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I'll come up with names after.

Essentially, for the sake of character history, lets assume that the powers of Iron Fist were a secondary mutation of Mystique's. They work exactly the same with the same capabilities.

Let's also assume that T'challa was a mutant with the same healing factor, and claws as Wolverine. The claws are still adamantium, and there are slits in the suit for them.

They fight in an abandoned construction site. They start 50 feet apart. Mystique has still gained her current level of shifting, and T'challa has all his normal equipment.

Fluid fist Vs the Badger?

mercury hand Vs The Puma?

Blue Steel Vs Wakandarene?

I love how all of the M/IF names were great, while the BP/W names were ...

Except for Puma, but that's taken.


But it's ok, because Mystique and Fist take this anyways.

I think Blue Steel is the best.

Blue Steel vs.

Fuzzy lumpkins?

That doesn't even deserve a rimshot



Who do you say takes this?

Not a fan of any,but from what i've heard of Mystique and IF i'll say them.

Mystique and Iron Fist. That's the best match you could come up with for BP and Wolverine?

Sabretooth/Klaw

Sabreclaw durlaugh

Originally posted by llagrok
Mystique and Iron Fist. That's the best match you could come up with for BP and Wolverine? Of course not. But I wanted to go somewhere that hasn't been done to death already.

At first I thought this would be a decent fight, but when you think about it, Black Wolf wins at least 8/10.

Noe, Blue Steel would pwn him. Ironfist is more then a match for either of them, and with Mystique's current shifting capabilities, they have this in the bag.

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Noe, Blue Steel would pwn him. Ironfist is more then a match for either of them, and with Mystique's current shifting capabilities, they have this in the bag.

You gave T'challa his standard equip!

He short circuits Blue steels nervous system. No seriously!!!

Originally posted by Apolloknight
You gave T'challa his standard equip!

He short circuits Blue steels nervous system. No seriously!!! Actually he doesn't. No seriously!!!

He wouldn't tag Blue Steel, who can shift his nervous system.

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Actually he doesn't. No seriously!!!

He wouldn't tag Blue Steel, who can shift his nervous system.

And even still, when Panther fought probably the most powerful version of IronFist comics has seen, (well I dont know how powerful he is as with his current upgrade) he was easily able to land multiple blows on him, but he wont tag him at all, nope, not a bit.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
And even still, when Panther fought probably the most powerful version of IronFist comics has seen, (well I dont know how powerful he is as with his current upgrade) he was easily able to land multiple blows on him, but he wont tag him at all, nope, not a bit. Mystique on her own has kept up with helicopters.

Mystique + IF speed?

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Mystique on her own has kept up with helicopters.

Mystique + IF speed?

All that speed isn't going to matter when Wolverine and panther both have one-hit kill abilities.

Not to mention their two of the most dangerous fighters in marvel.

Not to mention throw in T'challas massive tactical and intellectual advantage.

Not to mention throw in wolverines uber god-like healing factor.

Not to mention throw in panthers vibranium weave suit.

Anti-metal claws, Energy daggers, indestructible skeleton and claws.

Oh and both wolverine and panther are no slouches in the speed department either.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
All that speed isn't going to matter when Wolverine and panther both have one-hit kill abilities. Not against Mystique they don't, and IF is currently learning about auto-healing, iirc.

And the Iron Fist can put them down with a direct hit anyways.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Not to mention their two of the most dangerous fighters in marvel.

Not to mention throw in T'challas massive tactical and intellectual advantage. As are Iron Fist and Mystique.

And M has solo'd compouds of people, and is a master of espionage. The tactical advantage isn't far at all.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Not to mention throw in wolverines uber god-like healing factor.

Not to mention throw in panthers vibranium weave suit.

Anti-metal claws, Energy daggers, indestructible skeleton and claws.

Oh and both wolverine and panther are no slouches in the speed department either. With Blue Steel's equip and morphing, he can cut through the suit.

Black Wolf would never tag steel anyways, so that's useless.

Throw in the fact that they'd never hit a major arterie, Blue Steel can phase, and easily has the strength advantage...

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph
Not against Mystique they don't, and IF is currently learning about auto-healing, iirc.



And he had to focus to heal. You really think their going to have time to focus.

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph

And the Iron Fist can put them down with a direct hit anyways.
As are Iron Fist and Mystique.



Many class100 have tried to down wolverine, come on, you know its going to take much, MUCH, MUCH more then one direct hit to down them, because they'd have to get through panthers suit first, which has also withstood shots from hulk and MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE iron fist punches (panther was still standing after the barrage wasn't he )

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph

And M has solo'd compouds of people, and is a master of espionage. The tactical advantage isn't far at all.



Actually the tactical advantage is very huge, ask black widow, she tried to track down panther and panther knew the whole time she was tracking him, as T'challa said himself, "People like me (t'challa), hire people like Black widow"

Oh and panther has been training as a warrior since he was 4, and wolverine has what, a century of experience under his belt, its no contest.

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph


With Blue Steel's equip and morphing, he can cut through the suit.

Black Wolf would never tag steel anyways, so that's useless.

Throw in the fact that they'd never hit a major arterie, Blue Steel can phase, and easily has the strength advantage...

Again, even if they do get through the suit, wolverines healing factors keeps them going for quite some time.

Also, unless they are as fast as quicksilver and whirlwind, (whom T'challa has dodged both) the speed advantage is not that great.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
And he had to focus to heal. You really think their going to have time to focus. In Immortal IF, he's gaining AUTO-healing, iirc. And Black Wolf won't hit Steel anyways. AND, if BW does, he won't hit anything major anyways.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Many class100 have tried to down wolverine, come on, you know its going to take much, MUCH, MUCH more then one direct hit to down them, because they'd have to get through panthers suit first, which has also withstood shots from hulk and MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE iron fist punches (panther was still standing after the barrage wasn't he )I said direct hit, as in, without the suit, which they can cut down anyways. And this IF would hit harder then normal, because Mystique alone is stronger then base danny, or Black Panther for that matter.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Actually the tactical advantage is very huge, ask black widow, she tried to track down panther and panther knew the whole time she was tracking him, as T'challa said himself, "People like me (t'challa), hire people like Black widow" And this is a combat scenario, not a shadowing scenario. And T'challa certainly wouldn't hire Mystique, who is better at what she does then Black Widow is at what she does.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Oh and panther has been training as a warrior since he was 4, and wolverine has what, a century of experience under his belt, its no contest. You don't get Wolvie's expierience, only his powers. That's what the OP said. And the IF can amp up the user to insane fighting ability, coupled with Mystique's fighting ability, and the speed, strength and reflex advantage...

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Again, even if they do get through the suit, wolverines healing factors keeps them going for quite some time.

Also, unless they are as fast as quicksilver and whirlwind, (whom T'challa has dodged both) the speed advantage is not that great. No it wouldn't, and these guys are much better fighters then quicksilver or whirlwind. Not to mention, Steel'll be using speed for dodging, not hitting.

Then there's the fact that Blue Steel can camouflage and phase...

So why is T'challa not allowed to have wolverines experience, but danny can have mystique's.

If not, then my point stands that T'challa is leagues above danny in a tactical and intellectual sense.

Originally posted by SnazzySmurph

No it wouldn't, and these guys are much better fighters then quicksilver or whirlwind. Not to mention, Steel'll be using speed for dodging, not hitting.

Then there's the fact that Blue Steel can camouflage and phase...

Yeah she better be dodging, all those one hit kills Black wolf is capable of, she couldn't do anything else, not to mention Black wolf has the advantage of attack from distance with the daggers also.

Camouflage? Come on now smurf, is that going to really be effective with the combined senses of these two, really, think about it first.

Phase is about all danny can do to hope for the win, because if its just a straight up fight, one-hit wins it for black wolf.

Also, black panther energy daggers can become intangible and phase through walls and most notably, adamantium.

Question, do you believe the frequency the daggers are set to could effect a phased mystique?

Originally posted by Apolloknight
So why is T'challa not allowed to have wolverines experience, but danny can have mystique's.

If not, then my point stands that T'challa is leagues above danny in a tactical and intellectual sense.



Yeah she better be dodging, all those one hit kills Black wolf is capable of, she couldn't do anything else, not to mention Black wolf has the advantage of attack from distance with the daggers also.

Camouflage? Come on now smurf, is that going to really be effective with the combined senses of these two, really, think about it first.

Phase is about all danny can do to hope for the win, because if its just a straight up fight, one-hit wins it for black wolf.

Also, black panther energy daggers can become intangible and phase through walls and most notably, adamantium.

Question, do you believe the frequency the daggers are set to could effect a phased mystique? It's not Danny who doesn't have Mystique's expierience, it's Mystique who doesn't have Danny's.

Blue Steel i has just as much expierience with the iron fist as Danny does, but not Danny's personal expieriences. Same for T'challa and the claws, but not Wolverine's expieriences.

They're not one-hit kills with shapeshifting and auto-healing involved.

The ability to not detect Blue Steel through eye sight would certainly be a hinderance, though not as much as it would be to, say, Captain America.

No... there's nothing that he could do that would be a one-hit KO. But, as soon as the suit is gone, one hit is all that Steel needs.

The hell if I know. Mystique's phasing works in that she loses mass, iirc.

Wait Mystique can phase? WTF!? I know she can shift her body around to save certain organs but I've never heard of her phasing.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=412297&pagenumber=1

I think the phasing is on the third page, but it's all good for a read.