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Battle takes place in an abandoned city. Characters are bloodlusted and fighting to the death.

Who wins?

couldnt emma just mindrape them..?

Emma should mindrape.

Ms. Marvel would go down I know that much.

Storm is iffy she has some instances of resisting mind control and probing but really should go down since she's been taken out by other forms of telepathy and all Emma needs to do is shove her ass on the astral plane and leave her there (See the Shadow King toying with her in Worlds Apart).

Just this year she was taken out by either Chimera or Lady M or Martinque not really sure who but it doesn't matter all are psychic, she's been duped by the Agent of Atlas Spaceman and messed about by the Shadow King.

Regardless how you look at it, Storm isn't taking down Rogue running interference and Emma switching her off.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Emma should mindrape.

Ms. Marvel would go down I know that much.

Storm is iffy she has some instances of resisting mind control and probing but really should go down since she's been taken out by other forms of telepathy and all Emma needs to do is shove her ass on the astral plane and leave her there (See the Shadow King toying with her in Worlds Apart).

Just this year she was taken out by either Chimera or Lady M or Martinque not really sure who but it doesn't matter all are psychic, she's been duped by the Agent of Atlas Spaceman and messed about by the Shadow King.

Regardless how you look at it, Storm isn't taking down Rogue running interference and Emma switching her off.

Given the rivalries between the women involved, Storm is likely going to face off against Emma Frost, whilst Ms Marvel takes on Rogues.

Emma cant use her psionic abilities once in diamond form and to use her tp she leaves herself in a vulnerable human state. Given the long range energy abilities of both Ms Marvel and Storm, Emma could not afford to not be in diamond form. Both Ms Marvel and Storm have enough experience to know you take out the telepath first. An energy bolt in Emmas direction will either take her out instantly or could be a ploy to force her into diamond state at which points its all over. Shes a shiny brick for Storm to play with.

Ms Marvel against Rogue would be interesting. Ms Marvel is now faster and more powerful than her previous incarnation whose powers Rogue possess. Ms Marvel can fly at supersonic speeds, Classic Rogue subsonic speeds. As shown during Secret Invasion Ms Marvels energy powers are potent enough to kill War Skrulls possessing a high level of durability. Classic Rogue is highly durable but not to the extent of even Thing or Colossus. She could be hurt by Ms Marvels energies. She has been shown to be vulnerable to Storms high yield lightning.

I give the match to Storm and Ms Marvel.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Given the rivalries between the women involved, Storm is likely going to face off against Emma Frost, whilst Ms Marvel takes on Rogues.



In a comic book yes, but in a forum battle, Emma doesn't have to be a genius to understand that she can take about some odd seconds to take Marvel out and then have her and Rogue take on Storm.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Given the rivalries between the women involved, Storm is likely going to face off against Emma Frost, whilst Ms Marvel takes on Rogues.

Emma cant use her psionic abilities once in diamond form and to use her tp she leaves herself in a vulnerable human state. Given the long range energy abilities of both Ms Marvel and Storm, Emma could not afford to not be in diamond form. Both Ms Marvel and Storm have enough experience to know you take out the telepath first. An energy bolt in Emmas direction will either take her out instantly or could be a ploy to force her into diamond state at which points its all over. Shes a shiny brick for Storm to play with.

Ms Marvel against Rogue would be interesting. Ms Marvel is now faster and more powerful than her previous incarnation whose powers Rogue possess. Ms Marvel can fly at supersonic speeds, Classic Rogue subsonic speeds. As shown during Secret Invasion Ms Marvels energy powers are potent enough to kill War Skrulls possessing a high level of durability. Classic Rogue is highly durable but not to the extent of even Thing or Colossus. She could be hurt by Ms Marvels energies. She has been shown to be vulnerable to Storms high yield lightning.

I give the match to Storm and Ms Marvel.

What makes Emma unable to attack both telepathically at the same time? Her powers are deployed quicker then the other two and Ms. Marvel should go down. Storm also really should go down there is absolutely nothing stopping Emma from leaving her on the Astral Plane but if you want to give Ororo the benefit of the doubt Rogue should solidify the win for team 2.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
In a comic book yes, but in a forum battle, Emma doesn't have to be a genius to understand that she can take about some odd seconds to take Marvel out and then have her and Rogue take on Storm.

Or that.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
In a comic book yes, but in a forum battle, Emma doesn't have to be a genius to understand that she can take about some odd seconds to take Marvel out and then have her and Rogue take on Storm.

The characters are acting within character as per forum rules. Which is why i put forward that scenario. However it was just a theoretical way for Team 1 to win, all scenarios put forward are theoretical.

Emma Frost has human reaction times so she would not be attacking before Ms Marvel could photon fry her ass with her superhuman speed and reactions.

And as aforementioned it doesnt take a genius for team 1 to know that you take out the telepaths first. A strategy that is referred to consistently in Marvel publications.

T 1 wins

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The characters are acting within character as per forum rules. Which is why i put forward that scenario. However it was just a theoretical way for Team 1 to win, all scenarios put forward are theoretical.

Emma Frost has human reaction times so she would not be attacking before Ms Marvel could photon fry her ass with her superhuman speed and reactions.

And as aforementioned it doesnt take a genius for team 1 to know that you take out the telepaths first. A strategy that is referred to consistently in Marvel publications.

In character doesn't mean that they must fight by the way a comic plot would have them fight.

You think Marvel is faster than Emma's thought process? Only takes a moment to think about shutting her down.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
What makes Emma unable to attack both telepathically at the same time? Her powers are deployed quicker then the other two and Ms. Marvel should go down. Storm also really should go down there is absolutely nothing stopping Emma from leaving her on the Astral Plane but if you want to give Ororo the benefit of the doubt Rogue should solidify the win for team 2.

He powers are not deployed quicker than the other two. Thats where your proposal falls apart. Emma has human reaction time. Thats her downfall. Ms Marvel could quite easily take her her out before she could psi blast team 1.

Further more she would have to think about what action she was going to take, before willing a psi blast. Storms powers are also psi operated and lightning travels faster than the speed of thought which i believe on these forums is equated to the speed of sound. I'll have to check up on that. Plus in all of their confrontations since the first one, Storm has been able to resist and act in the midst of Emma psionically attacking her. Referring to what other psi's have done to Storm when we have instances of interactions between Storm and Emma is a redundant exercise.

So as aforementioned with Emma facing two long range energy manipulators with at least one certainly being able to attack before she can employ her powers, Emma will be forced into diamond form. In such a state, she is no trouble for Storm to take out.

Once again, Rogue has shown shes vulnerable to lightning, Rogue also needs to breathe, two weaknesses Storm can use against her.

Ms Marvel is stronger than both Rogue and Emma, shes faster than Rogue and her energy powers could no doubt hurt Rogue.

Ms Marvel would win the match for Team 1 being able to react faster than Emma and Rogue and being able to fly considerably faster than Rogue. Photon blast to Emma, either killing her outright, injuring her so shes too weak or unable to concentrate enough to put up a good psi attack before shes finished off, or forcing her into diamond form.

Storm could take out Emma in diamond form by holding her in place by winds and using projectiles fashioned from the city environment to smash her to pieces.


Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Or that.

"That", is a weak strategy.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
In character doesn't mean that they must fight by the way a comic plot would have them fight.

Did you not see the subsequent lines where i put emphasis on the fact that it was just a theoretical strategy, just like yours and anyone elses. If you dont think it would play out like that then fine, argue your point thats what this forums for

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
You think Marvel is faster than Emma's thought process? Only takes a moment to think about shutting her down.

Emma has human reaction time. She would see the threat, decide on a plan of action and then take that action. Just to reiterate, she is human. Ms Marvel has superhuman senses, superhuman reaction time and superhuman speed. Before Emma has employed her psi powers she'll be cremated by a photon blast.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Storms powers are also psi operated and lightning travels faster than the speed of thought which i believe on these forums is equated to the speed of sound. I'll have to check up on that.

Looks like i grossly over-estimated the speed of thought. As per forum rules its 30 metres per second. The speed of sound is at least 340 metres per second.

With that in mind, Storm could no doubt attack Emma before Emma could attack her. As aforementioned, Storm has been shown able to to resist and act(even summoning lightning whilst being psionically attacked by Emma)

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Looks like i grossly over-estimated the speed of thought. As per forum rules its 30 metres per second. The speed of sound is at least 340 metres per second.

With that in mind, Storm could no doubt attack Emma before Emma could attack her. As aforementioned, Storm has been shown able to to resist and act(even summoning lightning whilst being psionically attacked by Emma)

Lightning travels at speeds of up to 60,000 metres pers second or 130,000 mph.

http://www.ucar.edu/communications/factsheets/Lightning.html

Both Ms Marvel and Storm could attack Emma before she could attack either of them.

Rogue could attack Storm before Storm could react due to Rogues superhuman reactions, however Ms Marvel has greater speed and reaction than Rogue and could no doubt take care of Rogue whilst Storm handles Emma as i said originally.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
He powers are not deployed quicker than the other two. Thats where your proposal falls apart. Emma has human reaction time. Thats her downfall. Ms Marvel could quite easily take her her out before she could psi blast team 1.

1.) Current Ms. Marvel has not demonstrated the sufficient speed to blitz Emma the same way your average DC character would due to her many showings where she's been tagged by human street levelers thanks to Bendis.

2.) Classic Rogue is just as fast to run interference.

3.) Telepath is thought and action in unison. Ms. Marvel and Storm require to think before action occurs.




Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Lightning travels at speeds of up to 60,000 metres pers second or 130,000 mph.

http://www.ucar.edu/communications/factsheets/Lightning.html

Both Ms Marvel and Storm could attack Emma before she could attack either of them.

Rogue could attack Storm before Storm could react due to Rogues superhuman reactions, however Ms Marvel has greater speed and reaction than Rogue and could no doubt take care of Rogue whilst Storm handles Emma as i said originally.

Incorrect otherwise there would be a major lag whenever Xavier and Lilandra speak to each other.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=3774&pg=1

As for Storm, she has to think. Emma's thought is action.



Psionic is a very broad term.

First confrontation - Mind Blast end of story.

Second confrontation was not a mind blast.

Third confrontation - Mind controlled Emma was trying to modify Storms behaviour.

In the scenario you painted Emma is going for the kill not trying to make Storm her puppet.

Emma is a greater telepath then a lot of those other psis and Storm is not a Claramazon when written by anyone other then Claremont.




It wouldn't come to that, and Ms. Marvel is not faster then Classic Rogue since they both seemed to be quite fairly matched back in the day. If you want to say Current Ms. Marvel is a lot faster then before well, she's been tagged by villains with human reflexes so her average showings would mean her combat speed isn't to the point where she can't get tagged.




Wouldn't come to this, and FYI Storm has no proof that she could smash Emma to pieces without anything but a diamond projectile carefully aimed at Emma's molecular flaw.

What this battle comes down to is who attacks first. I believe that telepathy is deployed faster then either of these two. Depending on who you thinks attacks first wins...so that's what it comes down to. All depends on who you believe attacks first.

I would also argue that telepaths have been shown to process entire lifetimes of information instantaneously. In fact it's been stated twice that 1 second real time is like a life time to telepaths on the astral plane. Which would mean that they above normal thought processing.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
1.) Current Ms. Marvel has not demonstrated the sufficient speed to blitz Emma the same way your average DC character would due to her many showings where she's been tagged by human street levelers thanks to Bendis.

Incorrect. For a start as per forum rules we as debators are supposed to overlook PIS. Current Ms Marvel has been shown to have speed that would easily allow her to speed blitz as per a DC character:

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/MsMarvel/MsMarvel03p04and05.jpg

Here you can see Ms Marvel flying through Earths atmosphere into orbit. The speed needed to reach orbit is 17, 478 mph:

http://exploration.grc.nasa.gov/education/rocket/rktrflght.html

Just to reiterate, you are incorrect.



Originally posted by ExodusCloak
2.) Classic Rogue is just as fast to run interference.

Classic Rogue flies at subsonic speeds:

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6372/page031.th.jpg

Level 3 which peaks at 700 mph.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
3.) Telepath is thought and action in unison. Ms. Marvel and Storm require to think before action occurs.

So are you saying that a telepath doesnt need to consciously think about and decide on what course of action they want to take before taking it? Do you think a telepath doesnt have to reason and that their power does everything for them without them having a say in the matter? Are you seriously going to argue that? I think youre getting confused by the term thought and action are one and what that entails. With telepaths, because their thoughts are their power, once they've assessed a situation and decided on a plan of action, their thought signal to act is one and the same as their attack. THAT is what it means. So my point still stands and your point is still redundant.

Emma with her very human reactions is still going to have to register whats going on, weigh up her options and then take a plan of action. Once she does decide her thought will be one with her attack because she is a psionic, however her human reaction times lets her down because Ms Marvel with her superhuman reaction time and ability to fly at speeds approaching 18,000 mph would long have taken her out.






Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Incorrect otherwise there would be a major lag whenever Xavier and Lilandra speak to each other.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=3774&pg=1

Not at all because when speaking to Lilandra in space, Professor X generally used Cerebro. His powers were therefore amped, so this was a poor example.

My point still stands. As per forum rules the speed of thought is recognised here as 30 metres per second. Not good enough.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
As for Storm, she has to think. Emma's thought is action.

As i explained to you above you are confused. Emma has to think to. Its just that when she does decide on a plan of action Emmas thought is her action. However Storms powers as stated are psionically operated as well, when she decides on a plan of action, her thoughts will energy patterns to result in whatever effect shes going for. So admittedly there would be some latency. However when you look at how much faster lightning is(60, 000 metres per second) over psi energy (30 metres per second), plus you factor in Storms arguably slightly greater reaction time being a far better hand to hand fighter than Emma it really doesnt matter unless they were in close quarters.


Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Psionic is a very broad term.

First confrontation - Mind Blast end of story.

Second confrontation was not a mind blast.

Third confrontation - Mind controlled Emma was trying to modify Storms behaviour.

In the scenario you painted Emma is going for the kill not trying to make Storm her puppet.

Emma is a greater telepath then a lot of those other psis and Storm is not a Claramazon when written by anyone other then Claremont.

Agreed. And yet Storms attacks are faster, by on panel showings shes a far greater hand to hand fighter and athlete than Emma so it would stand to reason she has slightly greater reaction time than her. In close quarters its a toss up who would be able to hit who first between Storm and Emma, but the exponentially faster attack and her debatably faster reaction times makes Storm the likely winner.



Originally posted by ExodusCloak
It wouldn't come to that, and Ms. Marvel is not faster then Classic Rogue since they both seemed to be quite fairly matched back in the day. If you want to say Current Ms. Marvel is a lot faster then before well, she's been tagged by villains with human reflexes so her average showings would mean her combat speed isn't to the point where she can't get tagged.

What youre forgetting is that the difference between the original Ms Marvel and the current Ms Marvel is Brood genetic alteration to make her Binary. Binary burnt out her powers saving a star, this didnt completely do away with her cosmic powers, it just severly weakened them. That is she still has energy manipulation and absorption powers, as well as dramatically greater superhuman speed as i've proven.

Given her proven and demonstrated abilities let me once again reiterate that Plot Induced Stupidity does not factor into forum debates where characters are fighting to the fullest of their capabilities.



Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Wouldn't come to this, and FYI Storm has no proof that she could smash Emma to pieces without anything but a diamond projectile carefully aimed at Emma's molecular flaw.

No doubt Storm could smash Emma with steel projectiles if flimsy pieces of straw can pierce concrete when carried by hurricane winds both real world and in comics. However if you insist on dismissing that when it stands to reason lets look at another flaw of Emmas diamond form:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elements_by_melting_point

The melting point of diamond is 3820 kelvin.

The temperature of lightning can easily reach up to 30, 000 k:

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/DavidFriedman.shtml

If she cant smash the b*tch she can sure as hell melt her

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
What this battle comes down to is who attacks first. I believe that telepathy is deployed faster then either of these two. Depending on who you thinks attacks first wins...so that's what it comes down to. All depends on who you believe attacks first.

If the battle starts off in close quarters lets say 5 to 30 metres apart then Emma and Rogue have more chance of winning. Not overall, but more than they would otherwise due to Emmas decided plan of action being one and the same as her attack(action equals thought) and the forum rules pertaning to the speed of thought being 30 metres per second.

However with the common attack strategy of taking out the telepath first and with Ms Marvel having superhuman speed and reactions dramatically in excess of the others involved theres no reason why she cant cut loose with a wide reaching photon blast to incinerate Emma and at least stun Rogue, leaving both Storm and Ms Marvel free to completely decimate the southern belle.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I would also argue that telepaths have been shown to process entire lifetimes of information instantaneously. In fact it's been stated twice that 1 second real time is like a life time to telepaths on the astral plane. Which would mean that they above normal thought processing.

Like a lifetime on the astral plane? Unless Emma meditating on the astral plane can somehow be turned into a winning strategy then your reference is completely irrelevant. The astral plane is a different plane of reality that telepaths and mystics can access through the mind and its connected to the thoughts of the living. As is common knowledge different planes of reality have different connections with time so time in one reality may be experienced at a faster or slower rate in another. (Please reference Ilyana and Limbo)

With that in mind saying real time is like a life time on the astral plane does not prove that telepaths have superhuman or even above normal reaction times and processing. Once again you got confused by the meaning and relevance of on panel occurences and statements. No matter.

Just to reiterate, Ms Marvel wins the match for team 1 because of her superior speed and superhuman reaction time. She initiates the assault killing Emma and stunning Rogue with a wide range high yield photon blast, giving time for Storm to back up and bring her weather powers into play. She could either work the atmosphere to choke Rogue to death whilst bombarding her with lightining. Or Ms Marvel and Storm could pair up and blow Rogue apart with a lightning/photon combo.

Game over.

First and foremost, Rogue has been overloaded by Storm already in Rogue's most unexpected way.

Rogue is not tough enough to battle a tornado which easily tossed her away.

Storm has already beaten Emma Frost twice.

Storm can solo them both especially if we're talking about Rogue's current powers.

Ms Marvel can solo the battle too.


And before i forget, they will not be able to breathe unless Storm allows it.

http://img109.imageshack.us/f/lungcontrol.jpg/

Storm electrifies Emma ftw.

This debate is becoming non-sensical. If the question is who has better reaction times from a normal relaxed state, it's probably Ms Marvel and she's unlikely to blitz from the get go while in character. I think they all have a measure of superhuman reaction time however.

Telepahtic power travels at unmeasurable speeds, for all intents and purposes it is instantaneous, but that isn't the same as initial reaction speed. Telepathic time can also expand a subject's time perception so that days worth of information exchange in real time can go by in seconds of real time, but that still doesnt mean telepaths necessarily have initial reaction times, before they activate their powers, on par with this speed of information processing.

The fight itself could go either way.

This is practically Emma vs Storm.

Emma.

Not Emma nor Rogue is fast enough to dodge a lightning a strike

Originally posted by RLAAMJR.
Not Emma nor Rogue is fast enough to dodge a lightning a strike

they're faster than storm though. storm still has to think it and aim it.

mindrape x 2

emma and rogue

Originally posted by -Pr-
they're faster than storm though. storm still has to think it and aim it.

Actually I recall a scene where it stated Storm's powers carried out her will before a conscious thought.

Originally posted by Konton
Actually I recall a scene where it stated Storm's powers carried out her will before a conscious thought.

before a concious thought? how is that even possible?

or do you mean the "with barely a conscious thought" time?

i think he means they follow intense emotions, you don't have to try and get mad, you just kinda are *shrugs*

Originally posted by -Pr-
before a concious thought? how is that even possible?

or do you mean the "with barely a conscious thought" time?

I think you have the instance I remember in mind.

Emma and Rogue are not faster than lightning. Emma has been beaten by Storm already



This is what you are all talking about:





Storm's powers generate in less than a conscious thought.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Did you not see the subsequent lines where i put emphasis on the fact that it was just a theoretical strategy, just like yours and anyone elses. If you dont think it would play out like that then fine, argue your point thats what this forums for

he did. thats when you pulled out some crap about how thats not how forum fights work

Emma and Rogue.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Incorrect. For a start as per forum rules we as debators are supposed to overlook PIS. Current Ms Marvel has been shown to have speed that would easily allow her to speed blitz as per a DC character:

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/Rewmac/Scans/MsMarvel/MsMarvel03p04and05.jpg

Here you can see Ms Marvel flying through Earths atmosphere into orbit. The speed needed to reach orbit is 17, 478 mph:

http://exploration.grc.nasa.gov/education/rocket/rktrflght.html

Just to reiterate, you are incorrect.





Classic Rogue flies at subsonic speeds:

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6372/page031.th.jpg

Level 3 which peaks at 700 mph.



So are you saying that a telepath doesnt need to consciously think about and decide on what course of action they want to take before taking it? Do you think a telepath doesnt have to reason and that their power does everything for them without them having a say in the matter? Are you seriously going to argue that? I think youre getting confused by the term thought and action are one and what that entails. With telepaths, because their thoughts are their power, once they've assessed a situation and decided on a plan of action, their thought signal to act is one and the same as their attack. THAT is what it means. So my point still stands and your point is still redundant.

Emma with her very human reactions is still going to have to register whats going on, weigh up her options and then take a plan of action. Once she does decide her thought will be one with her attack because she is a psionic, however her human reaction times lets her down because Ms Marvel with her superhuman reaction time and ability to fly at speeds approaching 18,000 mph would long have taken her out.








Not at all because when speaking to Lilandra in space, Professor X generally used Cerebro. His powers were therefore amped, so this was a poor example.

My point still stands. As per forum rules the speed of thought is recognised here as 30 metres per second. Not good enough.



As i explained to you above you are confused. Emma has to think to. Its just that when she does decide on a plan of action Emmas thought is her action. However Storms powers as stated are psionically operated as well, when she decides on a plan of action, her thoughts will energy patterns to result in whatever effect shes going for. So admittedly there would be some latency. However when you look at how much faster lightning is(60, 000 metres per second) over psi energy (30 metres per second), plus you factor in Storms arguably slightly greater reaction time being a far better hand to hand fighter than Emma it really doesnt matter unless they were in close quarters.




Agreed. And yet Storms attacks are faster, by on panel showings shes a far greater hand to hand fighter and athlete than Emma so it would stand to reason she has slightly greater reaction time than her. In close quarters its a toss up who would be able to hit who first between Storm and Emma, but the exponentially faster attack and her debatably faster reaction times makes Storm the likely winner.





What youre forgetting is that the difference between the original Ms Marvel and the current Ms Marvel is Brood genetic alteration to make her Binary. Binary burnt out her powers saving a star, this didnt completely do away with her cosmic powers, it just severly weakened them. That is she still has energy manipulation and absorption powers, as well as dramatically greater superhuman speed as i've proven.

Given her proven and demonstrated abilities let me once again reiterate that Plot Induced Stupidity does not factor into forum debates where characters are fighting to the fullest of their capabilities.





No doubt Storm could smash Emma with steel projectiles if flimsy pieces of straw can pierce concrete when carried by hurricane winds both real world and in comics. However if you insist on dismissing that when it stands to reason lets look at another flaw of Emmas diamond form:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elements_by_melting_point

The melting point of diamond is 3820 kelvin.

The temperature of lightning can easily reach up to 30, 000 k:

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/DavidFriedman.shtml

If she cant smash the b*tch she can sure as hell melt her



If the battle starts off in close quarters lets say 5 to 30 metres apart then Emma and Rogue have more chance of winning. Not overall, but more than they would otherwise due to Emmas decided plan of action being one and the same as her attack(action equals thought) and the forum rules pertaning to the speed of thought being 30 metres per second.

However with the common attack strategy of taking out the telepath first and with Ms Marvel having superhuman speed and reactions dramatically in excess of the others involved theres no reason why she cant cut loose with a wide reaching photon blast to incinerate Emma and at least stun Rogue, leaving both Storm and Ms Marvel free to completely decimate the southern belle.



Like a lifetime on the astral plane? Unless Emma meditating on the astral plane can somehow be turned into a winning strategy then your reference is completely irrelevant. The astral plane is a different plane of reality that telepaths and mystics can access through the mind and its connected to the thoughts of the living. As is common knowledge different planes of reality have different connections with time so time in one reality may be experienced at a faster or slower rate in another. (Please reference Ilyana and Limbo)

With that in mind saying real time is like a life time on the astral plane does not prove that telepaths have superhuman or even above normal reaction times and processing. Once again you got confused by the meaning and relevance of on panel occurences and statements. No matter.

Just to reiterate, Ms Marvel wins the match for team 1 because of her superior speed and superhuman reaction time. She initiates the assault killing Emma and stunning Rogue with a wide range high yield photon blast, giving time for Storm to back up and bring her weather powers into play. She could either work the atmosphere to choke Rogue to death whilst bombarding her with lightining. Or Ms Marvel and Storm could pair up and blow Rogue apart with a lightning/photon combo.

Game over.


Wow!",)

Thank you for ratiocinating the case well.