Crisis Of Infinit Earths Anti Monitor VS Black Celestial Arc Galactus

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Colossus-Big C
who wins here

Omega Vision
Anti-Monitor assuming we're talking about the AM at his height.

TheLordofMurder
Galactus annihilates the Anti-Monitor with the Ultimate Nullifier; hence the AM gets one shotted in this senario...

Omega Vision
Did BCA Galactus use the UN at all?

Mindset
Not saying he'd use the UN, but why does that matter?

Omega Vision
Originally posted by Mindset
Not saying he'd use the UN, but why does that matter?
Wasn't BCA Galactus unstable and in an altered state of mind? The UN requires some degree of focus to use last I checked.

Mindset
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Wasn't BCA Galactus unstable and in an altered state of mind? The UN requires some degree of focus to use last I checked. Check again.

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Wasn't BCA Galactus unstable and in an altered state of mind? The UN requires some degree of focus to use last I checked.

BCA Galactus was a bit unhinged by his endless hunger, but unable to use the UN?

Nay...all you have to do is hold it and visualize it destroying your target; BCA was coherent enough to do this IMHO.

illadelph12
Does Galactus have a problem with anti-matter?

Mindset
He eats it.

Galan007
AM, ftw. His on panel feats are FAR superior to those of Galactus.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Did BCA Galactus use the UN at all? Yes. BCA Galactus used the UN to destroy himself + the universe he was in (AFTER the F4 delivered it to him, that is):

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/9290/bca1a.th.jpg http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/4227/bca2.th.jpg http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8912/bca3.th.jpg

Black bolt z
If no UN COIE monitor wins.I would he be able to beat oblivion even if he was nullified?

Mindset
Originally posted by Galan007
AM, ftw. His on panel feats are FAR superior to those of Galactus.

Yes. BCA Galactus used the UN to destroy himself + the universe he was in (AFTER the F4 delivered it to him, that is):

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/9290/bca1a.th.jpg http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/4227/bca2.th.jpg http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8912/bca3.th.jpg thumb up Galan

Now he could summon it to himself though.

Colossus-Big C
Originally posted by Black bolt z
If no UN COIE monitor wins.I would he be able to beat oblivion even if he was nullified? he would become oblivion if he did that

Galan007
Originally posted by Mindset
thumb up Galan

Now he could summon it to himself though. I dunt tink so.

Black bolt z
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
he would become oblivion if he did that What?

Mindset
Originally posted by Galan007
I dunt tink so. Because he hasn't done it before?

Galan007
Originally posted by Mindset
Because he hasn't done it before? There is zero proof that version of Galactus was cogniscient enough to just *poof* the UN to his location... Quite the opposite in fact.

Colossus-Big C
Originally posted by Black bolt z
What? you destroy a concept, you become it

Mindset
He was cognizant enough to know he needed to use it and then was able to do so, there is nothing to suggest he wouldn't be able to bring it to himself now that it's been revealed to actually being a part of him.

Galan007
Originally posted by Mindset
He was cognizant enough to know he needed to use it and then was able to do so, You don't have to be smart to destroy a universe with the UN. If you remember, a single stray/uncontrolled thought from Quasar would have been sufficient to do so.

Originally posted by Mindset
there is nothing to suggest he wouldn't be able to bring it to himself now that it's been revealed to actually being a part of him. Except in that particular arc, the UN had to be Fed-Ex delivered to Galactus by the F4. To me that is evidence enough that he wasn't capable of doing what you are suggesting... But w/e.

Mindset
A single stray thought brought him the UN.

Plot/Updated info on his abilities.

Pick your poison.

Galan007
Originally posted by Mindset
A single stray thought brought him the UN.

Plot/Updated info on his abilities.

Pick your poison. 616 Galactus =/= BCA Galactus.

biensalsa
I have always though COEI AM's defeat was a complete PIS

The guy had the power of his antimatter universe which by that time IT SHOULD had been bigger than any matter universe and about the size of the whole multiverse minus 5 universes.

But COEI AM should win this one regardless if the other guy can destroy 1 universe, this is the infinite universe destroyer, he had the power of all the universes He destroyed, THUS his defeat in COEI was nothing but PIS

Mindset
Originally posted by Galan007
616 Galactus =/= BCA Galactus. BCA Galactus is 616 Galactus years into the future.

Or did they change that?

Galan007
Originally posted by Mindset
BCA Galactus is 616 Galactus years into the future.

Or did they change that? Alternate future. That's why Reed had no moral issues with giving Galactus the UN, and allowing him to nullify that universe.

Black bolt z
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
you destroy a concept, you become it Ummmm....no.

Can you back this up with proof?

Prep-Man
AM.

Mindset
Originally posted by Galan007
Alternate future. That's why Reed had no moral issues with giving Galactus the UN, and allowing him to nullify that universe. Because they sealed him in a time bubble separating him from the rest of time.

Where did it say it was an alt universe?

illadelph12
Couldn't Galactus, I don't know, FEED on Anti-Monitor's excess energies? He is a living energy collector after all.

I'm thinking it's a draw personally. Feats be damned.

Colossus-Big C
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Galan007
Originally posted by Mindset
Because they sealed him in a time bubble separating him from the rest of time.

Where did it say it was an alt universe? Alternate futures = alternate universes.

For instance, in that story (which we know occurred in the distant future), Tiamut had just woken up after centuries of imprisonment under the mountain... But his latest canon showings in Eternals contradict that. Etc.

kgkg
Why is it that every time there is a Galactus thread we have UN vs *insert character here* thread.

Even if UN was a thing that Galactus could use in every battle kinda defeats the purpose of having Galactus in the thread.

TheLordofMurder
Well, the UN is:

1) An aspect of Galactus himself.
2) His best attack.

So without PIS/CIS, there is no zero reason for him not to use it against any given opponent...

Of course this also makes Galactus pretty much unbeatable against anyone expect the "supreme being" types...

Galan007
^ Except this version of Galactus was incapable of summoning the UN to his location, and had to have it literally handed to him by the F4. That + the fact that Galactus has 'died' the few times he has actually used the UN, should be reason enough to assume that he wouldn't be using it here.

Bentley
Originally posted by Galan007
^ Except this version of Galactus was incapable of summoning the UN to his location, and had to have it literally handed to him by the F4. That + the fact that Galactus has 'died' the few times he has actually used the UN, should be reason enough to assume that he wouldn't be using it here.

I agree with Galan that it could be argued as "more than CIS", when we say there is no CIS we mean fight on their capabilities and that Galactus was not as focused as others. It could be argued whether or not he can summon the UN, but certainly it has nothing to do with CIS because that by itself doesn't make you inmune to losing control or becoming an idiot.

janus77
the notion that future timelines are automatically to be treated as alternate universes is a good one, but the current Avengers - Maestro storyline and some previous Kang, Doom and even Future Imperfect seem to be extending the 'future' into the 616 present.

I mean Kang works for Maestro, thus Hulk will become Maestro (messed) and in FF, 616 Franklin had to beg a younger Doom to save his grandfather's arse (but this led to some vague time-reset, so not quite sure).

basically, the characters, attributes and relationships are 616, just that their actions happen in a revised past or an existing future... this is quite different to the traditional "alternative universe" idea, where powers, persona, relationships are different, thus feats cannot be compared to extrapolated.

janus77
oh, on-topic, Galactus ftw yes

Galan007
^ That would be all fine and dandy IF the Black Celestial arc wasn't contradicted by more current happenings. Aside from that, both BCA Galactus and that universe were nullified -- making it impossible for those events to transpire again.

Bentley
Originally posted by Galan007
^ That would be all fine and dandy IF the Black Celestial arc wasn't contradicted by more current happenings. Aside from that, both BCA Galactus and that universe were nullified -- making it impossible for those events to transpire again.


Also there was this weird time-bubble idea going when Nebula and Kang tried to get into that reality to control Galactus. It's safe to say it got divided from normal 616 time since the time-bubble happened since you couldn't time-travel to that moment.

janus77
Originally posted by Galan007
^ That would be all fine and dandy IF the Black Celestial arc wasn't contradicted by more current happenings. Aside from that, both BCA Galactus and that universe were nullified -- making it impossible for those events to transpire again.
wasn't it a reset, with Galactus undoing the omniverse upto that point and bringing it all back sans his insatiable hunger?

or else there should be no Marvel 616 left, as Reed said Galactus was on his way to finishing off the omniverse, iirc.

Galan007
Originally posted by Bentley
Also there was this weird time-bubble idea going when Nebula and Kang tried to get into that reality to control Galactus. It's safe to say it got divided from normal 616 time since the time-bubble happened since you couldn't time-travel to that moment. Agreed.

Originally posted by janus77
wasn't it a reset, with Galactus undoing the omniverse upto that point and bringing it all back sans his insatiable hunger? Nothing was reset. That version of Galactus, along with that universe were simply destroyed.

Originally posted by janus77
or else there should be no Marvel 616 left, as Reed said Galactus was on his way to finishing off the omniverse, iirc. ...Which is further proof that the events of the Black Celestial arc occurred in an alternate universe.

I would also like to add that despite all the hype associated with BCA Galactus, he only destroyed ONE universe on panel... And that was accomplished with the UN.

galactusischere
Originally posted by Galan007
^ That would be all fine and dandy IF the Black Celestial arc wasn't contradicted by more current happenings. Aside from that, both BCA Galactus and that universe were nullified -- making it impossible for those events to transpire again.

Can't the Ultimate Nullifier also restart entire timelines? How do you know that was not the case in that story?

Galan007
Originally posted by galactusischere
Can't the Ultimate Nullifier also restart entire timelines? How do you know that was not the case in that story? "Without a sound, the universe behind them softly and suddenly vanishes away." (see the scan posted on the first page.)


And before that, Reed made it very clear that the main reason he wanted to find the UN was to "eliminate" Galactus and that future:

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/7317/un1t.th.jpg

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