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This fight will have two rounds.

Rnd 1 - Vulcan and the entire Shi'ar Empire invade Latveria to take it over. It is a random invasion. Doctor Doom was never prepared for this. Will Latveria be able to survive and win the battle, or will Latveria be taken over by the Shi'ar Empire?

Rnd 2 - Same scenario as round 1, only this time Doctor Doom heard from an anonymous source a week prior that Vulcan was planning on invading, so he takes that entire week to prepare Latveria's defenses for the invasion of Vulcan and the Shi'ar Empire? Will Latveria be able to survive and win the battle, or will Latveria be taken over by the Shi'ar Empire? What will Doom do to prepare for the invasion? How will be combat it with his week of preparation?

Each round will have Doom and Vulcan square off in the end, just like in War of Kings where in the end Black Bolt squared off with Vulcan. The only difference is in one round Doctor Doom is not prepared, and in the other Doctor Doom is prepared.

Both Latveria and the Shi'ar Empire can use any and all weapons that it has at it's disposal. That means Doombots, Imperial Guard, etc. Same thing for the battle between Doctor Doom and Vulcan. All of their powers completely at their disposal.

Earth couldn't withstand an invasion let alone Latvia.

earth gets crushed in one. doom sucks them into a pocket universe or something in two

If Doomie can overcome the full might of the Shi`ar empire, why the fu*k is he not ruling earth yet?

^ Because he decided to give up his rule over Earth? Check out Emperor Doom.

Originally posted by Mshinu
If Doomie can overcome the full might of the Shi`ar empire, why the fu*k is he not ruling earth yet? because first hes gotta beat reed richards. he has to validate himself against richards i guess

Finally came to his senses did he? Last time I checked his goal was still "Doomworld" when he had that conversation with Bast or whatever that cat god was named. Next perhaps he will let go of that ridicolously huge ego of his too.

nah, then he wont be able to be beaten and be a more boring character and have less over-elaborate plans.

Damn, we would have another Reed Richards.

Does Vulcan want to conquer or destroy? The Hecatomb or and that device that allowed him to port a star to any place he wants makes the first scenario very one-sided.

Doom will need a very powerful item or a hell of a lot of people to help him in scenario 2. And I don't think Latveria possesses either of those at the moment.

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
nah, then he wont be able to be beaten and be a more boring character and have less over-elaborate plans.

If doom conquered earth he would proceed to conquer the UNIVERSE!!!

Strait up doom loses

Prepped fight doom BFRs them into galactus's stomach.

Between the two specific vulcan in one.

With prep doom uses his army of 6 billion doombots to kill vulcan.Then proceeds to steal the celestial killing gun from reed,kill galactus,become the new galactus,and be the new power of the next universe.

Any fight involving prep Doom will win. Its an unquantifiable factor, Marvel should go as far as list it as a super power. Unlimited Prep time potential or some shit.

But yeah Vulcan has the means to take over if we are talking about a blitz as ExodusCloak has pointed out.

So, what are people agreeing upon? Would Latveria, with prep, be able to withstand an assult from the Shi'ar Empire? If so, how would they do it?

One week isn't enough.

Vulcan in both... Unless... Can Doom call on people to help him?

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
One week isn't enough.

Vulcan in both... Unless... Can Doom call on people to help him?


Doom isn't winning 1 that's for sure. Either Xenith or Gladiator would kill him before he knew what happened.

As for two, the only viable solution would involve stealing cosmic powers from someone like Surfer or above and executing Vulcan. BFR is a second option. Other than that, he may need to resort to luring the Phalanx to infect the Shi'ar. All of these tho would require him using his time machine to buy extra time to carry out his plan.

Shiar conquer in both. Vulcan himself isn't much of a factor.

Latveria for both scenarios. Doom could entrap the invading army in time or bfr them to another dimension.

one-on-one, Doom falls in scenario one and reigns supreme in scenario two.

In a one-on-one fight, Vulcan would destroy Doom.

actually, Doom wins in all scenarios. he does a mind swap with Vulcan, becoming Emperor Doom.

in a one-on-one fight, with some prep, Doom could get the OFF switch to the mutant gene. shields + flick the OFF switch = dead mutie.

First scenario is spite. The Shi'ar Empire is HUGE and could obliterate Earth as easily as Latveria.

Second scenario, I would give it to Doom. Vulcan will probably try the straight approach and walk into a trap. It would have to be one helluva trap though.

Vulcan would manipulate Doom's energy and just kill him off the bat unless Doom has prep.

nah, Molecule Man, stray Celestials and Celestials in waiting are on the planet. no chance of Shi'ar destroying Earth. I bet the magic and tech defences of Latveria are upto the challenge of holding off an invading army, long enough for Doom to utilise some form of temporal or dimensional bfr or even to use powerful magic to do it.

Doom would punch his other eye out.

Originally posted by Cubey
Vulcan would manipulate Doom's energy and just kill him off the bat unless Doom has prep.
it would take Vulcan a few moments, enough time for an ovoid mind-transfer.

He's used his powers to mind**** people, shut down others' brains and powers. Can't see non-prepped Doom doing anything to Vulcan. Magic might work, but Vulcan is capable of manipulating that like another form of energy.

Doom is NOT "other people".

he beat the Marquis of Death, he can deal with mutie muppets.

Rachel Summers isn't "other people" either but he beat her. And please show me where he was able to manipulate energy to counter Vulcan's? Because beating one character doesn't mean much in other fights unless they showed something that would help them in this scenario.

Vulcan has no eye defenses.

Originally posted by janus77
Doom is NOT "other people".

he beat the Marquis of Death, he can deal with mutie muppets. The hell he did, the F4 beat the MoD. Doom just stood by to kill an already incapacited schmuck and only because RR wouldn't kill him no matter what.

doom has no chance in scenario 1. in scenario 2, that's more than enough time to get a cosmic cube or steal the power cosmic or make the earth disappear or whatever doom needs to do.

Good Doom dies.

Originally posted by Bentley
Good Doom makes vulcan die.

I see what you did there

Originally posted by 753
The hell he did, Clyde Wyncham beat the MoD. Doom just stood by to kill an already incapacited schmuck and only because RR wouldn't kill him no matter what.

I see a lot of people underestimating Vulcan. He is an Omega-Level Energy Manipulator. Unless Doom has a defense for this, in reverse to what he did to D'Ken, Vulcan could easily shut off Doom's brain, preventing him from doing anything.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Yes, it was Clyde's raw power that weakened him the most, but as usual, it was RR's strategy (with the help of an insight from ben grimm) that sealed the whole thing. The f4 also delivered the blow that put him down after CW lost.

Pft, the Marquis of Death was beaten by Ben Grimm, Reed and Victor are punks.