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Is goober in this thing? Where the hell's He-Man?

Also, guys, Apollo + Dr. Light. Do it!

I'm surprised no one's drafted any Manga characters. They're allowed right?

I'm surprised as well, and a bit dissapointed.

Draft 1: Grail

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grail_(WildStorm)

Draft 2: Matrix Supergirl

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supergirl_(Matrix)

Draft 3: Exodus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_(comics)

This tournament needs 100% more One Piece!

100% of 0 = 0

Originally posted by Existere
100% of 0 = 0
Maybe French math works differently (read: backward) biscuits

Originally posted by Existere
100% of 0 = 0

Foiled again!!

this tournament needs more man-thing

You guys really want a contest to draft Manga characters? I am starting to feel motivated. peaches

Draft 4: Lightray

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightray

Lightray in a low herald tourney?

Is he too high? I didn't see anything that made him seem so.

Draft 5: Kang the Conqueror (keep in mind, no time travel of any kind is permitted)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kang_the_Conqueror

In Young Avengers he has a device that can bring future weapons to him. Has he ever brought such a weapon that would produce too much power for the tourney?

Well he can't bring weapons from the future here...

Originally posted by King Kandy
Well he can't bring weapons from the future here...

Can he do it with prep? It kind of sucks he cannot bring his own weapons with his armor, he would still be limited to weapons he has used.

His most powerful weapons were actually part of his ship. Aside from the Ultra Diode Ray, nothing else he's used poses much more of a threat than his armor.

Without his time-fetching tech he doesn't even carry does huge guns he uses all the time, only his finger blasts and some of the stuff he threw in his first fight against the Avengers. You'd be hard pressed to find many feats of Kang's offense just using finger blasts and such.

Sure, but you wouldn't have any problems finding feats of him tanking hit or 2 from Mjolnir.

Well, if the guys who drafted him are going to win by tanking mjolnir I guess it's alright

Good point, I guess no one is gonna be drafting Thor. I was just thinking that he's hurt Surfer before with some of his future tech.

How the hell did Scoob and leo get Kang into a High Meta tourney (and then beat me with him). He's being debated in a low herald one.

shakefist

Kang is good with prep, he has come a long way since I struggled for months to get him into the low herald category.

(Mostly because nobody cared, but still)

Originally posted by batdude123
Lightray in a low herald tourney?

someone could draft the galactus herald nova (who is also a low herald) to make the sun lightray will make go supernova.

problem solved

Originally posted by Digi
How the hell did Scoob and leo get Kang into a High Meta tourney (and then beat me with him). He's being debated in a low herald one.

shakefist
Nobody's saying he's too powerful for this tourney, just talking about rulings on him.

I guess the problem I see with allowing Kang's prep to allow anything he's used in the past is that he'd be capable of 1 shotting nearly everyone. On the opposite side, if he's just using his armor, he'd technically be like a weaker Iron Man. His robots should obviously, imo, be disqualified, but what about his Ultra Diode Ray? I don't recall him ever using it as Kang, but he used it as Rama-Tut. Multiple suits of armor? It was allowed for Iron Man, so would the same ruling be allowed for Kang?

Kang's base armor is not -necessarily- less powerful than Iron Man's but the time fetching abilities on the armor is a very important part of what it does -the ability of never running out of weapons is quite dangerous-. Otherwise is much less flexible which kind of sucks.

Well I talked to the person drafting him, and he understands the limits placed on him by the rulings. He can't bring things through time, period.

Draft 6: Replicant

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Anthony_Gambi_(New_Earth)

Draft 7: Omega Red

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Red


And with that, day 2 is closed unless anyone has lingering objections.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Draft 6: Replicant

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Anthony_Gambi_(New_Earth)

The bio tells us nothing. What is this guy's deal?

Originally posted by King Kandy
Draft 7: Omega Red

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Red


And with that, day 2 is closed unless anyone has lingering objections.
I don't have an outright objection to him, but since he was drafted as a low herald I'm assuming that we're talking about "low herald" Lightray correct? He's not going to be allowed to go into "insane Lightray" mode or show up full sized to the fight or anything like that, right?

Also the last thing you said in regards to Vulcan was how damning the case against him was, did whoever tried to draft him ever repick?

Originally posted by Digi
The bio tells us nothing. What is this guy's deal?
I was told his power is that he can absorb the properties of weapons.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I don't have an outright objection to him, but since he was drafted as a low herald I'm assuming that we're talking about "low herald" Lightray correct? He's not going to be allowed to go into "insane Lightray" mode or show up full sized to the fight or anything like that, right?
Yeah, that's right.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Also the last thing you said in regards to Vulcan was how damning the case against him was, did whoever tried to draft him ever repick?
People brought more things up, i'm still thinking about it. I'm contacting the person who drafted though.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I was told his power is that he can absorb the properties of weapons.
Isn't that awful close to falling into the same category as someone like Absorbing Man?

You know, that's actually an interesting point. I'm going to have to request scans be posted openly so we can collectively examine just how it works.

I had someone send another description via PM, and he can basically copy other peoples' weapons. Mostly he's just used it to copy the Flash Rogues' primary weapons. An interesting pick. Certainly not as versatile as Creel though, but I see the reason that it might be too similar for comfort.

Originally posted by Digi
I had someone send another description via PM, and he can basically copy other peoples' weapons. Mostly he's just used it to copy the Flash Rogues' primary weapons. An interesting pick. Certainly not as versatile as Creel though, but I see the reason that it might be too similar for comfort.
So if the guy stands next to Ironman his team would have two Ironmen and if he stood next to Hal Jorden they'd have two GL's(not that Hal would actually be allowed here)? Sounds way to similar to power copying IMO. If we allow him the third round's likely to feature a rush to draft other neutered copiers...

Originally posted by darthgoober
So if the guy stands next to Ironman his team would have two Ironmen and if he stood next to Hal Jorden they'd have two GL's(not that Hal would actually be allowed here)? Sounds way to similar to power copying IMO. If we allow him the third round's likely to feature a rush to draft other neutered copiers...

From the research I've done since he was picked, Ive noticed he has never 'replicated' a suit of armor. I'd seriously doubt he would be able to do so. But guns of various types (the Flash Rouges) and some magical wands (also Flash Rouges) are fair game.

Besides that, every time he "replicates" a weapon, he destroys it in the process. So whoever gets him would be a weapon short for the original weapon holder.

I'd attribute it more to one person giving up their weapon for another one to hold than adding two of the same character.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
From the research I've done since he was picked, Ive noticed he has never 'replicated' a suit of armor. I'd seriously doubt he would be able to do so. But guns of various types (the Flash Rouges) and some magical wands (also Flash Rouges) are fair game.

Besides that, every time he "replicates" a weapon, he destroys it in the process. So whoever gets him would be a weapon short for the original weapon holder.

I'd attribute it more to one person giving up their weapon for another one to hold than adding two of the same character.
Ah well if it's a transference thing that could be a little different depending on how Kandy see's it. Of course it still seems like allowing him opens the doors for people like Rogue...

My biggest problem here is the possibility of someone creating a mega-weapon in prep (like Digi in evangel's tourney, iirc), and then him duplicating it to be way over the caps.

Originally posted by King Kandy
My biggest problem here is the possibility of someone creating a mega-weapon in prep (like Digi in evangel's tourney, iirc), and then him duplicating it to be way over the caps.

Whats the difference between that and them just making a mega weapon in prep and then using it?

lawl at me being used as an example. I've never seen this guy in action, but something tells me he wouldn't be able to replicate Ultimate Reed's Galactus-busting dimension cannon (seriously, how did goober win that match again?). If all he's copied are rogues weapons, there would be no evidence for such a vast feat.

Originally posted by Digi
lawl at me being used as an example. I've never seen this guy in action, but something tells me he wouldn't be able to replicate Ultimate Reed's Galactus-busting dimension cannon (seriously, how did goober win that match again?). If all he's copied are rogues weapons, there would be no evidence for such a vast feat.
By having an army teleport over your head and bombard you. You have to have the gun pointed AT the opposition for it to be effective... duh .

Eh, if that's people's opinions then I don't really see any issue with him.

Vulcan is banned, the person is selecting a new draft.

Replicant was withdrawn. New draft: Nero, from "Star Trek".

any bio?

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Nero

Originally posted by darthgoober
By having an army teleport over your head and bombard you. You have to have the gun pointed AT the opposition for it to be effective... duh .

Bah, we were in an indestructible dome. The whole thing would've been engulfed in Galactus-busting energy, regardless of where it was pointed. I think my story revolved around having superior energy absorption (Thor) and energy reconfiguration (The Doctor).

But we shouldn't continue this obvious travesty of judgment here. It's better left to history to record as our greatest failure.

Also, Nero. As in, baseline human for the most part, unless I'm confused with another character. What's his standard equipment? I smell a loophole.

Originally posted by Digi
Also, Nero. As in, baseline human for the most part, unless I'm confused with another character. What's his standard equipment? I smell a loophole.
A big ass ship that can bust planets given enough time and was able to wtfpwn 23rd century spaceships with missiles.

Apparently the ship is partially constructed from reverse engineered Borg tech.

Whoever drafted him is cooking something up. mhmm

He gets his ship.

Originally posted by King Kandy
He gets his ship.

its shields are well above the durability limits, I'll post scans if need be, but it took a full on assault from 20-40 klingon warships without its shields going down

it also destroyed these ships with a single blast each

so ya, 47 Klingon ships that were waiting for Nero, takes them all out with no difficulty, on panel says shields are still at 100% after taking a full assault from, again, 47 Klingon warships.

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/5158/63116992.th.jpghttp://img27.imageshack.us/img27/9922/29600171.th.jpghttp://img176.imageshack.us/img176/4645/90432032.th.jpghttp://img180.imageshack.us/img180/7221/77768767.th.jpghttp://img249.imageshack.us/img249/2635/56288571.th.jpghttp://img32.imageshack.us/img32/7557/92219053.th.jpghttp://img146.imageshack.us/img146/7303/44011562.th.jpghttp://img32.imageshack.us/img32/1102/84501150.th.jpg

Then there is the issue of red matter, of which Nero's ship has a huge supply, the small dot of it in this scan is enough to destroy an entire planet.

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/6058/redmatter.th.jpg

and this scan shows how much nero has on his ship:

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/4997/tttsrp.th.jpg

Yeah his ship is probably Mid Herald. IIRC in the tiers thread it was agreed that the Enterprise from TNG was Low Herald.

And one or two Klingon Warbirds can give the Enterprise a serious scrap. 47 would utterly curbstomp it.

Of course given how advanced Nero's ship was relative to the Klingon Warbirds its somewhat to be expected. It's like if 47 Napoleonic era ships of the line attacked a WWII Era battleship.

Originally posted by inimalist
its shields are well above the durability limits, I'll post scans if need be, but it took a full on assault from 20-40 klingon warships without its shields going down

it also destroyed these ships with a single blast each


IIRC Magneto's shields have never been broken either. Marvel superpeople are pretty crazy themselves.

I mean, unless there was some plausible (extremely plausible) way for him to bring his entire ship into the battle (being that I assume its a prep site?), I don't see a problem.

And even then, there are ways around it. At least I see them

edit: As for Red Matter, well that would be the dumbest move of all considering it would affect them as well. I mean, wasnt that how Nero died in the movie??

Originally posted by Blair Wind
IIRC Magneto's shields have never been broken either. Marvel superpeople are pretty crazy themselves.

doesn't that disqualify Magneto then?

Like, I have been assuming I couldn't choose classic juggs, because he can't be hurt

the other issue would be, there are low showings for magneto. The ship has 2 battles, both go essentially the same, Nero in fact is the weak link, his idiot tactics being the only way people can PIS through his shield

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I mean, unless there was some plausible (extremely plausible) way for him to bring his entire ship into the battle (being that I assume its a prep site?), I don't see a problem.

Kandy has said nero comes with his ship

Originally posted by Blair Wind
And even then, there are ways around it. At least I see them

there are many ways to beat man-thing, or deadpool, however, their regeneration abilities would disqualify them from this tournament

I'm fairly sure I could get both of my character onto the ship, one would have his way with Nero so badly, and from a far range.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
edit: As for Red Matter, well that would be the dumbest move of all considering it would affect them as well. I mean, wasnt that how Nero died in the movie??

the movie is irrelevant, and there are certainly plausible ways to use red matter. For instance, one doesn't need an entire planet destroying quantity, which then opens up retarded arguments of "no, X amount of red matter would be banned, but X-1 amounts are ok, that was only X-1, etc..."

I would have no objections to the ship being prep-only, if people thought that would be fair.

Originally posted by inimalist
as a prep site only, I have no objections

Prep site it is, then.