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Daken
Wolverine
Sabretooth
X-23
Omega Red

vs.

Captain America
Deathstroke
Midnighter
Punisher
Batman


The battle takes place in a deserted "Jurassic Park". The weather is stormy. They start on opposite sides of the island. Fight is to the death and all combatants are willing to do whatever it takes. All characters have standard gear. Tactics team gets info and 30 minutes prep.

Omega Red solo's, entire team 2 passes out within 30 seconds.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Omega Red solo's, entire team 2 passes out within 30 seconds.

Midnighter will know before the fight even starts that Omega Red has that said ability and how to counteract it. Batman has a mask as standard gear and with prep time the others will as well.

omega spores has bn shown to be various different things from pure psionic energy leeching of life force to a radioactive energy field to some kind of breathable spores...

either way omega has killed ppl with the spores while they are wearing hazmat suits and respirators

Originally posted by Lunacyde
Midnighter will know before the fight even starts that Omega Red has that said ability and how to counteract it. Batman has a mask as standard gear and with prep time the others will as well.
if they get prep they win, it pretty much how ever thread with batman an prep go. He has so much shit some of which deal with individuals many times this groups abilities.

that is assuming they get 30 minutes prep prior to getting on the island.

anyway in this site you wont get many ppl who will bye the million scenerio power of midnighter as the bases for his win. hence he will be given a loss unless he has a comic feat showing the ability to counter and fight under a similar condition..

there are very few midnighter fans here..

anyways they all die from omega's death spores in less time then dum dum said

Originally posted by King Castle
anyway in this site you wont get many ppl who will bye the million scenerio power of midnighter as the bases for his win. hence he will be given a loss unless he has a comic feat showing the ability to counter and fight under a similar condition..

there are very few midnighter fans here..

anyways they all die from omega's death spores in less time then dum dum said

The amount of fans for a character has nothing to do with anything. Battles are based on logic and facts, not fandom. There are literally dozens of situations where he has used his battle computer, read a book with him in it some time.

Also the Battle Computer isn't the only basis for him helping his team win. He also has a healing factor, redundent systems, and can go without breathing for long periods of time even while fighting.

Omega Red's "Death Spores" are a pheromone, and as such must at least come in contact with the being to harm them. Them effecting people in HAZMAT suits means that either those suits were like broken condoms, or piss poor writing. Lastly Omega Red's extended use of the pheromones is supposed to weaken him considerably requiring him to drain the life force of others.

Besides a number of characters on the Tactical Team have healing factors granting them a longer time before exposure kills them (although not a whole lot of time, just more than average humans). However all of this is moot considering the peromones must be inhaled and Sabretooth and Lady Deathstrike have worn breathing masks around him with success, not to mention Midnighter doesn't need to breathe.

like i said in the past there has bn different depiction of the death factor originally it was a psionic or radiation type deal/

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Originally posted by King Castle
like i said in the past there has bn different depiction of the death factor originally it was a psionic or radiation type deal/

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/3693/redsresurrectionfg0.png

Rules state the characters are the most recent versions unless specifically stated.

you are correct but the current version of omega red was still able to effect a being who doesnt breath and doesnt have any normal human function aka Colossus.

if it was just spores it wouldnt ever effect colossus in powered up form.

Logically it wouldn't but I'd check that off as poor writing since they have explicitly said it's a pheromone meaning it would need to be inhaled, and since LD and Sabes were able to negate it's effect by wearing breathing masks. Writers can make mistakes.

i dont ever recall Sabretooth ever wearing a gas mask when fighting omega red. i seriously chalked up lady deathstrike needing one as poor writing since she is mostly machine rather then living tissue.

but even if she needed th gas mask there are other more modern depiction that would suggest that the spore are psionic.

example is when it is stated that omega is using the "death factor" to drain the life of others as he powers himself up..

the death spores are just a fraction of his powers to wither and kill things the death factor itself is what drains and powers him up sometimes it is used while he channels it to his tendrils other times he uses the death factor the same as the death spores in a wide spread attack.

example when he fought logan in the russian prison logan noted every time he hurt omega, omega simply drew the life force of the prisoners and added it to his own and healed.

again the deathspore is just a small aspect he also has the death factor being used as well similarly as the death spores only difference is he powers up with the death factor.

If it was psionic, Chamber from Generation X wouldn't have been completely immune to it when he beat him.

From what I have seen it takes OR to touch you with his physical body or tendrils to leech your life energy.

Originally posted by Lunacyde
From what I have seen it takes OR to touch you with his physical body or tendrils to leech your life energy. but he didnt use the tendrils in one of the last fight with logan. he simply used the death factor to draw the life force of teh prisoners and power back up to counter the damage logan was inflicting on him.

I am not familiar with the situation you speak of so for now I rest my case.

Originally posted by Lunacyde
Daken
Wolverine
Sabretooth
X-23
Omega Red

vs.

Captain America
Deathstroke
Midnighter
Punisher
Batman


The battle takes place in a deserted "Jurassic Park". The weather is stormy. They start on opposite sides of the island. Fight is to the death and all combatants are willing to do whatever it takes. All characters have standard gear. Tactics team gets info and 30 minutes prep.

Unkillable killers win and it's not really close. Maybe Midnighter won't be downed by omega red's death spores or they all get gas masks. So what? He'll get torn to pieces along with the others just the same.

Originally posted by King Castle
you are correct but the current version of omega red was still able to effect a being who doesnt breath and doesnt have any normal human function aka Colossus.

if it was just spores it wouldnt ever effect colossus in powered up form.

we don't know how colossus' body functions. we know he doesn't breathe or get tired, but bar that it's been heavily inconsistent.

Originally posted by Lunacyde


Sabretooth
Omega Red

vs.

Punisher
Batman


gtfo and take your fail with you.

Team 1 in a horrific stomp.

oh the anger...

it's cos i like Batman, and i hate to see people that spite him!

Are X-23 and Omega Red even 'feral'...?

Originally posted by Q99
Are X-23 and Omega Red even 'feral'...?
Team 1 are now classified as the next generation of an ancient race of "Lupines".

Romulus set Logan Creed Omega Red Wildchild and Daken against each other. To see who could take his throne.

If these guys work together. They murder Team 2. Midnighter won't be able to catch up.

Originally posted by Q99
Are X-23 and Omega Red even 'feral'...?

Laura is, rossovic is more of a psycho killer.

Originally posted by 753
Laura is, rossovic is more of a psycho killer.

She fights in the highly calculating manner she was trained with without showing emotion. That's like the opposite of feral, unless she gets trigger scent.

Originally posted by Q99
She fights in the highly calculating manner she was trained with without showing emotion. That's like the opposite of feral, unless she gets trigger scent.

She doesn't usually go berserk if that's what you mean, but not only is her powerset standard feral, her behavior is as well. Her cold and calculating habits are all associated with predation (that was honed into battle expertise by the facility) and she shows as much emotion as a predator on the pry - little to none. She also displays feral-like territorialism, protectionism of others and general reactions in her personal life. She even growls whenever she feels threatened or jealous. Her displays of baseline instinct are cruder than logan's whenever they happen.

Originally posted by 753
She doesn't usually go berserk if that's what you mean, but not only is her powerset standard feral, her behavior is as well. Her cold and calculating habits are all associated with predation (that was honed into battle expertise by the facility) and she displays feral-like territorialism, protectionism and general reactions in her personal life. She even growls whent she feels threatened or jealous. Her displays of baseline instinct are cruder than logan's whenever they happen.

Uh, growls? She doesn't really do that (outside of the Claremont written stuff or trigger scent), nor is she particularly territorial. She responds to most things in almost machinelike ways and is hyper-literal in her language, and has great problem with emotion.

And couldn't 'associated with predation' be said of pretty much any fighting? When I think feral fighting, I think aggressive and savage and instinctual, not calm and calculating and tactical with a cool head.

Originally posted by Q99
Uh, growls? She doesn't really do that (outside of the Claremont written stuff or trigger scent), nor is she particularly territorial. She responds to most things in almost machinelike ways and is hyper-literal in her language, and has great problem with emotion.

And couldn't 'associated with predation' be said of pretty much any fighting? When I think feral fighting, I think aggressive and savage and instinctual, not calm and calculating and tactical with a cool head.

That's the x-force portrayal. Young x-men and some of her previous appearences developped her better.

She hissed and unsheathed her claws when she saw noriko kissing hellion and has consistantly displayed territorial protection of both him and wolverine like sitting by hellion's bedside like a silent watchdog and eyeballing him like prey - very feral sexuality. She's snarled and growled on other occasions as well and even her cold glare is always portrayed as that of a quiet beast stalking.

She also cuts herself whenever emotions bubble up to the surface as she never learned how to deal with them. There's nothing machine-like about her, although that is what the facility was going for. She is simply efficient and quiet in the battlefield, her agression is as instinctive as wolverine, she's just more disciplined. She's as calculating as a jaguar in the same manner a jaguar is.

Originally posted by 753
That's the x-force portrayal. Young x-men and some of her previous appearences developped her better.

That's her portrayal in her two miniseries, New X-men, and X-Force, all of whom were done by her creators. 80-90% of X-23 stuff was written by the same people after all.

X-Force has her acting more emotionless because the events of Noriko kissing Hellion and then what happened during Messiah Complex scared her away from emotions.



Just watching him doesn't strike me as particularly feral when it's part of her assassins training too, she was trained to be highly observative.

Simply protecting others does not qualify as 'feral' either. It is showing emotions, but pretty normal ones. She carries them out in the method she was trained.

Also, she did not hiss when Noriko kissed Hellion. Her claws went out, she staired for a bit, then ran off to cut herself and when Mercury came she told Cessily she didn't understand what she was feelings and that she's scared she'd hurt someone. That's more emo than feral.

Basically she has little instinct except what was trained into her. She slowly shows more emotion during New X-men but when something outside her experience happens she retreats into herself. She's not particularly good at anything outside of her training. Anti-feral, she's the second most controlled, bottled up person here behind Batman.



Yes. 'Feral' tends to be very emotional, not cut off from emotions.



The cutting herself thing is what happens when she goes outside her comfort zone, which is her automatic, follow-orders-and-carry-out-missions mindset, which is pretty darn machine-line.

The battlefield especially she's non-feral, but most of the time she's pretty analytical too.

Originally posted by Q99
Just watching him doesn't strike me as particularly feral when it's part of her assassins training too, she was trained to be highly observative.

Simply protecting others does not qualify as 'feral' either. It is showing emotions, but pretty normal ones. She carries them out in the method she was trained. Yes, humans like all other animals have such protection instincts. It's the form in which she expresses it that was pretty obviously feral. Regular humans don't sit and stare nonstop at their loved ones like that. To me it was clear the writer was going for a display of protection instinct reminiscent of how wild animals show it. Standing guard.

Well, instinct, by definition, can't be traind into anybody. They built the traning on top of her natural stalking and killing instincts, atempting to reign them under their control so they could be used on comand. Wolverine went through the progammes too, he fights with both animalistic savagery and calculating tactics at the same time. She is of course colder in her demeanor than him.



I wouldn't say that. One can behave very emotionally, completelly out of control even, and not be or seem feral at all, like thor going berserk. Likewise, wild animals stalking prey don't display anger or even agression.

It's not how emotional they are that makes them feral, it's how they are designed to remind us of wild animals and base instinct through posture, expression and looks. This can be acomplished through a wolverine berserk rage fit, but it can also be shown by her cold, single-minded drive to get her prey.



I agree that's why she does it, bu I think we'll have to agree to disagree on our interpretations of feral behavior. I'd say that even her obedience is more similar to an attack dog's than to an actual automatom.