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1. on land
2. rainstorm

They both get bfr'd, once divided Namor takes them apart, but Colossus will be a challenge for him.

Thing gets taken out first

Collssus get beat on for a long. Long time then goes down.

Namor then gives him a warriors burial and commemorates a holiday for him.

no bfr

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
no bfr

Then Namor would still have a good chance of winning, Namors battle prowess would allow him to use the two of these guys against eachother. Their only chance and best chance is to seperate.

Neither scenario would be easy for Namor, because one on one these guys would give him a fight.

Mmmh... I would say Namor thanks to speed and flight, if he was grounded Thing would give him troubles by himself. Being good team players Colossus and Thing should get a solid majority.

Namor.

Originally posted by Bentley
Mmmh... I would say Namor thanks to speed and flight, if he was grounded Thing would give him troubles by himself. Being good team players Colossus and Thing should get a solid majority.

I'm not sure I agree with that. From what I've seen, Namor has consistently been above Thing/Colossus level strength wise when at full power or near it. I'm pretty sure his punked Thing before.

Namor fluctuates from around Thing/Colossus level to high end Class 100 (Hercules level) depending on how hydrated he is.

Thing tends to do well against stronger opponents, he hangs with Hulk despite the fact he's not nearly as strong. As you said, Namor has a positive record against Ben, but is not so much of a stomp.

Originally posted by Bentley
Thing tends to do well against stronger opponents, he hangs with Hulk despite the fact he's not nearly as strong. As you said, Namor has a positive record against Ben, but is not so much of a stomp.

From what I've seen, the best Thing has done against the Hulk was last like a few pages.

I think Hulk even beat Thing once when they traded bodies. Not sure.

I don't think it would be a stomp but I've seen Namor overpower Thing pretty swiftly. He even took him out in one shot but that might have been in the Heroes Reborn Universe. Not too sure. I saw a scan floating around here where Namor was able to easily defeat Pineapple Thing but I haven't read the actual comic myself.

On land, they'd probably trade some blows with Namor overpowering and taking out the Thing eventually. In water however, I'd expect Namor to deal with the Thing pretty swiftly.

The best Ben has done against Namor was when he pulled him out of water against his will back near Namor's introduction I believe.

I think their separate performances against the Sentry is a good indicator of the strength gap between the two. Not using that as evidence mind you but I think it indicates the strength difference in the same light I do. I'm too lazy to think of any direct comparisons. You could use the Hulk as well I guess.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
1. on land
2. rainstorm

i dunno about land , on land he's about thing strength low 100, so i don't see him, beating colossus but perhaps thing

in the rainstorm , namor could probably match if not exceed the strength the nimrods applied to break colossus's arm, so i guess namor would beat them both here

Originally posted by ankur29
i dunno about land , on land he's about thing strength low 100, so i don't see him, beating colossus but perhaps thing

in the rainstorm , namor could probably match if not exceed the strength the nimrods applied to break colossus's arm, so i guess namor would beat them both here

Namor would definitely beat Colossus in a rainstorm, but let's not get ridiculous. The Nimrods were specifically calculating his level of strength....and then compensating by increasing their own strength to the point that they could break his arm.

The most WWH did was bend them...so breaking one is pretty uber.

^I lol'd.

Originally posted by KingD19
Namor would definitely beat Colossus in a rainstorm, but let's not get ridiculous. The Nimrods were specifically calculating his level of strength....and then compensating by increasing their own strength to the point that they could break his arm.

The most WWH did was bend them...so breaking one is pretty uber. According to handbooks Nimrods are Class 100 and if I recall correctly there was 5 or 6 of them gang banging him while it only took one to take down Namor.

When did Nimrod break Colossus's arm?

Originally posted by The Nuul
When did Nimrod break Colossus's arm? Don't recall but it was recent.

Isnt current Nimrod's fodder these days?

They were.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Isnt current Nimrod's fodder these days? Well Namor was taken down by one so I don't know what you consider fodder.

Yes, Nimrods were fodder. Compared to how the original one was portrayed at least. I recall Magnus taking out a large lot.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
According to handbooks Nimrods are Class 100 and if I recall correctly there was 5 or 6 of them gang banging him while it only took one to take down Namor.

It only took 1 to apply the pressure to break his arm. The others were restraining him.

We saw Namor taking on multiple Nimrods, and you know, actually winning. I recall him simply flying through some. They started playing with the ambient humidity to counter him. Colossus? They just broke him.

No matter how you sugar coat it took 5 to finish Colossus and one to finish Namor.

Hahaha. Colossus fanboys.

It took 4 to restrain Colossus, and one to break his arm (I think) Poor bastard was out of commission as I recall. Namor on the other hand was just ripping through the bastards and taking on multiple Nimrods -and actually winning- until they resorted to his weakness.

Namor is you know, an actual powerhouse. While Colossus is busy struggling with Gargan -lulz- Namor's out there taking on the Sentry.

Colossus was still smashing them after they broke his arm, it didn't stop him completely. They used a simple tactic that wouldn't even phase Colossus to put down Namor and as I recall wasn't shown for the rest of the issue.

Originally posted by KingD19
Namor would definitely beat Colossus in a rainstorm, but let's not get ridiculous. The Nimrods were specifically calculating his level of strength....and then compensating by increasing their own strength to the point that they could break his arm.

The most WWH did was bend them...so breaking one is pretty uber.

i'm sure WWH could break them

besides a fully hydrated namor should be able to match the strength that the nimrod was at

fully hydrated namor is probably stronger than WWH during the colossus fight (till Hulk starts getting angrier)

Originally posted by ankur29


fully hydrated namor is probably stronger than WWH during the colossus And I'm done.

I specifically remember Colossus lying down behind a car cradling his arm or some shit.

Using technology to reduce the ambient humidity in the area isn't simple in my world. Simple is simply breaking your opponent.

Lol. I'd hope reducing the ambient humidity in the area wouldn't put down Colossus. That would be pathetic even by his standards.

I'm not 100% sure but I think it was. I believe we saw a broken Colossus surrounded by Nimrod's, along with Xavier and Legion, and then Cyclops with some mutants, but no other scenes of events on the bridge.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I specifically remember Colossus lying down behind a car cradling his arm or some shit.

Not surprised.

That Colossus would be taken out by a broken arm? Okay...

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That Colossus would be taken out by a broken arm? Okay... That you think that Colossus was down after that when it shows Colossus still fighting with a broken arm. Namor was shown trashing them the same as Colossus was, the difference being that it took 1 to take down Namor and 6 to take down Colossus.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
That you think that Colossus was down after that when it shows Colossus still fighting with a broken arm. Namor was shown trashing them the same as Colossus was, the difference being that it took 1 to take down Namor and 6 to take down Colossus.

I recall Colossus being down because it was shown Colossus was down. You're implying that my memory of the event was twisted. Most likely due to my opinion of him in your mind.

I specifically remember Colossus lying down behind a car, unable to fight. Before that, I recall him being surrounded by Nimrods, broken, and not doing anything. He might have thrown a single kick but I'm not sure.

Did the Colossus trashing take place in another comic?

Typical church of Class 100 Colossus shit. Context? Out the window.

Having 5 Class 100 beings hold you down while another Class 100 breaks your arm isn't a bad showing at all. And even then big C was still kicking....lieterally. Namor was taken down by a single Nimrod.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
And I'm done.

hold on , what i meant is that obviously hulk becomes stronger ...

but wwh has a base strength too from which he amps just that the base is much higher than savage but still not on hydrated namor,thor and herc level

Originally posted by ankur29
hold on , what i meant is that obviously hulk becomes stronger ...

but wwh has a base strength too from which he amps just that the base is much higher than savage but still not on hydrated namor,thor and herc level Hydrated Namor isn't as strong as Thor or Hercules as proven in comics.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Hydrated Namor isn't as strong as Thor or Hercules as proven in comics.

true,but he is in their leagues

these guys,including hydrated namor are probably are stronger than WWH base

Originally posted by ankur29
true,but he is in their leagues

these guys,including hydrated namor are probably are stronger than WWH base I thought WWHulk's base was way past Class 100?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Having 5 Class 100 beings hold you down while another Class 100 breaks your arm isn't a bad showing at all. And even then big C was still kicking....lieterally. Namor was taken down by a single Nimrod.

It was 4. 1 Nimrod grabbed a single arm, another was holding on to a leg, while a fourth was hanging on to his back. I think one or two of the Nimrods were legless.

Having your arm literally broken by some fodder Nimrod isn't a bad showing? Hahahaha. I'd be f*cking steamed as hell if that happened to Thor. By I can see you accepting it. It being Colossus and all. All we need is someone to break his arm(s) one more time and it might become a trend.

Colossus kicked off the legless Nimrod that was hanging to his leg as I recall. That's it. He was then standing there with a facial expression that made me think he was about to cry. He was then slouched behind a car, barely able to put some words together. A broken arm would barely slow down Thor.

We see him being punched by a Nimrod. I'm not sure whether or not he was taken down.

Colossus was fighting even with a broken arm, granted he was going to get his @ss kicked but that's not the point.

What fighting? I only saw him kick of a Nimrod that was missing a lower body. Which took extreme effort. He was yelling in pain.

BTW I counted 5 Nimrods and 1 legless one making a total of 6.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What fighting? I only saw him kick of a Nimrod that was missing a lower body. Which took extreme effort. He was yelling in pain. The point was he was still atleast fighting. Like I said he wasn't going to do much but he was still atleast fighting back.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
BTW I counted 5 Nimrods and 1 legless one making a total of 6.

There were 6 present. Only 4 restrained him and one broke his arm. Actually, it might be have been the 4th Nimrod being the one that does the breaking.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
The point was he was still atleast fighting. Like I said he wasn't going to do much but he was still atleast fighting back.

Quanchi levels of denial and spinning there bud.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
There were 6 present. Only 4 restrained him and one broke his arm. Actually, it might be have been the 4th Nimrod being the one that does the breaking. Look closer or post the scan. 5 of them were restraining him while 1 broke his arm. The purple one that was legless wasn't shown in the 2nd panel.....well...because Colossus punched him in half prior.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Only 4 restrained him and one broke his arm. You might be right because the one in the back we don't really see what he's doing. So maybe it was 5 that took him down, still might be 6 though.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
post the scan.

http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/th_New_Mutants_14_0010.jpg http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/th_New_Mutants_14_0011.jpg http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/th_New_Mutants_14_0015.jpg


random ones of namor vs nimrod

http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/th_Uncanny_X-Men_525_0015.jpg

http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/th_X-Force_27_0004.jpg http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/th_X-Force_27_0010.jpg

http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/th_X-Force_27_0014-1.jpg

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I thought WWHulk's base was way past Class 100?

yeah i'd say wwh is about adult colossus level (several thousand tons) without further amping wheras hydrated namour is tens of thousands if not hundred

Originally posted by ankur29
http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/th_New_Mutants_14_0010.jpg http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/th_New_Mutants_14_0011.jpg


random ones of namor vs nimrod

http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/th_Uncanny_X-Men_525_0015.jpg

http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/th_X-Force_27_0004.jpg http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/th_X-Force_27_0010.jpg

http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/th_X-Force_27_0014-1.jpg



yeah , adult colossus level (several thousand tons) without further amping Atleast post the scan of Colossus kicking one of them off of him after they broke his arm.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Atleast post the scan of Colossus kicking one of them off of him after they broke his arm.

my bad, done

Haha. Colossus is such a ***** compared to Namor.

Yea, post the following scenes where Colossus looks like his about to cry and is on the ground, barely able to speak.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Look closer or post the scan. 5 of them were restraining him while 1 broke his arm. The purple one that was legless wasn't shown in the 2nd panel.....well...because Colossus punched him in half prior.

You might be right because the one in the back we don't really see what he's doing. So maybe it was 5 that took him down, still might be 6 though.

One on his right arm, one on his back, and one on his left arm (The one that did the breaking) We saw two grabbing his lower body. No more were shown to do anything. At the least there were 3. At the most there were 5.

Hey, atleast Colossus was still concious and fighting back....Namor was taking a nap.

Lulz. Now that you've given up whatever your other stance was, your going to try and argue that Namor was knocked out? You better have some more proof than us seeing him engaged in battle with a Nimrod and absent for the rest of the issue.

You and I have different definitions of fighting back.

Namor put his fist through the head of a nimrod

Collosus almost got maimed

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Namor put his fist through the head of a nimrod

Collosus almost got maimed Did you not see Colossus punching one in half? That's better than punching through a head imo.

This discussion has reminded me of this scene:
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/DarkReignTheLista.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/DarkReignTheListb.jpg
Thanks to Liam

Lmao @ Colossus face. Seeing a true Class 100 at work.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This discussion has reminded me of this scene:
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/DarkReignTheLista.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Strength/DarkReignTheListb.jpg
Thanks to Liam

Lmao @ Colossus face. Seeing a true Class 100 at work. Namor could barely pick that thing up. LOL!

hmm , since it took 12.5 tons psi to reset colossus's arm and as long as namor can exert 12.5 ton psi and has him in an armbar namor will break colossus unfortunately

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Did you not see Colossus punching one in half? That's better than punching through a head imo.

Where did you see Colossus punching one in half? What I saw was Colossus managing to put a hole through the side of one Nimrod with repeated attacks.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Namor could barely pick that thing up. LOL!

he wasn't even in direct contact with water, that thing must weight 100+ tons, whith a lot of momentum

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Namor could barely pick that thing up. LOL!

Looking back at how large and powerful Marina was previously, it's a pretty impressive feat.

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Mariana1.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Mariana.jpg
Thanks to Liam

Comic book scale isn't always accurate.

Originally posted by ankur29
he wasn't even in direct contact with water, that thing must weight 100+ tons, whith a lot of momentum Namor was soaked as we see water dripping off his chin. And even then he struggled to lift Marrina. Not a good showing.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Namor was soaked as we see water dripping off his chin. And even then he struggled to lift Marrina. Not a good showing.

i thought its water dripping form the monster ,either way it shoudl be common knowledge that namor is one of the top class 100's not mid range like colossus

http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww156/ankur2113/th_BP_011_Headshot_CPS_010.jpg

Originally posted by ankur29
i thought its water dripping form the monster ,either way it shoudl be common knowledge that namor is one of the top class 100's not mid range like colossus

http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww156/ankur2113/th_BP_011_Headshot_CPS_010.jpg So do you think she weighed tens of thousands of tons?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
So do you think she weighed tens of thousands of tons?

i don't know

I wonder how much this weighed?

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/doggydogg2/th_Namor.jpg

I saw that before. Probably a few tons unless it's one of those science based space warping things. I don't see what that proves. Namor's strength level being dependent purely on how hydrated he is means scenes like that don't really put him in a bad light unless a power level is given for him. If that was Colossus, I'd "lol".

Wasn't that right after the battle with the Nimrods by the way?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I wonder how much this weighed?

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/doggydogg2/th_Namor.jpg

come on man , have you seen namor ohotmu entry his strength can diminsh to class 10 even enhanced range with time spent away from water

Two weeks prep each, basic knowledge. They prep in an universe that's both DC and Marvel at the same time.

Fight on Savage Dragon's house.

Originally posted by ankur29
come on man , have you seen namor ohotmu entry his strength can diminsh to class 10 even enhanced range with time spent away from water *cough* Black suit *cough*

Originally posted by ankur29


in the rainstorm , namor could probably match if not exceed the strength the nimrods applied to break colossus's arm, so i guess namor would beat them both here we dont know what level of strength they amped too, not to mention one had to focus all his strength on the arm while colossus was being restrained by 4 other cl 100s.
they was giving namor trouble too

unless someone is holding down colossus i dont see namor breaking his arm

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


Having your arm literally broken by some fodder Nimrod isn't a bad showing? Hahahaha. despite being a fodder nimrod he was still class 100 and amped his strength and all of it was focused on his arm.

yes givin thor was being held down somehow , a class 100 nimrod would compensate for his strength and break his arm also...

this is like 5 guys holding down goldberg, while one focus on breaking his arm
a single arm from goldberg isnt overpowering someones entire body

nimrod smaking juggernaut around
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix5/nimrod-earth-811007.jpg

few feats of colossus
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/51954/977630-uncannyxmenannual07page182ma.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/33806/1231570-121_x_campus_3.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/11352/783220-colossusandjuggernaut102_super.jpg

lifting the core of a neutron star
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/31499/769595-colossus_00.jpg

Those Nimrods were fodder compared to the fomirdability of the original in my opinion.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
despite being a fodder nimrod he was still class 100 and amped his strength and all of it was focused on his arm.

yes givin thor was being held down somehow , a class 100 nimrod would compensate for his strength and break his arm also...

this is like 5 guys holding down goldberg, while one focus on breaking his arm
a single arm from goldberg isnt overpowering someones entire body

Where does it say they were Class 100? I'm curious as I've seen this thrown around but don't recall their strength level in particular being mentioned.

Lol, nah. I doubt that would happen.

I'll give your analogy points for creativity.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Those Nimrods were fodder compared to the fomirdability of the original in my opinion.



Where does it say they were Class 100? I'm curious as I've seen this thrown around but don't recall their strength level in particular being mentioned.

Lol, nah. I doubt that would happen.

I'll give your analogy points for creativity. handbooks.

whats stopping him from amping to the level of breaking thors arm if thor was held down?

also a classic nimrod was put down by colossus before in old comic
classic nimrods never caused that much trouble for colossus

Originally posted by ankur29
hold on , what i meant is that obviously hulk becomes stronger ...

but wwh has a base strength too from which he amps just that the base is much higher than savage but still not on hydrated namor,thor and herc level

Dude, WWH took on a Sentry who was holding nothing back.

One shotted Thing

Took down Hercules

Took on Classic Juggs

Zom Strange, etc...

Namor is not at that level....at all.


Oh, and about Namor struggling with that piece of machinery....it made him look weak, why? He had his black suit which keeps him hydarated...and he's on New Avalon for God's sake, they're on a f*ckin peninsula, if he wants to get wet, he can just go outside and jump in the water.

Colossus has held a piece of machinery that was much larger than that, with one hand for like...a few hours.


And it's not a bad showing that Colossus lost to the Nimrods, they compensated for every mutant power, and took the simplest route to overcome it. The simplest thing for Namor was dehydrating him....they could have broken his arm the same way if they felt like it.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
nimrod smaking juggernaut around
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix5/nimrod-earth-811007.jpg

few feats of colossus
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/51954/977630-uncannyxmenannual07page182ma.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/33806/1231570-121_x_campus_3.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/11352/783220-colossusandjuggernaut102_super.jpg

lifting the core of a neutron star
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/31499/769595-colossus_00.jpg

That's the Nimrod, not fodder.

Second scan is from a totally different reality and the last one looks like Astonishing X-Men promo picture.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
handbooks.

There exist no such handbook. Again, you're thinking about the real deal.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW



There exist no such handbook. Again, you're thinking about the real deal. Wasn't it stated these Nimrods had the same abillities of the original?

Originally posted by KingD19
wants to get wet, he can just go outside and jump in the water.

Colossus has held a piece of machinery that was much larger than that, with one hand for like...a few hours.

You mean this one?
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus/th_ColossusstaminaAvgann10.jpg

Or this one?
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus/th_Colossus35tons.jpg

Both.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Wasn't it stated these Nimrods had the same abillities of the original?

I don't think it was.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I don't think it was. Can you find a quote where it says they are not equal to the original or are you assuming it?

It makes sense to assume that the Nimrods are the same as the original, they're just mass produced.

After all, they are Sentinels...just Sentinels from the future.

We mass produce current Sentinels, why can't they in the future mass produce Nimrods?

Rockslide who is Class 75 was getting overpowered by one of them.

Originally posted by KingD19
It makes sense to assume that the Nimrods are the same as the original, they're just mass produced.

After all, they are Sentinels...just Sentinels from the future.

We mass produce current Sentinels, why can't they in the future mass produce Nimrods?

Don't seem to have all the powers like the original, like shape shifting, don't seem to have a very powerful forcefield iff they even have one or take controle of other machine's or robots.

And they lake the experience the original had.

Originally posted by Brutacus
Don't seem to have all the powers like the original, like shape shifting, don't seem to have a very powerful forcefield iff they even have one or take controle of other machine's or robots.

And they lake the experience the original had.

True, well look at it this way...they're Sentinels of the future...while Bastion and the original Nimrod are Alpha Sentinels of the future.

THe new Nimrods are dumbed down a bit...but they certainly aren't just fodder.

Originally posted by ankur29
yeah i'd say wwh is about adult colossus level (several thousand tons) without further amping wheras hydrated namour is tens of thousands if not hundred banner-hulk braced the mountain dropped on the heroes by molecule man while not mad at all, he had to get tricked into getting mad by reed.

in "base strength", king hulk > banner-hulk by leaps and bounds.

adult colossus can suck it uhuh

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
handbooks.

whats stopping him from amping to the level of breaking thors arm if thor was held down?

also a classic nimrod was put down by colossus before in old comic
classic nimrods never caused that much trouble for colossus

Scans or reference? Apparently they don't exist.

Besides Thor's durability?

Don't recall that happening. Pretty sure Nimrod one shotted Colossus along with Nightcrawler using some sort of an attack back during the Juggernaut fight. I don't think Colossus got up again. Rogue used a combination of her powers, Nightcrawler's, and Colossus' to defeat Nimrod near the end. Well, she destroyed his body and I think he retreated or something similar.

Originally posted by KingD19
Oh, and about Namor struggling with that piece of machinery....it made him look weak, why? He had his black suit which keeps him hydarated...and he's on New Avalon for God's sake, they're on a f*ckin peninsula, if he wants to get wet, he can just go outside and jump in the water.

Obviously the suit isn't infallible or reducing the ambient humidity in the air won't have been an effective tactic against him in the first place. I'm pretty sure I've seen Namor dive into the water to get himself back to full strength. Richard's designed it to keep him hydrated, but it's just one of those things that gets forgotten about.

And like I said before, I'm pretty certain this was right after fighting the Nimrods on the bridge.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
You mean this one?
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus/th_ColossusstaminaAvgann10.jpg

Or this one?
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Colossus/th_Colossus35tons.jpg

That's pretty impressive. Surely trumps anything Namor has done recently. I mean, it's not as if he was supporting all of Utopia or anything....

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/xmenvsatlas02a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/xmenvsatlas02b.jpg
Thanks to Liam

bump

Ben's gonna fight Namor soon in AvX.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
From what I've seen, the best Thing has done against the Hulk was last like a few pages.

I think Hulk even beat Thing once when they traded bodies. Not sure.

I don't think it would be a stomp but I've seen Namor overpower Thing pretty swiftly. He even took him out in one shot but that might have been in the Heroes Reborn Universe. Not too sure. I saw a scan floating around here where Namor was able to easily defeat Pineapple Thing but I haven't read the actual comic myself.

On land, they'd probably trade some blows with Namor overpowering and taking out the Thing eventually. In water however, I'd expect Namor to deal with the Thing pretty swiftly.

The best Ben has done against Namor was when he pulled him out of water against his will back near Namor's introduction I believe.

I think their separate performances against the Sentry is a good indicator of the strength gap between the two. Not using that as evidence mind you but I think it indicates the strength difference in the same light I do. I'm too lazy to think of any direct comparisons. You could use the Hulk as well I guess.




That's absolute B.S. Namor's never one shotted The THING scan please. Namor and Ben have fought quite often and at the very worst it's a split between them. I cannot remember many if any instances where one on one... One has been KO'd by the other.

That being said, The team wins everytime.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
That's absolute B.S. Namor's never one shotted The THING scan please. Namor and Ben have fought quite often and at the very worst it's a split between them. I cannot remember many if any instances where one on one... One has been KO'd by the other.

That being said, The team wins everytime.


I agree.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
bump

Ben's gonna fight Namor soon in AvX.



I EXCITED

Ben needs no Colossus to win this.

What is namor's best speed feat? what is his top speed in the air and water?

I hope Namor won't screw up in round 2 against Thing...

hope not

Either solos. I lost all hope in Namor since that showing. I hate Marvel.

Ben is the new sliced bread yo... You better recognize.

Originally posted by carver9
Either solos. I lost all hope in Namor since that showing. I hate Marvel.

they make me mad also

Originally posted by carver9
Either solos. I lost all hope in Namor since that showing. I hate Marvel.



One showing of blatant PIS and you give up on the character?

Namor has fought Hulk, Rulk, Thor, Abomination, Hercules, Surfer etc. under the sea. We have enough feats for him to know where he ranks, he should have beaten Ben.

The worst part is that somehow a few rocks manage to pin someone of Namor's caliber and that he was attacked by a sea creature. He's a high end class 100 who can communicate with sea life, that should not happen.

It's my fault for expecting anything even a bit entertaining, this fight was written by an inexperienced writer after all, and what do there kind know?

This was serious jobbing on his part though. Namor taking on beings like Luke Cage and the Thing is just straight up insulting, it's like there was a shortage of bricks so they just paired them up. All you have to do is look at the third page of this very thread to find evidence of Namor being in a completely different league.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus It's my fault for expecting anything even a bit entertaining, this fight was written by a woman after all, and what do there kind know?

Not cool, man

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Not cool, man

Really, too far? I've read a lot worse on here.

Alright I'll edit, wouldn't want to offend your sensibilities.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


One showing of blatant PIS and you give up on the character?

Namor has fought Hulk, Rulk, Thor, Abomination, Hercules, Surfer etc. under the sea. We have enough feats for him to know where he ranks, he should have beaten Ben.

The worst part is that somehow a few rocks manage to pin someone of Namor's caliber and that he was attacked by a sea creature. He's a high end class 100 who can communicate with sea life, that should not happen.

It's my fault for expecting anything even a bit entertaining, this fight was written by an inexperienced writer after all, and what do there kind know?

This was serious jobbing on his part though. Namor taking on beings like Luke Cage and the Thing is just straight up insulting, it's like there was a shortage of bricks so they just paired them up. All you have to do is look at the third page of this very thread to find evidence of Namor being in a completely different league.

From what it looked like, he slapped Ben with the fish, and somehow knocked himself for a loop as well. And with everybody on that list, you have to include Blue Marvel as well, one of the heaviest hitters recently introduced. Namor caught him in the Marianas trench and they scrapped. According to Namor, only the Hulk has ever hit him that hard. Now if he can take hits like that and keep fighting, I don't think Ben should be able to do what he did. Namor shouldn't have walked away the loser in that fight, especially after the push he's gotten lately.

Originally posted by KingD19
From what it looked like, he slapped Ben with the fish, and somehow knocked himself for a loop as well. And with everybody on that list, you have to include Blue Marvel as well, one of the heaviest hitters recently introduced. Namor caught him in the Marianas trench and they scrapped. According to Namor, only the Hulk and Thor have ever hit him that hard. Now if he can take hits like that and keep fighting, I don't think Ben should be able to do what he did. Namor shouldn't have walked away the loser in that fight, especially after the push he's gotten lately.

Fixed.

Yea, that shit was bizarre. Namor's was doing pretty well lately but it seems like he's going to get jobbed for this entire event.

And re-reading the fight, those little caption boxes with fun facts are abysmal. That's the kind of shit that gets comic books mocked by the average person.

Originally posted by KingD19
From what it looked like, he slapped Ben with the fish, and somehow knocked himself for a loop as well. And with everybody on that list, you have to include Blue Marvel as well, one of the heaviest hitters recently introduced. Namor caught him in the Marianas trench and they scrapped. According to Namor, only the Hulk has ever hit him that hard. Now if he can take hits like that and keep fighting, I don't think Ben should be able to do what he did. Namor shouldn't have walked away the loser in that fight, especially after the push he's gotten lately.

The guy just held up a freaking Island and punches was stated as being capable of shaking Earth during a fist scuffle. Ben should have been on the losing end during that fight, even with Luke help. Oh well, I don't ignore on panel evidence and it happened. Ben got the win for now.

It's like Cheetah (Or was it Wonder Woman? One of those two anyways) getting manhandled by Bane. It's stupid as shit, but it happens.

Bendis and Fraction are on AvX right?

Explains the dumb.

There was an amped version of Cheetah that stomped all up and down Wonder Woman, who turned right around and get her arm snapped by Cat Woman. It's stuff like that that makes you take a step back and wonder how the creative process gets so skewed sometimes.

And this whole event is basically them giving the Avengers wins they don't deserve because they're they Avengers.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It's like Cheetah (Or was it Wonder Woman? One of those two anyways) getting manhandled by Bane. It's stupid as shit, but it happens.

But the difference is, Ben and Namor will be fighting again (as soon as he breaks free) and looking at this encounter, he might lose again. I don't understand why these people that are writing these comics don't read up on these characters first, at least get a understanding of their power level before picking up a pencil, upsetting people that actually have knowledge of the characters. Seems like everyone's power level is going all over the place.

Does any of these writers visit comic book forums? That would really help them.

marvel's editors seem lazy as hell honestly.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
marvel's editors seem lazy as hell honestly.

I agree 100%. Especially them having class 100s only punching as hard as a speeding car. WTF?

speeding *trucks* can't even damage certain concrete road blocks.

And yet namor (and ben), somehow only hit as hard as cars going less than 70 mph. lol.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
speeding *trucks* can't even damage certain concrete road blocks.

And yet namor (and ben), somehow only hit as hard as cars going less than 70 mph. lol.

Originally posted by carver9
But the difference is, Ben and Namor will be fighting again (as soon as he breaks free) and looking at this encounter, he might lose again. I don't understand why these people that are writing these comics don't read up on these characters first, at least get a understanding of their power level before picking up a pencil, upsetting people that actually have knowledge of the characters. Seems like everyone's power level is going all over the place.

Does any of these writers visit comic book forums? That would really help them. Originally posted by CosmicComet
marvel's editors seem lazy as hell honestly.

+100000

I wish we could rep people on this forum.

But having said that, this can't be a "mistake" by noob writers. Marvel's biggest names are working on this event. Power levels fluctuate over the years and maybe this is where Marvel sees Namor power wise (Thing level). IMHO this is very disrespectful seeing as how Namor is one of their oldest characters and the original mutant. Oh well....

As of now, Team wins 10/10 and it's not close.

Originally posted by zopzop
+100000

I wish we could rep people on this forum.

But having said that, this can't be a "mistake" by noob writers. Marvel's biggest names are working on this event. Power levels fluctuate over the years and maybe this is where Marvel sees Namor power wise (Thing level). IMHO this is very disrespectful seeing as how Namor is one of their oldest characters and the original mutant. Oh well....

As of now, Team wins 10/10 and it's not close.

Power levels do fluctuate, but recently Namor's power levels have been going up, not down to Thing's level. This is just them letting the Avengers "shine" despite them being in the wrong morally and up against opponents they shouldn't be able to beat as convincingly as they did.

Euh, Thing solos. But I guess everyone know that already?

Someone needs to give the giant fish some prop's for what he contributed to the fight.

I've seen Namor one-shot pineapple thing. the metal guy would be a challenge himself, but utilizing flight and speed I think Namor could at least split to low majority on land, with a higher majority in a rainstorm.

He wouldn't be able to get a majority with Colossalnaut running around. He literally can't put him down. Especially if he goes demon.

I must assume hes an up grade over normal colossus then?

Lol, seriously? He's basically got Juggernaut powers stacked over his own, and then he can go into a "demon" form which makes him even more powerful.

It's generally a very underwhelming amp and does him no favors in terms of decent character development.

Character development wise maybe, but not the powers themselves.

He took on Kuurth, easily in the top 3 most powerful Chosen, probably even with Nul.

As Colossus, he smacked down War Machine.

And just now of course he was on the verge of killing Rulk before he went back to normal and let him win.

Thing has been improved since his times as Pineapple Thing. Besides, his fighting skills are all around better than Namor's flirt

Originally posted by Bentley
Thing has been improved since his times as Pineapple Thing. Besides, his fighting skills are all around better than Namor's flirt

Namor's improved as well. He fought with Blue Marvel and did okay, the guy who almost split the moon in half with a punch because he had a tissy fit and punched Sentry into orbit.

That certainly sounds like an upgrade for colossus. Rulk? Honestly I cant comment on this new version which I know nothing about.

Pineapple thing was an upgrade in itself. Namor still made short work of him.

And Daredevil punked Wolverine with a pressure point, but I'm not going around saying Daredevil walks through Wolverine any given day right? There are several instances in which Thing has defeated Namor and even the likes of Blastaar proving he can beat the guys in the upper echealon consistently, in average this guys are more evently matched than most people think.

Originally posted by namorsubby
That certainly sounds like an upgrade for colossus. Rulk? Honestly I cant comment on this new version which I know nothing about.

Pineapple thing was an upgrade in itself. Namor still made short work of him.
Do you have a scan or issue number for this Namor/Pineapple Thing showdown?
Originally posted by Bentley
And Daredevil punked Wolverine with a pressure point, but I'm not going around saying Daredevil walks through Wolverine any given day right? There are several instances in which Thing has defeated Namor and even the likes of Blastaar proving he can beat the guys in the upper echealon consistently, in average this guys are more evently matched than most people think.
Prior to this debacle, when has Thing ever straight up beaten Namor in a fight? What were the circumstances?

On average, Namor is much more impressive.

Voided sentry.....yeah
Originally posted by namorsubby
Namor Vs Sentry


Dark Avengers-Uncanny X-Men - Exodus #1:

Namor fights Sentry for the 2nd time. Note that when sentry leaves the fight Namor appears to be fine, and standing unscaffed, perhaps perplexed at his departure......this is after sentry flys him through two buildings and plows him into the ground with enough force to cause considerable damage to the landscape. still though, namor couldn't seem to do much to sentry here.

I included this cover cause i like it
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/th_DAUXMExodus01MrShepherd-Meganpg01bs.jpg


http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/th_DAUXMExodus01MrShepherd-Meganpg13.jpghttp://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/th_DAUXMExodus01MrShepherd-Meganpg14.jpghttp://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/th_DAUXMExodus01MrShepherd-Meganpg18.jpghttp://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/th_DAUXMExodus01MrShepherd-Meganpg22.jpg

Originally posted by zopzop
Do you have a scan or issue number for this Namor/Pineapple Thing showdown?
It was a Namor annual from the early 90s. I'll find it. He was also fighting the rest of the f4, hulk, and cap in that scene.

Originally posted by namorsubby
It was a Namor annual from the early 90s. I'll find it. He was also fighting the rest of the f4, hulk, and cap in that scene. heres the whole scene
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/NamorAnn1-48NastyNat.jpg
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/NamorAnn1-48NastyNat.jpg
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/NamorTheSub-Mariner037p12.jpg
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/NamorAnn1-51NastyNat.jpg
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/NamorAnn1-52NastyNat.jpg
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/NamorAnn1-53NastyNat.jpg

Originally posted by namorsubby
heres the whole scene
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/NamorAnn1-47NastyNat.jpg
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/NamorAnn1-48NastyNat.jpg
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/NamorAnn1-49NastyNat.jpg
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/NamorAnn1-50NastyNat.jpg
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/NamorAnn1-51NastyNat.jpg
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/NamorAnn1-52NastyNat.jpg
http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/NamorAnn1-53NastyNat.jpg
messed up the first time. Heres the scene.

Originally posted by namorsubby
I've seen Namor one-shot pineapple thing. the metal guy would be a challenge himself, but utilizing flight and speed I think Namor could at least split to low majority on land, with a higher majority in a rainstorm.




I'd love to know the issue and see the scan on that one "Namor one-shot pineapple thing". Ben has fought Namor 100 times above and below the water and that has never happened.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Someone needs to give the giant fish some prop's for what he contributed to the fight.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Someone needs to give the giant fish some prop's for what he contributed to the fight.



There was definitely something fishy about it...

Originally posted by Tony Stark


I'd love to know the issue and see the scan on that one "Namor one-shot pineapple thing". Ben has fought Namor 100 times above and below the water and that has never happened. umm the scans are right above this post you posted.lol

Namor loses on land, wins in a rainstorm.

Originally posted by zopzop


Prior to this debacle, when has Thing ever straight up beaten Namor in a fight? What were the circumstances? one time, a LONG time ago. That was around the time Namor was making the whole F4 look like pansies anyway.

Namors beaten him around 6 times, with the one loss, and stalemates in the double digits, admittedly. I've also heard they fought very recently though(or are about to). If they have, I haven't seen it.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
There was definitely something fishy about it...

Gotta love the respective battle cries

Namor: Imperius Rex!!

Thing: URGHRSL!!!

Originally posted by namorsubby
umm the scans are right above this post you posted.lol


Yeah, I saw that after my post... Sorry.

But,

A. That book was horribly written.
B. They never showed Ben being knocked out.
C. That is just your assumption.
D. And a bad one at that.

Ben Solo's, haven't you been reading comics lately?

Originally posted by namorsubby
one time, a LONG time ago. That was around the time Namor was making the whole F4 look like pansies anyway.

Namors beaten him around 6 times, with the one loss, and stalemates in the double digits, admittedly. I've also heard they fought very recently though(or are about to). If they have, I haven't seen it.




Where are you getting your facts from? 6 to 1...?

Originally posted by Tony Stark


Where are you getting your facts from? 6 to 1...? lol, from comics. I'm a bit of a namor fan.

Oh, and btw, their recent fight was not a win for thing. Namor left the water when he did, and I'm pretty sure that fish caused him damage in image 14. I guess its just another edition to their long list of "stalemates", or inconclusive battles.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Yeah, I saw that after my post... Sorry.

But,

A. That book was horribly written.
B. They never showed Ben being knocked out.
C. That is just your assumption.
D. And a bad one at that.

A. Lol, of course....the character that you wanted to win didn't.
B. Ummm, yeah.....re-check the scans.lol
C. Whats my assumption?
D. And why is it bad? Lol

Originally posted by carver9
Either solos. I lost all hope in Namor since that showing. I hate Marvel. Namor was apparently done in by his own strength with the whole fish-swinging thing. Either way, he was soaring in the air just as Ben was declared the "winner."

Ben has his good days. Namor has his bad days.

Originally posted by namorsubby
lol, from comics. I'm a bit of a namor fan.

Oh, and btw, their recent fight was not a win for thing. Namor left the water when he did, and I'm pretty sure that fish caused him damage in image 14. I guess its just another edition to their long list of "stalemates", or inconclusive battles.


Could you please do me a favor and give me the stats on the comics that Namor ends up on panel beating Ben 6 to 1? Because I'm not sure that I've seen them. Issue #'s please.

And btw for the recent fight, It's stated as a THING (Avengers) win right there on the page.

"For now". It's a temporary win at best.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Ben has his good days. Namor has his bad days. Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
"For now". It's a temporary win at best.

It's actually more than merely a bad showing, it was a stomp. Thing beat Namor, in Namor's own ELEMENT, and then casually strutted away while Namor was pinned to the ground.

No matter how you look at it : "bad day" or only "for now", it was a stomp. Unless Namor comes back and totally mangles the Thing (ON LAND) AND they explain why he couldn't beat Thing underwater, this fight places Namor solely in the mid/high Meta Tier.

Sad day for Namor fans. This whole AvX event is just more horse sh|t from Marvel (joining Fear Itself and Chaos War in infamy).

Originally posted by zopzop
It's actually more than merely a bad showing, it was a stomp. Thing beat Namor, in Namor's own ELEMENT, and then casually strutted away while Namor was pinned to the ground.

No matter how you look at it : "bad day" or only "for now", it was a stomp. Unless Namor comes back and totally mangles the Thing (ON LAND) AND they explain why he couldn't beat Thing underwater, this fight places Namor solely in the mid/high Meta Tier.

Sad day for Namor fans. This whole AvX event is just more horse sh|t from Marvel (joining Fear Itself and Chaos War in infamy).


It was pretty much a stomp IMO too bro... And AvX so far has been unfortunately spotty.

No bfr current colossus solos. Even with bfr i don't think namor can take an all out colossus now or get him position to bfr. Current namor does not impress me

One showing doesn't negate an entire history. Prisoner of the moment, much.

namor Ftw, still.