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How would Superman without his unique weaknesses (red sunlight, kryptonite, and magic) fare in INDIVIDUAL matchups against Silver Surfer and Thor?

they bludgeon him for a ko...

Originally posted by King Castle
they bludgeon him for a ko... no its not a teamup. How would superman fare against thor and surfer in INDIVIDUAL matchups?

He'd beat both of them. Not together of course, but individually yes.

Though I don't see why stacking the odds in his favour is a good idea...

oops.. but if they are in character they might just get rid of supes 1st then fight each other..

i guess it could go equally to anyone of them..

separate fights guys

1. superman vs surfer

2. superman vs thor

Originally posted by -Pr-
He'd beat both of them. Not together of course, but individually yes.

Though I don't see why stacking the odds in his favour is a good idea... just wanted to see how big a factor his weaknesses play in the results of his fights against both on KMC

Superman wins against both.

I honestly believe he would still lose both.. Just doesn't have the versatility. While I do think he is stronger than surfer and faster than Thor he still would lose very close matches to both.

Superman wins with or without his weaknesses.

Supes still looses.

against Thor, Superman's weakness doesn't really mater much as Thor cant generate red sunlight nor produce kryptonite. Magic doesn't even equate much as Thor's magical nature doesn't add much as he doesnt really use magic offensively like most magic users like strange an zatana. so out come would be the same with IMO Thor still getting the majority

Against Surfer, Surfer can still drain Superman. or he could amp his strength to "Atomic Level" whatever that means :P Plus his other exotic powers would still prove adequate to take the Majority

the fight will be over in less than 1 sec.

Thor: Superman wins 6-7/10.
Surfer: Superman loses 8-9/10.

Surfer's damagesoak is phenomenal, his ability to reform/heal from being smashed to pieces, from being sliced apart etc ... and this is before his upgrade. Surfer does what he did to BRB.

No CIS? Supes loses to either after a good fight. Surfer and Thor are often underestimated uberduber-powerhouses because there's so much CIS in their comics.

With CIS? Could go either way. Superman rises to impossible challenges perhaps better than any other character, so much so that a lot of people really, really hate/love him.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Superman wins against both.

As someone said above this wouldn't change the outcome with Thor as the Asgardian's route to victory doesn't involve weakness exploitation in the 1st place. Supes would edge him the same way.

Against Surfer without the weaknesses I think he beats the Surfer, stronger, more reactive in cqc (certainly a better guy in cqc), great energy durability.

Superman beats Thor 7/10 - Thor has the fire power advantage...But for the rest Superman is above in Speed , Strength , Durability etc maybe not a lot but enough to get decent wins.


Surfer Still wins 6/10 - Close battle they are pretty much equal in everything...Surfer is just more versatile and equally good in other aspect of fight that matters.

What weakness to magic? He's not weak to it, he just has no particular defense against it depending on its magnitude. It's not like bullshit weak magic fireballs or anything are going to bother him.

You are asking that Superman be made specifically immune to magic? Like Cap Marvel *almost* is?

They both can beat Superman one on one.

All three have an equal chance of winning, on any given day.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
against Thor, Superman's weakness doesn't really mater much as Thor cant generate red sunlight nor produce kryptonite.

not exactly true. Thor can BFR superman into the middle of a red sun and/or absorb and release red solar energy with mjolnir offensively.



Again, not true. Even if we ignore the fact that mjolnir is a giant *enchanted* hammer (remember, thor's uru hammer is only as durable as it is due to odin's enchantment), We still have the godforce blast to consider, which is most certainly a magical attack, and very, very destructive. Also, Thor can pummel him senseless with magic lightning blasts, etc.



Surfer still wins hands down here. Even without exploiting a kryptonite or red solar weakness, Surfer is still able to do crazy things like shrink to microscopic size and obliterate superman from the inside of his body. Defensively, he's quite a bit faster and can go intangible- even if we don't consider "amping" to be a good defensive tactic.

in terms of "power" they all have it, Thor and Surfer are just more versatile in terms of the application.

A superman with no weaknesses is still at a slight disadvantage versus Thor and Surfer.

Thor has teleportation, Superior energy projection, Energy absorption, and Matter Manipulation abilities that superman doesn't have. Speed is debatable, and pure strength is probably a wash.

Surfer has a speed advantage, the ability to "phase", size manipulation, matter manipulation, and GREATLY superior energy projection and absorption abilties. Strength and Durability may be lower by default, but we know surfer can "amp" his abilities to an unknown degree. Also consider cosmic awareness means Surfer is going to know precisely how powerful superman is. If it's possible to amp to that level or beyond it to level the playing field, he will.

Unless Superman is allowed to sundip mid fight or something to increase his powers, I'd still say these two have an edge over him. not 9/10 or 10/10, but intelligently written easily a 7 or 8

Originally posted by Starscream M
How would Superman without his unique weaknesses (red sunlight, kryptonite, and magic) fare in INDIVIDUAL matchups against Silver Surfer and Thor?
Haven't you done like ten of these threads already?

With CIS, if the writers write shitty characters without considering the power-set of each:
Against Thor: Split
Against Surfer: Sups have a slight advantage


Without CIS, if the writers do their jobs:
Against Thor: Thor wins 6 or 7 /10
Against Surfer: Surfer with a huge 9/10

Surfer wins.Hes still slightly above both.

Surfer would still win 6/10

Thor might split if he uses other powers but he'll loose in a brawl without magic weakness

Originally posted by Stoic
All three have an equal chance of winning, on any given day.

I agree cept Surfer's chances slightly higher.

supes puts up a valiant fight against both at the same time.

he can beat either minus the weaknesses. however hes not gaurenteed a win here.