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what physical strength level RKT has ?

Galactus. Though RKT is powerful, Galactus is considered Eternity's equal.

Galactus

Galactus would have to be EXTREMELY weak and hungry for RKT to even have a slim chance. At normal power he's equal or above the Celestials who multiple Sky Fathers could do nothing against. At full power, fuggedaboutit....he blinks and RKT dies.

Big G wins in all circumstances, but not by simply blinking him out of existance. In Thanos' miniseries, a weakened Galactus hit him with a blast while Thanos had his shields up and had to really work to penetrate it. He even made a remark admitting it. RKT certainly has shields of a mystical orgin superior to The Mad Titan's. And we know he has more offensively.

Weak Galactus would flee. The only reason RKT wouldn't be able to beat him is because he couldn't find him.

Full power Galactus likely wins.

RKT performs a runic lullaby & puts galactus to sleep

Originally posted by cajun2de
RKT performs a runic lullaby & puts galactus to sleep

That doesn't work on a God-like being, I'm sure.

Originally posted by Crease
Big G wins in all circumstances, but not by simply blinking him out of existance. In Thanos' miniseries, a weakened Galactus hit him with a blast while Thanos had his shields up and had to really work to penetrate it. He even made a remark admitting it. RKT certainly has shields of a mystical orgin superior to The Mad Titan's. And we know he has more offensively.


You said it yourself a weakened Galactus need a double shot to penetrate Thanos field.

A normal powered Galactus is easily on par with The Celestials and all of Earth's Skyfathers couldn't even annoy them.

As for a full powered Big G...he's never been seen in comics but if what the Watcher said about him is true, that he could destroy The UNIVERSE, then blinking a lowly Skyfather like RKT out of existance isn't out of the realm of possibility.

That's the big thing though. He's never had to flex his muscles when he's at full power.

Galactus is in another league. RKT has no chance.

Big G

spite. Galactus blinks him out of existence.

Galactus wins

Galactus

Galactus

Galactus is kind of funny when it comes to fights. Fights he should easily win he tends to lose just to prove that the new up and coming evil in the universe is really a big threat. I mean look at chaos war FFS. that was a terrible showing for Galactus considering what level he should be at but it's about consistent with how hes done for the last decade or so. Also I'd actually put RKT above Odin but it doesn't change the fact that Odin failed with destroyer armor against celestials where Galactus has murder stomped several. ABC logic says that RKT should lose considering that but there have been several scenarios of ABC logic where Galactus should have won but doesn't and they are characters that RKT could clearly defeat.


My gut says the big purple helmet head should win but in comic I think that if they were to fight RKT would wave a hand and Galactus would find himself utterly trashed with the wings on his helmet bent into a bow.

RKT>Odin by a fair amount. I mean yeah full power Galactus beats him soundly but its not like RKT is a joke to him.

Originally posted by Uriel005
Odin but it doesn't change the fact that Odin failed with destroyer armor against celestials where Galactus has murder stomped several.
When did this happen?

That one time.

And where did the bad man touch you that one time?

That bad man was you, and it was my weiner with the inside of your mouth.

Originally posted by Mindset
That bad man was you, and it was my weiner with the inside of your mouth. http://i55.tinypic.com/i2rslc.jpg

gay

Originally posted by Damborgson
http://i55.tinypic.com/i2rslc.jpg Originally posted by long pig
gay http://i53.tinypic.com/2jeb76q.gif

I DO tend to molest with my mouth.

Originally posted by kgkg
When did this happen?

Happened in Earth X (which is NOT canon to regular celestials in any way; the celestials of that universe are totally different from the 616 ones).

Originally posted by long pig
And where did the bad man touch you that one time? Shit, hold on, let me rewind time.

http://i52.tinypic.com/2czu1oi.gif

You mean rewinde video....

I mean rewind your life.

Galactus for the win imo.

But then again lets see what happens in The Mighty Thor #4.

Originally posted by Mindset
http://i53.tinypic.com/2jeb76q.gif
lol!

Sorry but I have to dog the shit out of this topic. How well does Galactus deal with localized time stops? Are there any events that has him resist that form of attack? Better yet has he ever on panel stopped time? I think the Rune King would beat Galactus at his average power levels, and I mean slap him around like Chaos Wars Zeus did, only worse.

To really drill this home, is to realize that Galactus is only as powerful as his last meal, and unlike the Hulk's power set, he does not grow in power, but instead he grows weaker over time. The longer this match lasts, the more it favors the Rune King. There will be no one shotting RK Thor by the likes of an average powered Galactus.

RKT is out of his league here. He won't knock himself out running into Galactus like Odin did but he loses still the same.

Originally posted by Dampyre
RKT is out of his league here. He won't knock himself out running into Galactus like Odin did but he loses still the same.

Based on what? Please give me more of a reason other than assumed tier systems or totem pole pecking theory. Rune King Thor would wear his a$$ out based on the way Chaos Wars Zeus decked an average level unprepared Galactus that ate his usual fill. Galactus has never planet hopped or gorged except for once during the Secret Wars, because there simply aren't that many planets that are suitable for him to devour at once. I agree that he has the potential to be more powerful that Rune King Thor; but at average, Rune King Thor was more powerful based as well on his battle with Odin, whom the Rune King dwarfs in power.

Rune King Thor wins every time at average Galactus showings.

Originally posted by Stoic
Sorry but I have to dog the shit out of this topic. How well does Galactus deal with localized time stops? Are there any events that has him resist that form of attack? Better yet has he ever on panel stopped time?
Galactus put Sphinx in a never-ending timeloop after their battle , and this was a hungry Galactus . You're talking as if that kind of an option is only available to Rune King Thor , when Galactus is easily capable of repeating a similar feat .

Barring solid PIS and/or retard writing , a cosmic being with Galactus' level of perception and awareness should never fall victim to such a strategy . As was shown in the Spider-Man Secret Wars mini , his mere presence can cause reality to bend and warp , and this too was achieved at hungry levels .

Oh btw , since we are going on average power-levels , Galactus in one of his more recent appearances almost ended up destroying the multiverse in his battle with 2 other equally powerful beings . Based on his implied level of power , the best that RKT can hope for here is a stalemate against a non-jobbing , PIS/CIS/WIS bereft Galactus . Otherwise he's going down .

Zeus was amped by the equivalent of thousands of gods plus an Eternity-level Abstract at that point . People may wanna dismiss that as a "small amp" based on the writer's comments regarding the matter , even though logic dictates that that was not the case .

That said , Galactus has stalemated a high-level Elder God in the latter's own realm at average levels . Galactus could definitely take this battle imo , without much trouble .

As I like RKT, he is not beating Galactus period, Thor will do better than Odin but he will still lose.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Zeus was amped by the equivalent of thousands of gods plus an Eternity-level Abstract at that point . People may wanna dismiss that as a "small amp" based on the writer's comments regarding the matter , even though logic dictates that that was not the case .



This.

And this "average showing" stuff, RKT has had a showing of how many? 1?2? And the likelihood of him ever showing up again is slim and none.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Galactus put Sphinx in a never-ending timeloop after their battle , and this was a hungry Galactus . You're talking as if that kind of an option is only available to Rune King Thor , when Galactus is easily capable of repeating a similar feat .

Barring solid PIS and/or retard writing , a cosmic being with Galactus' level of perception and awareness should never fall victim to such a strategy . As was shown in the Spider-Man Secret Wars mini , his mere presence can cause reality to bend and warp , and this too was achieved at hungry levels .

Oh btw , since we are going on average power-levels , Galactus in one of his more recent appearances almost ended up destroying the multiverse in his battle with 2 other equally powerful beings . Based on his implied level of power , the best that RKT can hope for here is a stalemate against a non-jobbing , PIS/CIS/WIS bereft Galactus . Otherwise he's going down .

Professor Stuart from Excalibur tried to perform a time attack on Galactus as well, it had absolutely zero affect.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Durability/Excalibur_025_-_17.jpg

Originally posted by Utrigita
Professor Stuart from Excalibur tried to perform a time attack on Galactus as well, it had absolutely zero affect.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Durability/Excalibur_025_-_17.jpg
RKT > Prof. Stuart and his tech. Prof. Stuart is no Reed/Doom/Cho/Pym/Banner.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Professor Stuart from Excalibur tried to perform a time attack on Galactus as well, it had absolutely zero affect.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Durability/Excalibur_025_-_17.jpg

Originally posted by zopzop
RKT > Prof. Stuart and his tech. Prof. Stuart is no Reed/Doom/Cho/Pym/Banner.

I don't recall saying he was, what I did was to add a incident where a time based attack, which by Captain Britain (a member of the omniversal guardians or whatever they are called) was described as a very dangerous force, the same guy that have seen the Celestial Nullifier, had zero effect on Galactus. So while Stuart's tech might not be on the level of RKT, which I never claimed to begin with, it's certainly not a toy, and just adds another incident which really point out that using time based attacks on Galactus isn't likely to have any effect at all, hell as mentioned by GodKiller, even Enchantress described Galactus as a being with no Boundries even saying that "time doesn't play your rules not on Galactus watch".

Originally posted by Utrigita
even Enchantress described Galactus as a being with no Boundries even saying that "time doesn't play your rules not on Galactus watch".
Yeah that flowery language is nice, but we've seen Galactus bleed, be poisoned, starve (during the Annihilation event when he was deprived of food, he was all wrinkly and parched), and die.

All Prof. Stuart did with his "attack" was attempt to BFR Galactus in the timestream. Stoic was suggesting something completely different like freezing time.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah that flowery language is nice, but we've seen Galactus bleed, be poisoned, starve (during the Annihilation event when he was deprived of food, he was all wrinkly and parched), and die.

Except that flowery language was supported by what was happening on-panel in that instance .

big g

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Except that flowery language was supported by what was happening on-panel in that instance .
Except that contradicts YEARS of him being shown to be nothing more than a powerful humanoid being despite his cosmic/abstract claim.

How do you explain him bleeding? How do you explain him starving and while starving having his skin all parched and wrinkly (exactly like a dying humanoid)? It was shown that he also has a bone structure (skull, etc...). He's been food poisoned. He almost died of an upset stomach when he ate the Elders of the Universe and they refused to digest because Death wouldn't claim them. He's been shown on panel DROOLING and sweating. How do you explain the fact that when Doom sucked the Power Cosmic from him, a humanoid Galan was seen crawling out of Galactus' armor?

Originally posted by zopzop
Except that contradicts YEARS of him being shown to be nothing more than a powerful humanoid being despite his cosmic/abstract claim.

How do you explain him bleeding? How do you explain him starving and while starving having his skin all parched and wrinkly (exactly like a dying humanoid)? It was shown that he also has a bone structure (skull, etc...). He's been food poisoned. He almost died of an upset stomach when he ate the Elders of the Universe and they refused to digest because Death wouldn't claim them. He's been shown on panel DROOLING and sweating. How do you explain the fact that when Doom sucked the Power Cosmic from him, a humanoid Galan was seen crawling out of Galactus' armor?

This is exactly what I am speaking of as his current average, which has been given plenty of opportunity to not be the norm in terms of average showings. Let's face it, Galactus has fallen prey to overexposure just as many before him has.

His wounds at the hands of Thanos, or the Fallen One, near defeat via being beaten to death by Tyrant, written power appraisal of Chaos Wars Zeus one hit pimp slap, serious depletion of power reserves due to planetary explosion, sitting on his mighty throne instead of battling Asteroth, Odin's ability to hang tough, and only to lose due to getting up last, who also happened to awake at the same time leads me to believe that Galactus' new norm is below what it used to be in the past.

How many times should his measure be taken before he is seen in this current light that has been all but etched in stone?

@Godkiller, again I am not low balling or looking to spread PIS,CIS, or a splash of WIS (whatever that is), but I am instead citing too many events to be considered a low ball but more an average, or norm. Again I believe that the Rune King would defeat Galactus at average, although I admit that Galactus has the potential (rare potential) of being more powerful than the Rune King. Some of the crap that has been written about Galactus being so powerful seems to have been hyperbole in comparison to most of his showings.

Average Galactus rapes all of Asgard included RKT.

Originally posted by Mindset
Average Galactus rapes all of Asgard included RKT.

Based on? Give me something tangible to believe in, which negates all of the showings that I brought up.

yeah i reckon RKT could probably defeat a hungry galactus but medium to full fed probably not...

Originally posted by Stoic
Based on? Give me something tangible to believe in, which negates all of the showings that I brought up. Blowing up galaxies while starving.

Beating Odin.

Beating RKT in this thread.

Originally posted by ozz81
yeah i reckon RKT could probably defeat a hungry galactus but medium to full fed probably not...


That doesn't make much sense when you consider that the Avengers, FF, and Dr. Strange defeated a starving Galactus. While Tyrant nearly choked the life out of a well fed Galactus, and Odin stood up to a well fed Galactus as well, only to rise seconds later than Galactus.

Rune King Thor is another story. He would defeat an average Galactus, not a weakened, and starving one. Based on the new norm.

Originally posted by Mindset
Blowing up galaxies while starving.

Beating Odin.

Beating RKT in this thread.

Blowing up galaxies while starving seems to be PIS when considered what has defeated him in that state in the past. One showing vs many. What should I choose? Anyways I made my point with valid reasons to support my stance.

Originally posted by Mindset
Blowing up galaxies A GALAXY while starving.

Beating Odin.

Beating RKT in this thread.
It was a single galaxy and he wasn't starving, he absorbed the PC in those cylinders that were swirling around him, then he unleashed that "Herald my Rage" blast then he was spent and starving.

Originally posted by Stoic
This is exactly what I am speaking of as his current average, which has been given plenty of opportunity to not be the norm in terms of average showings. Let's face it, Galactus has fallen prey to overexposure just as many before him has.

His wounds at the hands of Thanos, or the Fallen One, near defeat via being beaten to death by Tyrant, written power appraisal of Chaos Wars Zeus one hit pimp slap, serious depletion of power reserves due to planetary explosion, sitting on his mighty throne instead of battling Asteroth, Odin's ability to hang tough, and only to lose due to getting up last, who also happened to awake at the same time leads me to believe that Galactus' new norm is below what it used to be in the past.



A few major corrections:

1. Thanos did not harm Galactus at all by his own admission. I'm not sure you want to bring up Thanos anyway, considering how he was able to wade through Odin's EP like water and battle him for an extended period of time.

2. Tyrant was totally ineffective against Galactus in their second meeting until he used G's machines to suck all the power out of him. Also, Galactus straight up defeated a much moire powerful version of Tyrant a long time ago.

3. The Fallen one attacked Galactus while he was severly weakened and in a healing chamber and was still swatted away in the end. All he did was a little damage to Galactus's gauntlet.

4. Odin lost to Galactus by running into him and being so depleted by it and his mental attack that he could not continue the fight. He had to run into the Destroyer Armor by his own admission.

5. Zeus had the Chaos King and thousands of gods inside him. His power was seriosuly boosed in that story. Bringin up that writer's quote can open up a can of worms.

Your post is so biased that it's a joke, really. You should not let your like or dislike of a character influence you so much.

Originally posted by Stoic
Blowing up galaxies while starving seems to be PIS when considered what has defeated him in that state in the past. One showing vs many. What should I choose? Anyways I made my point with valid reasons to support my stance.
He wasn't starving. He had absorbed/was absorbing the PC in the canisters that were swirling around him, THEN he unleashed that "Herald my rage" blast, THEN he was starving.

Funny thing is, Annihilus and Nova survived that galaxy busting attack.

Originally posted by zopzop
It was a single galaxy and he wasn't starving, he absorbed the PC in those cylinders that were swirling around him, then he unleashed that "Herald my Rage" blast then he was spent and starving.

How do you know Galactus was 'spent' and starving'? After the blast he simply walked away and went about his business.

Originally posted by Dampyre
2. Tyrant was totally ineffective against Galactus in their second meeting until he used G's machines to suck all the power out of him. Also, Galactus straight up defeated a much moire powerful version of Tyrant a long time ago.
Yeah and Galactus was likewise ineffective against Tyrant till Galactus CHEATED first and used his machines. Sucks for Galactus that Tyrant had more control over them thanks to his Technopathy and fxxked Galactus over badly.

Originally posted by zopzop
It was a single galaxy and he wasn't starving, he absorbed the PC in those cylinders that were swirling around him, then he unleashed that "Herald my Rage" blast then he was spent and starving. Sorry, Galaxy.

And no, he was starving.

Deal with it.

zopzop is just mad that Galactus > Celestials and Odin.

Originally posted by Mindset
Sorry, Galaxy.

And no, he was starving.

Deal with it.
How was he starving if he was absorbing the PC in the canisters that were floating around him? He was starving for sure after he unleashed that blast (that Nova and Annihilus survived).

Originally posted by zopzop
How was he starving if he was absorbing the PC in the canisters that were floating around him? He was starving for sure after he unleashed that blast (that Nova and Annihilus survived). Because those canisters weren't enough to get him from his starved state to satiated.

Great feat for them.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah and Galactus was likewise ineffective against Tyrant till Galactus CHEATED first and used his machines. Sucks for Galactus that Tyrant had more control over them thanks to his Technopathy and fxxked Galactus over badly.

Actually, Galactus' first blast caused Tyrant to cry out in pain while Tyrant's first attack barely affected Galactus at all. We then later leaned that this new version of Tyrant is further empowered by Galactus' own energy.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah that flowery language is nice, but we've seen Galactus bleed, be poisoned, starve (during the Annihilation event when he was deprived of food, he was all wrinkly and parched), and die.

All Prof. Stuart did with his "attack" was attempt to BFR Galactus in the timestream. Stoic was suggesting something completely different like freezing time.

True, but atleast as many incidents have shown Galactus as being something more.

So you don't call a BFR that would throw Galactus violently through the timestream for a attack? And why exactly should a freeze time line of approach work, when the line of approach of utiilzing time as a weapon against Galactus so far have failed? What Abstract level entity exactly have RKT utilized a time freeze on with success, I'll admit it's been some time since I read the comic.

They really need to bring Tyrant back.

Originally posted by Utrigita
True, but atleast as many incidents have shown Galactus as being something more.

So you don't call a BFR that would throw Galactus violently through the timestream for a attack? And why exactly should a freeze time line of approach work, when the line of approach of utiilzing time as a weapon against Galactus so far have failed? What Abstract level entity exactly have RKT utilized a time freeze on with success, I'll admit it's been some time since I read the comic.
I'm not saying that a time stop would 100% work, I'm just pointing out that Stoic was right in saying BFRing someone into the timestream isn't the same as using a time stop attack against them, that's all.

And Galactus is not an abstract. He's a high end cosmic. There are FAR, FAR too many instances of him displaying humanoid characteristics for him to be called an abstract. Compare him to the likes of TRUE abstracts : Anomaly, Death, Eternity, Infinity, etc.. and you'll see what I mean. Hell, Maelstrom even made it clear during the Cosmos in Collision arc, Galactus isn't an abstract.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah and Galactus was likewise ineffective against Tyrant till Galactus CHEATED first and used his machines. Sucks for Galactus that Tyrant had more control over them thanks to his Technopathy and fxxked Galactus over badly.

So a energy blast that makes a Character cry out in pain now have no effect... that is a new one.

Originally posted by Dampyre
Actually, Galactus' first blast caused Tyrant to cry out in pain while Tyrant's first attack barely affected Galactus at all. We then later leaned that this new version of Tyrant is further empowered by Galactus' own energy.
You seem to also be forgetting that prior to their showdown Galactus consumed a world so rich in biosphereic energy that he said he hasn't felt that powerful in ages. Yet Tyrant withstood AND was able to absorb his energy attacks. Tyrant also withstood his physical attacks (as stated on panel that he can regen whatever Galactus destroys physically but Galactus didn't have that luxury). It was after both his energy and physical attacks failed to stop Tyrant that Galactus resulted in cheating and using his tech (this is also why Galactus tells Morg he wants to fight Tyrant on Galactus' own terms in his own base). That was his biggest mistake and what almost got him killed.
Originally posted by MF DELPH
They really need to bring Tyrant back.
Dude, Amen!
People don't remember but Galactus was supposed to be dead too, when the UN exploded and destroyed his worldship. But it was later retconned that Galactus tped away at the last instant and was recuperating in another dimension. That's what kind of number Tyrant pulled on Big G.

Originally posted by zopzop
I'm not saying that a time stop would 100% work, I'm just pointing out that Stoic was right in saying BFRing someone into the timestream isn't the same as using a time stop attack against them, that's all.

And Galactus is not an abstract. He's a high end cosmic. There are FAR, FAR too many instances of him displaying humanoid characteristics for him to be called an abstract. Compare him to the likes of TRUE abstracts : Anomaly, Death, Eternity, Infinity, etc.. and you'll see what I mean. Hell, Maelstrom even made it clear during the Cosmos in Collision arc, Galactus isn't an abstract.

Yet it's the same principle, whether you use time to age a character or bounce the character into a time stream, time itself is being used in a offensive manner, just like the timeloop against Sphinx demonstrated. And again when exactly did RKT freeze anyone in time, I seriously don't recall. But again schematics, I just think, based on Galactus relation with time utilized in a offensive manner should be enough to safely say that such a attack would have no effect.

And again there is just as many incidents leading to another conclusions, writers have different takes on Galactus role but if you want to call him a high end cosmics that's fine by me, I'll however continue to call him a Abstract in line with what Jack Kirby originally saw Galactus as.

Originally posted by Utrigita
So a energy blast that makes a Character cry out in pain now have no effect... that is a new one.
You realize that he absorbed that he tanked and absorbed that blast right? You also must remember this scene right?
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/579/silversurferv3106p08.th.jpg

Originally posted by Dampyre
A few major corrections:

1. Thanos did not harm Galactus at all by his own admission. I'm not sure you want to bring up Thanos anyway, considering how he was able to wade through Odin's EP like water and battle him for an extended period of time.

2. Tyrant was totally ineffective against Galactus in their second meeting until he used G's machines to suck all the power out of him. Also, Galactus straight up defeated a much moire powerful version of Tyrant a long time ago.

3. The Fallen one attacked Galactus while he was severly weakened and in a healing chamber and was still swatted away in the end. All he did was a little damage to Galactus's gauntlet.

4. Odin lost to Galactus by running into him and being so depleted by it and his mental attack that he could not continue the fight. He had to run into the Destroyer Armor by his own admission.

5. Zeus had the Chaos King and thousands of gods inside him. His power was seriosuly boosed in that story. Bringin up that writer's quote can open up a can of worms.

Your post is so biased that it's a joke, really. You should not let your like or dislike of a character influence you so much.

1. My use of Thanos was to show how much power it would take to launch Galactus, and how much defense it would take to defy him, even if for moments. Rune King is much greater than Odin.

2. Zopzop do you believe that Tyrant was ineffective against Galactus? Well I don't believe it for a second. After all why did Galactus even bother to feed before the battle if Tyrant was going to be ineffective against him? You may also be allowing your mind to create a situation that your eyes did not see. FP Tyrant lost off panel, so for all we know Galactus may have used the nullifier on him to reduce a great deal of his power, because any other reasoning would be ridiculous after seeing how much trouble DP Tyrant gave him even before technopathy entered the equation.

3. My point was that the Fallen One was able to harm Galactus showing his vulnerabilities. Galactus is a helium balloon in that he loses steam at a very fast rate. It wasn't a low ball attempt please steer away from that idea, because that was not my intent here. Power Sets, and curses/weaknesses must be acknowledged.

4. The battle was equal in terms of Odin holding his own. If Galactus was as superior as you may be trying to indicate, he would have easily overcome Odin, which is not what happened.

5. The writer said that it was a minor upgrade, so let's not make it into more than what the writer made it out to be. Buy it or stand aside. Never assume what I like or dislike. I like Galactus. It's comments like that which will piss me off.

Like I said, I have given enough examples to support my stance without having to resort to under handed tactics such as low balling Galactus, or appearing to hate the character. By my own admission, I actually like the character a lot.

Originally posted by guy222
Big G

Yep. I had a feeling it was you who bumped this thread.

Originally posted by zopzop
You realize that he absorbed that he tanked and absorbed that blast right? You also must remember this scene right?
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/579/silversurferv3106p08.th.jpg

You remember he screamed ARRRRRGH as Galactus blasted him through the side of his ship right? But again I guess that the blast had no effect... except ofcause almost make Tyrant doubt his course of action... Yes absolutely no effect at all...

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Heralds/Tyrant/SilverSurferv3108p09.jpg

And just a question, since you seem to be so fond of asking them, why could Tyrant absorb Galactus blasts when he was unable to do so the first time they fought?

Originally posted by MF DELPH
They really need to bring Tyrant back.

Really is a understatement.
He is definitely a cosmic threat.

Originally posted by Utrigita
You remember he screamed ARRRRRGH as Galactus blasted him through the side of his ship right? But again I guess that the blast had no effect... except ofcause almost make Tyrant doubt his course of action... Yes absolutely no effect at all...

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Heralds/Tyrant/SilverSurferv3108p09.jpg

And just a question, since you seem to be so fond of asking them, why could Tyrant absorb Galactus blasts when he was unable to do so the first time they fought?
1)It did have no effect because it did no lasting damage to him. He just absorbed a blast from a Galactus, that in his OWN words, hadn't felt this powerful in ages. That's why Galactus stopped blasting him and resorted to physical attacks. Then when those didn't work, he panicked and resorted to his tech. Then he almost died.

2) Why, if Galactus can summon the UN to his hand like he did during the Abraxas arc, didn't he use this ability when Reed threatened him with it the first time they met? Or when Morg had it in his hand and he ordered Morg to hand it over? See my point? Marz was the creator of Tyrant and did the Cosmic Powers series. Later Lackey took over. Different writers, different views of the character.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Yep. I had a feeling it was you who bumped this thread.

It wasn't. It was me.

Originally posted by zopzop
1)It did have no effect because it did no lasting damage to him. He just absorbed a blast from a Galactus, that in his OWN words, hadn't felt this powerful in ages. That's why Galactus stopped blasting him and resorted to physical attacks. Then when those didn't work, he panicked and resorted to his tech. Then he almost died.

2) Why, if Galactus can summon the UN to his hand like he did during the Abraxas arc, didn't he use this ability when Reed threatened him with it the first time they met? Or when Morg had it in his hand and he ordered Morg to hand it over? See my point? Marz was the creator of Tyrant and did the Cosmic Powers series. Later Lackey took over. Different writers, different views of the character.

Imo it's flatout wrong to state that something had no effect when it on panel had a very clear effect, The Godblast against Juggarnaut had no effect, if you hit superman it would have no effect, but having a Character blown through the side a ship screaming in pain, I'm sorry but in my book that is having a effect. That the attack in itself did no lasting damage against Tyrant is true, but to say that Tyrant tanked it when he obviously didn't is wrong. Atleast from my perspective.

I figured that since you was the guy that made Tyrant respect thread you would have a possible answer. My mistake.

Originally posted by Stoic
It wasn't. It was me.

Oh my bad.
Guy has a knack for it though.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Yep. I had a feeling it was you who bumped this thread.

hey friend

Originally posted by Sundipped
Oh my bad.
Guy has a knack for it though.

indeed

i'd place rkt above odin

can he win...if we believe odin<galactus then rkt has a chance

but

Originally posted by Utrigita
Imo it's flatout wrong to state that something had no effect when it on panel had a very clear effect, The Godblast against Juggarnaut had no effect, if you hit superman it would have no effect, but having a Character blown through the side a ship screaming in pain, I'm sorry but in my book that is having a effect. That the attack in itself did no lasting damage against Tyrant is true, but to say that Tyrant tanked it when he obviously didn't is wrong. Atleast from my perspective.

I figured that since you was the guy that made Tyrant respect thread you would have a possible answer. My mistake.

OK so it affected Tyrant, but it didn't hurt him nearly as much as Tyrant hurt Galactus. Also if written correctly, the more power Galactus expends the faster he becomes weak. Galactus does not increase in power, he is always in ebb. Any large power should in fact make Galactus flee after a given amount of time waged in war. Galactus is a cosmic parasite. This is not me taking a cheap shot, but more the acknowledgment of how his powers work, and what he is.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Imo it's flatout wrong to state that something had no effect when it on panel had a very clear effect, The Godblast against Juggarnaut had no effect, if you hit superman it would have no effect, but having a Character blown through the side a ship screaming in pain, I'm sorry but in my book that is having a effect. That the attack in itself did no lasting damage against Tyrant is true, but to say that Tyrant tanked it when he obviously didn't is wrong. Atleast from my perspective.

I figured that since you was the guy that made Tyrant respect thread you would have a possible answer. My mistake.
You're right, I was wrong. It DID have an effect. It empowered him! See? I can admit my mistakes.

Originally posted by guy222
i'd place rkt above odin

can he win...if we believe odin<galactus then rkt has a chance

but

Yes, RKT is above Odin but not as some exaggerate. For example, I don't see RKT defeating a Celestial. Do you?

BTW, the Lakeshow is reloaded and ready for another title run, Guy!

Originally posted by Tar-Antado
Yes, RKT is above Odin but not as some exaggerate. For example, I don't see RKT defeating a Celestial. Do you?

BTW, the Lakeshow is reloaded and ready for another title run, Guy!

The Rune King pulled Loki's head off as easily as he would pluck a flower, and Loki was amped up to Sky Father level, yet RK Thor treated him like a low meta. Thor at that point was well above Odin in power. As for the Celestial question, Galactus at average levels can't beat every Celestial himself, so I don't see why Rune King Thor could not defeat one of the minor Celestials.

Originally posted by Stoic
The Rune King pulled Loki's head off as easily as he would pluck a flower, and Loki was amped up to Sky Father level, yet RK Thor treated him like a low meta. Thor at that point was well above Odin in power. As for the Celestial question, Galactus at average levels can't beat every Celestial himself, so I don't see why Rune King Thor could not defeat one of the minor Celestials.

Yeah definatly agree he could probably defeat exitar do a bit more than what classic thor did etc..

Originally posted by Stoic
The Rune King pulled Loki's head off as easily as he would pluck a flower, and Loki was amped up to Sky Father level, yet RK Thor treated him like a low meta. Thor at that point was well above Odin in power. As for the Celestial question, Galactus at average levels can't beat every Celestial himself, so I don't see why Rune King Thor could not defeat one of the minor Celestials.
Maybe those Hulk-sized buffoon type Celestials . RKT being able to beat a Prime-Host Celestial is a stretch imo , considering how an Odin+Asgard amped Destroyer was shown to be weaker than every single member of the 4th host .

Galactus blinks RKT out of existence, then punches Odin in the balls to put an end to the Odinforce.

Originally posted by Stoic
OK so it affected Tyrant, but it didn't hurt him nearly as much as Tyrant hurt Galactus. Also if written correctly, the more power Galactus expends the faster he becomes weak. Galactus does not increase in power, he is always in ebb. Any large power should in fact make Galactus flee after a given amount of time waged in war. Galactus is a cosmic parasite. This is not me taking a cheap shot, but more the acknowledgment of how his powers work, and what he is.

Except Tyrants blast had absolutely no effect against Galactus, so I don't quite see how you end at the crossroad that Tyrant inflicted more damage with his attack then Galactus did.

True, in theory, but just exactly how many times in comics have Galactus when he have engaged in a cosmic battle withdrawn because the amount of energy he used was to great to allow a continued engagement? I frankly can't recall a single incident where energy consumption was the reason.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Except Tyrants blast had absolutely no effect against Galactus, so I don't quite see how you end at the crossroad that Tyrant inflicted more damage with his attack then Galactus did.

True, in theory, but just exactly how many times in comics have Galactus when he have engaged in a cosmic battle withdrawn because the amount of energy he used was to great to allow a continued engagement? I frankly can't recall a single incident where energy consumption was the reason.

Tyrant was just about to gank the shit out of Galactus, so I have no idea which book you were reading.

Oh you don't recall his battle with Mephisto, in which he began to feed on his realm? What would have happened if he didn't have that option? Yep sooner or later he would have had to flee, due to his nature. It's not a technicality, it's how his powers work, or more to the point, his curse. Galactus has horrible stamina, so no mentions of PIS moments to bail him out OK. It's just who he is. A helium balloon with a slow leak.

Originally posted by Stoic
Tyrant was just about to gank the shit out of Galactus, so I have no idea which book you were reading.

Oh you don't recall his battle with Mephisto, in which he began to feed on his realm? What would have happened if he didn't have that option? Yep sooner or later he would have had to flee, due to his nature. It's not a technicality, it's how his powers work, or more to the point, his curse. Galactus has horrible stamina, so no mentions of PIS moments to bail him out OK. It's just who he is. A helium balloon with a slow leak.
He only started feeding Meph's realm because the Surfer suggested it to him , as doing so would have broken their stalemate . He didn't feed on it , because his energy reserves were depleting or he was on the losing side of their battle .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
He only started feeding Meph's realm because the Surfer suggested it to him , as doing so would have broken their stalemate . He didn't feed on it , because his energy reserves were depleting or he was on the losing side of their battle .


Galactus is always losing energy, or he would not feed, let's not split hairs when we both know that he is always in survival mode. He also taps further into his reserves when in battle, or he would not have fed on a planet in preparation for his battle with Tyrant.

It may have been a stalemate breaker, but if the battle had continued for long enough, he would have began to become weaker, and Mephisto would have remained at the same level of power that he was at from the dawn of their battle. What does that tell you? It tells me that if they were at the point of a stalemate, and Galactus depletes his reserves, that he would have eventually gotten trashed by Mephisto.

Originally posted by Stoic
Tyrant was just about to gank the shit out of Galactus, so I have no idea which book you were reading.

Oh you don't recall his battle with Mephisto, in which he began to feed on his realm? What would have happened if he didn't have that option? Yep sooner or later he would have had to flee, due to his nature. It's not a technicality, it's how his powers work, or more to the point, his curse. Galactus has horrible stamina, so no mentions of PIS moments to bail him out OK. It's just who he is. A helium balloon with a slow leak.

Isn't we comparing what amount of effect each respective blast had, or are we discussing the fight as a whole?

So let me get this straight, He fought Tenebrous, Aegis, Inbetweener, Agamotto, Thanos w/IG, The Galactus Engine, The Four Celestials, Odin, Zeus, FP Tyrant, Sphinx, High Evolutionary, Ego, The Other and Scrier, and didn't in one of these cases back down because a lack of energy, and I was under the impression that he began to feast on Mephistos realm more to break the stalemate (as suggested by Surfer in order to safe the universe), but still does one incident with Mephisto trumph the rest? Not imo, but to each his own.

I agree that feeding is his nature, that much is obvious, but to say that his energy consumption is a huge factor in a fight I simply can't agree with, based on how it have been portrayed in the fights itself. Sure Galactus burns energy but far from in a alarming rate, which is also why he can go for a month with the energy required from each planet.

Originally posted by Stoic
Galactus is always losing energy, or he would not feed, let's not split hairs when we both know that he is always in survival mode. He also taps further into his reserves when in battle, or he would not have fed on a planet in preparation for his battle with Tyrant.

It may have been a stalemate breaker, but if the battle had continued for long enough, he would have began to become weaker, and Mephisto would have remained at the same level of power that he was at from the dawn of their battle. What does that tell you? It tells me that if they were at the point of a stalemate, and Galactus depletes his reserves, that he would have eventually gotten trashed by Mephisto.
I am not denying that Galactus has a tendency to lose gas , just that during his battle with Mephisto , he started feeding on Hell because Surfer suggested it to him , NOT BECAUSE HE WAS GETTING WEAKER .
Anything else from what was shown is speculation on your part .

Originally posted by Utrigita
Isn't we comparing what amount of effect each respective blast had, or are we discussing the fight as a whole?

So let me get this straight, He fought Tenebrous, Aegis, Inbetweener, Agamotto, Thanos w/IG, The Galactus Engine, The Four Celestials, Odin, Zeus, FP Tyrant, Sphinx, High Evolutionary, Ego, The Other and Scrier, and didn't in one of these cases back down because a lack of energy, and I was under the impression that he began to feast on Mephistos realm more to break the stalemate (as suggested by Surfer in order to safe the universe), but still does one incident with Mephisto trumph the rest? Not imo, but to each his own.

I agree that feeding is his nature, that much is obvious, but to say that his energy consumption is a huge factor in a fight I simply can't agree with, based on how it have been portrayed in the fights itself. Sure Galactus burns energy but far from in a alarming rate, which is also why he can go for a month with the energy required from each planet.
During Zeus' and Sphinx's battle , Galactus was already in a hungry/starving state though .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
During Zeus' and Sphinx's battle , Galactus was already in a hungry/starving state though .

True, but was there any mentioning or hint of Galactus losing power at a alarming rate in these confrontations? Not as I recall.

Which is my point, Galactus loses energy sure, no doubt about it, but have that energy consumption been shown as having a impact on Galactus abilities to fight prolonged battles against equal or superior foes? Not imo. Sure he feeds before certain battles, but in just as many cases he doesn't. Ultimately the amount of energy that Galactus burns out in the fighting isn't hinted at. Which is why I think that trying to impose such idea on Galactus fighting is speculative at best, when we have no proof or idea of just how much energy Galactus actually loses in a confrontation.

I stand corrected there is the Phoenix situation where Galactus loses energy.

How about the Herald my rage blast? Wasn't he pretty weakened then?

Originally posted by Utrigita
Isn't we comparing what amount of effect each respective blast had, or are we discussing the fight as a whole?

So let me get this straight, He fought Tenebrous, Aegis, Inbetweener, Agamotto, Thanos w/IG, The Galactus Engine, The Four Celestials, Odin, Zeus, FP Tyrant, Sphinx, High Evolutionary, Ego, The Other and Scrier, and didn't in one of these cases back down because a lack of energy, and I was under the impression that he began to feast on Mephistos realm more to break the stalemate (as suggested by Surfer in order to safe the universe), but still does one incident with Mephisto trumph the rest? Not imo, but to each his own.

I agree that feeding is his nature, that much is obvious, but to say that his energy consumption is a huge factor in a fight I simply can't agree with, based on how it have been portrayed in the fights itself. Sure Galactus burns energy but far from in a alarming rate, which is also why he can go for a month with the energy required from each planet.


Galactus is ready to feed the minute after he eats, so to believe that he doesn't begin to ebb quicker in a battle is PIS. How many times have you read him say that the hunger is again upon him?

The writers won't have Galactus actually fall out in mid battle because he would no longer be regarded in the same light as he is. It's simply something that the writers omit, but in a forum setting on who would really win based on powers and in Galactus' case a curse. He would have a harder time defeating very powerful characters after a certain period of time or depletion of power, when those characters do not have to fight just him but their depletion as well. This has to be factored into the equation, or we won't get a clear picture of how things would go.

If Galactus can not one shot Rune King Thor or put him down within a certain amount of time, his chances of doing so would dwindle the longer they did fight. We know from his battle with Odin that he's not putting RK Thor down at average levels. You may need to accept the possibility (which is large) that RK Thor would be able to defeat Galactus at average levels. I'm not saying that he would at his much higher cosmic levels, but the Galactus that fought Odin should not win against RK Thor.

Yes I know what has been written, but at times writers have to ignore certain fine details in order to complete the plot. This is a forum match, so things like his slow leak have to be factored in.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How about the Herald my rage blast? Wasn't he pretty weakened then?

he had those capsule of power cosmic that Annihilus collected floating around him..i'm pretty sure he used that..

Originally posted by Stoic
Galactus is ready to feed the minute after he eats, so to believe that he doesn't begin to ebb quicker in a battle is PIS. How many times have you read him say that the hunger is again upon him?

The writers won't have Galactus actually fall out in mid battle because he would no longer be regarded in the same light as he is. It's simply something that the writers omit, but in a forum setting on who would really win based on powers and in Galactus' case a curse. He would have a harder time defeating very powerful characters after a certain period of time or depletion of power, when those characters do not have to fight just him but their depletion as well. This has to be factored into the equation, or we won't get a clear picture of how things would go.

If Galactus can not one shot Rune King Thor or put him down within a certain amount of time, his chances of doing so would dwindle the longer they did fight. We know from his battle with Odin that he's not putting RK Thor down at average levels. You may need to accept the possibility (which is large) that RK Thor would be able to defeat Galactus at average levels. I'm not saying that he would at his much higher cosmic levels, but the Galactus that fought Odin should not win against RK Thor.

Yes I know what has been written, but at times writers have to ignore certain fine details in order to complete the plot. This is a forum match, so things like his slow leak have to be factored in.

How many times had you read Galactus say that directly after a battle, please enlighten me. As far as I recall he didn't say so after his confrontations with, Tenebrous/Aegis, Galactus Engine, Zeus, Odin, Scrier and the Other, Ego, Agamotto, hell not even after during the Scapel on Eternity did he say the great hunger is upon me. Sure Galactus is always read to absorb more planets, but that doesn't equal that we should just assume that when he fights his energy burns out like gasoline.

And how exactly will you factor something into a fight that haven't been shown? Will you just assume and speculate at what might possibly happen to Galactus powerlevel in this particular fight, even though there is nothing solid to back it up?

True, the Galactus that fought Odin would have hard time with RKT, and indeed very possibly lose, however there is atleast three recent incarnations of Galactus in other comics that point towards the exact opposite scenario, where RKT would be happy if he survived the first five minutes, which is also why I have made it a habit (until atleast Galactus becomes a bit more "in line" to take each Galactus and use the seperately because their appearances varies to a enormous degree. Cancerwars, Odin, Fantastic four and Thor Annual, showed a Galactus that was all over the place in terms of powerlevel, atleast imo.

I have no problem to factor in his leak, the moment I have a idea from the comics to what extend the fighting is depleting his energy reserves, until then it's just speculation imo what effect the energy consumption will have on his fighting capacity. Also Odin burned out his Odinpower fighting Galactus, and iirc RKT also draws power from the Odin Force, so he is also losing energy over time, or is RKT just running on the pure rune magic? I can't recall.

Originally posted by Utrigita
How many times had you read Galactus say that directly after a battle, please enlighten me. As far as I recall he didn't say so after his confrontations with, Tenebrous/Aegis, Galactus Engine, Zeus, Odin, Scrier and the Other, Ego, Agamotto, hell not even after during the Scapel on Eternity did he say the great hunger is upon me. Sure Galactus is always read to absorb more planets, but that doesn't equal that we should just assume that when he fights his energy burns out like gasoline.

And how exactly will you factor something into a fight that haven't been shown? Will you just assume and speculate at what might possibly happen to Galactus powerlevel in this particular fight, even though there is nothing solid to back it up?

True, the Galactus that fought Odin would have hard time with RKT, and indeed very possibly lose, however there is atleast three recent incarnations of Galactus in other comics that point towards the exact opposite scenario, where RKT would be happy if he survived the first five minutes, which is also why I have made it a habit (until atleast Galactus becomes a bit more "in line" to take each Galactus and use the seperately because their appearances varies to a enormous degree. Cancerwars, Odin, Fantastic four and Thor Annual, showed a Galactus that was all over the place in terms of powerlevel, atleast imo.

I have no problem to factor in his leak, the moment I have a idea from the comics to what extend the fighting is depleting his energy reserves, until then it's just speculation imo what effect the energy consumption will have on his fighting capacity. Also Odin burned out his Odinpower fighting Galactus, and iirc RKT also draws power from the Odin Force, so he is also losing energy over time, or is RKT just running on the pure rune magic? I can't recall.
Apparently RKT draws power from both the Odinforce and the mystic Runes . From the way his rite of passage was portrayed though , he may well have surpassed Odin in terms of raw power alone(what him sacrificing 2 eyes , and hanging himself until Death literally claimed him , something which goes beyond what Odin accomplished) .

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How about the Herald my rage blast? Wasn't he pretty weakened then? Originally posted by Slaanesh
he had those capsule of power cosmic that Annihilus collected floating around him..i'm pretty sure he used that..
Exactly!
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/2842/0262destroystheannihila.th.jpg

He gets free, sucks the PC from the canisters that Annihilus had it stored in, then unleashes that "Herald My Rage" blast, then is starving. As impressive as that blast sounds keep in mind Annihilus with the Q-bands survived it as well as Nova Prime AND he shielded others that were present.

Originally posted by zopzop
Exactly!
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/2842/0262destroystheannihila.th.jpg

He gets free, sucks the PC from the canisters that Annihilus had it stored in, then unleashes that "Herald My Rage" blast, then is starving. As impressive as that blast sounds keep in mind Annihilus with the Q-bands survived it as well as Nova Prime AND he shielded others that were present.


I believe they survive the tell end of it

Originally posted by zopzop
Exactly!
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/2842/0262destroystheannihila.th.jpg

He gets free, sucks the PC from the canisters that Annihilus had it stored in, then unleashes that "Herald My Rage" blast, then is starving. As impressive as that blast sounds keep in mind Annihilus with the Q-bands survived it as well as Nova Prime AND he shielded others that were present.

Heck yeah, it was impressive. It was an omni-directional blast over an untold volume of space. If you focus all that energy in a tighter blast then I doubt many beings aside from abstracts will survive.

Originally posted by Utrigita
True, but was there any mentioning or hint of Galactus losing power at a alarming rate in these confrontations? Not as I recall.

Which is my point, Galactus loses energy sure, no doubt about it, but have that energy consumption been shown as having a impact on Galactus abilities to fight prolonged battles against equal or superior foes? Not imo. Sure he feeds before certain battles, but in just as many cases he doesn't. Ultimately the amount of energy that Galactus burns out in the fighting isn't hinted at. Which is why I think that trying to impose such idea on Galactus fighting is speculative at best, when we have no proof or idea of just how much energy Galactus actually loses in a confrontation.

I stand corrected there is the Phoenix situation where Galactus loses energy.
The point is that in those two situations Galactus was already unfed/empty belly . He had no juice in his system . I doubt in such a state , he would be any further diminished .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
The point is that in those two situations Galactus was already unfed/empty belly . He had no juice in his system . I doubt in such a state , he would be any further diminished .

Cool, we are basically saying the same thing.