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Cap bleeds to death out of his nose after seeing that a$$.

Truth.

And then she screams, and his head explodes.

Someone who has a ranged offensive multi directional attack that can't be dodged or evaded and that explodes eardrums and causes internal bleeding vs someone who's only offensive output is hitting things...

all aboard the DC wank train? Cap wins, See civil war, see ironmans sonic device that drops every single super BAR Steve, couple that withsteves highend showings and he tanks the scream to close in fast enough to knock the wind out of the ***** and pummel her to bloody death.

True story.

Can i make a suggestion for the next thread? Cyclops vs Batman in an open field starting 50 metres apart, kthx.

Man, Batman would just knock him out with a batarang.

Cap crushes her windpipe with a shield toss and once again claims dominance for man over woman.

Originally posted by SamZED
Cap bleeds to death out of his nose after seeing that a$$.

Cap gets a pussy whooping?

BC would stomp of course. But indeed this is just like cyclops vs batman in an arena.

In a fight Cap of course. By the way that is a nice BC pic.

Originally posted by SamZED
Cap bleeds to death out of his nose after seeing that a$$.

With his Peak Potential nose. I don't think so.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
With his Peak Potential nose. I don't think so.
With dat peak potential ass I think yes.

Captain wins by sheer manliness.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
With dat peak potential ass I think yes.


His peak eyes he will enjoy this. Without staring.

bc is too low on the DC totem pole to beat Cap. Next.

Originally posted by SamZED
Cap bleeds to death out of his nose after seeing that a$$.

Originally posted by Caps Conscience
bc is too low on the DC totem pole to beat Cap. Next.


Pretty much.

Dinah will blink as Cap knocks her out

canary wins with canary cry

She gets the odd win but I'd bet on Capt, since the shield can block a lot of the Cry.

They can both take each other out fairly quickly via ranged powers/weapons. Canary Cry has more kick to it, and can hurt higher than Herald level beings. Caps shield is more defensive tho. Split. They would never get a chance to duke it out with martial arts skills.

she screams and it's over

Originally posted by 753
she screams and it's over
Not likely, Cap's shield's part vibranium and can absorb sound. That's why he was able to mess Klaw up with it.

they ko each other.

she screams and cap tosses the shield.

sound splits around or gets absorbed by the vibranium but still effects cap but doesnt deflect it and it hit BC..

50/50 is all i am willing to give here.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
With dat peak potential ass I think yes.

Captain American overcomes her ftw.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
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Originally posted by Juk3n
Someone who has a ranged offensive multi directional attack that can't be dodged or evaded and that explodes eardrums and causes internal bleeding vs someone who's only offensive output is hitting things...

all aboard the DC wank train? Cap wins, See civil war, see ironmans sonic device that drops every single super BAR Steve, couple that withsteves highend showings and he tanks the scream to close in fast enough to knock the wind out of the ***** and pummel her to bloody death.

True story.

Can i make a suggestion for the next thread? Cyclops vs Batman in an open field starting 50 metres apart, kthx.
sounds good to me

Honestly I could see this happening. Capt throws shield right at her, she attempts a scream to block it, but the shield goes right through it and knocks her out. Though this sounds crazy, I honestly bet this is a likely hood.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
Captain American comes over her ftw.

agreed

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Honestly I could see this happening. Capt throws shield right at her, she attempts a scream to block it, but the shield goes right through it and knocks her out. Though this sounds crazy, I honestly bet this is a likely hood.

was just thinking that too.

but i think more often than not she'd try to duck rather than shatter it.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Not likely, Cap's shield's part vibranium and can absorb sound. That's why he was able to mess Klaw up with it. sound travels arround objects. klaw's attack must have been an unidirectional 'beam' unlike natural sound. the shield cant protect him

Originally posted by 753
sound travels arround objects. klaw's attack must have been an unidirectional 'beam' unlike natural sound. the shield cant protect him
Nothing travels around Cap's shield Commie...


But seriously, if Cap's shield can protect him from something like this without him being deafened...

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...I don't see why it couldn't protecting him from Canary's scream.

PIS?

Originally posted by -Pr-
PIS?
Not really applicable because of Cap's shield being vibranium.

What happend to Caps shield before Klaw attacked?

Originally posted by Parmaniac
What happend to Caps shield before Klaw attacked?
It was screwing up because Molecule Man left a molecule out of alignment back in the day when he dispersed and then reconstructed it.

Originally posted by darthgoober
It was screwing up because Molecule Man left a molecule out of alignment back in the day when he dispersed and then reconstructed it. Never happened.I don't know where people got that idea.When Cap used his will on battleworld to fix it he missed a small piece and that started up a chain reaction due to the missing vibranium(or something like that)because it was missing a piece it just eventually broke apart due to the fundemantal flaw in it.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Never happened.I don't know where people got that idea.When Cap used his will on battleworld to fix it he missed a small piece and that started up a chain reaction due to the missing vibranium(or something like that)because it was missing a piece it just eventually broke apart due to the fundemantal flaw in it.
Yeah I just went to fetch scans and saw that they actually attributed it to Beyonder/Cap rather than Molecule Man. I'm pretty sure people assume it's Molecule Man because of the time he dispersed Cap's shield along with Thor's hammer, Surfer's board, and Iron Man's armor.

But it was a molecule out of alignment that caused the scenereo, not a missing piece.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah I just went to fetch scans and saw that they actually attributed it to Beyonder/Cap rather than Molecule Man. I'm pretty sure people assume it's Molecule Man because of the time he dispersed Cap's shield along with Thor's hammer, Surfer's board, and Iron Man's armor. I still don't know when that was.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
I still don't know when that was.
Avengers 215 & 216

Originally posted by darthgoober
Avengers 215 & 216 Thanks.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Not really applicable because of Cap's shield being vibranium.

except that vibranium absorbs whatever sonic waves would hit it, no?

Originally posted by -Pr-
except that vibranium absorbs whatever sonic waves would hit it, no?
That's pretty much what it did...

I must not be getting what you're saying.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Nothing travels around Cap's shield Commie...


But seriously, if Cap's shield can protect him from something like this without him being deafened...

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...I don't see why it couldn't protecting him from Canary's scream.

That should have cut his legs off. Looks like PIS to me, that or a really weak onslought from Klaw. If CA can hear regular sounds while holding the shield, he'll be downed by BC's scream. The attack will be everywhere, sound travels arround everything through diffraction. Only the portion that hits the shield directly should be absorbed.

Originally posted by 753
That should have cut his legs off. Looks like PIS to me, that or a really weak onslought from Klaw. If CA can hear regular sounds while holding the shield, he'll be downed by BC's scream. The attack will be everywhere, sound travels arround everything through diffraction. Only the portion that hits the shield directly should be absorbed. Really?Come on dude.Its caps sheild. If anything could defend against an all around blast from one direction its cap's sheild. Its defies the logic of even comic physics.

Originally posted by darthgoober
That's pretty much what it did...

I must not be getting what you're saying.

Originally posted by 753
That should have cut his legs off. Looks like PIS to me, that or a really weak onslought from Klaw. If CA can hear regular sounds while holding the shield, he'll be downed by BC's scream. The attack will be everywhere, sound travels arround everything through diffraction. Only the portion that hits the shield directly should be absorbed.

^ thats what i was meaning.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Really?Come on dude.Its caps sheild. If anything could defend against an all around blast from one direction its cap's sheild. Its defies the logic of even comic physics. The blast hit his legs as well.

edit. 753 beat me to it.

Originally posted by 753
The blast hit his legs as well. Exactly.

That's one of the reasons why I don't really like him. To much ****ed up logic even for comics.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
That's one of the reasons why I don't really like him. To much ****ed up logic even for comics. Caps shield is more PISy then thors hammer and the power cosmic combined.

Originally posted by -Pr-
it actually depends on her scream. she can focus or widen the blast as she pleases.
Ok, but I'm talking about specific instances. When she hurt Supes's ears with her scream did it physically hurt the legs of any humans in the area? Of course not, but that doesn't make the entire scene PIS. It's just the nature of comics(suspension of disbelief and all that)...

Originally posted by darthgoober
Ok, but I'm talking about specific instances. When she hurt Supes's ears with her scream did it physically hurt the legs of any humans in the area? Of course not, but that doesn't make the entire scene PIS. It's just the nature of comics(suspension of disbelief and all that)...

or that she can focus her scream in to a narrow or wide blast.

Originally posted by -Pr-
or that she can focus her scream in to a narrow or wide blast.
Hey if it's a wide blast that can hurt someone like Supes it should pretty much destroy any humans in the area.

Originally posted by 753
It remains PIS or a weak blow, at least to his legs.

BC can control the direction and spatial amplitude of the sound blast like some devices can, so she focuses the effects on a targetted volume in space to avoid collateral damage, but she can just blanket the whole battlefield the way a regular scream would. In an arena setting with no civilians, that's what she'd do.

Surrounding heat did affect him and the the rays themselves didnt hit his body, unlike Klaw.

He has no real defense against it.
It's not PIS dude, it's the nature of vibranium and comics. What you're arguing is no different than someone arguing that it's PIS for a human to take a bullet when they're wearing a bullet proof vest or to fly with something like rocket boots(which would NOT work in the real world). I also don't know why you'd assume it was a weak attack just because Cap's legs were ok. I'm not a peak human wearing armor and my legs can handle being exposed to some pretty high levels of sound without suffering any damage...

Klaw can do all of that and then some.

Sure the heat effected him and there's not a doubt in my mind that he'd hear enough of Canary's scream to know that it was happening, but if his shield absorbs the bulk of the scream there's no reason the rest would be guaranteed to take out Cap. I mean he heard sound when he went through that ordeal with Klaw(narration even talks about it), it just that his shield is THAT good.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Hey if it's a wide blast that can hurt someone like Supes it should pretty much destroy any humans in the area.

which instance are you talking about?

Originally posted by -Pr-
which instance are you talking about?
I'm not sure, I've just heard that she's dropped Supes and other Supes level people before.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not sure, I've just heard that she's dropped Supes and other Supes level people before.

ah.

the problem (as i seee it) is that she has such fine control over her scream that if she wanted to do a wide enough one that probably would liquify cap's brain, i don't see her not doing it. this is the woman that can hold a pool ball in her hand and make it crumble, or shatter an SUV flying through the air.

like (i think it was) 753, the shield shouldn't be able to absorb the entire sonic blast if it's not hitting the shield.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not sure, I've just heard that she's dropped Supes and other Supes level people before.
The argument I remember hearing is that Black Canary matched Silver Banshee (Jeanette) in a screaming match and Jeanette took down Wonder Woman with her scream.

Banshee has a magic element to her scream, though... Doesn't she?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Banshee has a magic element to her scream, though... Doesn't she?
I'm not sure if the magic element came into play so much as did the pure force and the fact that she caught Diana off guard with it.

In either case magic makes little difference to someone like Wonder Woman, she's not immune or anything but she's generally resistant to some degree.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I'm not sure if the magic element came into play so much as did the pure force and the fact that she caught Diana off guard with it.

In either case magic makes little difference to someone like Wonder Woman, she's not immune or anything but she's generally resistant to some degree.

bleh. i misunderstood your post. my bad.

Originally posted by -Pr-
ah.

the problem (as i seee it) is that she has such fine control over her scream that if she wanted to do a wide enough one that probably would liquify cap's brain, i don't see her not doing it. this is the woman that can hold a pool ball in her hand and make it crumble, or shatter an SUV flying through the air.

like (i think it was) 753, the shield shouldn't be able to absorb the entire sonic blast if it's not hitting the shield.

Yeah but she has line of sight and an unobstructed path for the pool ball and SUV, now if she's ever done something like destoy a pool ball pressed up against the opposite side of the SUV without damaging the SUV itself you might have a point.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Hey if it's a wide blast that can hurt someone like Supes it should pretty much destroy any humans in the area.


It's not PIS dude, it's the nature of vibranium and comics. What you're arguing is no different than someone arguing that it's PIS for a human to take a bullet when they're wearing a bullet proof vest or to fly with something like rocket boots(which would NOT work in the real world). I also don't know why you'd assume it was a weak attack just because Cap's legs were ok. I'm not a peak human wearing armor and my legs can handle being exposed to some pretty high levels of sound without suffering any damage...

I can't see a conection between any of these examples you listed and what happened there with klaw and CA.

If his peak human durabilty was enough to tank it, then it wasn't that big of a deal, but he was sure he would be killed instants before. BC's scream can destroy things a lot more durable than CA's body, she'd liquify his innards. That scan shows that CA still got tagged by Klaw despite the shield, because it only covers a small part of his body.

Maybe he can, but he obviously didn't.



Only what hits the shield directly will be absorbed, the rest will hit CA, since the shield is small and sound diffracts arround objects, a much bigger portion of the blast will hit CA than the one that will be absorbed.

Originally posted by 753
I can't see a conection between any of these examples you listed and what happened there with klaw and CA.

If his peak human durabilty was enough to tank it, then it wasn't that big of a deal, he was sure he would be killed instants before. BC's scream can destroy things a lot more durable than CA's body, she'd liquify his innards. That scan that CA still got tagged by Klaw despite the shield, because it only covers a small part of his body.

Maybe he can, but he obviously didn't.



Only what hits the shield directly will be absorbed, the rest will hit CA, since the shield is small and sound diffracts arround objects, a much bigger portion of the blast hit CA than be absorbed.
Simple, because it's vibranium and has been written as doing so the shield protects against sonic attacks it's a lot like the bullets/bulletproof vest thing. Because it's an unrealistic device by real world standards, it's like the rocket boots.

Has she ever liquified an entire human being before?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Simple, because it's vibranium and has been written as doing so the shield protects against sonic attacks it's a lot like the bullets/bulletproof vest thing. Because it's an unrealistic device by real world standards, it's like the rocket boots.

Has she ever liquified an entire human being before?
Not to my knowledge, but she has destroyed a small mountain before.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Simple, because it's vibranium and has been written as doing so the shield protects against sonic attacks it's a lot like the bullets/bulletproof vest thing. Because it's an unrealistic device by real world standards, it's like the rocket boots.

Has she ever liquified an entire human being before? I think she did it in blackest night.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Not to my knowledge, but she has destroyed a small mountain before.
Generally speaking things made of stone are more susuptable to sonic attacks because the vibrations cause it to shatter. Organic stuff is harder to cause direct damage on because it can move around and vibrate freely without breaking.

Originally posted by 753
I think she did it in blackest night.
Circumstances or scans?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Generally speaking things made of stone are more susuptable to sonic attacks because the vibrations cause it to shatter. Organic stuff is harder to cause direct damage on because it can move around and vibrate freely without breaking.
Bones shatter.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Bones shatter.
Bones are covered in soft flesh/muscle. That's not to say that there aren't vulnerable points of course, just that those are points.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Circumstances or scans? Black Lantern Oliver. She was just pissed off.

How do I post an image in its actual size here?

Originally posted by 753
How do I post an image in its actual size here?

<- without the space and the link of the image between the brackets

Originally posted by Parmaniac
<- without the space and the link of the image between the brackets the whole url?

Originally posted by 753
Black Lantern Oliver. She was just pissed off.
Impressive, but then again that's a full powered scream that's unobstructed and at point blank range. Her being able to do that in no way proves that she could get Cap behind his shield with the ambient sound alone. Plus by your logic it was obviously just PIS since the guys legs were undamaged .

And that's ignoring the fact that Cap's a hero and her own CIS would likely prevernt her from doing that just as Cap's would keep him from decapitating another hero with his shield right out of the gate.

yes, but if she has the power to do that she can ko him with less. I still see no reason why she wouldnt get him behind the shield. she also has the power to ko everyone within listening range with ultrasounds.

Originally posted by 753
yes, but if she has the power to do that she can ko him with less. I still see no reason why she wouldnt get him behind the shield. she also has the power to ko everyone within listening range with ultrasounds.
If she can get a strong enough sound to his head while it's behind his shield sure she could, but the fact that Klaw couldn't leads me to believe she couldn't. After all her scream didn't seem to damage that guys legs...

Originally posted by 753
the whole url? Yes but make sure that it really is the url of the pic some pichosters are a bit confusing on that.

Originally posted by darthgoober
If she can get a strong enough sound to his head while it's behind his shield sure she could, but the fact that Klaw couldn't leads me to believe she couldn't. After all her scream didn't seem to damage that guys legs... because he was so close the blast didnt reach them as it expanded outwards. It makes no difference to this. He's defenseless.

Originally posted by 753
because he was so close the blast didnt reach them as it expanded outwards. It makes no difference to this. He's defenseless.
In the scan you posted the sound looks like it hits the guys legs(not to mention the fact that you're whole point is that sound bounces around so it's pretty much everywhere). You can say that they survived because the sound wasn't primarily focused there if you want, but then the same can be said of Cap/Klaw which means that he's NOT defenseless.

Again, no connection. the shield isnt a sponge that can absorb surrounding enrrgy, only what hits it. A lot more enrgy will reach CA's body than will be absorbed by the shield.

If Cap's shield was some kind of passive, omnidirectional barrier against soundwaves then he'd never be able to hear.

Oh well, another example of comic book physics at work.

Originally posted by 753
Again, no connection. the shield isnt a sponge that can absorb surrounding enrrgy, only what hits it. A lot more enrgy will reach CA's body than will be absorbed by the shield.
And the energy that doesn't hit the shield will go around Cap. Some sound might spread once it's past the shield so that Cap still hears it, but you've shown nothing to suggest that the ambient sound that would remain would cause any kind of phyical damage, Klaw's certainly didn't.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
If Cap's shield was some kind of passive, omnidirectional barrier against soundwaves then he'd never be able to hear.

Oh well, another example of comic book physics at work.
Pretty much. Goes right up there with the shield absorbing kinetic energy but still ricochetting with enough force to ko multiple people and then return to Cap when it's thrown.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
If Cap's shield was some kind of passive, omnidirectional barrier against soundwaves then he'd never be able to hear.

Oh well, another example of comic book physics at work. If his shield absorbed kinetic energy then he wouldn't be able to hurt people with it.

I hate you goober!

Originally posted by Mindset
If his shield absorbed kinetic energy then he wouldn't be able to hurt people with it.
Also it would likely start turning really hot and/or bright after a while from the build up of energy.

Originally posted by Mindset
I hate you goober!

Originally posted by darthgoober
And the energy that doesn't hit the shield will go around Cap. Some sound might spread once it's past the shield so that Cap still hears it, but you've shown nothing to suggest that the ambient sound that would remain would cause any kind of phyical damage, Klaw's certainly didn't. because of the shield's size and the properties of sound and BC's feats of reach, we know that more energy will hit CA than be absorbed by the shield. she has destroyed cars, mountains, hurt supergirl badly, desintegrated ollie, etc. it's more than enough raw power to destroy CA and she cna ko him with a lot less, such as ultrasounds that affect the brain. the shield wont stop sound from reaching his body, he isn't deaf when using it. the attack would literally be coming at him from all directions and angles.

she could make him cringe in pain, ko him, liquify him, blow his eardrums, etc. the shield is not a plausible defense. you'd be better off arguing that with CIS on she's more likely to engage him h2h and lose before screaming

Originally posted by Mindset
If his shield absorbed kinetic energy then he wouldn't be able to hurt people with it. not really the force made by the guy's head on the shield would be nullified, but the force made by the shield on the guy's head wouldnt.

Originally posted by 753
not really the force made by the guy's head on the shield would be nullified, but the force made by the shield on the guy's head wouldnt. False

Originally posted by 753
because of the shield's size and the properties of sound and BC's feats of reach, we know that more energy will hit CA than be absorbed by the shield. she has destroyed cars, mountains, hurt supergirl badly, desintegrated ollie, etc. it's more than enough raw power to destroy CA and she cna ko him with a lot less, such as ultrasounds that affect the brain. the shield wont stop sound from reaching his body, he isn't deaf when using it. the attack would literally be coming at him from all directions and angles.

she could make him cringe in pain, ko him, liquify him, blow his eardrums, etc. the shield is not a plausible defense. you'd be better off arguing that with CIS on she's more likely to engage him h2h and lose before screaming
We don't know that at all, because you haven't shown anything from her to suggest that athe ambient sound left over will actually damage Cap. Klaw's got quite a few feats to his credit to and he was amped during his encounter with Cap. But despite his powerup there wasn't enough sound left to actually cause Cap any damage. He still heard noise from Klaw so some of the leftover ambient sound definately got to him, but it wasn't enough to do actually do anything. If Cap gets his shield up, she'll be lucky to leave him with his ears ringing.

She might make him cringe from his ears ringing, but that's about it. And the shield IS a plausible defense because it was specifically written as being one. If you're going to ignore that then I'm going to ignore what DC says and just go with a theory of my own that says that BC can't hurt ANYONE with her scream. And any instance you provide of her doing so is just PIS. For that matter, from now on GL rings can't create constructs and Thor's hammer can't return to him when it's thrown...

Originally posted by darthgoober
We don't know that at all, because you haven't shown anything from her to suggest that athe ambient sound left over will actually damage Cap. Klaw's got quite a few feats to his credit to and he was amped during his encounter with Cap. But despite his powerup there wasn't enough sound left to actually cause Cap any damage. He still heard noise from Klaw so some of the leftover ambient sound definately got to him, but it wasn't enough to do actually do anything. If Cap gets his shield up, she'll be lucky to leave him with his ears ringing. what leftover? what are you even talking about?

Her attack would be equally powerfull on all the points it hit.There is no reason to assume the bulk of it would be absorbed by a shield that doesn't drain energy from its surroundings and just absorbs what happens to hit it. Whatever doesn't hit the shield - the majority of the blast given its size and sound's diffracting properties - will hit him and should put him down given his durabilty and her offensive power. the shield doesnt create a force-field of any kind arround him.

Klaw's attack was either very weak or terrible writing/PIS, since CA isn't even bulletproof but his body could tank it without the shield. If Klaw really was packing the implied level of power, CA should have been cut in half. Then again it looks like he is deliberatelly targeting the shield like a moron in an atempt to break it. Example of PIS that pins CA against enemies he should never take down, but does anyway because the plot demands it.

Dinah's attack isn't unidirectional and would just blanket the field. Her feats show she could rip him to pieces.

I'll just go ahead and facepalm this paragraph facepalm

Originally posted by Mindset
False true, look it up

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah but she has line of sight and an unobstructed path for the pool ball and SUV, now if she's ever done something like destoy a pool ball pressed up against the opposite side of the SUV without damaging the SUV itself you might have a point.

it's not the same thing imo, considering the shield can't cover cap's entire body.

its pis that Cap's shield tend to protect his entire body but no one has taken into account his uniform being special material and his boots appears to be made of the same material as his gloves and we know hoe resistant those are.

plus, lets also realize that BC is still being hampered by Cis... is she goin to try and incinerate a human hero?

Originally posted by King Castle
its pis that Cap's shield tend to protect his entire body but no one has taken into account his uniform being special material and his boots appears to be made of the same material as his gloves and we know hoe resistant those are.

plus, lets also realize that BC is still being hampered by Cis... is she goin to try and incinerate a human hero? Now these are actual arguments. With CIS on he cna take some, but she still gets the majority, her less than lethal ways are very effective, she just KOs him with ultrasounds like Syrin does.

Originally posted by -Pr-
it's not the same thing imo, considering the shield can't cover cap's entire body.
It can if he crouches. And unless she's screaming hard enough to liquify flesh(something that she hasn't been shown to be able to do at anything other than point blank range to my knowledge), it hitting his legs and such wouldn't matter because it would have to reach his ears.

Originally posted by 753
Now these are actual arguments. With CIS on he cna take some, but she still gets the majority, her less than lethal ways are very effective, she just KOs him with ultrasounds like Syrin does.
I pointed out the fact that Cap was wearing armor earlier...

Originally posted by darthgoober
I pointed out the fact that Cap was wearing armor earlier... didn't see it. then klaw's attacks were of less power than it takes to destroy the armor. is it bulet proof? how durable is it?

Originally posted by 753
the portion of energy that does hit him wouldnt be weakened by the shield absorbing what hits it as you implied
The part that reaches his ears WILL be weakened.

Originally posted by 753
destroyed a mountain
Like I already said crumbling stone is different than liquifing flesh because flesh can bend without shattering.

Originally posted by 753
looking at the art I dont think they hit the part that survived, his thigh were gone.
Looks like it hits pretty much everything but his feet to me.

Originally posted by 753
your trolling skills need polishing
So that's what we can it when people ignore evidence?

Originally posted by 753
sure thing buddy.

Originally posted by 753
Now these are actual arguments. With CIS on he cna take some, but she still gets the majority, her less than lethal ways are very effective, she just KOs him with ultrasounds like Syrin does. has BC ko'ed anyone with a high frequency without the help of Doctor Mid- night lifting her and manipulating her diaphram?

not sure if she can do it on her own.

plus, captain america was tanking ironman's high frequency attacks that was paralyzing disorienting and ko'ing other heroes all varying in powersets and yet cap wouldnt fall down.

Originally posted by darthgoober
The part that reaches his ears WILL be weakened. why? pray tell

and I showed she can desintegrate flesh too, not that she needs to or would. claiming it would take more power to put a peak human down than to destroy a mountain is absurd anyways. even if flesh doesnt shatter like stone he'd be completely ****ed up



that's right

Originally posted by King Castle
has BC ko'ed anyone with a high frequency without the help of Doctor Mid- night lifting her and manipulating her diaphram?

not sure if she can do it on her own.

plus, captain america was tanking ironman's high frequency attacks that was paralyzing disorienting and ko'ing other heroes all varying in powersets and yet cap would fall down. havent seen it, his physiology can compensate to a degree, but I'd say she's beyond that

Originally posted by darthgoober
It can if he crouches. And unless she's screaming hard enough to liquify flesh(something that she hasn't been shown to be able to do at anything other than point blank range to my knowledge), it hitting his legs and such wouldn't matter because it would have to reach his ears.

why would it have to hit his ears? it's concussive as well as sonic.

but, nothin to suggest she can Ko anyone on her own like she did with the help of Dr. mid nite who help her physically reach those frequency and even if she could i say Cap would last long enough to toss his shield at her.

normally from what i can see she uses her scream to destroy stuff not very subtle in her application of her ability to reach ultra sonic frequencies.

it could be possible but it isnt the norm of her ability nor likely constant attack.

don't take this the wrong way, but you need to read more, then.

its bn taken the wrong way
http://www.funnychill.com/files/funny-pictures/hand-slap-mark.jpg

care to mention when she went ultra sonic ko ppl without the help of Dr. mid-nite?

Originally posted by -Pr-
why would it have to hit his ears? it's concussive as well as sonic.
Oh I meant to ko him. She might be able to knock him off his feat if she can put out enough concussive force at that range(I don't know about that one way or the other), but then all he'd have to do is crouch behind his shield.

actually, its more than possible for caps shield to absorb the sound. have you ever heard of sound walls? they use them in recording and stuff, they absorb area of effect sound to change the way it sounds to us. so yes, caps shield could definitely absorb the brunt of her scream

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
actually, its more than possible for caps shield to absorb the sound. have you ever heard of sound walls? they use them in recording and stuff, they absorb area of effect sound to change the way it sounds to us. so yes, caps shield could definitely absorb the brunt of her scream No it couldn't. Sound walls absorb what hits them and they are complex and large structures that still cant take of sound diffraction completely.

Sound waves would bend arround the edges of the shield propagating in the volume behind it. Klaw didnt do that, but that's just Klaw who actually behaves as light instead of sound. BC's scream certainly diffracts and she has the power output to take CA out shield, or no shield.

The shield can't cover his whole body either.

^ Cap's shield has blocked AoE blasts many times while he hides behind it. Human Torch went all-out nova blast a few dozen feet away from him and Cap just crouched behind his shield. It's natural to think that the heat would wrap around his shield and incinerate him -- which is exactly what Johnny feared until Cap ordered him to do it it -- but it didn't hurt Cap even though it fried Ultron's internal circitry and exhausted Johnny. He also hid behind his shield when a nuclear submarine self-destructed and he was INSIDE the submarine's launch tube and wasn't killed, just thrown for a loop.

When you have AoE attacks, for whatever reason, the concussive forces/heat/energy just splashes around him and leaves him relatively unscathed when he hides behind his shield (even if it doesn't completely cover his body). It's just how his shield works.

I think that's how the need to keep a character alive works. The shield does not propject a force-field arround him and on some occasions he can be seen suffering the environmental effects of the area attacks even if the blast does not touch him directly.

The fire from the nova blast wouldn't bend behind the shield, but the hot air should still have harmed him.

Since he isn't deafened by use of the shield I stick by my point, sound can still reach him behind the shield.

the shield gives him +1 to his aoe defence. check his bio noobs.

Originally posted by 753
I think that's how the need to keep a character alive works. The shield does not propject a force-field arround him and on some occasions he can be seen suffering the environmental effects of the area attacks even if the blast does not touch him directly.

The fire from the nova blast wouldn't bend behind the shield, but the hot air should still have harmed him.

Since he isn't deafened by use of the shield I stick by my point, sound can still reach him behind the shield. It just doesn't work that way. And your actual thoughts (while perfectly fair given any other situation) have been noted by characters within the comic on-panel and proven to just simply not apply to him and his shield.