General Eiling (Shaggy Man) Vs General Ross (Rulk)

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Prep-Man
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Prep-Man
bump!

Bentley
The last time we saw Shaggy Man he got some of his apendages destroyed by Check Mate, I say he still takes this at least 7/10.

Galan007
Likely the General, as he doesn't have a specific type of energy for Rulk to absorb.

Stoic
Are there any scans that could suggest Eiling being Rulks physical superior?

Maitresse Stern
Ealing and pretty easily, he knocks Supes around.

Gecko4lif
Originally posted by Stoic
Are there any scans that could suggest Eiling being Rulks physical superior?

Eiling running through the Justice league like a train through a day care

Stoic
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Eiling running through the Justice league like a train through a day care


Has Rulk not done some pretty impressive feats himself? There are many characters from other comic companies that could do the same to the JLA and the JSA combined.

Omega Vision
Does Rulk have the Loeb force?

Prep-Man
Also, took a blast of Astro Force without breaking a sweat.

Stoic
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Does Rulk have the Loeb force?


I thought that all of the feats were canon.

Galan007
I wouldn't even give Hulk the win against GE -- and Hulk is significantly > Rulk.

Parmaniac
Originally posted by Stoic
I thought that all of the feats were canon. They are but their still stupid and he suddenly was way weaker (after he turned good) and then he was officially depowered.

Stoic
Originally posted by Parmaniac
They are but their still stupid and he suddenly was way weaker (after he turned good) and then he was officially depowered.


Well I have to see this in future comics. He recently looked very powerful to me.

Eiling has no business to be compared to the World Breaker, until he ante's up.

carver9
Rulk 8/10. Batman and his crew was riping through Shaggy man like nothing.

Rulk literally rips him in half.

King Castle
General Eiling is pretty soft batman was able to blow chunks off with batarang explosives which wouldnt work on Rulk or hulk or thor..

the one other time i recall the batarang working is with amazo but, we really need to separate PIS with likely outcome of that particular attack.

but, he is hard to put down since he regenerates at fantastical speed ala deadpool...

only way for Rulk to win is to BFR him which he is more then able to due to his intelligence and prior attack with thor. i can see Rulk sending him to the moon and launching him off into space.

carver9
Originally posted by King Castle
General Eiling is pretty soft batman was able to blow chunks off with batarang explosives which wouldnt work on Rulk or hulk or thor..

the one other time i recall the batarang working is with amazo but, we really need to separate PIS with likely outcome of that particular attack.

but, he is hard to put down since he regenerates at fantastical speed ala deadpool...

only way for Rulk to win is to BFR him which he is more then able to due to his intelligence and prior attack with thor. i can see Rulk sending him to the moon and launching him off into space.

You forgot about enchantress blowing his arms off as well. Rulk literally rip him in half and throw both ends to each side of the planet or just punch his head off.

King Castle
nah... general eiling took a mach 1 bull rush punch from WW and Supes.. his head wont come off.

but if rulk did rip it off general eiling consciousness would probably die and be replaced by the original shaggy man..roar!!!

i dont see why General eiling cant be ko'ed after a while if the general consensus of some posters is that a HF does not negate ko'es... shifty

Galan007
Rulk could "just punch his head off"? Sorry, but I couldn't help but laugh. GE was slapping around Supes, Orion, and J'onn at the same time. Hell, he even tanked the friggin' Astro Force. Rulk isn't harming him -- not at all.

jalek moye
Rulk's hits were literally nothing to WWhulk. I see something similar happening

janus77
Rulk FTW, imo.

at his highest, he knocked Uatu on his arse with a single punch, knocked out Grandmaster and was too fast for IronMan to even think about tagging.

I think that reasonably trumps beating up Superman, Orion and the rest.

janus77
Originally posted by jalek moye
Rulk's hits were literally nothing to WWhulk. I see something similar happening
different Hulk, much more in control, much much stronger. can't really base it off of that.

Johnny Sorrow
Eiling stomp.

Parmaniac
Originally posted by janus77
Rulk FTW, imo.

at his highest, he knocked Uatu on his arse with a single punch, knocked out Grandmaster and was too fast for IronMan to even think about tagging. Originally posted by Parmaniac
he suddenly was way weaker (after he turned good) and then he was officially depowered.

Galan007
Originally posted by janus77
Rulk FTW, imo.

at his highest, he knocked Uatu on his arse with a single punch, knocked out Grandmaster and was too fast for IronMan to even think about tagging. ...Yet he's still FAR inferior to Hulk -- and by Rulk's own accord, Thor could've killed him had Hulk not intervened. So yeah.

janus77
Originally posted by Galan007
...Yet he's still FAR inferior to Hulk -- and by Rulk's own accord, Thor could've killed him had Hulk not intervened. So yeah.
Ross' estimations don't count for anything, to be honest. he knows nothing of what his powers could or would do, as is frequently reinforced in the comics.

Savage Hulk taught him that the angrier he got, the hotter he got, Savage Hulk exploited that, Ross didn't even know. Ross thought he could absorb current Hulk (Banner Hulk?) too, like he did with Savage, didn't workout at all. He thought he was stronger, that failed too. Ross beat Thor to a pulp so fast it's beyond saving. that kind of thing doesn't happen to Thor much, last instance I can recall is Trion Juggernaut.

current Hulk is, in my opinion, where Pak said WWH was, around Skyfather level, in terms of power. makes sense that he would have been sufficient to empower Rulk in the first place.

Galan007
Originally posted by janus77
Ross' estimations don't count for anything, to be honest. Whatever you say. wink

janus77
your avatar looks like a man desperately holding in a weeks worth of puke :P

Stoic
Originally posted by janus77
Rulk FTW, imo.

at his highest, he knocked Uatu on his arse with a single punch, knocked out Grandmaster and was too fast for IronMan to even think about tagging.

I think that reasonably trumps beating up Superman, Orion and the rest.


Originally posted by janus77
different Hulk, much more in control, much much stronger. can't really base it off of that.


Is it true that Rulk was officially depowered?

Bentley
Originally posted by Galan007
...Yet he's still FAR inferior to Hulk -- and by Rulk's own accord, Thor could've killed him had Hulk not intervened. So yeah.

Also Balder said later on Thor could've killed Rulk if he didn't hold back, leading even more credence to Ross's words.

Stoic
Originally posted by janus77
your avatar looks like a man desperately holding in a weeks worth of puke :P



Galan no offense brah, but that sig is tough.



laughing out loud

janus77
I didn't see it mentioned anywhere in the comics. the only on-panel de-powering that I know of is when Galactus stripped the Power Cosmic from him. he only had that for a brief moment.


other than that, he's just been up and down, up when faced with powerful foes, down when dealing with street levellers and such. like Hulk is with Thor and Thing.

Galan007
Originally posted by janus77
your avatar looks like a man desperately holding in a weeks worth of puke :P Don't mistake my avy with your porn fetishes. wink

janus77
Originally posted by Galan007
Don't mistake my avy with your porn fetishes. wink
oh no, I was just concerned for your/its... medical health confused

Galan007
Uhuh. shifty

Bentley
Originally posted by janus77
I didn't see it mentioned anywhere in the comics. the only on-panel de-powering that I know of is when Galactus stripped the Power Cosmic from him. he only had that for a brief moment.


other than that, he's just been up and down, up when faced with powerful foes, down when dealing with street levellers and such. like Hulk is with Thor and Thing.


Mmmh... I think he mentions something in the issue where he fights Thing, he said he was weakened so even Thing was kicking his ast. It must have happened just before Fall of the Hulks, at some point where I stopped reading the Hulk comic book.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by janus77
your avatar looks like a man desperately holding in a weeks worth of puke :P
Looks more like a man desperately holding back the urge to smack his annoying kids.

Starscream M
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Looks more like a man desperately holding back the urge to smack his annoying kids. doesn't look like a man to me.

janus77
Originally posted by Bentley
Mmmh... I think he mentions something in the issue where he fights Thing, he said he was weakened so even Thing was kicking his ast. It must have happened just before Fall of the Hulks, at some point where I stopped reading the Hulk comic book.
yeah, he said absorbing Negative Zone energies was draining, but then, he was back at full strength before he fought Cosmic Hulk (and then he had the extra juice drained from him by the Intelligencia, in order to make the Hulked out Heroes).

it's a bit confusing in that he states he was made from energy siphoned from WWH, but then on top of that, he siphoned energy from Uatu, Surfer, Thor and Savage Hulk (though he lost the Surfer energies) as he beat them...

by the time he faced off against Hulk again, Banner had all of the energies of the Hulked out Heroes as well as some of his own (returning him to WWH levels) and Rulk had whatever he'd originally gotten from WWH when the Intelligencia used the Cathexis ray to make him.

janus77
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Looks more like a man desperately holding back the urge to smack his annoying kids.
or someone who swallowed a faeces encrusted fly sick

Omega Vision
Originally posted by janus77
or someone who swallowed a faeces encrusted fly sick
You have a scatological fixation don't you?

janus77
Originally posted by Omega Vision
You have a scatological fixation don't you?
I'm just very observant, occasionally a bit random confused

King Kandy
Didn't Eiling get knocked out by a GL construct throwing a truck or something?

Stoic
I'm questioning Rulks ability to rip huge chunks of flesh from Eiling and throwing him to the four winds in pieces.

psycho gundam
a bat grenade did it (i lost the scan), and heat vision took his arm off

both of these ass.holes have weaksause moments that would spell utter doom for them both considereing their high feats.

Johnny Sorrow
Originally posted by psycho gundam
a bat grenade did it (i lost the scan)

and heat vision took his arm off

Which both regenerated in seconds. Not to mention that wasn't a typical grenade.

Warlord
Originally posted by Bentley
Also Balder said later on Thor could've killed Rulk if he didn't hold back, leading even more credence to Ross's words.

the writer said in an interview that Balder was refering to Hulk not Rulk

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by King Kandy
Didn't Eiling get knocked out by a GL construct throwing a truck or something?

A jeep I believe.

Eiling is being overrated. Early on Rulk would tear his head off in my opinion.

His healing factor was just ridiculous but his durability suffered for it.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Which both regenerated in seconds. Not to mention that wasn't a typical grenade. k, but considering previous debates on this forum with eiling, it was noted (i think by myself) that pc shaggy man when decapitated grew a new body and not a new head, this means that his head is the key to his regen.

rulk killed the abomination by cracking his head open with an increasing seismic shock to 9.0 (iirc) via ground and pound, eiling would get messed up if his head was shattered.

it's not going to help him that he can reform since rulk has a tendency to take out his opponent's domepiece




on the flip side rulk has some shitty moments himself

jalek moye
Rulk killed abombination with a Gun.

Warlord
Eiling was nowhere near impressive as the original shaggy man.
He tanked the astroforce but he was being mutilated by bat grebadees and heat vision.

Having said that Rulk had his eyes cut for a whole issue from Wolverine.

This Rulk should go down...However there was another Rulk who could kill the Grandmaster with 2 punches....meh

psycho gundam
Originally posted by jalek moye
Rulk killed abombination with a Gun. after beating him nearly to death

jalek moye
i was just saying, because you said he killed him with an earhquake causing strike.

psycho gundam
if it wasn't for the coma inducing beating, rulk wouldn't t have been standing over his corpse to shoot him like that in the first place

and the shooting was just for lulz, he could have kept punching him even after cracking his skull

Stoic
Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Which both regenerated in seconds. Not to mention that wasn't a typical grenade.


How much power can a grenade have? Is this the grenade that I heard of, that can rip apart the very fabric of space time? Just joking, but seriously though.

Lord_Talron
wouldnt any shaggy man feats be applicable to eiling since hes inhabiting a clone of shaggy man? anyways, the general takes this. pew pew

Prep-Man
Originally posted by King Kandy
Didn't Eiling get knocked out by a GL construct throwing a truck or something?

That was Hal and Hal fought the General for hours or something. Impressive showing for Hal.

King Kandy
Originally posted by Prep-Man
That was Hal and Hal fought the General for hours or something. Impressive showing for Hal.
Do you have the scan?

Prep-Man
Originally posted by King Kandy
Do you have the scan?

Here are some:

Creates a Shaggy Man construct and KO's him.

http://img151.imageshack.us/i/untitledscanned076rl.jpg/

Stalemates PC Shaggy Man for an hour.

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/JLA_186-17.jpg

Shrinks Shaggy Man down to small size.

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/9cfe652a.jpg

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/ec72667e.jpg

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/19a78923.jpg

Hal is a beast when he uses his powers wisely.

Bentley
Originally posted by Warlord
the writer said in an interview that Balder was refering to Hulk not Rulk


On panel evidence beats writer's declarations.

Warlord
and what's the on panel evidence exactly?
we can hardlly tell which hulk this is... not that it makes any difference

Philosophía
Eiling.

biensalsa
Eiling

OneDumbG0
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Here are some:

Creates a Shaggy Man construct and KO's him.

http://img151.imageshack.us/i/untitledscanned076rl.jpg/ Man. That's dumb. facepalm

Johnny Sorrow
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Here are some:

Creates a Shaggy Man construct and KO's him.

http://img151.imageshack.us/i/untitledscanned076rl.jpg/

Panel-wise it doesn't even make sense so the legitimacy content-wise is even more questionable.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Stalemates PC Shaggy Man for an hour.

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/JLA_186-17.jpg

Misleading title. Breaking through all of Jordan's constructs =/= stalemate. Hal himself admits that he can't do anything to faze Shaggy Man.

Originally posted by Prep-Man

Shrinks Shaggy Man down to small size.

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/9cfe652a.jpg

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/ec72667e.jpg

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/19a78923.jpg

Meh. Other Lanterns can and have done better matter manipulation feats while using less energy.

Prep-Man
Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Panel-wise it doesn't even make sense so the legitimacy content-wise is even more questionable.



Misleading title. Breaking through all of Jordan's constructs =/= stalemate. Hal himself admits that he can't do anything to faze Shaggy Man.



Meh. Other Lanterns can and have done better matter manipulation feats while using less energy.

what other matter manipulation feats are you referring to? Hal has way more matter manipulation feats than any other GL.

Johnny Sorrow
Originally posted by Prep-Man
what other matter manipulation feats are you referring to? Hal has way more matter manipulation feats than any other GL.

Kyle and Kilowog terraformed a large section of Thanagar to make it habitable, even accelerated the evolution of local plant life to provide oxygen.

Stoic
I'm still questioning Eiling's durability. Yes he can regenerate very quickly, but does Rulk just stand there and let him?

OneDumbG0
Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Kyle and Kilowog terraformed a large section of Thanagar to make it habitable, even accelerated the evolution of local plant life to provide oxygen. Nobody wants to discuss Kyle and Kilowog not simply transmuting the atmosphere into oxygen? No? Just checking.

Lord_Talron
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Nobody wants to discuss Kyle and Kilowog not simply transmuting the atmosphere into oxygen? No? Just checking. because without plant life, the oxygen would be only temporary

The Nuul
Rulk is a bad joke, theres only one Hulk and thats WWH/Green. Shags is on the same level or better than WWH. So, he stomps here.

Omega Vision
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Nobody wants to discuss Kyle and Kilowog not simply transmuting the atmosphere into oxygen? No? Just checking. Originally posted by Lord_Talron
because without plant life, the oxygen would be only temporary
Also accelerating the development of plant life to the degree that millions of years of evolution gets done in a matter of minutes or hours is more impressive than simply transmuting oxygen IMO.

OneDumbG0
^ I'm sure the Thanagarians who were forced to live in patches of atmosphere comforted themselves with the grandiosity of the feat itself instead of, yknow, having an entire planet's atmosphere being restored.Originally posted by Lord_Talron
because without plant life, the oxygen would be only temporary Is this supposed to be the "Give a man a fish and he will be hungry a day later, but teach a man to fish and he will never go hungry again" idea?

Why not just do both? Or was there a Thanagarian naturalism movement that decreed "transmuted air =/= natural air?" Y'know... like public statements insisting that "Laboratory studies show that the average Thanagarian who breathes GL-transmuted air are 18% more likely to develop cancer and 23% more likely to suffer from anal warts. Say no to GL-transmuted air. Breathe natural air. This has been a paid announcement from the Coalition of Natural Air for Thanagarians."

These ideas intrigue me. mhmm

cdtm
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Also, took a blast of Astro Force without breaking a sweat.

A mini nuke did some damage. IMO, the Astro Force should have caused much more damage, if not completely vaporize him.

Anyways, what can Rulk really do to beat Shaggy Man? Even if he rips him into pieces, he'll still regenerate.

Johnny Sorrow
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Nobody wants to discuss Kyle and Kilowog not simply transmuting the atmosphere into oxygen? No? Just checking.

It's a well-documented fact that the bellies of starving Thanagarians can be nourished by life-giving oxygen too. vin

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