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1. Netural Ground.
2. Mephisto's Layer

Who wins, anything goes.

Just standard powersets.

mephisto weird in how you never know when he's throwing a fight. So i'll say he wins in hell, but loses on neutral ground.

i would say sould take but thanos currently has what he wanted so that wouldnt work

1.Thanos

2.Mephisto

Though it appeared Mephisto would only try to engage Thanos when he (thought) he had a working cosmic cube.

Meph on both

Thanos in both, Mephs regulary been beaten by far less.

Written properly, Mephisto would own Thanos.

Thanos

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Written properly, Mephisto would own Thanos. Meph is very powerful, but I don't see him ever getting the better of the mad titan.

Mephisto shud win in both.

Originally posted by Badabing
Thanos
What did you do with Bada and were there anal probes involved? Take me to your leader.

Mephisto on average.

Originally posted by Enyalus
What did you do with Bada and were there anal probes involved? Take me to your leader.

Standard fight? No plot device whereupon he's trying to ensnare some soul?

Normal setting, possible stalemate 5/10.

In Hell, Mephisto stomps 10/10.

I remember Black Panther dropping Mephisto.

i feel like mephisto wouldnt do to well outside of hell

he take it 10/10 in hell tho

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I remember Black Panther dropping Mephisto. Accounted for in neutral setting environment.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I remember Black Panther dropping Mephisto.

That doesn't mean much..BP is at least highfather level.
He deals with Surfer and Mephisto like they were nothing ....

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I remember Black Panther dropping Mephisto.

Did it have anything to do with BP putting him in an armbar?

punched him once, and then ripped his heart out.

Misphisto is more powerful then Thanos. Thanos is a low level skyfather Misphisto power level is around between an a skyfather/elder god level when he is not in his own realm.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Meph is very powerful, but I don't see him ever getting the better of the mad titan.
i could see him sometimes winning in his own realm

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I remember Black Panther dropping Mephisto. that was so full of pis

Originally posted by jalek moye
i could see him sometimes winning in his own realm Sometimes?

He should win the majority.

Originally posted by jalek moye
i could see him sometimes winning in his own realm I don't see Meph as being as powerful as Odin though even in his own realm.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't see Meph as being as powerful as Odin though even in his own realm. Mephisto was holding his own against Galactus in his realm

Originally posted by Priest
Mephisto was holding his own against Galactus in his realm Meph couldn't even phase Galactus. Thanos has launched him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't see Meph as being as powerful as Odin though even in his own realm.
Definitely not. Surfer was physically overpowering Mephisto in his own realm. Had him on his knees in what looked like a game of Mercy gone wrong.

Thanos would physically own him, too.

^ Scans or it didn't happen. uhuh

Preferably scans with context! durhulk

I'd like to see that as well...

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Scans or it didn't happen. uhuh

Preferably scans with context! durhulk

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_SS_vs_Meph1.jpg http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_SS_vs_Meph2.jpg http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_SS_vs_Meph3.jpg http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_SS_vs_Meph4.jpg

The first scan has nothing to do with the actual fight. I'm just showing that it was written by Stan Lee himself.

Is this a digital comic on Marvel now, or something?

Originally posted by Mindset
Is this a digital comic on Marvel now, or something?
No, the bottom thing is just the scanner's tag from where I downloaded it, or something.

It was a one-shot that preceded SS v3 in 1982.

Does info from 'What If's' count at all?

Originally posted by theICONiac
Does info from 'What If's' count at all?
Nah, lol.

Can't use 'em in debates because they're non-canon.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Nah, lol.

Can't use 'em in debates because they're non-canon.

Crappy! Because in one of the most recent (maybe the most recent? Haven't seen any since) issues Dr. Doom - with the waning power of the Beyonder stolen from Secret Wars 2 - needed the soul gem from the IG to enter Mephisto's realm and kick his ass to get his mother's soul back...

Thanos without the soul gem would be screwed...

Originally posted by theICONiac
Crappy! Because in one of the most recent (maybe the most recent? Haven't seen any since) issues Dr. Doom - with the waning power of the Beyonder stolen from Secret Wars 2 - needed the soul gem from the IG to enter Mephisto's realm and kick his ass to get his mother's soul back...

Yeah, but the IG in other universes (which is what What Ifs are) are weaker than in the mainstream 616 universe. For instance, the IG's power was all used up after a 400 year war against the Celestials. How the **** does that happen? lol


I loved that What If, though, man. Good reference.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Yeah, but the IG in other universes (which is what What Ifs are) are weaker than in the mainstream 616 universe. For instance, the IG's power was all used up after a 400 year war against the Celestials. How the **** does that happen? lol


I loved that What If, though, man. Good reference.

The IG's gems were 'cracked' (just as stupid, but whatever), thus ruined, and the Beyonders power was nearly used up because of his battles...

Just being anal

Here is what we need to prove in order to determine a winner in this battle:

What proof is there that Thanos can effect ANYTHING on the metaphysical plane? In Silver Surfer # 45 (vol 3 I think?) when Mephisto is attempting to purloin the IG from Thanos he tricks him into becoming 'one' with the universe. During this Mephisto attempts to steal the IG from a distracted Thanos. The gauntlet begins to choke him to Mephistos surprise. He muses ONLY something of a metaphysical nature can harm him.

So, if Thanos does not have a cosmic cube/IG/HOTU/proton pack can he defeat a 'ghost'?

Originally posted by theICONiac
So, if Thanos does not have a cosmic cube/IG/HOTU/proton pack can he defeat a 'ghost'?
Thanos has beaten Moondragon w/ Mind Gem on the astral plane.

Does that count as 'metaphysical'?


Thanos is also a master of black magic. And has been apparently for about 300 years.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Thanos has beaten Moondragon w/ Mind Gem on the astral plane.

Does that count as 'metaphysical'?


Thanos is also a master of black magic. And has been apparently for about 300 years.

Nope, I don't consider 'psionics' a metaphysical ability

But maybe you are on to something with the black magic thingie.

How proficient is he? Not to hijack this, but could he beat someone like Doc Strange on that front alone (since he would have more experience)?

Originally posted by theICONiac
How proficient is he? Not to hijack this, but could he beat someone like Doc Strange on that front alone (since he would have more experience)?
Doctor Strange said he couldn't beat him. But Dr. Strange has the feats and Thanos doesn't.

Originally posted by Enyalus
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_SS_vs_Meph1.jpg http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_SS_vs_Meph2.jpg http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_SS_vs_Meph3.jpg http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_SS_vs_Meph4.jpg

The first scan has nothing to do with the actual fight. I'm just showing that it was written by Stan Lee himself. It's clear Mephisto underestimated Surfer. But feeling threatened doesn't mean Surfer was manhandling him. Indeed, Surfer seems to admit that Mephisto is on a whole other level than he is. Based on feats, I think it's apparent that Mephisto is in another class.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It's clear Mephisto underestimated Surfer. But feeling threatened doesn't mean Surfer was manhandling him. Indeed, Surfer seems to admit that Mephisto is on a whole other level than he is. Based on feats, I think it's apparent that Mephisto is in another class.
Surfer physically overpowered Mephisto. In his own realm. Thanos is clearly physically superior to Surfer, so...

Originally posted by Enyalus
Surfer physically overpowered Mephisto. In his own realm. Thanos is clearly physically superior to Surfer, so...



Meh im not sure if that was a purely physical match up. In the background looked like there was a lot of swirling energy being generated by the two of them. I also find it a bit hard to believe that mephisto who supposedly cant be harmed thru physical means can be defeated e overcome through a game of mercy.

Naija, just nod your head, agree with me that Surfer is that good, and be done with it.

^ Sorry, but seriously, Mephisto truly is in another class. Sure, his need to ensnare noble souls and concomitant refusal to kill opponents makes him job sometimes, but based on feats, Mephisto takes this.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Naija, just nod your head, agree with me that Surfer is that good, and be done with it.



lol, my bad. Surfer IS indeed that good. Therefore the accurate assesment is that Surfer>Mephisto>Thanos. Surfer by default therefore must also be >Thanos which means that all the times he has lost to thanos were PIS.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Written properly, Mephisto would own Thanos.

Mephisto is probably one of the most jobbing villain in marvel. shouldn't he be skyfather level or something?

^ Other than Black Panther, aka TOAA's superior, I don't recall Mephisto jobbing all too often in an actual fight.

Wow, I come back here and my thread is still going.

Let's keep the debate going guys.

I think that Meth takes this because he seems to be Skyfather level at least.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Other than Black Panther, aka TOAA's superior, I don't recall Mephisto jobbing all too often in an actual fight.

So, he wasn't jobbing against surfer and surfer can overpower him in his realm? If that was a legit fight your convinced that Thanos couldn't do the same?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So, he wasn't jobbing against surfer and surfer can overpower him in his realm? If that was a legit fight your convinced that Thanos couldn't do the same?
It was repeatedly stated throughout the clashes between Mephisto and Surfer(by BOTH parties I believe) that Meph could kill Norrin with ease if he really wanted to, it's just that he wanted Surfer's soul rather than his life. So anytime Surfer foiled whatever plot was afoot and put up a significant level of resistance Meph would just bow out rather than waste time fighting. TBH, Meph nearly killed Surfer by accident one time just by focusing his rage against Norrin...
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/darthgoober/FM_1980_008_02.jpg
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/darthgoober/FM_1980_008_03.jpg
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/darthgoober/FM_1980_008_04.jpg

Of course this all WAS during the period when Surfer was being written as depowered...

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/DevilsReign5-2425.jpg

Darthgoober: That's exactly the type of explanation I was trying to convey.

Enyalus: That's an ok image. But it's got hammy lines. I prefer Mike Mignola's artwork and Roger Stern's script:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Mephisto02.jpg

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Enyalus: That's an ok image. But it's got hammy lines.
That's because I didn't scan it myself. uhuh

I prefer no one's artwork to Michael Turner's. And as for the dialogue...I thought he was going to say, "I am Darkseid!" at the end of his speech.

^ Michael Turner was awful.

Yeah. I said it. And no, let's not argue about this, because I hold John Romita Jr's artwork to be excellent and I know you don't. Back on topic:

Mephisto possible stalemate 5/10 neutral ground.

Mephisto stomps 10/10 inside his realm.

During mephistos fight with galactus in his realm they were wrecking galaxies. He definitely wins the battle there.

Originally posted by Enyalus
That's because I didn't scan it myself. uhuh

I prefer no one's artwork to Michael Turner's. And as for the dialogue...I thought he was going to say, "I am Darkseid!" at the end of his speech.

Meph is cool but he's not cool enough to avoid referring to himself as evil. Darkseid never calls himself evil.

Meph 9/10 or 8/10 overall.

Originally posted by Allankles
Meph is cool but he's not cool enough to avoid referring to himself as evil. Darkseid never calls himself evil.

Meph 9/10 or 8/10 overall.
I don't think Meph is cool at all. I think he's lame. lol

Loki is cool. And Mephisto refers to him as the God of Evil.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I don't think Meph is cool at all. I think he's lame. lol uhuh

Looks like I'll have to break out some scans from the Mephisto Vs. storyline.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
uhuh

Looks like I'll have to break out some scans from the Mephisto Vs. storyline.
Do that, please.

'Cause I admit to not knowing a whole lot about him, other than from his Thanos/SS/Thor/Devil's Reign exposure.

I don't read Ghost Rider, so...

^ Honestly, reading it over again... the Mephisto Vs. storyline is just an extremely long 4-issue miniseries. And to not post it in its entirety would do an injustice to the story. Mephisto takes on the Fantastic Four, classic X-Factor, the X-Men, the Avengers and Thor in one of his more elaborate endeavors of his career. And to give you a little bit more of an idea of the scope of the story, the Living Tribunal shows up. If I ever get around to making a Mephisto Respect Thread, the scans would go in there. But it's a bit too long to post here.

So here's a confrontation with arguably, Mephisto's second-most recurrent enemy, Thor. The following takes place in Thor: Annual #13 right after Odin's epic battle and first death against Surtur in Asgard. It's a smart read, so the first set of scans is essential as set-up. As for pure feats, you can fast-forward and look at how Mephisto treats Mjolnir in the second set of scans to follow:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/MephistovsThor01ThorAnnual13.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/MephistovsThor02.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/MephistovsThor03.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/MephistovsThor04.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/MephistovsThor05.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/MephistovsThor06.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/MephistovsThor07.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/MephistovsThor08.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/MephistovsThor09.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/MephistovsThor10.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/MephistovsThor11.jpg

^ And the finale, one of many battles between Thor and Mephisto. As to who wins their battle, you decide:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/th_ThorvsMephisto08Annual13.jpg http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/th_ThorvsMephisto09.jpg http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/th_ThorvsMephisto10.jpg http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/th_ThorvsMephisto11.jpg http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/th_ThorvsMephisto12.jpg http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/th_ThorvsMephisto13.jpg http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/th_ThorvsMephisto14.jpg

Wow. Turning Mjolnir to slag. Very neat.

I've got Thor annuals 5, 9, 10, and then 14 and up lol. Might have to go grab 13 for that arc. Very cool.

1. Outside of his realm.
2. In his realm

Who wins?

1. Thanos
2. Thanos but obviously more difficult

Thanos
Unsure

Originally posted by King Kandy
Thanos
Unsure

Thanos
Mephisto

Unsure?
He would have gotten Galactus if he hadn't started to absorb his realm, Thanos would be way outclassed in Meph's realm

Thanos in both.

Thanos
Meph

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos in both.

Meph was giving Galactus a good fight in his own realm
Thanos takes the first one but goes down HARD when he fights meph in meph's realm

Adam Warlock pwned Mephisto in his own realm.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Adam Warlock pwned Mephisto in his own realm.

yes
complete bull

Mephisto should rarely lose to anyone under Galactus level in his own realm.

Yet he has on more than one occasion.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Adam Warlock pwned Mephisto in his own realm. Didn't the old Adam had the soul gem though?

Yeah, he did. I don't remember how much that contributed to it.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Yeah, he did. I don't remember how much that contributed to it.

even with the soul gem he shouldn't have had owned Meph

1.Thanos
2.Mephisto

Originally posted by galactusischere
Meph was giving Galactus a good fight in his own realm
Thanos takes the first one but goes down HARD when he fights meph in meph's realm Not really. I mean Meph was holding his own but Galactus could win any time he wanted to. He proved that and when he started absorbing his realm Meph quickly gave up.


I see Thanos or Odin taking Meph in his own realm.


Originally posted by galactusischere
even with the soul gem he shouldn't have had owned Meph With the soul gem he should absolutely beat Meph in his own realm.Originally posted by King Kandy
Yeah, he did. I don't remember how much that contributed to it. It was the reason Warlock got the better of him.

Thanos in both

thanos
mephisto

1. In Mephisto's realm.

2. Neutral territory.

Who wins?

Thanos wins either.

1. Mephisto

2. Thanos

Meph.

Mephisto has far more raw power than Thanos, but appears to have to abide by certain guidelines as pertains the use of his immense power...

If Mephisto's goal is to get Thanos's soul, then Thanos wins every single time in either senario as I believe he is too strong willed to fall for "Satan's" tricks (inaddition, if I remember correctly, Mephisto cant directly use his power to force you to give him your soul nor can he gain it by killing you directly)...

If Mephisto decides he doesnt give a dam about Thanos's soul and just wants him dead, then Mephisto wins every single time in either senario...

This has been done countless times.

1 mephisto
2 Thanos

Originally posted by Nihilist
.

1 mephisto
2 Thanos

mephisto
not sure

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Mephisto has far more raw power than Thanos, but appears to have to abide by certain guidelines as pertains the use of his immense power...

If Mephisto's goal is to get Thanos's soul, then Thanos wins every single time in either senario as I believe he is too strong willed to fall for "Satan's" tricks (inaddition, if I remember correctly, Mephisto cant directly use his power to force you to give him your soul nor can he gain it by killing you directly)...

If Mephisto decides he doesnt give a dam about Thanos's soul and just wants him dead, then Mephisto wins every single time in either senario...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Mephisto has far more raw power than Thanos, but appears to have to abide by certain guidelines as pertains the use of his immense power...

If Mephisto's goal is to get Thanos's soul, then Thanos wins every single time in either senario as I believe he is too strong willed to fall for "Satan's" tricks (inaddition, if I remember correctly, Mephisto cant directly use his power to force you to give him your soul nor can he gain it by killing you directly)...

If Mephisto decides he doesnt give a dam about Thanos's soul and just wants him dead, then Mephisto wins every single time in either senario... Based on what, exactly?

^ Based on logic and comic books.

Believing Thanos has a chance against Mephisto is three flavors of retard.

This has been done several times. Use the search next time. Merging.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Believing Thanos has a chance against Mephisto is three flavors of retard.
Quan, Quanchi, and Quanshe?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Based on logic and comic books.

Believing Thanos has a chance against Mephisto is three flavors of retard. Originally posted by Omega Vision
Quan, Quanchi, and Quanshe? Double warned for Quan-bashing. sneer



biscuits

Originally posted by Badabing
Double warned for Quan-bashing. sneer



biscuits

Warned for backing up Quan.

Originally posted by Badabing
Double warned for Quan-bashing. sneer



biscuits
But I'm the Anti-Quanitor. It's in my job description.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
But I'm the Anti-Quanitor. It's in my job description. Can you employ me?I want that kind of job