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Ultron in his adamantium form. He has all the abilities from all his previous incarnations.

They fight on a tennis field. No Bfr.

I don't see how either can go down.

tough call?

Juggs can damage his internal circuitry (maybe), Ultron may be able to use encephalo ray against Juggs if he can get around the skullcap/helmet.

Originally posted by Bentley
No Bfr. NO BFR + Juggernaut /Thread

If Ultron can get the helmet off, the encephalo ray might do it. Big if, though.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
If Ultron can get the helmet off, the encephalo ray might do it. Big if, though. like he can just walk thru Juggs Punches and just take his helmet off with his hands...

Ultron.

this will go on forever...i see ultron having a better can to take this...he might be able to think of something

im gonna say stalemate tho

Originally posted by nicamarvin
like he can just walk thru Juggs Punches and just take his helmet off with his hands...

Likely he would. His Adamantium version should easily hold up to Juggernaut seeing as Hulk could as well. That helmet will eventually come off seeing as Ultron has more than enough strength to take it off. After that, it's the encephalo ray for the win.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Likely he would. His Adamantium version should easily hold up to Juggernaut seeing as Hulk could as well. That helmet will eventually come off seeing as Ultron has more than enough strength to take it off. After that, it's the encephalo ray for the win.


its not quite that easy. ultron has said that thing may have been as strong as him, in a direct test of strength... look at how easily juggernaut dismissed thing.


ultron isnt just gonna walk all over juggs. stalemate at best.

Sonics, perhaps?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
and only reason juggarnaut is able to survive hulk is his invincibility.Without it jugs is dead.

Seriuosly...bad argument. actualy Juggy has alot more thing to survive....

first is his ForceField.....
second is his Invulnerability
third is his Healing factor
forth is his Inmortality
fifth is He is a frigging AVATAR.....

Mjolnir throws have bounced off of Ultron while he mecha laughs, so yeah, he can take punches from Juggernaut.

Didn't we have a myth buster thread? You know, if I have some time this weekend, maybe I'll prove that the Juggernaut has been affected by physical attacks more than a few times, and has attributed his invulnerability to his force field as well and was actively using it in the past to defend himself from attacks (Besides the Thor fight.).

Just to see nicamarvin's meltdown.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Didn't we have a myth buster thread? You know, if I have some time this weekend, maybe I'll prove that the Juggernaut has been affected by physical attacks more than a few times, and has attributed his invulnerability to his force field as well and was actively using it in the past to defend himself from attacks (Besides the Thor fight.).

Just to see nicamarvin's meltdown. do you hate juggs because he's humiliated your god in the past so many times?

Originally posted by Starscream M
do you hate juggs because he's humiliated your god in the past so many times? not just Thor Fanboys...Hulk Fanboys are also upset with the FACT juggernaut its their physical superior.....

Base hulk yes juggs is superior.But when he gets savage hulk has the adavantage.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Base hulk yes juggs is superior.But when he gets savage hulk has the adavantage. ....

sans BFR, PIS, CIS Juggernaut was made to kill Hulk, heck he is "The Brick" Killer.....


Without BFR,PIS, CIS Hulk is Dead the moment he engage Juggernaut..

Originally posted by Bentley
Ultron in his adamantium form. He has all the abilities from all his previous incarnations.

They fight on a tennis field. No Bfr.

No BFR means no winner.

Stalemate.

Originally posted by nicamarvin
....

sans BFR, PIS, CIS Juggernaut was made to kill Hulk, heck he is "The Brick" Killer.....


Without BFR,PIS, CIS Hulk is Dead the moment he engage Juggernaut.. Made to kill hulk...I never said hulk beats juggs I said savage hulk is stronger then juggs.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I said savage hulk is stronger then juggs. Juggernaut will always match Hulk in strenght no matter how stronger hulk gets....WWH proved that....

Originally posted by nicamarvin
Juggernaut will always match Hulk in strenght no matter how stronger hulk gets....WWH proved that.... No he won't.So somehow beating the strongest version of hulk,amped with celestial tech,isn't PIS?

They eventually realize that they can't hurt each other and have to resort to a tennis match.
Ultron destroys him at tennis.

Originally posted by Starscream M
do you hate juggs because he's humiliated your god in the past so many times?

So many times in the past? Do you have access to some limited edition comics I don't have? They've had 3 fights only. And Thor was far from humiliated in any of them if you actually know the context or you know, have read the fights.

Go back to the kiddy table where you can argue that Juggernaut is tougther than Galactus without being laughed at.

Originally posted by nicamarvin
....

sans BFR, PIS, CIS Juggernaut was made to kill Hulk, heck he is "The Brick" Killer.....


Without BFR,PIS, CIS Hulk is Dead the moment he engage Juggernaut..

It's like you choose to completely ignore what actually happens in comics and use your own personal fan fiction as the basis for your opinions.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
No he won't.So He was the physical superior to World War Hulk....the frigging guy that beat Sentry...

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So many times in the past? Do you have access to some limited edition comics I don't have? They've had 3 fights only. And Thor was far from humiliated in any of them if you actually know the context or you know, have read the fights.

Go back to the kiddy table where you can argue that Juggernaut is tougther than Galactus without being laughed at. I never said Juggeranut is tougher than galactus

I said that juggernaut is more physically durable than galactus, which is a proven fact you clown

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It's like you choose to completely ignore what actually happens in comics and use your own personal fan fiction as the basis for your opinions. its Called FACTS you Rtard... you know and I know the only reason Hulk gets away alive after a brawl with juggernaut its Called PIS.....


you know in KMC Hulk without BFR dies against Juggernaut...

It's like dumb and dumber.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Go back to the kiddy table where you can argue that Juggernaut is tougther than Galactus without being laughed at. He DID tanked the GodBlast.....

1) He had his force field on, hence he did not tank it.

2) Thor was very, very weakened at the time.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


2) Thor was very, very weakened at the time. stop pulling crap outta your behind

it was a very powerful godblast...thor looked perfectly fine.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
1) He had his force field on, hence he did not tank it.

2) Thor was very, very weakened at the time.


thor stated (making it fact) that the nausea had left his limbs before the god blast, narration also takes it a step farther saying it was the same blast that gave a celestial pause and caused galactus to flee.


juggernaut wasnt even intent on fighting thor, and still was beating him up even with the new warriors distracting juggernaut. he did little more than play around with him.


thor has stated that juggernaut cant be beaten by himself (8th day, although juggernaut wasnt really any more powerful there)... any other thing is speculation.

ultron....

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor was very, very weakened at the time. if you keep saying that....it maight become true....

Originally posted by nicamarvin
if you keep saying that....it maight become true.... sadly, I think rage is truly delusional enough to believe some of the garbage he spews

Originally posted by Starscream M
stop pulling crap outta your behind

it was a very powerful godblast...thor looked perfectly fine.
Originally posted by nicamarvin
if you keep saying that....it maight become true....
Originally posted by Starscream M
sadly, I think rage is truly delusional enough to believe some of the garbage he spews

Pay attention as I'll only do this once.

That malady that struck left Thor weaker than before. Even after it had passed.

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/AWeakness.jpg

His even stated that it's left him far weaker than before.

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/AWeakness2.jpg

That incident with Juggernaut? It's the worst the Loki induced weakness had gotten as I recall.

In a few days however, you'll guys we'll act as if we never had this little lesson.

Originally posted by KillAll
thor stated (making it fact) that the nausea had left his limbs before the god blast, narration also takes it a step farther saying it was the same blast that gave a celestial pause and caused galactus to flee.

Look at my post above for the first part.

It was the same blast yes. Thor used the God Blast in all three instances. Was it on the same level of power or intensity? Of course not. You have to be an idiot to believe that's the case.

Originally posted by KillAll
juggernaut wasnt even intent on fighting thor, and still was beating him up even with the new warriors distracting juggernaut. he did little more than play around with him.

So you didn't actually read Thor #412 and #413 did you? Do you want me to post the scans for you?

Originally posted by KillAll
thor has stated that juggernaut cant be beaten by himself (8th day, although juggernaut wasnt really any more powerful there)... any other thing is speculation.

The Juggernaut cannot be beaten by himself? Okay.

Hahaha. This delusion you Juggernaut fans have in regards to that scene is hilarious. Thor stated that the Juggernaut was significantly more powerful than before. The Juggernaut agreed.

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsJuggernaut3.jpg

It's pretty funny and ironic how in the first part of your post you claim that since Thor stated so and so, it's a fact then go on to ignore Juggernaut's own claims. Unless you haven't read the issue in question and are just ignorant.

Yea, so I'm going to crush nicamarvin and co's delusions this weekend if I have the time.

Originally posted by Galan007
Sonics, perhaps?


Does Ultron has sonics in his array?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yea, so I'm going to crush nicamarvin and co's delusions this weekend if I have the time. Dude I Solo you Before and I will Own you yet Again.....

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Look at my post above for the first part.

It was the same blast yes. Thor used the God Blast in all three instances. Was it on the same level of power or intensity? Of course not. You have to be an idiot to believe that's the case.



So you didn't actually read Thor #412 and #413 did you? Do you want me to post the scans for you?



The Juggernaut cannot be beaten by himself? Okay.

Hahaha. This delusion you Juggernaut fans have in regards to that scene is hilarious. Thor stated that the Juggernaut was significantly more powerful than before. The Juggernaut agreed.

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsJuggernaut3.jpg

It's pretty funny and ironic how in the first part of your post you claim that since Thor stated so and so, it's a fact then go on to ignore Juggernaut's own claims. Unless you haven't read the issue in question and are just ignorant.


juggernaut has ALWAYS grown or sharnk in accordance to how much power he was funneling. he looked completely normal. and i think juggernauts statement was in reference to his motivations to get somewhere, as in something was making him WANT to march through any man or thing to get there, not in accordance with his actual power levels

trion juggernaut was an amped juggernaut, the man times juggernaut lost power and shrank to normal sizes was a non amped juggernaut, 8th day was his usual self, only thinking different.

i'm also one of those ones that think warrior madness thor is his usual self also, just not holding back.

Originally posted by KillAll
juggernaut has ALWAYS grown or sharnk in accordance to how much power he was funneling. he looked completely normal. and i think juggernauts statement was in reference to his motivations to get somewhere, as in something was making him WANT to march through any man or thing to get there, not in accordance with his actual power levels

trion juggernaut was an amped juggernaut, the man times juggernaut lost power and shrank to normal sizes was a non amped juggernaut, 8th day was his usual self, only thinking different.

i'm also one of those ones that think warrior madness thor is his usual self also, just not holding back.

Who the **** is talking about growing or shrinking at all? I don't care what size he was or what height he was at. Juggernaut was severely amped above his Classic levels, and he agreed. What's there to discuss?

Your delusional.

Warrior Madness or Berserker Rage Thor is just a normal that's not holding back outside of #502.

Originally posted by nicamarvin
Dude I Solo you Before and I will Own you yet Again.....

Originally posted by nicamarvin
Dude I Solo you Before and I will Own you yet Again.....

Solo me before and will do so agian? Are you implying that you drugged and raped me and are planning to do so again?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Solo me before and will do so agian? Are you implying that you drugged and raped me and are planning to do so again? in a Asexual Maner....

Originally posted by Bentley
Juggs can damage his internal circuitry (maybe), Ultron may be able to use encephalo ray against Juggs if he can get around the skullcap/helmet. I'm going with the latter

Originally posted by Bentley
Does Ultron has sonics in his array? Dude he probably has a plastic batman leg in his array.It's his greatest weapon Originally posted by nicamarvin
in a Asexual Maner.... You mean with a tree?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Who the **** is talking about growing or shrinking at all? I don't care what size he was or what height he was at. Juggernaut was severely amped above his Classic levels, and he agreed. What's there to discuss?

Your delusional.

Warrior Madness or Berserker Rage Thor is just a normal that's not holding back outside of #502.


juggernaut said something to the affect of "somethings making me that way, i have to be somewhere" or something similar, and kept refering to a ringing in his head. he wasnt amped at all. when juggernauts power grows, so does his body. fact... you are delusional, 8th day was a normal juggernaut with a different mind state.

Originally posted by nicamarvin
Dude I Solo you Before and I will Own you yet Again..... It's true. Can't wait till you turn it up on this fool.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Solo me before and will do so agian? Are you implying that you drugged and raped me and are planning to do so again? There were no drugs or rape involved, let's be honest, you wanted it.

Originally posted by Mindset
There were no drugs or rape involved, let's be honest, you wanted it. Blanket want some of that Too....

Now I'm quite sure encephalo ray is standard equipment for Ultron. I assume Cain's helmet cannot be magnetized, right?

Originally posted by Bentley
Now I'm quite sure encephalo ray is standard equipment for Ultron. I assume Cain's helmet cannot be magnetized, right?

Nope. In What if : Professor X had become the Juggernaut, Magneto tried but he couldn't control the "metal" Jugz's armor is made of.

Originally posted by Bentley
Now I'm quite sure encephalo ray is standard equipment for Ultron. I assume Cain's helmet cannot be magnetized, right? Ultron will just knock it off so long as his internal circuitry doesn't get smashed to bits by Juggernaut.

I'm undecided on which occurrence is more likely to happen first.

Originally posted by zopzop
Nope. In What if : Professor X had become the Juggernaut, Magneto tried but he couldn't control the "metal" Jugz's armor is made of.

Non cannon, but I would believe it to be the case for canon Juggs anyways.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Ultron will just knock it off so long as his internal circuitry doesn't get smashed to bits by Juggernaut.

I'm undecided on which occurrence is more likely to happen first.

Most primary adamantium Ultrons have resisted Thor's hammer and he regenerates. IMO Juggs should eventually overpower his regeneration and the forcefield which protects his inner components though.

When primary adamantium ultron was defeated it was because Hank pym had vibranium Whig disrupts metal....

Class juggernaught vs primary ultron...
Well if ultron gets the helmet off and uses his encelapho beam... That could work

Or if we say classic jugs means jugs with magic then jugs wins (before mephisto taking it from him or whatever)

What kind of thing has he done with magic?

I forget because it was a while back. But I'm sure someone else here remembers. I just remember it being impressive a the time I read it

I remembered the time he opened a dimensional portal, pretty useful whenever people say "bfr Juggs" but I don't recall any other ability in particular.

^ He once shot force bubbles.

Also, Ultron from Secret Wars was primary adamantium. Savage Hulk actually dented him enough for Wasp to get in there and mess him up. Although... Juggernaut doesn't have Wasp to take him out before Ultron manages to get that helmet off...

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ He once shot force bubbles.

Also, Ultron from Secret Wars was primary adamantium. Savage Hulk actually dented him enough for Wasp to get in there and mess him up. Although... Juggernaut doesn't have Wasp to take him out before Ultron manages to get that helmet off...


I'd say it depends on which Ultron we talk about, there were several adamantium versions which got damaged by separating the joints or smashing them against one another; there are others against which trying the same tactic has been impossible.

Did primary and secondary adamantium exist already during the Secret Wars? I just know the retcon exists, I don't know many things about it.

Originally posted by Bentley
What kind of thing has he done with magic? http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_juggs_strange1.jpg http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/th_juggs_strange2.jpg

= the only time (and likely the last time) Juggy has used true, "cosmos-ruling" ( ) magic.

Originally posted by Bentley
I'd say it depends on which Ultron we talk about, there were several adamantium versions which got damaged by separating the joints or smashing them against one another; there are others against which trying the same tactic has been impossible.Don't remember any primary adamantium Ultron ever be damaged in that manner. Originally posted by Bentley
Did primary and secondary adamantium exist already during the Secret Wars? I just know the retcon exists, I don't know many things about it. The retcon never applied to Secret Wars. And it's far more limited than this KMC myth makes it out to be. That's just Wolverine fanboys trying to make Wolverine more special in one of the most insignificantly tangential ways I have ever witnessed.

Is there any statement about the actual retcon at all? I suppose they talk mostly about the time Hulk destroyed adamantium.

When did Hulk "destroy" Adamantium?

Originally posted by Bentley
Is there any statement about the actual retcon at all? I suppose they talk mostly about the time Hulk destroyed adamantium. There is no statement. They took a statement from Ultron Unlimited where it's revealed that the first Ultron they destroy through teamwork wasn't actually adamantium, and Ironman's statement where he doesn't believe that so much adamantium could exist anyway and some other random and ambiguous statement from the past...

... and assume that every appearance of adamantium -- excepting Wolverine and Wolverine-related characters of course, and Doc Ock, for some reason??? -- must have been secondary adamantium. Even the very first one from Avengers #66...

... yeah, I don't know how that last assumption managed to pass muster either.

I see, that's pretty much a nonsensical myth if they only pick Iron-man's passing statement as some kind of retcon. It wouldn't be a retcon at all actually.

There aren't that many characters that would be affected if adamantium could be bent or marked, Ultron, having a molecular arranger would be able to survive superficial manipulations. You may be right about it being a Wolverine related myth. I can vouch for Ultron's showings depending on which version of Ultron we are discussing and not so much about the adamantium grade.

Depends on which version of Juggernaut.

Thunderbolts juggernaut or whoever the hell is running around these days would get ripped to pieces.

Originally posted by Bentley
Is there any statement about the actual retcon at all? I suppose they talk mostly about the time Hulk destroyed adamantium. There's never been an actual retcon like at all.

It's exactly what ODG said.

Also, I can't see Juggs doing anything to Ultron. Ultron however, I can see actually hurting Juggs, along with the whole beam thing.

Ultron fires the E-ray through the eye holes of the helmet

Ultron a true match for Juggernaut?

With Jug's full helmet ON?



Am I missing something?

Nice attempt at low balling

Originally posted by TheMagicPillow
They eventually realize that they can't hurt each other and have to resort to a tennis match.
Ultron destroys him at tennis.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider



Ultron a true match for Juggernaut?

With Jug's full helmet ON?



Am I missing something?
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HIKPPpov-I4/TjeR5WPc6DI/AAAAAAAABZQ/WLfL_rYDXCY/s1600/FF_3310001.jpg

That's what I was missing, then.

Thanks, Branlor.

Got one more for you, then, before going with Ultron's defeats at the hands of Sentry, Hulk, and Wasp:

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
That's what I was missing, then.

Thanks, Branlor. Yeah, they kept showing dreams in "Dreamquest" when Aron captured the F4.

They did a lot of random shit in F4 comics that weren't canon. The best among them was when Doom was killing everyone including Hulk and Dormammu

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Yeah, they kept showing dreams in "Dreamquest" when Aron captured the F4.

They did a lot of random shit in F4 comics that weren't canon. The best among them was when Doom was killing everyone including Hulk and Dormammu

I must read this.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Got one more for you, then, before going with Ultron's defeats at the hands of Sentry, Hulk, and Wasp: Just an Ultron robot

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I must read this. Originally posted by Branlor Swift
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/th_FF330_11.jpg

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/th_FF330_15.jpg

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/th_FF330_16.jpg

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/th_FF330_21.jpg

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/th_FF330_20.jpg

Doom kills everyone including Hulk and Dorm:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/FF330_27.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/FF330_29.jpg

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/FF331_29.jpg

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Just an Ultron robot




You're not making sense.

Or, maybe you're making sense and I don't realize that you are because I don't know what story that's from.


Ultron has never been anything EXCEPT a robot, as far as I know.


If you're telling me there are different Ultrons, what does this one do or not do, what special feature did it have or not have, that makes it less formidable than whatever one you're thinking of for this thread?

Originally posted by bluewaterrider


You're not making sense.

Or, maybe you're making sense and I don't realize that you are because I don't know what story that's from.


Ultron has never been anything EXCEPT a robot, as far as I know.


If you're telling me there are different Ultrons, what does this one do or not do, what special feature did it have or not have, that makes it less formidable than whatever one you're thinking of for this thread? Ultron has tons of weak little Ultrons in some appearances.

In that appearance, I don't think the real Ultron appeared at all. Just his army of Ultrons.

There's only been one real Ultron with adamantium. The rest of been secondary, and other random metals. And they are his "minions"

Think of it like a Doombot.

"So that the rest of the world...can blow up!"

That is Shakespearean quality story telling.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift


There's only been one real Ultron with adamantium. The rest of been secondary, and other random metals.




Ah, I see.

So the "Lady Ultron" that Sentry fought was some other metal, too, even as She-Hulk's may have been?

In which case the only confirmed stoppages of adamantium Ultron in memory for me are those Hulk, Torch, and Wasp managed in Secret Wars I.



mmm ...


Still not seeing an Ultron win here.
I'll think it over a bit more, though.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Ah, I see.

So the "Lady Ultron" that Sentry fought was some other metal, too, even as She-Hulk's may have been?

In which case the only confirmed stoppages of adamantium Ultron in memory for me are those Hulk, Torch, and Wasp managed in Secret Wars I.

mmm ...

Still not seeing an Ultron win here.
I'll think it over a bit more, though.
Extremis Ultron was made from the Extremis in Stark

Ultrons Tp and E-ray could both drop Juggy

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Ah, I see.

So the "Lady Ultron" that Sentry fought was some other metal, too, even as She-Hulk's may have been?

In which case the only confirmed stoppages of adamantium Ultron in memory for me are those Hulk, Torch, and Wasp managed in Secret Wars I.



mmm ...


Still not seeing an Ultron win here.
I'll think it over a bit more, though. That was the real Ultron, it was just Stark Tech. The Ultron Shulk beat wasn't the real Ultron. Just an Ult-Bot if you will.

Galactus made Ultron look like a fool. The arc with the 'adamantium retcons' was where Pym beat Adamantium Ultron to death with artic vibranium.
He's lost before, but most times, it's outside of Juggs ability to replicate.

It was revealed in Conquest that Ultron can reassemble from having been inside of a star blowing up. Although it was never shown what metal he was made from then. But he was extremely powerful in that arc.

Ultron recently one shotted Thor and a bunch of Avengers as well. I doubt Juggs would laugh off a shot like that.

Neither one can easily harm the other. However, Juggs is physically stronger than Ultron. Thus he will be able to hold and constrain Ultron (while keeping Ultron off of his helmet).

Juggernaut wins by submission.

Originally posted by Magnon
Neither one can easily harm the other. However, Juggs is physically stronger than Ultron. Thus he will be able to hold and constrain Ultron (while keeping Ultron off of his helmet).

Juggernaut wins by submission.
Except Ultron can...

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Except Ultron can...

I don't agree. Juggernaut's helmet will protect him from Ultron's encephalo beam, while his invulnerability will protect him from any other type of energy / disintegration / physical attack Ultron can produce.

Juggernaut's durability is way way better than e.g. Thor's or Hulk's.

Far far weaker characters have knocked the helmet off