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Issues of contention remaining:

Nero's ship: Above caps?
Vulcan needs a replacement.

We'll be discussing those in the discussion thread, not the old draft threads.

Draft 1: Hank Pym


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Pym

Draft 2: Giselle Villard

http://www.comicvine.com/giselle-villard/29-13291/

Draft 3: Meggan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meggan

Draft 4: Wolverine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolverine_(comics)

oh snap

I though Deadpool level HF was above caps.

Does Wolverine barely squeak by in that regard?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I though Deadpool level HF was above caps.

Does Wolverine barely squeak by in that regard? Deadpools HF>>>Logans.

Yeah, that.

Fair enough. Though I wonder what use Wolverine will be in a prep tourney with a Low Herald cap.

Could someone link me to the rules of this tournament? Looks promising.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t538736.html

On the first page.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Draft 4: Wolverine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolverine_(comics) Originally posted by King Kandy
2. Contestants will select teams of three characters, no amalgamation.

Whoever drafted Wolvy either has no idea what they're doing or has something creative planned.

Originally posted by Parmaniac


4th draft of the 3rd round

wolverine is the 4th person's 3rd pick

Draft 5: Warlock (Technarchy)

http://marvel.com/universe/Warlock_%28Technarchy%29

What's the limit on tech creation? I ask, of course, because Warlock just got picked. But I assume the rules are set up to prevent, say, Reed Richards from invention-stomping the tourney.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Fair enough. Though I wonder what use Wolverine will be in a prep tourney with a Low Herald cap.

He's an "extreme." Sometimes a good way to win is to have the best of something, whether it's speed, strength, tech, telepathy, etc. Adamantium is a "best" in durability in comic-dom (with a couple other possible contenders), so creative use of it could yield problems for many teams.

Now, it might just be someone who is about to get romped. But it's not without some potential.

The only limit is that the technology itself cannot use any of the banned tactics in the rules, such as being in violation of the Insta-Kill rule.

Of course, the capacity of characters to create/access tech is considered in whether they are above the caps (one of the reasons Dr. Doom is off limits).

Originally posted by King Kandy
Draft 5: Warlock (Technarchy)

http://marvel.com/universe/Warlock_%28Technarchy%29 Originally posted by psycho gundam
oh snap

Originally posted by King Kandy
Draft 3: Meggan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meggan

Wouldn't this fall under power copying? The scans are in her respect thread:

"Meggan's most formidable talent is her ability to instantly mimic the powers of other superhumans, in one case turning into fully empowered duplicates of Dazzler, Rogue, Colossus, Longshot, Storm, Wolverine, Rachel Summers, and Havok in rapid succession."

I also seem to remember her using Silver Surfers powers at one point and also growing to such a size as to fight Galactus by herself.

I guess what I think is, power copying is more of a banned tactic than it is a banned power. As in, you can draft someone with it, but you can't use it. Like insta-kill abilities, you can build a machine during prep, but you can't use it if it has insta-kill powers.

can I change my pick to Dr. Strange under those guidelines?

EDIT: jokes of course

Side note- could we define power copying?

Is power copying like Faust, or Mimic, or even Absorbing Man, where they require an external source to copy/borrow from? Or is it any high level shape shifter who could use another character's powers as inspiration?

Would Meggan shapeshifting to look like Nightcrawler constitute power copying even if it was under her own power (or, I guess, her power comes from the earth/nature/energy, but the point being it doesn't come from Nightcrawler)? Even if Nightcrawler was nowhere near her?

Originally posted by Existere
Side note- could we define power copying?

Is power copying like Faust, or Mimic, or even Absorbing Man, where they require an external source to copy/borrow from? Or is it any high level shape shifter who could use another character's powers as inspiration?

Would Meggan shapeshifting to look like Nightcrawler constitute power copying even if it was under her own power (or, I guess, her power comes from the earth/nature/energy, but the point being it doesn't come from Nightcrawler)? Even if Nightcrawler was nowhere near her?

Does she get his powers? If so, then IMO, thats power copying.

If that's Meggans ability, then she seems over the caps anyways. I understood that she needed another's presence.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Wouldn't this fall under power copying? The scans are in her respect thread:

"Meggan's most formidable talent is her ability to instantly mimic the powers of other superhumans, in one case turning into fully empowered duplicates of Dazzler, Rogue, Colossus, Longshot, Storm, Wolverine, Rachel Summers, and Havok in rapid succession."

I also seem to remember her using Silver Surfers powers at one point and also growing to such a size as to fight Galactus by herself. Taking a look at her respect thread, it appears that much of this is context sensitive-

The stuff about her copying the mutants said that she was telepathically connected with Rachel, and used her telepathic guidance to cycle through their different abilities.

The Silver Surfer bit refers to when she was in a magical dimension that heightened her powers significantly.

The Galactus scan seems to imply she could only keep it up for a small amount of time or else she'd burn out her entire energy source (the earth). And she never fought Galactus, just grew really big.

None of those scream > low herald to me, but I'll let Kandy be the judge.

Ha. Welcome to hosting, Kandy. Good job thus far, but the iffy picks are always an excellent test of a host's limits and mettle. It seems like Vulcan was a warmup for this round.

Originally posted by Existere
The stuff about her copying the mutants said that she was telepathically connected with Rachel, and used her telepathic guidance to cycle through their different abilities.
This worries me. So as long as she has the correct information, she can take on the powers of pretty much anyone (including Omega Levels)? Also, didn't she halt the Chaos Wave at one point?

Originally posted by King Kandy
This worries me. So as long as she has the correct information, she can take on the powers of pretty much anyone (including Omega Levels)? Also, didn't she halt the Chaos Wave at one point? That power has never been demonstrated, as far as I know. It all seems to be some basic shape shifting- she turned into Sand, a la Sandman once- or basic energy energy manipulation- guided via Rachel, she was able to turn sound into light like Dazzler.

When she had access to a dimension of magical energy, she was capable of recreating something that was compared to the power cosmic, complete with a Surfer-ish silver glaze.

She's enhanced her senses, given herself the ability of breathing fire, or immunity to toxins. All just natural extensions of being a shape shifter and an elemental.

Here are the Chaos Wave scans

http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen465page19rk5.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen465page20cv0.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen465page21sm5.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen465page22pw0.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen465page23xk4.jpg

So, it leads to me believe that it was a ridiculous one-time amp (much like the Silver Surfer one) that led to an unquantifiable feat relating to how she was of a similar energy source to the wave/the area the wave was in... like Invisible Woman busting a hole in a celestial.

Again, nothing that screams > Low Herald to me, but all impressive none the less.

It states in wiki that she took the powers of Rachel herself. Did she?

Originally posted by King Kandy
It states in wiki that she took the powers of Rachel herself. Did she? I'm looking into it now. The respect thread scans aren't working.

Rachel isn't an omega level mutant though, and isn't a low herald, so I'm surprised if that's the case make-or-break point.

Also, point of clarity, 'took' is a misleading word, seeing as we've only seen her emulate powers via shapeshifting and energy manipulation, and never actually take other people's attributes or powers from them. Anyways, I'll bring up the info as soon as it's available to me.

So, it's late, but flipping through them, I see her transform into:

Wolverine
Longshot
Dazzler
Havok
Storm
Colossus
Rogue

All for a few panels each, while her mind was taken over by Rachel/Phoenix.

Yeah... i'm going to have to reject her then. There's too many possibilities and not enough limits, her capabilities seem clearly above the caps to me.

Draft 6: Vision

http://marvel.wikia.com/Vision_%28Earth-616%29

Replacement for Vulcan: Bishop

http://marvel.wikia.com/Lucas_Bishop_%28Earth-1191%29

Replacement for Meggan: Living Monolith

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_Monolith

Originally posted by King Kandy
Replacement for Meggan: Living Monolith

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_Monolith


Awesome.

Draft 7: Nyeun Chun Ti (Persuader)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persuader_(comics)

Originally posted by King Kandy
Draft 7: Nyeun Chun Ti (Persuader)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persuader_(comics)
A Swedish power metal band?

That's hardly fair. They'll **** shit up with magical guitar solos and summoned dragons.

Originally posted by Bentley
Awesome.

co-signed. delph using him in an old High Meta tourney *cough* was a thrill for me to judge.