolverine tried to lock him in

Why does Wolverine/Daken get their claws in a 'pure' Melee fight?

Originally posted by Blanket
Why does Wolverine/Daken get their claws in a 'pure' Melee fight?

Because without them they can't do shit to Thor, thereby making this thread spite against them.

But then again, Logan is just as much of a god as Thor, so I dunno...

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Because without them they can't do shit to Thor, thereby making this thread spite against them.

But then again, Logan is just as much of a god as Thor, so I dunno... Well, with their claws, 'people' are arguing that Thor gets one shotted...

True. Everyone in Marvel considers Wolverine a God except the high cosmics.

Originally posted by Blanket
Why does Wolverine/Daken get their claws in a 'pure' Melee fight? umm cuz claws are considered melee duh

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor's skin prevented Logan from doing significant damage before and Logan was clearly trying to beat "Sabertooth". So, no, I don't see Logan being able to do half the things mentioned here in a single strike.

You can't see him doing half those things? Seriously? All except one of them would require less than an inch of penetration.

Wolverine drew blood every time he connect even with slashing glancing blows. He has to land glancing blows in a comic because a direct hit would end the fight and **** Thor up to the point where he has to wear a metal helmet for a year like the Thing. In a forum match Wolverine isn't limited to fighting with kiddy gloves, he can stab and land direct hits because Thor's continued existence as a property doesn't matter. If Wolverine connects with Thor best case scenario for Thor is that his claws only penetrate down to the bone. Best case scenario.

Originally posted by Starscream M
umm cuz claws are considered melee duh
And a hammer isnt?....

Wait a second what the hell am I thinking.

None of this matters. Wolverine cant beat thor even without the hammer.

Originally posted by Blanket
Why does Wolverine/Daken get their claws in a 'pure' Melee fight?

Because melee is close quarters combat, not h2h combat?

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
And a hammer isnt?....
Stole my answer

Originally posted by Blanket
Well, with their claws, 'people' are arguing that Thor gets one shotted...

True. Everyone in Marvel considers Wolverine a God except the high cosmics. What really matters is that the writers consider him a god cause he makes more money than thor ever will so that's that.

Originally posted by Blanket
Well, with their claws, 'people' are arguing that Thor gets one shotted...
I don't think anyone's saying thor gets one shotted unless they were joking.

What does Logan/Daken do when Thor busts the planet with his physical blows?

Originally posted by Ize19
Fantastic Force 3, it takes place in the Old Man Logan timeline, which is why I wasn't seriously using it for evidence. Just thought it was funny that you used the fact that Thor was Gaea's son, when this scan was posted in the Wolverine Respect thread, with Gaea calling Wolverine her "closest child."

It's cool, I need to finish reading the rest of millar's run with that timeline.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Um. No.

1. Thor's reaction speed cant even be compared to wolverine's. That is like putting Colssus against a school yard bully in a arm wrestling match.

2. Namor didnt retreat to a pool

He jumped in the pool to get to wolverine faster and wolverine tried to lock him in

Outside of flight speed and hammer twirling Thor doesn't have any speed feats above Wolverine. Being able to navigate at c doesn't translate into combat speed. Storm can navigate while flying several times the speed of sound, but that doesn't translate into her reaction time or combat speed either.

He did. He retreated to the water so he could heal.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
And a hammer isnt?....

Wait a second what the hell am I thinking.

None of this matters. Wolverine cant beat thor even without the hammer.

Please, note the title. This is not, Thor vs. Wolverine and Daken in pure Melee Combat. This is Thor (without Mjolnir) vs Wolverine and Daken in pure Melee Combat. That's why he doesn't get his hammer. The thread starter took it away.

And no, Thor doesn't beat Wolverine without his hammer. Not in a melee.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
And a hammer isnt?....

Wait a second what the hell am I thinking.

None of this matters. Wolverine cant beat thor even without the hammer. I never said a hammer isn't melee...or course a hammer is melee

I just took it out of the equation to make this a more interesting fight

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
What does Logan/Daken do when Thor busts the planet with his physical blows?
Perpetually suffocate?

Stasis freeze?

Originally posted by 753
What really matters is that the writers consider him a god cause he makes more money than thor ever will so that's that. by that logic spiderman is an ultra god

Originally posted by Starscream M
I don't think anyone's saying thor gets one shotted unless they were joking. Originally posted by srankmissingnin
the potentially to one shot Thor and his healing factor will compensate for any damage he does take.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
What does Logan/Daken do when Thor busts the planet with his physical blows?

The same thing Thor is doing to do, float around uselessly in space until they are all disqualified for leaving the arena?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
What does Logan/Daken do when Thor busts the planet with his physical blows? haha you clown...did you not read that thor does not get Mjolnir or his energy attacks in this fight?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The same thing Thor is doing to do, float around uselessly in space until they are all disqualified for leaving the arena?

Only Thor has flown without using Mjolnir and is able to function in space.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Outside of flight speed and hammer twirling Thor doesn't have any speed feats above Wolverine. Being able to navigate at c doesn't translate into combat speed. Storm can navigate while flying several times the speed of sound, but that doesn't translate into her reaction time or combat speed either.

He did. He retreated to the water so he could heal.

1. You cant fly at ftl speeds without being able to react at ftl speeds. Or you run into shit.

2. He went forward. Forward is the exact opposite of retreat

Originally posted by Blanket
ok...someone says theorretically logan could oneshot thor...does not equate to someone claiming logan would one shot thor

Originally posted by Starscream M
haha you clown...did you not read that thor does not get Mjolnir or his energy attacks in this fight?

Haha you clown, did you not know Thor's physical strength enables him to bust planets with or with Mjolnir?

Originally posted by Starscream M
haha you clown...did you not read that thor does not get Mjolnir or his energy attacks in this fight? Did you not read where he said with phsycial force?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Only Thor has flown without using Mjolnir and is able to function in space.

Once again: melee combat, that stipulation means no flight.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Once again: melee combat, that stipulation means no flight.
No it doesnt. Not remotely.

No flight = no flight

Melee = no projectiles

Originally posted by Starscream M
ok...someone says theorretically logan could oneshot thor...does not equate to someone claiming logan would one shot thor It's completely different.

Just because you hate Thor more than Wolverine doesn't mean you have to forego all sense... nevermind, you do that anyway.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Once again: melee combat, that stipulation means no flight.

So Thor can't BFR either of these people with a single blow, much less cause vast physical damage to their battlefield?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Haha you clown, did you not know Thor's physical strength enables him to bust planets with or with Mjolnir? thor CANNOT bust a planet with his mere fists. Hulk can't....so how could a weaker being do so?

come on, use some logic.

Thor gets kitty scratched to death... I guess.

Originally posted by Starscream M
thor CANNOT bust a planet with his mere fists. Hulk can't....so how could a weaker being do so?

come on, use some logic.
Except he has done it hasnt he?

Originally posted by Starscream M
thor CANNOT bust a planet with his mere fists. Hulk can't....so how could a weaker being do so?

come on, use some logic.

Hulk can't bust planets?

And the same Thor who deadlocked Savage Hulk for about an hour of pure physical strength can't do the same?

Take your own advice. Or don't. Whichever.

Originally posted by Blanket
It's completely different.

Just because you hate Thor more than Wolverine doesn't mean you have to forego all sense... nevermind, you do that anyway. it actually is.

I could theoretically beat kobe bryant in basketball...if someone I chuck up shots and by the grace of god they fall in....doesn't mean I would beat him.

Logan could oneshot thor if thor stood there like a statue and just allowed logan to unleash an attack...but obviously that wouldn't happen.

I think you misconstrued what srank said.

daken is pretty much a non-factor in this fight, there's no way he can harm thor.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Hulk can't bust planets?

And the same Thor who deadlocked Savage Hulk for about an hour of pure physical strength can't do the same?

Take your own advice. Or don't. Whichever. no hulk can't. at least not a real earth sized planet.

I hate stupid comics with their planet feats when in reality those planets were often smaller than mountains.

I don't blame you, I blame the crappy writers who've completely watered down the planet busting feat.

Originally posted by Trackz
daken is pretty much a non-factor in this fight, there's no way he can harm thor. um muramasa...nuff said.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
1. You cant fly at ftl speeds without being able to react at ftl speeds. Or you run into shit.

2. He went forward. Forward is the exact opposite of retreat

It's a comic. Iron-man has kept pace with Thor and Sentry and has flown to the sun and Jupiter in seconds - but Tony doesn't have FTL reflexes either. Flight speed != combat speed.

Retreat isn't a directional concept, it's a tactical with drawl, you can pick any direction you'd like as long as you move away from the enemy...

Originally posted by Starscream M
um muramasa...nuff said.
um anchored to bone that is easily snapped. NO.

Originally posted by Starscream M
um muramasa...nuff said.

From what 've heard, he doesn't have them anymore.

Originally posted by Starscream M
um muramasa...nuff said.

Wolverine cut them out and buried them.

Originally posted by Blanket
Thor gets kitty scratched to death... I guess. well, bfr is allowed in this fight. so assuming thor is skilled and fast enough, that would be a viable option.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It's a comic. Iron-man has kept pace with Thor and Sentry and has flown to the sun and Jupiter in seconds - but Tony doesn't have FTL reflexes either. Flight speed != combat speed.

Retreat isn't a directional concept, it's a tactical with drawl, you can pick any direction you'd like as long as you move away from the enemy...

Tony has targeting software....


And if your moving towards your enemy it isnt a retreat. You JUST said so yourself.

Originally posted by Starscream M
it actually is.

I could theoretically beat kobe bryant in basketball...if someone I chuck up shots and by the grace of god they fall in....doesn't mean I would beat him.

Logan could oneshot thor if thor stood there like a statue and just allowed logan to unleash an attack...but obviously that wouldn't happen.

I think you misconstrued what srank said. He brought it up as a fact though. Meaning it was a strong possibility here.

Ya, you could never beat Kobe. Stupid example.

Because that's what Srank meant when he brought it up.

I think you did actually.

All Thor has to do is hit either of them once with his Class 100+ fists, which he will do, and the match is pretty much over. They may not be KOed, but they'll be BFRed and won't be able to return to the battlefield in time. Either that or bury them under the ground.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Tony has targeting software....


And if your moving towards your enemy it isnt a retreat. You JUST said so yourself.

Not FLT targeting software...

He didn't move towards his enemy, he moved passed his enemy into a pool.

Originally posted by Starscream M
by that logic spiderman is an ultra god That would be the goddamn Batman, SM doesn't make all that money.

Originally posted by Starscream M
um muramasa...nuff said. no longer has them, he gets one-shotted.

Originally posted by Blanket
He brought it up as a fact though. Meaning it was a strong possibility here.

Ya, you could never beat Kobe. Stupid example.

Because that's what Srank meant when he brought it up.

I think you did actually. not to belabor the point, but if a computer would run simulations of me playing kobe a billion times, I'm sure there would be a few instances where he either twists his ankle or gets a really bad cramp....ok he would still beat me. forget that example.

anyways, I think srank means logan has the potential ability to mortally wound thor and hence you shouldn't dismiss this as just a herald vs any street leveler.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Not FLT targeting software...

He didn't move towards his enemy, he moved past his enemy into a pool.

I will re-read the fight

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Tony has targeting software....


And if your moving towards your enemy it isnt a retreat. You JUST said so yourself. He did seek the water to heal an power up though. Things weren't looking too good for him before he reached it.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
All Thor has to do is hit either of them once with his Class 100+ fists, which he will do, and the match is pretty much over. They may not be KOed, but they'll be BFRed and won't be able to return to the battlefield in time. Either that or bury them under the ground. thats not nec true.

I think thor will have a hard time landing a clean hit since both of them are expert fighters and have claws.

I said Wolverine has the potential to one shot Thor... not that he would or that it is even likely to occur.

So you brought up a non point then?

Originally posted by Starscream M
not to belabor the point, but if a computer would run simulations of me playing kobe a billion times, I'm sure there would be a few instances where he either twists his ankle or gets a really bad cramp....ok he would still beat me. forget that example.

anyways, I think srank means logan has the potential ability to mortally wound thor and hence you shouldn't dismiss this as just a herald vs any street leveler. No they wouldn't. You would die, literally.

In one shot.
I never dismissed it at that (which has nothing to do with anything), and Srank wasn't trying to make this battle close either, he was trying to make it a blowout in Wolverine's favor, with or without Fagen.

Originally posted by Starscream M
thats not nec true.

I think thor will have a hard time landing a clean hit since both of them are expert fighters and have claws.

Thor has thousands of years of fighting experience on both of them....

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Thor has thousands of years of fighting experience on both of them....

Which is of paramount importance because as we all know Vandal Savage is considered the best fighter ever in DC.

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Oh wait...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Which is of paramount importance because as we all know Vandal Savage is considered the best fighter ever in DC.

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Oh wait...
Except for the fact he is a strategist not a fighter.. and one of the best strategists in the dc universe.

Originally posted by Starscream M
thats not nec true.

I think thor will have a hard time landing a clean hit since both of them are expert fighters and have claws.

Based on Thor's reaction and speed feats, he's going to land a strike on them and more than once. The guy has reacted to when the Enchanters haxxed Mjolnir, which usually flies at least at the speed of sound, and has moved out of the way at the last possible moment, to say nothing of avoiding blows/strikes in melee combat while landing his own.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Which is of paramount importance because as we all know Vandal Savage is considered the best fighter ever in DC.

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Oh wait...

Relevancy much?

Originally posted by Blanket
Srank wasn't trying to make this battle close either, he was trying to make it a blowout in Wolverine's favor, with or without Fagen.

uh

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I said Wolverine has the potential to one shot Thor... not that he would or that it is even likely to occur.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Based on Thor's reaction and speed feats, he's going to land a strike on them and more than once. The guy has reacted to when the Enchanters haxxed Mjolnir, which usually flies at least at the speed of sound, and has moved out of the way at the last possible moment, to say nothing of avoiding blows/strikes in melee combat while landing his own. well, I know he can land hits...but I don't see him landing hits that would bfr logan or daken

hulk bfrs logan sometimes because hulk doesn't give a shit about getting cut up so he can get close enough and even take a few stabs straight in the face...thor doesn't have that luxury

just my opinion

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Except for the fact he is a strategist not a fighter.. and one of the best strategists in the dc universe.

He's a fighter too, just not the king of the heap.

Thor's experience means next to jack. He shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as Wolverine in combat skill, the difference between the two in that area is almost as vast as their difference in strength.

Originally posted by Starscream M
uh Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine doesn't even need Daken. He'll take the high majority on his own. Wolverine is faster, more skilled, has a reach advantage, the potentially to one shot Thor and his healing factor will compensate for any damage he does take.

So, if Logan doesn't need Daken, and if Daken is worthless, what makes this any different from this: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=527742&highlight=Thor+versus+WOlverine+forumid%3A77

But seriously, on panel Wolverine is only able to cause cat scratches on Thor, from the fight everyone seems to love.

Why would this fight be any different? I mean, acting as if blows would seriously affect Thor seems to be far stretched. Sure he could wear him down, but honestly?

Originally posted by Blanket
But seriously, on panel Wolverine is only able to cause cat scratches on Thor, from the fight everyone seems to love.

Why would this fight be any different? onpanel...what has thor done to logan?

I mean if we go by onpanel, than logan can't beat spiderman or captain america either

thor can't beat hulk

etc

all of which kmc dismiss

Originally posted by Starscream M

thor can't beat hulk



Thor has beat Hulk on panel...

Originally posted by Starscream M
onpanel...what has thor done to logan?

I mean if we go by onpanel, than logan can't beat spiderman or captain america either

thor can't beat hulk

etc

all of which kmc dismiss Grabbed him.
But I hope you realize there's a difference between portrayals of battles, and outright damage scope.

So we should attribute Wolverine's claws to do more damage then... based on... nothing?

You also missed this:
Originally posted by Blanket
from the fight everyone seems to love.


And you're notes are pretty skewed as well.

Originally posted by Starscream M
hulk bfrs logan sometimes because hulk doesn't give a shit about getting cut up so he can get close enough and even take a few stabs straight in the face...thor doesn't have that luxury


Pretty much.

Thor isn't an idiot, he isn't going to wade into melee combat against someone who could potentially one shot him to get turned into a pin cushion. He isn't the Hulk he can't afford to let himself get hit so he can land blow of his own, he isn't going to get into a shot for shot slugfest with Wolverine.

Have none of you people seen a fight before? People don't even want to get hit by guys wearing padding gloves. Most fights are two people circling each other throwing jabs to try and make an opening in their opponents guard... now image one of those guys had a katar on each hand was actively trying to kill the other one. For the life of me I can't even imagine how people who think Thor would win picture this fighting playing out in their head... seriously is Wolverine sleeping or something?

Thor is going to be on the defensive the entire time. His primarily concern will be avoiding Wolverine's claws, koing Wolverine will be a distant secondary concern. Wolverine on the other hand could give a f@ck about getting hit. He is going to be on the offensive and he is a faster, smaller target, with a reach advantage, weaponry and a sizable skill advantage. It's a no brainer.

Originally posted by Blanket
Grabbed him.
But I hope you realize there's a difference between portrayals of battles, and outright damage scope.

So we should attribute Wolverine's claws to do more damage then... based on... nothing?

You also missed this:


And you're notes are pretty skewed as well. my point is in a fight, logan would only make peripheral cuts against thor or spiderman or any other important hero who lacks a powerful hf

marvel would only allow logan to cut up hulk because he can heal quickly from it

Originally posted by Starscream M
my point is in a fight, logan would only make peripheral cuts against thor or spiderman or any other important hero who lacks a powerful hf

marvel would only allow logan to cut up hulk because he can heal quickly from it Bruce, did you know you can use your brain once in a while?
Seriously, Spider-Man? Logan has impaled Spider-Man. He hasn't impaled Thor.

I hope you realize this logic works in reverse. IE, disregard the Hulk fight because of healing factor (which gives them free roam), but use the Thor fight.

Or we could just use our brains, and look at what happened, and conclude from there... on-panel evidence of what happened and all.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
For the life of me I can't even imagine how people who think Thor would win picture this fighting playing out in their head... seriously is Wolverine sleeping or something?

Hitting him?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Pretty much.

Thor isn't an idiot, he isn't going to wade into melee combat against someone who could potentially one shot him to get turned into a pin cushion. He isn't the Hulk he can't afford to let himself get hit so he can land blow of his own, he isn't going to get into a shot for shot slugfest with Wolverine.

Have none of you people seen a fight before? People don't even want to get hit by guys wearing padding gloves. Most fights are two people circling each other throwing jabs to try and make an opening in their opponents guard... now image one of those guys had a katar on each hand was actively trying to kill the other one. For the life of me I can't even imagine how people who think Thor would win picture this fighting playing out in their head... seriously is Wolverine sleeping or something?

Thor is going to be on the defensive the entire time. His primarily concern will be avoiding Wolverine's claws, koing Wolverine will be a distant secondary concern. Wolverine on the other hand could give a f@ck about getting hit. He is going to be on the offensive and he is a faster, smaller target, with a reach advantage, weaponry and a sizable skill advantage. It's a no brainer.

Know imagine that katar was made out of plastic...

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Know imagine that katar was made out of plastic...

Don't kid your self. Wolverine's has straight on, 12 inches of penetration (sounds dirty), stabbed Thing with minimal effort. He's carved up Wreaker, Namor, WWH and Count Nefaria. Even his glancing blows effected Thor. If Wolverine connects with the Odin Son, he is going to have a bad day.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Don't kid your self. Wolverine's has straight on, 12 inches of penetration (sounds dirty), stabbed Thing with minimal effort. He's carved up Wreaker, Namor, WWH and Count Nefaria. Even his glancing blows effected Thor. If Wolverine connects with the Odin Son, he is going to have a bad day.
He tried to remove part of thors face but barely drew blood

The only time wolverine's claws are even marginally effective against the big boys are when he stabs

and even then it is pretty meh...

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
He tried to remove part of thors face but barely drew blood

The only time wolverine's claws are even marginally effective against the big boys are when he stabs

and even then it is pretty meh...

He only landed a glancing blow, what did you expect... a decapitation? Wolverine is limited by the medium and the fact that Thor needed to stay alive and come out of it without an major disfigurement. In a forum match Wolverine carves up Thor like a Christmas goose.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He only landed a glancing blow, what did you expect... a decapitation? Wolverine is limited by the medium and the fact that Thor needed to stay alive and come out of it without an major disfigurement. In a forum match Wolverine carves up Thor like a Christmas goose.
Except not?

Thor is limited by the fact if he kills wolverine he is the guy that killed wolverine

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He only landed a glancing blow, what did you expect... a decapitation? Wolverine is limited by the medium and the fact that Thor needed to stay alive and come out of it without an major disfigurement. In a forum match Wolverine carves up Thor like a Christmas goose.

So, because Logan didn't cause much damage beyond the superficial kind when he connected in this very same comic you're citing from, he can likewise do much more damage in a forum setting? That doesn't make any sense at all. When directly paired against Thor, his blows were only doing damage because it was stacking on top of his other attacks. Thor even states the damage dealt isn't serious at first because of his skin, but that will change in time. I don't understand how you can leave that much out and claim Logan's damage output will be far greater than what he showed on panel unless you really really want him to win here, which is obvious you do.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So, because Logan didn't cause much damage beyond the superficial kind when he connected in this very same comic you're citing from, he can likewise do much more damage in a forum setting? That doesn't make any sense at all. When directly paired against Thor, his blows were only doing damage because it was stacking on top of his other attacks. Thor even states the damage dealt isn't serious at first because of his skin, but that will change in time. I don't understand how you can leave that much out and claim Logan's damage output will be far greater than what he showed on panel unless you really really want him to win here, which is obvious you do.

Wolverine wasn't stacking damange, aside from the initial face scratch, he landed one strike across Thor's shoulder and one across the left side of his stomach. The one across Thor's stomaching having the most effect. Thor's skin helped him with some glancing blows, awesome, but Wolverine never landed a direct hit on Thor in the entirety of that fight. I don't see how Thor being injured by glancing blows is suddenly indication that he can now shrug of a direct hit. We've seen what a direct shot from Wolverine's claw's can do to people with Thor level durability and even greater durability. Wolverine will carve up Thor just like he's done Hulk. Just like he's done Thing. Just like he's done Wreaker. Just like he's done Count Nefarai.

Now that I think about it Bone claw Daken did run Pluto through with his claws, maybe he could get at least some partial penetration on Thor even without the Muramasa claws.

Originally posted by Starscream M
by that logic spiderman is an ultra god





Originally posted by Trackz
daken is pretty much a non-factor in this fight, there's no way he can harm thor.

Honestly? I wouldn't be surprised if his bone claws cut Thor. I wouldn't be surprised at all.

Originally posted by Starscream M
um muramasa...nuff said.

Oh, so he does have the muramasa claws here? Duo for the stomp then.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine cut them out and buried them.

So that's how he lost them... http://images.killermovies.com/forums/icons/v2/icon5.gif

Thanks for the spoiler uhuh

Originally posted by Trackz
no longer has them, he gets one-shotted.

Riiiiiight... you realize Bor failed to do that?

Originally posted by Blanket
He hasn't impaled Thor.

Actually it looked like he did, at least to me.