The Town

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SnakeEyes
Ben Affleck's next directorial effort (after Gone Baby Gone) is this year's "The Town." He also stars in it.

Gone Baby Gone was pretty darn good, so I'm looking forward to this one. I saw the trailer attached to Inception and, although it gives away a little too much, it certainly got my interest. I just hope the movie's plot isn't as obvious as the trailer makes it out to be.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0840361/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eECq3J7L4gw

steverules_2
Trailer is ruined by the link in the middle of it

MildPossession
Gone Baby Gone was fantastic, definitely needs to direct more and star in films less. This one looks good but doesn't look like it will be up there with Gone Baby Gone. Also, think it would have been better if they didn't reveal 'that' part in the trailer. Unless you know in the film right from the start that Affleck's character was one of the robbers that took Hall's character hostage .

jaden101
Between him and Matt Damon they're a bit obsessed with films set in Boston, aint they?

Good Will Hunting
Gone Baby Gone
The Departed

Now this.

Looks good though so I'll be watching it.

Thought that about the trailer also though.

Robtard
Saw this trailer along with George Clooney's new film, 'The American', both look good; this is coming from a non Ben Affleck fan.

BruceSkywalker
saw the trailer yesterday before Inception came on.. dunno yet if i will see this

The Nuul
This looks cool.

rayfrank
The city is a virtual community center for meetings, exchange ideas and services, information gathering, and laying your roots in the city web.The is not a place to play itself , these are real people behind the identifiers talk about things that interest them.

The Nuul
I think there is a twist with Bens character and thats why they put him in the trailer like this.

albatros
this look cool but i hope that story don't like another films.

Robtard
Originally posted by albatros
this look cool but i hope that story don't like another films.

Well, I can guarantee you it's not like the following other films:

Lord of the Rings
The Neverending Story.
Space Balls
Transformers
Conan
Ghandi
The Guns of Navarone
Clerks
The Matrix
The Mummy
Porky's
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Excalibur

jaden101
Originally posted by Robtard
Well, I can guarantee you it's not like the following other films:

Porky's


Well that's me out.

residentevil3D
Gone Baby Gone was fantastic.....how about this movie???????? Ben afflick has proved again??

Mr Parker
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
saw the trailer yesterday before Inception came on.. dunno yet if i will see this

yeah I saw the trailer as well just this last week when i went to see Inception.Not so sure either if I really want to see this or not as well.

BruceSkywalker
Originally posted by Mr Parker
yeah I saw the trailer as well just this last week when i went to see Inception.Not so sure either if I really want to see this or not as well.

if i see this it will be because of blake lively and rebecca hall..

SnakeEyes
This movie comes out tomorrow and it's getting awesome reviews (currently a 90% on rottentomatoes).

Hopefully I'll get a chance to go see it sometime this weekend.

In the meantime, I saw some funny pics from the premiere:

SnakeEyes
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fanhost
It seems to be interesting movie.

Kazenji
4 Stars over at this place

http://www.screened.com/the-town/16-193251/staff-review/

The Nuul
Good to hear, I aint reading nothing though. I am sure that I will love this movie.

K.Diddy
beer The trailer didn't manage to catch too much of my interest,but I will still see it,no doubt

SnakeEyes
Saw this yesterday, really enjoyed it. Solid flick. Not as interesting, plot-wise, as Gone Baby Gone, but very well-made and entertaining. A lot of the story is actually really conventional, something we've seen a bunch of times but the writing, acting, directing, and cinematography all put it a notch above the norm. Not to mention, as critics have been saying, a "wonderful sense of place," which is true. You can tell Affleck cares about capturing Boston accurately.

Jeremy Renner's fantastic in this, too, I was glad to see him in another movie after The Hurt Locker.

pearlshea
The Town is an exciting and extremely well acted film

jaden101
Meh...decent plot but the characterization was non existent...I didn't care who got killed and who didn't. There wasn't a single character in it I related to or found remotely interesting which was kind of lucky given that most of them get gunned down near the end anyway

SnakeEyes
Originally posted by jaden101
Meh...decent plot but the characterization was non existent...I didn't care who got killed and who didn't. There wasn't a single character in it I related to or found remotely interesting which was kind of lucky given that most of them get gunned down near the end anyway

You didn't find Jeremy Renner's character interesting?

jaden101
Originally posted by SnakeEyes
You didn't find Jeremy Renner's character interesting?

Nope...He wasn't anything more than a dumb stereotypical bad guy that John Mclane would kill a hundred of in any Die Hard movie. The one character that could've used more screen time was the florist. Pete Postlethwaite is always a weird an interesting character in his US movies.

SnakeEyes
I thought he was really entertaining to watch, personally but the character was the archetypal "hothead." Like I said, the movie doesn't really transcend the conventions it employs. That said, I still thought it was highly enjoyable as an action/heist movie.

Darth Martin
Want to see this ever since I saw the trailer with Inception. The bank heist scenes with the various disguises sold me. May catch it at the dollar cinema as I'm not sure if it warrants a regular viewing.

jaden101
Originally posted by SnakeEyes
I thought he was really entertaining to watch, personally but the character was the archetypal "hothead." Like I said, the movie doesn't really transcend the conventions it employs. That said, I still thought it was highly enjoyable as an action/heist movie.

As an action movie it'd be ok because the robbery scenes are solid (quite funny in parts too...Like when they get out the car wearing the nun masks and they're right next to a cop car and there's a long awkward pause

But the action is far from the main focus of the film...That's supposed to be the relationship between the characters...And when you just don't give a shit about what happens to them then nothing that happens in those relationships has any impact on you as a viewer at all. Which is why I came away from the film feeling disappointed.

SnakeEyes
Makes sense. I can definitely understand that criticism.

jolly
The town is crime movie based on the novel Prince of thieves.

fanhost
The Town is really a superb movie. I like this movie..

Mr Parker
just saw this movie,was really boring,wasnt impressed with it,the ONLY thing I liked about it was getting to see pretty much the entire ballpark of Fenway Park. Happy Dance Because we got to see so much of that,I think I will get this movie just to look at those scenes.skip through the rest.

suraj143
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Joe Buck
I think this film is my favorite of the year thus far. Really great performances. Chris Cooper steps in and with one scene nearly steals the whole show. Good action sequences too.

The Nuul
Good movie, worth the buy. I was expecting better shootouts. Not as good as Heat.

The Nuul
Heres my thoughts, sure it was 90% all action and the other 10% for character development. Well its not really fair to compare it to Heat because Heat has an extra 45 min of film time to build characters and one kick ass shootout. Heat was about the characters and not the action, Town was about the action and not the characters, IMO.

The Nuul
How did the girl get blood on her collar when she was covered up with black and lying down on the floor?

jinXed by JaNx
Just saw this at the cheap seats. Having been looking forward to this movie i was incredibly disappointed. This movie highly boring, at least for me. I'm not quite sure why it was so boring but i think it's one of two things...,the overall plot and the lack of intensity. Excluding the Bank heists there was little to no intensity in the characters, dialogue or character consequences. I also mention the story being a factor in how boring the movie is because this is definitely a movie we have all seen done many times before. A bank Robber that gets involved with someone involved in the robbery. The only difference between this movie and others of its kind is that this one takes it's sweet ass time telling the story and it also does so with little to regard to pacing. This is coming from a fan of Crime dramas and Ben Affleck...,you're not missing out on anything if you avoid this movie entirely. I'd give it a 4/10

Bicnarok
Originally posted by pearlshea
The Town is an exciting and extremely well acted film

I totally agree, really enjoyed it. At times Ben Affleck was brilliant the look on his face when he said "who the **** do you think you are!! " was top drawer.

The Nuul
I disagree, Ben is in his typical acting which is not very good. And Jeremy's is overrated.

Bicnarok

sandeep kaur
if i see this it will be because of blake lively and rebecca hall. I seems to be interested movie. Happy Dance

mplo
Originally posted by jolly
The town is crime movie based on the novel Prince of thieves.

I read Chuck Hogan's novel, Prince of Thieves, and I liked the book far better than the movie, which, imo, was quite overrated, and very cartoon-like.

mplo
Originally posted by jaden101
Between him and Matt Damon they're a bit obsessed with films set in Boston, aint they?

Good Will Hunting
Gone Baby Gone
The Departed

Now this.

Looks good though so I'll be watching it.

Thought that about the trailer also though.

I really liked Gone Baby Gone, The Departed, and Good Will Hunting.
I admittedly liked The Town the first couple of times I saw it, when it was out in the theatres, but, after watching it several more times on DVD, in my computer...eh.....not so much. I began to take a more negative outlook towards The Town, in an about face, if one gets the drift.

I also might add that almost nobody, including Matt Damon, really likes Ben Affleck anymore.

mplo
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
if i see this it will be because of blake lively and rebecca hall.. Blake Lively was interesting, but I thought Rebecca Hall was overrated, and she's not even that pretty, either.

mplo
Originally posted by MildPossession
Gone Baby Gone was fantastic, definitely needs to direct more and star in films less. This one looks good but doesn't look like it will be up there with Gone Baby Gone. Also, think it would have been better if they didn't reveal 'that' part in the trailer. Unless you know in the film right from the start that Affleck's character was one of the robbers that took Hall's character hostage .

The Town really didn't hold up with Gone Baby Gone, and, Affleck, who played Doug MacRay, who was the ringleader of the men who took Claire Keesey(Rebecca Hall) hostage, was not the decent, goodhearted guy that he comes off as, at all. He is, in fact, a smooth-talking, sweet-talking, conniving individual, who put the romance moves on Claire for one reason; to keep her silent and to make absolutely sure that she wouldn't talk to the Feds. Sure, Doug MacRay found Claire attractive, all right; an attractive but gullible woman that he could bait and exploit, so that he'd gain her trust, so that she'd never call the cops on Doug and his gang.

Moreover, Claire was gullible enough or willfully stupid enough to allow Doug to sweet-talk her and set a trap for her, after he and his guys had victimized her by forcing her to open the bank vault under duress, at gunpoint, and then taking her hostage.

mplo
Originally posted by jaden101
Meh...decent plot but the characterization was non existent...I didn't care who got killed and who didn't. There wasn't a single character in it I related to or found remotely interesting which was kind of lucky given that most of them get gunned down near the end anyway

You've got a point, jaden101. The characters were extremely underdeveloped, and were played by mediocre actors and actresses, at best. Frankly, however, I ended up disliking Claire more than any of the other characters in the film, because of her pretentiousness and her willful arrogance and stupidity. I also might add that it's not surprising that Doug's men were gunned down by the Feds.

mplo
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Just saw this at the cheap seats. Having been looking forward to this movie i was incredibly disappointed. This movie highly boring, at least for me. I'm not quite sure why it was so boring but i think it's one of two things...,the overall plot and the lack of intensity. Excluding the Bank heists there was little to no intensity in the characters, dialogue or character consequences. I also mention the story being a factor in how boring the movie is because this is definitely a movie we have all seen done many times before. A bank Robber that gets involved with someone involved in the robbery. The only difference between this movie and others of its kind is that this one takes it's sweet ass time telling the story and it also does so with little to regard to pacing. This is coming from a fan of Crime dramas and Ben Affleck...,you're not missing out on anything if you avoid this movie entirely. I'd give it a 4/10

Your post about The Town is spot-on, jinXed by JaNX. The Town was very overrated, and, since I, too, am a fan of action/crime movies, there was too much of the boring parts, such as the Doug/Claire romance, underdeveloped characters played by mediocre actors/actresses, and the film was rather junky, overall. The Fenway Heists and the car chase and shoot-out scenes in the North End were very overblown, and the ending was phony as anything. Frankly, I give this movie a 2 or 3 rating out of ten at the most.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by mplo
The Town really didn't hold up with Gone Baby Gone, and, Affleck, who played Doug MacRay, who was the ringleader of the men who took Claire Keesey(Rebecca Hall) hostage, was not the decent, goodhearted guy that he comes off as, at all. He is, in fact, a smooth-talking, sweet-talking, conniving individual, who put the romance moves on Claire for one reason; to keep her silent and to make absolutely sure that she wouldn't talk to the Feds. Sure, Doug MacRay found Claire attractive, all right; an attractive but gullible woman that he could bait and exploit, so that he'd gain her trust, so that she'd never call the cops on Doug and his gang.

Moreover, Claire was gullible enough or willfully stupid enough to allow Doug to sweet-talk her and set a trap for her, after he and his guys had victimized her by forcing her to open the bank vault under duress, at gunpoint, and then taking her hostage.

That is a pretty cynical look on the motivations of Ben Affleck's character, and one that is pretty emphatically untrue. He started a relationship with her because he liked her, and frankly it wasn't even that beneficial too him, seeing her put him and his entire crew at risk and he new that. The only thing he gained was telling her to hold onto the information about the tattoo until she was ready to tell the cops and that she didn't need to fell obligated to do so. Making sure she wouldn't go to the police was the reason he met her initially in that laundry mat, (the real reason was to give his friends some peace of mind so the lunatic didn't go off an kill her, but I'll throw you a bone) but not the reason he started dating her... that is made pretty clear in the movie.

mplo
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
That is a pretty cynical look on the motivations of Ben Affleck's character, and one that is pretty emphatically untrue. He started a relationship with her because he liked her, and frankly it wasn't even that beneficial too him, seeing her put him and his entire crew at risk and he new that. The only thing he gained was telling her to hold onto the information about the tattoo until she was ready to tell the cops and that she didn't need to fell obligated to do so. Making sure she wouldn't go to the police was the reason he met her initially in that laundry mat, (the real reason was to give his friends some peace of mind so the lunatic didn't go off an kill her, but I'll throw you a bone) but not the reason he started dating her... that is made pretty clear in the movie.

I have to disagree, srankmissingnin. I believe that this is a matter of opinion. I think that Doug really did set Claire up. No guy takes a woman hostage and then falls in love with her. I really do think that Doug exploited Claire, in order to get one thing out of her; a promise that she wouldn't talk to the Feds, which he got. Claire was also rather stupid to stick with Doug even after learning that he was one of the guys who robbed her bank at gunpoint and took her as a hostage. Claire, imho, should've gone to Agt. Frawley for help, instead of traipsing around with an armed felon (Doug MacRay), who was also a wanted fugitive.

mapol
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
That is a pretty cynical look on the motivations of Ben Affleck's character, and one that is pretty emphatically untrue. He started a relationship with her because he liked her, and frankly it wasn't even that beneficial too him, seeing her put him and his entire crew at risk and he new that. The only thing he gained was telling her to hold onto the information about the tattoo until she was ready to tell the cops and that she didn't need to fell obligated to do so. Making sure she wouldn't go to the police was the reason he met her initially in that laundry mat, (the real reason was to give his friends some peace of mind so the lunatic didn't go off an kill her, but I'll throw you a bone) but not the reason he started dating her... that is made pretty clear in the movie.

One is supposed to believe that Doug MacRay was a good guy at heart who screwed up, and that he really cared about Claire's welfare, but he was just interested in protecting his friends' and his own flanks, so that they wouldn't end up going back to prison. I also might add that it was Jem's sister and Doug's ex-girlfriend, Krista, who ratted Doug and his men out to the Feds, not Claire. Frankly, although I don't advocate Krista's sordid lifestyle, I'd give her a medal in a heartbeat for ratting Doug and his men out. They deserved it.

Oh, and how can so many people have missed the fact that the reasons that Doug ultimately skipped town for Florida were:

A) He was an armed felon and wanted fugitive who was on the lam from the law

B) Doug had gotten what he really wanted out of Claire; a promise not to squeal to the Feds.

C) Doug knew, at some level, that sooner or later, he'd be hunted down by the Feds, caught and either sent to prison, or possibly gunned down by the law, and that Claire would be in the line of fire.

mapol
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
That is a pretty cynical look on the motivations of Ben Affleck's character, and one that is pretty emphatically untrue. He started a relationship with her because he liked her, and frankly it wasn't even that beneficial too him, seeing her put him and his entire crew at risk and he new that. The only thing he gained was telling her to hold onto the information about the tattoo until she was ready to tell the cops and that she didn't need to fell obligated to do so. Making sure she wouldn't go to the police was the reason he met her initially in that laundry mat, (the real reason was to give his friends some peace of mind so the lunatic didn't go off an kill her, but I'll throw you a bone) but not the reason he started dating her... that is made pretty clear in the movie. Why, oh why do so many people fall for such a hyped-up, cheap, overrated, trashy movie such as The Town, and, more to the point, refuse to accept dissenting opinions on it? _It beats me...I don't know! _
I admit to one thing, however: _The Town left me rooting for the cops and the FBI, especially Agt. Adam Frawley and wanting them to catch Doug MacRay and his men _and send them to jail for their crimes, and to have Claire either criminally prosecuted herself for being an accessory to Doug's crimes and for tipping him Doug off with a "sunny days" code and enabling him to elude the law, or at least put on some sort of probation for her bullshit. _Sure, I sympathized with Claire at first, because she was the victim of an armed bank robbery, which wasn't her fault, but I completely lost my sympathy for her when she not only got involved, wholesale, in _a romance with Doug, but refused to sever all contacts with him even after she learned through Agt. Frawley who Doug MacRay really was, and what he was up to.. _Unlike most people, who are sympathetic with Ben Affleck's character in that film, and with Claire, I am not.

Why should I be sympathetic to either Doug or Claire? _The idea that Doug MacRay wanted to change and redeem himself through Claire is utter bullshit, especially after he engaged in an act of vigilantism by going back to Charlestown, taking the law into his own hands, and gunning down Rusty and Fergie just because they threatened Doug's ladygirl Claire with physical harm. _Come on now! Doug MacRay's still a professional criminal and he was not the decent guy he came across as when he and Claire met "by chance" in a C-Town laundromat.

Doug MacRay, like his friends and partners in crime, are not only skilled, disciplined and ruthless in their quest for quick money through parasitic behaviors such as armed robbery, and who'd unquestionably kill or seriously injure people enough to put them in the hospital if they're considered obstacles to what they want, but Doug knows how to come across as a nice guy, when he's really not. _He may not be crazy like his best friend and righthand man, Jem, but he's a sociopath and a person of unprovoked violence just the same. _The fact that he came across as such a nice, charming guy and deceived Claire by pretending to be an upstanding, law-abiding citizen, when he's really not, is more than disgusting...it's part of his criminal behavior. _As for Claire, the fact that she took Doug's bait and rose to it is pathetic indeed.

If Doug had really wanted to change, imo, he would've turned himself and his guys in, come forward, negociated with the Feds for some protection for him and Claire, and stopped heisting once and for all. _ Doug left for Florida without Claire for two reasons: _
A) _Doug macRay was an armed felon and wanted fugitive who'd been on the lam from the law for quite awhile, plus he'd just killed Fergie and Rusty.
B) Doug had gotten what he really wanted out of Claire all along; _a promise from her not to turn him in, which he got.
How can so many people be so naive or willfully stupid as to miss that?

Also, if Doug wanted to redeem himself, he would've come forward, served his time, and 
after a prison term, found honest ways to raise the funding for the renovation for the C-Town hockey rink himself, instead of using Claire Keesey as a go-between. _What people don't realize is that Doug wasn't a nice guy...even to Claire, even though most people firmly believe that. _ The fact that he deceived her, seduced her and made a total fool out of her was vicious. _The fact that Claire acted like a poor, confused, dumb-assed adolescent and allowed herself to be manipulated, made a fool out of and taken advantage of by Doug is pitiful, but she doesn't deserve pity, due to the fact that she helped the very guy who turned her life upside down and caused her a ton of grief in the first place escape the law. _

Now that I think of it, I wouldn't cared one iota if Doug and Claire had either ended up in jail, or been shot and thrown into the Charles or the Mystic River. _An awful thing for me to say, but that's how disgusted I am with this kind of thing.

As for Kristina, well, I don't like her sordid lifestyle or behavior (drug and alcohol addiction, sleeping around with too many men, and the fact that she was in the business herself by helping to book hotel rooms and get costumes for Doug and his men, and being a drug mule for Fergie and Rusty), but i'll say this: _I feel kind of sorry for Krista, in a way, because she had far fewer choices than Claire; _she'd grown up with Doug and Jem, who, like many other men, abused and exploited her for their own ends. _Krista's daughter, Shyne, still an infant, caught in the middle of all this shit, was innocent, and I felt sorry for her, too.
I'm so sick of people saying that what the white collar criminals (not defending them, btw) are worse than guys like Doug MacRay and his gang, because it's unrelated, and not true. _

Neither the book Prince of Thieves, on which The Town was based, or the movie, make any effort to get at causes of bank robbery and other crimes, and the circumstances _under which Doug and his men had grown up under. _Moreover, the movie asks the audience to sympathize with Doug MacRay and his men, as well as Claire, who acted stupidly enough to allow Doug to take advantage of her, and who became an accessory to his crimes, while considering law enforcement officials assigned to bring criminals like MacRay and company to their knees and have them locked up in penetentiaries once and for all.

Dez was a smart (he was college-educated and had a regular job) but stupid guy; _he was pretty much just along for the ride, and did what he was told to do by the gang, and yet, at the same time, he seemed to be pretty much their victim, as well, if one gets the drift. _Dez allowed himself to be taken for a ride, also. _
At least the book fleshes out the characters and spends more time on Dez and Krista, and doesn't focus on the viewpoint of Doug and Jem so much, plus the book takes a far less sympathetic outlook towards Doug and his men. _
Sorry, folks, but I can't bring myself to like this film, except for the very beginning.



mapol
Originally posted by pearlshea
The Town is an exciting and extremely well acted film

I disagree. The acting, especially on the part of Ben Affleck, wasn't that good, and I liked the very beginning of The Town, with the aerial and ground shots of Boston's Charlestown section, as well as the opening bank heist. For me, however, The Town went from being okay to being just plain bad, in a matter of minutes.

mapol
Originally posted by SnakeEyes
Saw this yesterday, really enjoyed it. Solid flick. Not as interesting, plot-wise, as Gone Baby Gone, but very well-made and entertaining. A lot of the story is actually really conventional, something we've seen a bunch of times but the writing, acting, directing, and cinematography all put it a notch above the norm. Not to mention, as critics have been saying, a "wonderful sense of place," which is true. You can tell Affleck cares about capturing Boston accurately.

Jeremy Renner's fantastic in this, too, I was glad to see him in another movie after The Hurt Locker.

Jeremy Renner was the only convincing actor in The Town. I also might add that The Town conveys an extremely troubling message, to me:

The Town also normalizes the Stockholm Syndrome and its inverse, the Lima Syndrome. One doesn't have to be in any of the helping professions (i. e. psychiatrist, psychologist, social worker, etc.) to realize that, while a person who's taken hostage and falls victim to the Stockholm Syndrome (i. e. falling in love with her captor) or the Lima Syndrome (i. e. accepting the overtures of her captor, who falls in love with her), presumably has a better chance of survival in a hostage situation, the victim, in either case, is turned into a person who is at her captor's beck and call, is manipulated and controlled by him, and is essentially brainwashed into believing that her captor cares enough about her not to kill her, and that he'll always treat her kindly and not abuse her. This couldn't be farther from the truth, especially because, all too often, the victim is isolated from her friends and loved ones, and begins to blame law officials and other authorities for her troubles and turn against them rather than her captor who committed this criminal act against her in the first place.

That being said, I'd say that common sense is required, in order to at least minimize the possibility of having something like that happen to him or her; Just because one meets a charming guy or gal, doesn't mean that they're necessarily out for any good, particularly if one is in an area that's known to be tough, with a violent history to it. Anybody who meets someone that they've never seen before, no matter where they are, or how charming they may be, should be much more careful, and not be so quick to accept dates with someone or get into things with people they don't know that well.

Claire was a woman who used no common sense what. so. ever, and she ended up having a breakdown when it finally backfired on her. Hey...if I'd known her in real life, I'd tell her.."Hey..don't you understand that if you play with fire, you're going to get burned? Think about that!"

Supposed the bank manager hadn't been as angelic-looking as Claire, or had been someone with a learning/developmental disability such as autism, Aspergers, dyslexia, ADD/ADHD, or a seizure disorder? Do people honestly believe that Doug and his men would've even acted the least bit charming and sympathetic towards her? I don't think so. Doug would've allowed Jem to do whatever he wanted with her, and she probably would've been gang-raped or "offed" by Doug and his posse of armed criminals. Don't kid yourselves, guys!

Doug, contrary to how he came across to Claire, wasn't a nice guy, even to her. He was playing her, and anybody who thinks that Doug and his men wouldn't have hesitated to kill her if she'd even shown signs of resisting, and refused to comply with them in any way, is just kidding him or herself.

Ascendancy
Amazing how much this movie has been picked apart because of the "human relations" issues with it. Were the guys in the crew from Heat nice, kind-hearted gentlemen? No, they too were ready to do whatever it took to get the money yet most people didn't want to see them all dead at the end of the movie.

Maybe it's just because discussions weren't so easy to have back in the day but I can't help wondering if some films would be so widely acclaimed as they are had they been released now. Just my take on it.

ChickenBoTheory
I've seen the extended cut of the movie and it's really great!! roll eyes (sarcastic)

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