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ko.... kill..... forum rules.

1) no tp

2) all out

Iron Fist would smash gorilla grodd without his tp..... Spite.....

Rand + Iron Fist = Gorilla Grodd ko

IF doesn't hit as hard as Flash does.

Chi has a funny way of bending comic book physics though.

Originally posted by Konton
IF doesn't hit as hard as Flash does. Flash doesn't hit Grodd as hard as he can.

Class 100 hits will KO Grodd.

Grodd.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Grodd.
Grodd would get smashed into hemorrhoid paste.

superman is the biggest jobber in DC universe everybody at one point owned him just like thor in marvel

Originally posted by Kinasin
Grodd would get smashed into hemorrhoid paste.

I doubt it. Flash punched Grodd all the way to another state. yet, he survived.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I doubt it. Flash punched Grodd all the way to another state. yet, he survived.
There's no way Grodd could take Iron Fist h2h and that instance you gave could easily be considered PIS.

He's taken multiple Flash hits in many different instances. And Grodd is a lot faster than IF.

gorilla grodd is.... a gorilla Lol ahahahahahahah iron fist stomps

Account Restricted? Ouch.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
He's taken multiple Flash hits in many different instances. And Grodd is a lot faster than IF.
prove that he is faster.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Account Restricted? Ouch.

I did not see that comming...

Originally posted by Warlord
I did not see that comming...

dont worry i am back ahahaha

Knocking Flash out with TP

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Flash/flashv245kebbin19.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Flash/flashv245kebbin20.jpg

Another Flash moment

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Flash/flashv247kebbin16.jpg

Chucks a car with one hand

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Flash/flashv2178kebbin12.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Flash/flashv2178kebbin13.jpg

Another Flash moment

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Flash/FlashV2193-05NastyNat.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Flash/FlashV2193-14NastyNat.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Flash/FlashV2193-17NastyNat.jpg

And another

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Flash/flashV2194-15NastyNat.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Flash/flashV2194-17NastyNat.jpg

vs Bart and Wally
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Flash/flash_223_16R.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Flash/flash_223_17R.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/silicondream/Flash/flash_223_18R.jpg

without tp IF should beat him.

surviving IMP and tagging Flash means nothing more that PIS to me

He's been a Flash foe since he was introduced, so it's not PIS. Plus, he's not just another Gorilla. He's enhanced and whatnot.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
He's been a Flash foe since he was introduced, so it's not PIS. Plus, he's not just another Gorilla. He's enhanced and whatnot.

he isnt fast enough to tag flash and he doesnt have a superman super speed therefor every fight he had with flash is PIS, daredevil also owned spider-man almost every time they fought still doesnt mean he should be able to do it

Gorilla Grodd takes this easily. People seriously need to stop overstating IF hes like a glass canon honestly.

Originally posted by gorilla grod
he isnt fast enough to tag flash and he doesnt have a superman super speed therefor every fight he had with flash is PIS, daredevil also owned spider-man almost every time they fought still doesnt mean he should be able to do it
Thats not true at all but I imagine your just using hyperbole to hype your statements. Daredevil has only 1 advantage over Spider-man and thats his radar sense being above Spider-man's spider-sense.

Every time they fight its noted that Spider-man is stronger than him and hes usually holding back, or Daredevil isn't going all out. Daredevil has never really beaten Spider-man clean IIRC.

He still is much more enhanced than IF, due the meteor that gave him his powers.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
He's been a Flash foe since he was introduced, so it's not PIS. Plus, he's not just another Gorilla. He's enhanced and whatnot.

he's enhanced but not to a degree that can reach wally's top speed.
as for his durability I remember him taken out by less than an IMP

I never SAID he was as fast as Flash, but he's quick enough to tag him, if he tried. His durability has handled speed blitz punches many times. I've already posted some of the scans.

if you tag someome who is faster than you (and fastser by a ridiculus drgree in that case) it can only be pis.
simple as that

Originally posted by Warlord
if you tag someome who is faster than you (and fastser by a ridiculus drgree in that case) it can only be pis.
simple as that

So we are forgetting the fact that Grodd has TP and would concievably know what Flash is going to do before he does it.
I wouldn't call it PIS especially if hes been fighting the Flash since he was created.

PIS or not, it has happened. Can't deny it or dismiss it, because you don't like it.

Besides, Danny isn't Flash. Not even close. Grodd is a LOT stronger, faster, more durable, and has better senses.

Not to mention TK and TP. Danny is screwed no matter how you slice it.

Originally posted by SasuOna
So we are forgetting the fact that Grodd has TP and would concievably know what Flash is going to do before he does it.
I wouldn't call it PIS especially if hes been fighting the Flash since he was created.

I've already stated that Grodd WITH TP would win

None of those showed he was faster than iron fist and as far as picking up a car goes Iron Fist has destroyed a hella carrier with one punch..
http://www.imagebam.com/image/5bd97457643237
http://www.imagebam.com/image/915f5457643238
http://www.imagebam.com/image/dc5c6457643397

Dodging gunfire taking out super speedster catching bullet moving faster than the human eye can see
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http://img12.imageshack.us/i/immortalironfistannual0.jpg/
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http://img329.imageshack.us/i/ironfist0805kq7.jpg/
http://img156.imageshack.us/i/grsp30coyy7.jpg/
http://img105.imageshack.us/i/bullets11sx.jpg/
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http://img223.imageshack.us/i/bdbdbd3kx.jpg/
http://img7.imageshack.us/i/meters3zi.jpg/
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http://img105.imageshack.us/i/bullets11sx.jpg/
Knocking out bres


http://img112.imageshack.us/i/bres6wz.jpg/

Originally posted by Warlord
I've already stated that Grodd WITH TP would win

Don't forget he has shown TK at times.

Originally posted by Warlord
I've already stated that Grodd WITH TP would win

I was referring to the fact that you think Grodd hitting the Flash is PIS which shouldn't be the case given his powers.

I think it's the combination of speed, senses, and TP. He's constantly using TP with the Flash, so it's more because of this.

Originally posted by Kinasin
Grodd would get smashed into hemorrhoid paste.
This.

is wrong.

Without TP Iron fist wins. I showed way better speed feats and combat reflexes than what you showed so w/e.

I'd take the gorilla over IF.

Well from the feats you've shown he loses badly. Of course he can win with tp but without it he get's smashed.

he'd smash IF into paste. Much stronger and better senses. All out Grodd wins 10/10.

What are IF's best durability feats?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
PIS or not, it has happened. Can't deny it or dismiss it, because you don't like it.



by that logic, Spiderman has KOed Firelord thus he is able to deal with Heralds.

I could bring forth thousands examples but I'm sure you get what I mean.

TP and TK grodd wins. without them I don't see him beating Danny

Originally posted by Warlord
by that logic, Spiderman has KOed Firelord thus he is able to deal with Heralds.

I could bring forth thousands examples but I'm sure you get what I mean.

TP and TK grodd wins. without them I don't see him beating Danny

1. OP only took away his TP, he still has his TK
2. hes a lot stronger than Iron Fist even if we go by his low end feats, Grodd is still strong enough to fight people who give Superman a go every now and then.
3. nice ad hominem, I imagine Spider-man fights firelord everyday so him beating him must obviously be considered a common occurrence and not an outlier.

Iron Fist gets stomped

Adhomawamadamadingdong

Originally posted by SasuOna
Gorilla Grodd takes this easily. People seriously need to stop overstating IF hes like a glass canon honestly.


Thats not true at all but I imagine your just using hyperbole to hype your statements. Daredevil has only 1 advantage over Spider-man and thats his radar sense being above Spider-man's spider-sense.

Every time they fight its noted that Spider-man is stronger than him and hes usually holding back, or Daredevil isn't going all out. Daredevil has never really beaten Spider-man clean IIRC. His senses are better but his radar sense isn't better as it isn't precog, he does rely on it more though. Otherwise you're right.

Originally posted by Warlord
by that logic, Spiderman has KOed Firelord thus he is able to deal with Heralds.

I could bring forth thousands examples but I'm sure you get what I mean.

TP and TK grodd wins. without them I don't see him beating Danny

Grodd tagging Flash isn't SvFL. It's PIS and CIP on Flash's part, though not all the time.

SvFL, CIP?

Originally posted by Warlord
SvFL, CIP?

SvFL = Spider-Man vs Firelord

CIP = Like CIS, but in more detail:

Originally posted by Raoul
Clarification of CIS

Ok people, here are the finalised rules as regards PIS, CIS, and everything related to it.

PIS is, as always, off unless the thread starter says it's ON.

CIS, as was said before, is now a more diverse term, but is not as vague as before.

While CIS still exists in the form of characters like Rhino (who are just too stupid to know better), it also exists in one other form.

This is known as Character Inhibited Power. This applies to characters that have intelligence, like the Silver Surfer, Superman, and so on and so forth.

As Bada said:

"It's a self imposed limitation in certain circumstances which there is concern for civilians and buildings for the most part. It's not stupidity, it's a limitation set until the threat exceeds a certain threshold."

What this means is that people like the Surfer and Superman and so on will not use the full extent of their powers if it will endanger civilians. It doesn't, though, mean they will fight like idiots. The character's personality is an integral part of the match and dictates how they will perform. This is the crux of the rules we've come up with. It doesn't come down to powers, it comes down to the man or woman that weilds them.

In accordance with this, several factors come in to play in debates:

The Opponent, Basic Information, the Arena and the Character's Personality and Experience

Those four are key.

Example:

If Martian Manhunter fights say, Juggernaut.

MM doesn't personally know Juggernaut (Opponent). So he has Basic Information. This is categorised as being what the general public would know about the Juggernaut. It goes by averages. If that average man or woman on the street knows that Juggernaut is super strong, then MM knows. The average man or woman doesn't know, however, that the Juggernaut is weak against psionics. J'onn would approach with caution, not knowing whether Juggernaut was in his weight class, and not knowing the full extent of the man's powers.

However. If Martian Manhunter went up against Amazo, he would know to go for broke right at the start, because he KNOWS Amazo (Personality and Experience). He will use his speed, his strength, his shapeshifting. This is because if he knows what it takes to bring down Amazo, or he believes his standard attacks won't work. If J'onn was fighting Juggernaut, there would come a point when he would realise that normal attacks won't work, and would up his game. Any character that doesn't suffer from Rhino-esque stupidity is capable of this. Even with this, though, the Arena comes in to play. If civilians are in danger, J'onn won't shapeshift in to a fire breathing dragon. Juggernaut on the other hand doesn't care, so wouldn't hesitate to toss cars and trucks full of civilians at the Martian.

Examples:

Thor knows he can't out-brawl Hulk, so uses exotic powers sooner than he would against the likes of Superman, as Superman is an unknown to him.

Superman would go all out against Doomsday or Despero because he knows how powerful they are. Against the Hulk, he's going to take a few punches before realising he'll have to use something rather than slugging it out. He won't bathe the street in heat vision either, because there are civilians nearby.

It ALL comes down to the CHARACTER, not the POWERSET.

Originally posted by -Pr-
SvFL = Spider-Man vs Firelord

CIP = Like CIS, but in more detail:

so we agree that it's at least partially PIS.

Originally posted by Warlord
so we agree that it's at least partially PIS.

Of course. But so would most other characters touching Flash. It doesn't take away from how powerful Grodd is, in all fairness.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Of course. But so would most other characters touching Flash. It doesn't take away from how powerful Grodd is, in all fairness.

true. though using "he can tag flash" statements in order to show that he is faster than Danny (debatable) is missleading to say the least

What are these Grodd feats that show he's much stronger than IF?

so are ppl done talkin about GG being as fast as flash strong and durable as superman?