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Blue Marvel takes it.

Wow nihilst... just wow.

Originally posted by carver9
Wow nihilst... just wow. Same can be said for you and your Hulk stomps everyone shit.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Same can be said for you and your Hulk stomps everyone shit.

I never said that hulk stomp everyone... give thanos his powers and he could get a 10/10 against hulk.

What I said is that thanos cannot beat wwh in a brawl and he can't . Blue marvel is a brawler and that would be his downfall against hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
I never said that hulk stomp everyone... give thanos his powers and he could get a 10/10 against hulk.

What I said is that thanos cannot beat wwh in a brawl and he can't . Blue marvel is a brawler and that would be his downfall against hulk. Thanos showings of durability and striking power and WWH's not so great showings against anyone of a decent lvl say Thanos can beat Hulk in a brawl.

Blue Marvel isnt just a brawler as shown when he beat Anti Man. Blue Marvel out punched Sentry(and the Avengers at the same time), and the Sentry was being pushed to his limits(his own words). BM even temp koed Sentry, something WWH couldnt do despite 7 free shots.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Thanos showings of durability and striking power and WWH's not so great showings against anyone of a decent lvl say Thanos can beat Hulk in a brawl.

Blue Marvel isnt just a brawler as shown when he beat Anti Man. Blue Marvel out punched Sentry(and the Avengers at the same time), and the Sentry was being pushed to his limits(his own words). BM even temp koed Sentry, something WWH couldnt do despite 7 free shots.

Thanos striking power isn't as impressive as the hulk... someone who almost knocked someone out of orbit with a mere punch. Someone who was creating tidal wave with the swing of his arm during a fight.

Stop bringing up the sentry fight... it holds no weight here. By the way, one punch from the hulk busted sentry face completely up. Wwh was trying to reason with sentry... blue marvel didn't have that on his mind. Blue marvel was also getting dropped by sentry until someone stopped the fight.

Thanos isn't beating wwh in a mele fight.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Same can be said for you and your Hulk stomps everyone shit.



Hulk > Galactus

Originally posted by carver9
Thanos striking power isn't as impressive as the hulk... someone who almost knocked someone out of orbit with a mere punch. Someone who was creating tidal wave with the swing of his arm during a fight.Punched out of orbit, but did no real damage, having fancy after effects dont mean shit if they dont do much. Fact Thanos killed Surfer with 7-8 punches, WWH couldnt even put Sentry down with 7 free punches, and if you think Sentry is anything like Surfer lvl prove it.

F*cking say's who? And 1 punch from a depowered Juggs busted Hulks face up, and KO>>>>>>>>>>>busting someones face. Blue Marvel didnt want to fight the Avengers, he was trying to reason with them about Anti Man. More lies, Sentry was getting owned untill BM punched him into space and ko'd him(by the way didnt you just omg Hulk nearly punched Skaar into orbit, well BM punched Sentry into orbit Sentry>>>>>>Skaar) Sentry only dropped BM whe he sneak dive bombed him from space after he'd woke up, and BM was still fighting the Avengers at the time. Sentry could hardly stand up after the sneak attack and had to be held up by Ares and Iron man.

Yeah he is a his feats/showings show and Hulks feats show that Thanos beats him down.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Same can be said for you and your Hulk stomps everyone shit.



Originally posted by Nihilist
Punched out of orbit, but did no real damage, having fancy after effects dont mean shit if they dont do much. Fact Thanos killed Surfer with 7-8 punches, WWH couldnt even put Sentry down with 7 free punches, and if you think Sentry is anything like Surfer lvl prove it.

F*cking say's who? And 1 punch from a depowered Juggs busted Hulks face up, and KO>>>>>>>>>>>busting someones face. Blue Marvel didnt want to fight the Avengers, he was trying to reason with them about Anti Man. More lies, Sentry was getting owned untill BM punched him into space and ko'd him(by the way didnt you just omg Hulk nearly punched Skaar into orbit, well BM punched Sentry into orbit Sentry>>>>>>Skaar) Sentry only dropped BM whe he sneak dive bombed him from space after he'd woke up, and BM was still fighting the Avengers at the time. Sentry could hardly stand up after the sneak attack and had to be held up by Ares and Iron man.

Yeah he is a his feats/showings show and Hulks feats show that Thanos beats him down.

Booyah!

lol, sentry used a lot of energy "going all out" against hulk, hence his power down. his performance against blue marvel doesn't look like he was in the same mindset...... at all.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Punched out of orbit, but did no real damage, having fancy after effects dont mean shit if they dont do much. Fact Thanos killed Surfer with 7-8 punches, WWH couldnt even put Sentry down with 7 free punches, and if you think Sentry is anything like Surfer lvl prove it.

F*cking say's who? And 1 punch from a depowered Juggs busted Hulks face up, and KO>>>>>>>>>>>busting someones face. Blue Marvel didnt want to fight the Avengers, he was trying to reason with them about Anti Man. More lies, Sentry was getting owned untill BM punched him into space and ko'd him(by the way didnt you just omg Hulk nearly punched Skaar into orbit, well BM punched Sentry into orbit Sentry>>>>>>Skaar) Sentry only dropped BM whe he sneak dive bombed him from space after he'd woke up, and BM was still fighting the Avengers at the time. Sentry could hardly stand up after the sneak attack and had to be held up by Ares and Iron man.

Yeah he is a his feats/showings show and Hulks feats show that Thanos beats him down.

Thor has dropped surfer as well and has of yet to even lay the hulk down. Hell, vision has stalemated surfer in a physical contestant of strength. What does any of this prove though. I don't get it... help a brother out.

Like I told you before... wwh was trying to reason with bob, not take his head off. Do you not understand any of this? The only thing blue marvel did was surprise sentry, that's it. If the fight would have progressed, sentry would have won. Again, stop bringing up the wwh sentry fight because second after that, when wwh got serious, he turned into a super saiyan.

Thanos doesn't stand a chance against hulk in a physical fight. He will do good but eventually he will drop by his superior. By the way, you are seriously underating skaar during his fight against hulk. The fantastic four along with some members of the avenger were unable to even bugde this guy whereas you haqve people like gamora turning thanos head with a kick and actually made him fall to the floor when pressing her attack. Then you spidrman kicking thanos in the head making his head turn but again... a list of avengers along with the fantastic four was unable to even move skaar a inch.

Stop bringing up hulk bleeding, I never said that he was completely invulnerable... his healing factor is what makes him and would be something that thanos would not be able to overcome.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
lol, sentry used a lot of energy "going all out" against hulk, hence his power down. his performance against blue marvel doesn't look like he was in the same mindset...... at all. Because he used energy means he was going all out . He even said BM was taking him to his limit, plus his eyes were going a different colour just like they did when he started to Void out at the start of Dark Avengers run.

Originally posted by The Pict




Booyah!

Of course you will agree with him.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Because he used energy means he was going all out . He even said BM was taking him to his limit, plus his eyes were going a different colour just like they did when he started to Void out at the start of Dark Avengers run.

How about you compare the two fights... you will see the difference and again, he taxed out against the hulk... he wasn't CLOSE to taxing out against blue marvel.

carver lets visuals get in the way of better judgment creating tidal waves by swinging? Is that suppose to mean anything relevant? I say Hulk wins more than not unless Marvel uppercut bfrs his ass

Originally posted by Nihilist
Because he used energy means he was going all out . He even said BM was taking him to his limit, plus his eyes were going a different colour just like they did when he started to Void out at the start of Dark Avengers run. sentry's words, not mine *shrug*

he said hulk's the only one he could hit without holding back, and proved that his usage of energy during the fight was enough to make him revert to human state.

hulk still had the iceberg waiting up his sleeve, sentry fought the tip

Originally posted by carver9
Thor has dropped surfer as well and has of yet to even lay the hulk down.So lay drop =kill now. And Hulk has never been any sort of threat to Surfer. Why do you always think strength means greater striking power, its like saying a weightlifter hits harder than a boxer. It means with the same amount of punches Thanos did far far more damge to a high herald than WWH did , and dont give me Hulk wasnt trying to hurt Sentry.

Do you not understand BM didnt want to fight the Avengers as well. Complete bullshit, BM was fighting the Avengers when Sentry came at him and got knocked the fook out. You have nothing to base this off other than your own bullshit, fact BM took Sentry on with others, and Sentry only got the upper hand with a sneak attack when BM was owning the Avengers.. Like Sentry said he was pushed to his limits.

Thanos puts Hulk down, his durability is shit and Thanos wouldnt give him chance to regain himself as we saw against Surfer. All they did was try and break the conection to the ground so he couldnt absorb the energy via the old power. WOW turned his head, and he never fell to the floor. That turn of the head did massive damage didnt it, gtfo with your shit examples, Rockslide a junior mutnat knocked Hulk off balance and was falling on his ass. And you expect that piss poor line up to be able to do anything against Thanos.

You mentioned Hulk busting Sentrys face as if it was something uber, when a guy like Sentry can bust up Hulk as well, just imagine what BM would do, a guy who punches Sentry into orbit. Of course he would, he just wouldnt stop beating the shit out of him like Zomstrange did and we say how Hulk fared against someone of similar strength and good durability against Juggernaut he was getting his ass handed to him.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
sentry's words, not mine *shrug*

he said hulk's the only one he could hit without holding back, and proved that his usage of energy during the fight was enough to make him revert to human state.

hulk still had the iceberg waiting up his sleeve, sentry fought the tip And Sentry had more up his sleeve, like when he doesnt hold back and starts Voiding like when his eyes change colour just like when he fought BM.

Originally posted by carver9
How about you compare the two fights... you will see the difference and again, he taxed out against the hulk... he wasn't CLOSE to taxing out against blue marvel. Why because of energy, the energy did nothing to aid or amp him physically.

Originally posted by Nihilist
And Sentry had more up his sleeve, like when he doesnt hold back and starts Voiding like when his eyes change colour just like when he fought BM. except, they didn't (unless yellow means void, he had that and more when facing hulk)

Originally posted by psycho gundam
except, they didn't (unless yellow means void, he had that and more when facing hulk) It did the vey same in Dark Avengers after Osbourne started to get him to not hold back/ Void, and when it was revealed he had been giving him more of that serum which started to help him go Void more. The longer/more often he Void the darker his eyes became.

you're reaching

don't make me post both of the fights in comparison

Originally posted by psycho gundam
you're reaching

don't make me post both of the fights in comparison Post the fights it wont make any difference to me.

Reaching is implying the energy Sentry releashed somehow aided/amped him physically, so he was at full strengh/going all out when fighting BM.

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y'all be the judge Yeah like is said Sentry was giving it his all, like when he fought Hulk. Good job of leaving out the scans of BM fighting the Avengers and Sentry before hand, whilst youre at it why don you post the scans of Anti man physicall owning Sentry then BM physically owning Anti Man.

Marvel also took it to Hyperion.

And Namor said the only people who ever hit him as hard as Blue Marvel were Hulk and Thor.


Long story short, Marvel is about as strong as someone can get in the Marvel universe, he's a super genius, and he has high end energy manip powers. He takes a majority.

i have to post all that also? the idea was to show you that the eyes don't mean shit, cause if you want to go that route sentry was glowing all over n shit while fighting hulk, enough to drain himself.

Originally posted by Nihilist
whilst youre at it why don you post the scans of Anti man physicall owning Sentry then BM physically owning Anti Man. cause sentry beating BM, the guy who beat the guy who beat sentry, is not my concern

Originally posted by Nihilist
So lay drop =kill now. And Hulk has never been any sort of threat to Surfer. Why do you always think strength means greater striking power, its like saying a weightlifter hits harder than a boxer. It means with the same amount of punches Thanos did far far more damge to a high herald than WWH did , and dont give me Hulk wasnt trying to hurt Sentry.

Do you not understand BM didnt want to fight the Avengers as well. Complete bullshit, BM was fighting the Avengers when Sentry came at him and got knocked the fook out. You have nothing to base this off other than your own bullshit, fact BM took Sentry on with others, and Sentry only got the upper hand with a sneak attack when BM was owning the Avengers.. Like Sentry said he was pushed to his limits.

Thanos puts Hulk down, his durability is shit and Thanos wouldnt give him chance to regain himself as we saw against Surfer. All they did was try and break the conection to the ground so he couldnt absorb the energy via the old power. WOW turned his head, and he never fell to the floor. That turn of the head did massive damage didnt it, gtfo with your shit examples, Rockslide a junior mutnat knocked Hulk off balance and was falling on his ass. And you expect that piss poor line up to be able to do anything against Thanos.

You mentioned Hulk busting Sentrys face as if it was something uber, when a guy like Sentry can bust up Hulk as well, just imagine what BM would do, a guy who punches Sentry into orbit. Of course he would, he just wouldnt stop beating the shit out of him like Zomstrange did and we say how Hulk fared against someone of similar strength and good durability against Juggernaut he was getting his ass handed to him.

Ok... none of your post made sense. Why would thor try to kill surfer? Why would hulk want to kill sentry? They are heros... they pull their punches (unlike thanos). Wwh and thor had no reason in killing anybody during their encounter. Hulk wasn't trying t kill sentry with 7 or 8 punches. Why kill a hero? Why kill a guy that you like...HE PULLED HIS PUNCHES and even then, he still busted that face up. Wwh held back the entire time... against everyone that he encountered, he had no reason to go all out because again, even though he was whippin everyone ass, he stiil had that hero mentality "which AGAIN was stated at least 3 times during the arc.

I don't care what blue marvel intentions were... the sentry that hulk fought demonstrated far more power than the sentry that blue marvel fought. Do you want to know why? He was going all out. Everyone use the phrase "it took everything in me to beat this person" on panel shows the difference between each battle. Sentry was taxed against a holding back hulk and sentry was escorted to the hospital whereas hulk was still at 120%.

Lol... please tell me you didn't bring up juggernaut. Juggernaut durability>thanos. Juggernaut tanked attackes that would make thanos piss on himself. in regards to juggernauts strength, it has been stated on at least 3 occasions that I can remember that cytorrak grants juggernaut unlimited strength. Yeah, I can see him doing good against hulk and I can also see him DESTROYING thanos in a physical fight as well... especially if we base it off of how he treated thor and the exemplers.

Do you not understand that the fantastic four along with members of the avengers couldn't even BUDGE skaar? That's some amazing sh*j. The only person that was able to move him was the hulk... skaar was amped to insane levels. I could see thing bugding thanos, hell, I could see thing punches knocking thanos to the ground (not doing any damage though) due to his showings against weaker beings. Skaar during that fight was clearly one of the most powerful beings on the planet and spiderman kicks wouldn't be able to turn his head (lol) and gamora wouldn't be able to turn that head either (lol). He was a clear 100 trillion tonner. We don't even know if thanos has that type of strength.

Originally posted by carver9
Why wouldnt he try to kill Surfer, he was in a mad/enraged state when he downed Surfer, in fact Thor in that state said he was gonna kill everyone. All of this so called holding back talk was said before he fought Sentry and failed to put Miek down. Kill or not Hulk couldnt even ko Sentry with 7 free shots that is piss poor.

Based on what? physically he was exactly the same. You still miss the fact Sentry still going all out could only put BM down with a sneak attack, and he ko'd Sentry after battling others, Hulk couldnt put Sentry down despite trying.

Dont talk stupid, oh wait do you believe Juggswalks around with his FF on, because he didnt against Hulk, and durability feat Juggs has Thanos could do. Juggs got beat down by Capt Uni, Juggs wouldnt destroy Thanos in a fight at all, you go around making stupid statement without anything to back them up. He never beat Thor physically at all, only in 8th day mode which no Hulk has ever faced. Thanos slapped Thor and the Avengers around for fun and that was a weaker pr res Thanos. The Examplers have no great feats to call of to use as any kind of example.

Like i said they are all nobodys You seem to be amazed by shit things. funny Thing did punch a pre res weaker Thanos and didnt do a thing, you come up with some shit. You have just proved you are a grade a moron, when Weak people actually Hurt WWH, them turing his head did no f*cking damage. It takes a shotfrom a cosmic cube to nearly ko Thanos, WWH gets hurt from a re powered weaker She Hulk.

TBH the whole part about you believing Thing can take it to Thanos and have a chance makes me think youre just a troll.

Actually Cain wins every time he and Thor have fought.

And that thing with Captain Universe beating Juggernaut...you failed to mention how he used energy to blast his helmet apart, then take him down with telepathy.

Originally posted by KingD19


And that thing with Captain Universe beating Juggernaut...you failed to mention how he used energy to blast his helmet apart, then take him down with telepathy. Both of which Thanos could easily do, plus Thanos punches using energy as well.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Both of which Thanos could easily do, plus Thanos punches using energy as well.

I never said anything about Thanos. I was simply pointing out that you made it seem like Universe beat Cain in a straight off fight. When in reality, he sneak attacked him, and tried to use telepathy on him, but the helmet got in the way. So he used his energy powers to shred it, then used TP. Once Juggs would out of lockup, he beat Universe down like he was nothing.

Don't even bring Captain Universe into this. He'd tool any of these people. Anyway, I'd say BM for the win more often then not. He'd better make it quick though because Banner will go from 0-60 real quick.

Captain Universe is ghey.

Originally posted by dmills
Don't even bring Captain Universe into this. He'd tool any of these people. Anyway, I'd say BM for the win more often then not. He'd better make it quick though because Banner will go from 0-60 real quick.

It actually depends on which Universe it as, as his actual powers and power level fluctuate depending on who the uni-power is possessing at the time.

And Blue Marvel does take the majority, as he knows Hulk and knows he'll have to go all out from the giddyup. He pours onto him with everything he has, including full strength anti-matter beams, and all his strength. Hulk gets ko'd or knocked into space.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Why wouldnt he try to kill Surfer, he was in a mad/enraged state when he downed Surfer, in fact Thor in that state said he was gonna kill everyone. All of this so called holding back talk was said before he fought Sentry and failed to put Miek down. Kill or not Hulk couldnt even ko Sentry with 7 free shots that is piss poor.

Based on what? physically he was exactly the same. You still miss the fact Sentry still going all out could only put BM down with a sneak attack, and he ko'd Sentry after battling others, Hulk couldnt put Sentry down despite trying.

Dont talk stupid, oh wait do you believe Juggswalks around with his FF on, because he didnt against Hulk, and durability feat Juggs has Thanos could do. Juggs got beat down by Capt Uni, Juggs wouldnt destroy Thanos in a fight at all, you go around making stupid statement without anything to back them up. He never beat Thor physically at all, only in 8th day mode which no Hulk has ever faced. Thanos slapped Thor and the Avengers around for fun and that was a weaker pr res Thanos. The Examplers have no great feats to call of to use as any kind of example.

Like i said they are all nobodys You seem to be amazed by shit things. funny Thing did punch a pre res weaker Thanos and didnt do a thing, you come up with some shit. You have just proved you are a grade a moron, when Weak people actually Hurt WWH, them turing his head did no f*cking damage. It takes a shotfrom a cosmic cube to nearly ko Thanos, WWH gets hurt from a re powered weaker She Hulk.

TBH the whole part about you believing Thing can take it to Thanos and have a chance makes me think youre just a troll.

Lol... hear you go putting word in my mouth. I never said that thing could beat thanos in a fight... reread what I said.

Juggernaut punked thor TWICE and laughed off everything that he threw at him. Juggernaut physically is matched by none and that's including thanos.

Tbh... I was lowballing thanos because you was lowballing hulk. I already know that gamora ain't sh*j against thanos... I also know that spiderman isn't either but again... you bringing up high end people busting hulk lip isn't proving anything because of that amazing healing factor that he has.

The only thing I am going to say about thanos vs hulk is that they will be meeting soon and I hope thanos gets his sh** pushed in. Let's get off of thanos, he doesn't belong here.

You are either BLIND or in denial. Sentry used far more power against the hulk... hell, during the beginning of the fight, hulk LET sentry beat on him for a couple of panels because he was trying to talk him down.

Thor and surfer fought more than once and a regula, none enraged thor droped surfer and again, why would thor try to kill surfer... its outside of his code?

Hulk was holding back and nothing happened to make that change. He was still saving lives while beating heros in the face. The only time he got serious was during the end.

As for the fight... wwh wins 8/10

Originally posted by carver9
wwh wins 8/10 at least, while still in green scar mode

Originally posted by psycho gundam
at least, while still in green scar mode

Any other way and hulk is getting killed.

lol wut?

i mean if he gets even more powerful i.e. nearing worldbreaker, it's a rap for blue marvel as a living character

Hulk wins.

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y'all be the judge The Hulk would beat BM.

Hulk would win.

BM hasn't impressed me much.

Taking out Sentry, the Avengers, Anti-Man, Namor, nearly splitting the moon in half with a punch, lifting a 93,000 ton battle ship, stopping an asteroid the size of arkanas from impacting Earth(must've weighed millions-trillions of tons), and taking down King Hyperion aren't impressive?

Even his writers have said he's up there with the likes of Hulk and Thor and Sentry.

Going with the Blue Marvel.
6/10

Originally posted by KingD19
Taking out Sentry, the Avengers, Anti-Man, Namor, nearly splitting the moon in half with a punch, lifting a 93,000 ton battle ship, stopping an asteroid the size of arkanas from impacting Earth(must've weighed millions-trillions of tons), and taking down King Hyperion aren't impressive?

Even his writers have said he's up there with the likes of Hulk and Thor and Sentry.

Yeah, I agree, he is up there with the likes of thor and supes and he was up there with hulk as well until hulk got that huge jump in power at his current levels.

93000 tons isn't nothing to a guy that toys around with 100 trillion tons.

Are we using Savage Hulk, or current Hulk who refers to himself as World Breaker/Green Scar?

Originally posted by KingD19
Are we using Savage Hulk, or current Hulk who refers to himself as World Breaker/Green Scar?


current

I still give it to Adam. He's far too versatile, and a BFR is a win, he can BFR Hulk near the start of the fight if he gets a clean shot.

IMO BM takes the majority.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk stomps



Originally posted by carver9

What I said is that thanos cannot beat wwh in a brawl and he can't . Blue marvel is a brawler and that would be his downfall against hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
Any other way and hulk is getting killed.

So do you think Hulk wins or not? It's not WWH he is fighting.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Going with the Blue Marvel.
6/10

Originally posted by The Pict
IMO BM takes the majority.









So do you think Hulk wins or not? It's not WWH he is fighting.
Hulk is probably stronger than WWH right now.

If this was a pure brawl, Hulk SMASH!

Ive yet to see BM display any significat blitzing capacity in battle and he would need that for sure if he wanted to beat Hulk in a straight physical confrontation.

Hulk wins

It's kind of hard to tell with BM since he hasn't had many appearances, and all the significant ones have have basically been by his fanboy creator trying to shove him into Marvel and make him look cool (he can fight the Sentry and beat up the whole Avengers, and he's a super-genius, and a military man, and friends with the Watcher and Sub-Mariner and the President, and everyone respects him, and he hits like Thor and Hulk - all in one pretty bad intro story??? Talk about fanfic.)

These Sentry/WWH and Sentry/BM comparisons are also difficult to go by given there were circumstances in both. Still, despite BM surprising Sentry with his power, Sentry did win and knock him clean out for the count. By Sentry's own words he wasn't even really ticked off yet at the point where BM was downed and he got kind of sucker-punched into orbit (I'm guessing he probably was afterwards). But he gave fair warning to BM not to tick him off, and when he did that was it for BM in that fight.

And Sentry I was never impressed with anyway. Despite being called the most powerful hero on earth (supposedly considered above the likes of Thor, Hulk, and BM) it didn't show unless he voided out or went all Molecule Man, otherwise he was all over the place and getting roughed up by the likes of She-Hulk and Human Torch. Taking it to Sentry is an ambiguous feat at his regular sort of levels.

Anyway flight is BM's big advantage and that could tip the scales somewhat or allow for BFR. But as for energy, seeing the ridiculous levels Hulk is portrayed at these days tanking Hiro's blasts etc that probably isn't enough. Until there are more BM appearances to judge by I think current Hulk will take a good majority for now.

Originally posted by carver9
Yeah, I agree, he is up there with the likes of thor and supes and he was up there with hulk as well until hulk got that huge jump in power at his current levels.

93000 tons isn't nothing to a guy that toys around with 100 trillion tons.

He is nowhere near Superman at this point in time.

His high feats are mundane by DC brick standards.

Split

Blue wins. But wouldn't be surprised if Hulk won either.

Blue did defeat King Hyperion. Also did anyone notice that Sentry sneak attacked Blue(Blue at least KO Sentry during the fight...no suprise/sneak attack needed) so hard he almost ktf himself out. LOL

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... hear you go putting word in my mouth. I never said that thing could beat thanos in a fight... reread what I said.Dont try to back track now, you said Thing could put Thanos down/do damage physically..and i put you straight making you look a fool. Then again didnt you say Colossus is a physical match for Superman...

A weaker Thanos punked Thor and the Avengers at once, so it aint no great shakes. Thanos matches Juggs Physically, Juggs dont have the power to put down Thanos.

She Hulk, Depowered Juggs and Thing are not high end guys, you miss you fact that Thanos is leagues above them in terms of striking power, therefore doing more damage and wouldnt let up like Dr Strange did giving him chance to heal.

lulzWhat a sad desperate loser you are, the only way Hulk pushes Thanos shit in is if a moron writes it like Pak.

Nah Snetry used the same amount of physical force in both fights. They traded blows when Hulk was trying to talk to him, all that was after Hulk had 7 free shots that did virtually nothing.

In Blood and Thunder Thor was on a warpath, and said he'd kill anybody that stood in his way, plus he didnt put Surfer down with nowhere near the ease Thanos did, Surfer gave Thor a fight.

Only 3rd parties said he was holding back, and he clearly wasnt holding back against Miek, thats why the Warbound had to drag him off twice, after the first time he fought his way back through them just to stomp Miek whilst he was prone on the floor.

More like 4/10

Originally posted by KingD19
Taking out Sentry, the Avengers, Anti-Man, Namor, nearly splitting the moon in half with a punch, lifting a 93,000 ton battle ship, stopping an asteroid the size of arkanas from impacting Earth(must've weighed millions-trillions of tons), and taking down King Hyperion aren't impressive?

Even his writers have said he's up there with the likes of Hulk and Thor and Sentry.


Weaker versions of Hulk have feats that surpass all of these feats listed.

Originally posted by KingD19
Marvel also took it to Hyperion.

And Namor said the only people who ever hit him as hard as Blue Marvel were Hulk and Thor.


Long story short, Marvel is about as strong as someone can get in the Marvel universe, he's a super genius, and he has high end energy manip powers. He takes a majority. Hulk is stronger and smarter. we've seen him wade trhough sentry's energy manipulation, BM isn't taking him.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Dont try to back track now, you said Thing could put Thanos down/do damage physically..and i put you straight making you look a fool. Then again didnt you say Colossus is a physical match for Superman...

A weaker Thanos punked Thor and the Avengers at once, so it aint no great shakes. Thanos matches Juggs Physically, Juggs dont have the power to put down Thanos.

She Hulk, Depowered Juggs and Thing are not high end guys, you miss you fact that Thanos is leagues above them in terms of striking power, therefore doing more damage and wouldnt let up like Dr Strange did giving him chance to heal.

lulzWhat a sad desperate loser you are, the only way Hulk pushes Thanos shit in is if a moron writes it like Pak.

Nah Snetry used the same amount of physical force in both fights. They traded blows when Hulk was trying to talk to him, all that was after Hulk had 7 free shots that did virtually nothing.

In Blood and Thunder Thor was on a warpath, and said he'd kill anybody that stood in his way, plus he didnt put Surfer down with nowhere near the ease Thanos did, Surfer gave Thor a fight.

Only 3rd parties said he was holding back, and he clearly wasnt holding back against Miek, thats why the Warbound had to drag him off twice, after the first time he fought his way back through them just to stomp Miek whilst he was prone on the floor.

More like 4/10

Re-read my post about thing and thanos. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand what I was saying. I even put in quotation mark that thanos would not get any damage from a punch from thing.

I never said that colossus is a physical match for supes but what I did say is that glads, superman, and thor isn't tanking a punch from colossus due to colossus history.

I'm done with you nihilst... your mind is made up about thanos and your understanding of things are TERRIBLE.

Back on topic, wwh 8 or possibly 9/10.

Originally posted by byrdgang21
Weaker versions of Hulk have feats that surpass all of these feats listed. it's almost like he chose feats that hulk has surpassed on purpose *shrug*

mentioning the asteroid one was a big mistake

Current Hulk win, at least 7,5 / 10

Originally posted by psycho gundam
it's almost like he chose feats that hulk has surpassed on purpose *shrug*

mentioning the asteroid one was a big mistake


EXACTLY

Originally posted by Naija boy
Ive yet to see BM display any significat blitzing capacity in battle and he would need that for sure if he wanted to beat Hulk in a straight physical confrontation.

Hulk wins This. Not to say that he can't blitz, but this is (for better or worse) a feats based forum and we haven't seen Adam do a legit speed blitz yet. Also, I can't see him slugging it out with the current Hulk for long and his antimatter powers are still too vague to gauge properly.

The Hulk wins.

Originally posted by carver9
Re-read my post about thing and thanos. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand what I was saying. I even put in quotation mark that thanos would not get any damage from a punch from thing.Stop lying again, you know what you said and meant.

PR even pulled you on your stupid remark about Colossus/Superman.

IOW you cant counter anything and have no come back, run along then chump.

Nah, BM takes 6/10

Originally posted by Nihilist
Stop lying again, you know what you said and meant.

PR even pulled you on your stupid remark about Colossus/Superman.

IOW you cant counter anything and have no come back, run along then chump.

Nah, BM takes 6/10

Lol... you are hilarious.

I know what I said and I know what I meant.

Why would I say that thing can damage thanos when I said that thanos could pull a 10/10 one on one with his powers against superman, gladiator, wwh, hyperion, martian manhunter, hell, I even gave him a majority against superBOY prime. With that said, you are basically implying that I am saying thing is greater than everyone that I mentioned. Is this what you are saying?

PR didn't call nothing out. I told pr that due to colossus history, his punches should be able to affect the people on that list and one of the peeps was supes... he disagreed and we went back and forth... I gave up on the topic because it wasn't going anywhere.

I can counter everything that you said but like I told you before, its pointless... so accept your victory.

Wwh 8/10... I want to give hulk 9/10 but I like blue marvel.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... you are hilarious.Not half as funny as you and your logic

You sure, as you dont seem to know what you are talking about half the time.

You said Thing could knock Thanos on his ass with 1 punch due to Thanos "showings" against Spiderman and Gamora.

He facepalmed you and you tried to explin your zany logic.

Sure you can thats why your running away coward.... This debate was won for me before we started as you go into every thread with HULK STOMP CARVER SMASH attitude.

So you give wins on who you like more and not logic and feats

Originally posted by dmills
This. Not to say that he can't blitz, but this is (for better or worse) a feats based forum and we haven't seen Adam do a legit speed blitz yet. Also, I can't see him slugging it out with the current Hulk for long and his antimatter powers are still too vague to gauge properly.

exactly. No way BM can take current Hulk in a straight up physical slugfest.

BM can likely push antimatter particles into the + matter realm.

If so, the Hulk can't win.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
sentry fought the tip heh heh heh. That's dirty.

Originally posted by PowerIncarnate
BM can likely push antimatter particles into the + matter realm.

If so, the Hulk can't win.


I hope that you don't believe that anti matter comes from another dimension.

Originally posted by dmills
This. Not to say that he can't blitz, but this is (for better or worse) a feats based forum and we haven't seen Adam do a legit speed blitz yet. Also, I can't see him slugging it out with the current Hulk for long and his antimatter powers are still too vague to gauge properly. This seems logical. Not that I think Adam can't beat Hulk, but I think we need to see a little more of his range. Judging from what he is and the source/description of his powers, I would say he should be able to beat the Hulk.

His powers are currently, pretty vague. This works against him, but also works for him, because the little bit we know, leaves a lot to ponder. If he truly has access to the kind of power that has been hinted at, the possibilities are "top-tier". And, by that, I mean that it would place BM well out of Hulks earth-bound slug-fest capabilities, and put him with the big boys.

Not just physical power and energy blasts. It could turn out to be high-level manipulation of energy, matter, time and space.

That is, of course, IF he meets up with a decent writer that isn't content to continue pumping out Wonder Man, Superman or Hulk clones.

I think this thread should be classified as a "to be continued", or "not enough data".

Bump

Hulk.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Thanos showings of durability and striking power and WWH's not so great showings against anyone of a decent lvl say Thanos can beat Hulk in a brawl.

Blue Marvel isnt just a brawler as shown when he beat Anti Man. Blue Marvel out punched Sentry(and the Avengers at the same time), and the Sentry was being pushed to his limits(his own words). BM even temp koed Sentry, something WWH couldnt do despite 7 free shots.

Good point...Blue Marvel should seriously make a come back. I don't know what's up with Marvel.

Originally posted by Scarlet315
Good point...Blue Marvel should seriously make a come back. I don't know what's up with Marvel. WW Hulk and the Sentry are clearly on another level than Blue Marvel.

Hulk has already tanked antimatter, don't know why that is even being brought up as a way to beat Hulk.

Originally posted by Scarlet315
Good point...Blue Marvel should seriously make a come back. I don't know what's up with Marvel.

He will be on the new Mighty Avengers team this year.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He will be on the new Mighty Avengers team this year. Marvel has so many powerful heroes. Most powerful comics universe IMO.

He's going to kick some ass I'll bet.

Originally posted by dmills
He's going to kick some ass I'll bet. I agree. Just bringing in more heavy hitters.

I remember reading somewhere that during the Infinite war that the Mighty Avengers will be one of the only teams left to defend Earth while the war is going on.

Originally posted by dmills
I remember reading somewhere that during the Infinite war that the Mighty Avengers will be one of the only teams left to defend Earth while the war is going on. Sounds interesting.

Marvel if typical Hulk (not wbh or anything)

Originally posted by dmills
I remember reading somewhere that during the Infinite war that the Mighty Avengers will be one of the only teams left to defend Earth while the war is going on.
Nice.

Can't wait for Blue Marvel to tear shiet up.

Can a brother get some screen time?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Nice.

Can't wait for Blue Marvel to tear shiet up.

Can a brother get some screen time? Derp. Luke Cage?

Originally posted by ODG
Derp. Luke Cage?
Yeah, but he's overused. Cage has been everywhere the last few years. He'll be leading this team of Mighty Avengers too.

Blue Marvel needs his day in the sun. His time to shine.

BM should get some solid feats

The Mighty Avengers are going to be fighting Thanos, and him and Monica are the only heralds on the team

Edge to Hulk imho as of now

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He will be on the new Mighty Avengers team this year.

Nice! Looking forward to that.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Yeah, but he's overused. Cage has been everywhere the last few years. He'll be leading this team of Mighty Avengers too.

Blue Marvel needs his day in the sun. His time to shine.

Truth!

Blue marvel due to speed and matter control. Plus bm was way more impressive vs sentry then hulk.

^ Is that really what you took away from World War Hulk?

Originally posted by ODG
^ Is that really what you took away from World War Hulk? wwh got slapped up by juggs had to bfr him. Ghost hurt him its on panel saying could have beat him but he was innocent. Had a shitty fight vs sentry that took out a city block wow and got beat by a satellite. Wwh wasn't as impressive as any other hulk. Warhulk was more impressive. Hotm hulk was amp by a wishing well one time trick like warhulk.

facepalm

WWH was specifically shown and stated - numerous times - to be beyond his savage levels. And even then, per Pak, Green Scar was "holding back".

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
facepalm

WWH was specifically shown and stated - numerous times - to be beyond his savage levels. And even then, per Pak, Green Scar was "holding back". stated and shown is too different things. I call it hyperbole. Wwh wasn't that impressive. He didn't nothing to overshadow savage hulk.

Originally posted by mighty adam
stated and shown is too different things. I call it hyperbole. Wwh wasn't that impressive. He didn't nothing to overshadow savage hulk.

....

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
.... you know savage hulk feats. Billion ton mountain, clapped out a cosmos, etc etc. Wwh didn't do anything I cant or haven't seen feasible for Savagehulk.

Originally posted by mighty adam
you know savage hulk feats. Billion ton mountain, clapped out a cosmos, etc etc. Wwh didn't do anything I cant or haven't seen feasible for Savagehulk.

Savage Hulk's high end feats don't make him more powerful than a Hulk whose average was consistently higher than Savage's and who was shown - repeatedly - to be operating a whole other level than he ever did before. Just look at how Green Scar treated "rivals" to Savage Hulk for one. And Green Scar's high end feats are so stupid, it's ridiculous.

I honestly don't see how anyone can read any of Pak's stuff and not get to the very obvious point that he was making.

Originally posted by mighty adam
wwh got slapped up by juggs had to bfr him. Ghost hurt him its on panel saying could have beat him but he was innocent. Had a shitty fight vs sentry that took out a city block wow and got beat by a satellite. Wwh wasn't as impressive as any other hulk. Warhulk was more impressive. Hotm hulk was amp by a wishing well one time trick like warhulk. Juggernaut got halted, had his helmet dented, and basically got tooled in the end. Ghost Rider got curbstomped and Zarathos seemed to start singing him with hellfire but ultimately passed on engaging him. Sentry went all-out in a fashion never seen before on-panel and the only thing that stopped Hulk was a plot device ray specifically designed for him. Hulk was not amped by the wishing well during Heart of the Monster. Everybody else was.

These are simple facts. And you're incorrect about many of them. This explains your erroneous position and it also answers my query.

Tell ODG to stuff it Mighty Adam, you've got him right were you want hm buddy. He doesn't know anything.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Savage Hulk's high end feats don't make him more powerful than a Hulk whose average was consistently higher than Savage's and who was shown - repeatedly - to be operating a whole other level than he ever did before. Just look at how Green Scar treated "rivals" to Savage Hulk for one. And Green Scar's high end feats are so stupid, it's ridiculous.

I honestly don't see how anyone can read any of Pak's stuff and not get to the very obvious point that he was making. I do agree on wwh being on a whole other LV mentality then savage, more focused, smarter fighter. Still savage hulk has feats just as if not more impressive then wwh.

Originally posted by dmills
Tell ODG to stuff it Mighty Adam, you've got him right were you want hm buddy. He doesn't know anything.

Originally posted by ODG
Juggernaut got halted, had his helmet dented, and basically got tooled in the end. Ghost Rider got curbstomped and Zarathos seemed to start singing him with hellfire but ultimately passed on engaging him. Sentry went all-out in a fashion never seen before on-panel and the only thing that stopped Hulk was a plot device ray specifically designed for him. Hulk was not amped by the wishing well during Heart of the Monster. Everybody else was.

These are simple facts. And you're incorrect about many of them. This explains your erroneous position and it also answers my query. I doubt we was reading the same comic. Either your trolling me or your a delusional.

Originally posted by mighty adam
I doubt we was reading the same comic. Either your trolling me or your a delusional. You read comics? Originally posted by dmills
Tell ODG to stuff it Mighty Adam, you've got him right were you want hm buddy. He doesn't know anything. http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/More%20Random/Phail04.jpg

Originally posted by mighty adam
I do agree on wwh being on a whole other LV mentality then savage, more focused, smarter fighter. Still savage hulk has feats just as if not more impressive then wwh.




WWH doesn't have to repeat every ft Savage Hulk performed to prove he is stronger than his weaker incarnation. That's like saying Grey Hulk is stronger than War Hulk who was amped off of Celestial power. Grey Hulk destroyed an asteroid twice the size of Earth whereas War Hulk didn't do anything close to this. That's when we use common sense. Common sense tell us that even though Grey Hulk have a ft that piss on most High Heralds fts, including War Hulk, that still doesn't mean that he is stronger than War Hulk who was stated on panel as being one of the strongest Hulks during that era.

This doesn't include the fact that Loeb Rulk STOMPED Savage Hulk TWICE and WWH defeated Loeb Rulk with a mere thunder clap.

Originally posted by mighty adam
I doubt we was reading the same comic. Either your trolling me or your a delusional.

Lol...everything ODG said is true. Post scans proving him wrong.

Originally posted by carver9
This doesn't include the fact that Loeb Rulk STOMPED Savage Hulk TWICE and WWH defeated Loeb Rulk with a mere thunder clap.

I still can't believe that's how that fight ended. After all the trolling that Rulk did to the MU, Banner ko's him with a phucking thunderclap and a rather casual one at that. Under loeb's pen no less so it left no doubt.

Originally posted by dmills
I still can't believe that's how that fight ended. After all the trolling that Rulk did to the MU, Banner ko's him with a phucking thunderclap and a rather casual one at that. Under loeb's pen no less so it left no doubt.

I know, it was insane. I don't think Pak cared after the WWH arc. He just went on a ft war with the Hulk.

You can look threw the comic to see hulk getting trashed by juggs then bfr him. Strange saying ghost rider could beat hulk cuz his power is boundless but since hulk was the innocent one ghost left. The lack lusted fight with sentry. Yes it was stated on panel the wwh was the strongest vs of hulk. Sentry also has the power of million exploding suns lol that shit was never shown not even close. I'm not saying wwh is weaker the savage just he didn't shit on savage feats.

I wonder how well Blue Marvel would do against the current Hulk?

Hulk would stomp him and KMC would be drowned in a choir of Sentry fanboy winging.

Hulk is about to take on the entirety of the Avengers soon and hold his own. This alone should tell you what tier he is in right now.

Originally posted by janus77
Hulk would stomp him and KMC would be drowned in a choir of Sentry fanboy winging.

The Hulk can be taken down if he isn't completely in the zone. He ramps up slowly in comparison to the Green Scar version of the Hulk. Who was able to ramp up within that very same moment. I'm not too sure about Doc. Green though.

Originally posted by Stoic
The Hulk can be taken down if he isn't completely in the zone. He ramps up slowly in comparison to the Green Scar version of the Hulk. Who was able to ramp up within that very same moment. I'm not too sure about Doc. Green though.
From what we've seen of him so far, he's far more cunning and ruthless than Green Scar.

He was fighting that Swamp Thing like monster whilst at the same time attempting to cure her. All his blows were measured and with a purpose other than "smashing her".

Against IM, we saw how casually he tore apart everything IM tried.

I don't recall any instance where Doc Green's lacked for rapid amping.

If Savage Hulk is in continuity right now, then this is even more interesting as he gets smarter as he gets angrier (and again, no depictions of him having trouble getting amped) and at higher wattages he demonstrates huge TK.

Dunno, I think Savage Hulk = Thor/Gladiator etc.
And WWH/Doc Green are obviously far stronger than that.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk is about to take on the entirety of the Avengers soon and hold his own. This alone should tell you what tier he is in right now.
Savage Hulk tier?


Why do people forget that during his early days, as Savage Hulk, he used to take on the entire Avengers roster fairly frequently and hold out.

Yeah current Hulk/any Hulk since around House of M, should be far more effective than that, but still... Savage Hulk did that, frequently.

Originally posted by janus77
From what we've seen of him so far, he's far more cunning and ruthless than Green Scar.

He was fighting that Swamp Thing like monster whilst at the same time attempting to cure her. All his blows were measured and with a purpose other than "smashing her".

Against IM, we saw how casually he tore apart everything IM tried.

I don't recall any instance where Doc Green's lacked for rapid amping.

If Savage Hulk is in continuity right now, then this is even more interesting as he gets smarter as he gets angrier (and again, no depictions of him having trouble getting amped) and at higher wattages he demonstrates huge TK.

Dunno, I think Savage Hulk = Thor/Gladiator etc.
And WWH/Doc Green are obviously far stronger than that.

Pagan lost to Blue marvel, and Pagan looked to be stronger than Thor from where I stood. Sungod pulped the Hulk. He has his good moments, but he stil has bad ones too. You forget that BM isn't in the Wonder Man league.

Blue Marvel is the winner

Hulk stomps

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk stomps

Why do you think he stomps in your opinion? BM isn't exactly a weakling.

The Hulk may stomp, but there is no proof that should allow anyone to give him the win if they have yet to fight. The only thing that I can say is that the Hulk better be on the level, or this could be short lived. At his recorded strongest, the Hulk would crush him. That isn't saying much for the way that the Hulk has been portrayed currently/recently. The Hulk's weakness lies in taking him out of the fight before he is ever able to match strength limitations or exceed them. If we were to truly remove PIS, the only way that the Hulk wins against someone INITIALLY 1000's or more times stronger than he is at base, is if the much stronger character gives him time to ramp up to his level. If I was in a fight, and knew this, I would absolutely destroy the guy before he ever became a threat.

Prove it Stoic...Prove what you are saying is true. Show us a cap in Hulk's onset strength. All you are saying are myths.

I doubt BM is even 1.2x (nevermind 100..x) stronger than "base level" Hulk.

Whatever nonsense Aaron, Waid etc did, we have "excuses" given in the comics, since then, that say Hulk iterations have varied in power of late (ie under Waid and Aarons).

Currently we have Doc Green being able to instantly pour it on and in a very focussed way, as demonstrated in his fight with the Swamp Thing like creature.

And we have new "Savage" Hulk, who happens to get infinitely strong and infinitely intelligent and develop TK at his higher ranges ...

Remember Hulk has punched asteroids and braced mountain ranges without any ramping up. And these are feats of legitimately weaker instances of Hulk.

I'd need to see evidence of current Hulk having problems with his normal rapid/instantaneous amping, to consider that a "thing".

Also, going back to WWH, remember how Hulk was constantly moderating his power output? How he could have a back and forth with Colossus, The X-Men, Wolverine, Warpath etc... Without killing or KOing any of them.

Yet, when he felt like it, he could take out ZomStrange with three punches or threaten to break the continental shelf with a step.

Hulk taking his time beating up Thing or Herc or Thor is not indicative of his "base level" and amping speed as just Banner/Hulk moderating his output to not harm them severely.

The now classic example is how Hulk ended Red Hulk. A long to and fro, with Rulk looking like he was gonna emerge victorious, Rulk even applying his energy absorption powers to amp from Hulk's own gamma stores, leading to a nuclear mushroom of power output ... Only for Hulk to end him with a simple and easy ThunderClap.

Hulk has stated, in the past, that Savage Hulk was like an adolescent Hulk, not even that powerful, that as he grew older he grew more powerful (I think this is from Tempus Fugit, but might be another story that took place on Nightmare Island).

Originally posted by carver9
Prove it Stoic...Prove what you are saying is true. Show us a cap in Hulk's onset strength. All you are saying are myths.

The Hulk has a base level which has always been below Thor's strength. If not the Hulk would pummel the mess out of Thor from the onset. What you're used to is the PIS in comics. It's not always CIS that is used to suspend belief. In their fights, Thor should have always trashed the Hulk from the door. The Hulk lost his fight with Sungod, because he was not given the time to ramp up. What is there to prove? Do you want to begin denying the hulk's power set? What are you saying here Carver? The Hulk's base is not high Herald level, If it was, a high Herald like Sungod wouldn't have rolled him out like he did. The Hulk would have been at his level of strength, and he would have began surpassing him. This shows us that the Hulk's base strength is well below that of a high Herald mark.It also makes mention of this in his handbook entry, concerning how he starts out in a calm state, and how long it takes him to ramp up. This isn't WW Hulk Green Scar that we are talking about here. And Doc green has literally no feats, except for his run in with A-Bomb.

Let's pick A-Bomb apart. Ares was pushing him around.

@Janus. my response to you is here as well. The Hulk has a base level which is below the high Herald strength tier, and he has always had one except for in his Green Scar days. There he had high Herald strength at the onset of any given conflict. There's more than enough proof that this is the way that Marvel has the Hulk operating as. giving him the win, when they have not fought, or claiming anything to make BM look bad in order to give the Hulk the win, is also wrong. Like I said, nothing stops the other guy from beating the hell out of the Hulk if they knew that his base level is well below theirs. BASE LEVEL. Denying this just seems like an excuse.

^You forget that on KMC Hulk starts out at somewhere far above his base.

It has never been fully explained (some nonsense that showed up to placate the Hulk fanboys in my absence), but apparently Hulk starts out at an average of all his high showings or something, and yet still retains his ability to grow stronger.

'Base Hulk', a major factor in almost every Hulk story, doesn't exist on KMC apparently

Originally posted by Stoic
The Hulk has a base level which has always been below Thor's strength. If not the Hulk would pummel the mess out of Thor from the onset. What you're used to is the PIS in comics. It's not always CIS that is used to suspend belief. In their fights, Thor should have always trashed the Hulk from the door. The Hulk lost his fight with Sungod, because he was not given the time to ramp up. What is there to prove? Do you want to begin denying the hulk's power set? What are you saying here Carver? The Hulk's base is not high Herald level, If it was, a high Herald like Sungod wouldn't have rolled him out like he did. The Hulk would have been at his level of strength, and he would have began surpassing him. This shows us that the Hulk's base strength is well below that of a high Herald mark.It also makes mention of this in his handbook entry, concerning how he starts out in a calm state, and how long it takes him to ramp up. This isn't WW Hulk Green Scar that we are talking about here. And Doc green has literally no feats, except for his run in with A-Bomb.

Let's pick A-Bomb apart. Ares was pushing him around.

@Janus. my response to you is here as well. The Hulk has a base level which is below the high Herald strength tier, and he has always had one except for in his Green Scar days. There he had high Herald strength at the onset of any given conflict. There's more than enough proof that this is the way that Marvel has the Hulk operating as. giving him the win, when they have not fought, or claiming anything to make BM look bad in order to give the Hulk the win, is also wrong. Like I said, nothing stops the other guy from beating the hell out of the Hulk if they knew that his base level is well below theirs. BASE LEVEL. Denying this just seems like an excuse.

Roll him out? Did you see the fight? That fight wasn't an easy win...at all. Sun God was getting pounded on.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/60791/3918363-new+avengers+v3+020-014.jpg

Then Sun God blasts him with a full dose of eye blast. If you call that a beat down, then something is wrong with you. He didn't roll through Hulk. Like I've told you for the nineteenth time, Hulk was on an antidote that messed with his mentality...we don't know what levels he was at when he fought Sun God. It's funny that you keep bringing up that fight but forgetting about the other people loses that you are using against Hulk. If you do it again I'm posting scans.

Stoic, this is the thing. I don't care about your opinion. What i am asking you is, prove that Hulk starts off below high Herald strength wise. Kurse is 4 times stronger than Thor and has not destroyed him in a fight from the onset. That's what makes Thor a high Herald. Wraith is stronger than Superman and has not destroyed him in a battle from the onset. That's what makes him a high Herald. Your concept of things is what worries me.

Now I'm going to ask you again, prove, PROVE that Hulk base strength is below High Herald. This is a simple request. You clinging to Sun God isn't helping you. Blue Marvel got destroyed by Hyperion, Thor got taken out by, I'm not even going to name all of his losses for the past yr...He losses though.

Hulk slaughtered Ares and tanked a blade from Ares that went through Zeus. Please provide scans of every showing you are mentioning.

Not calling a winner, but it would be a great fight to see.

Originally posted by krisblaze
^You forget that on KMC Hulk starts out at somewhere far above his base.

It has never been fully explained (some nonsense that showed up to placate the Hulk fanboys in my absence), but apparently Hulk starts out at an average of all his high showings or something, and yet still retains his ability to grow stronger.

'Base Hulk', a major factor in almost every Hulk story, doesn't exist on KMC apparently

I agree with you. Now if we could only share the light with others.

Originally posted by carver9
Roll him out? Did you see the fight? That fight wasn't an easy win...at all. Sun God was getting pounded on.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/60791/3918363-new+avengers+v3+020-014.jpg

Then Sun God blasts him with a full dose of eye blast. If you call that a beat down, then something is wrong with you. He didn't roll through Hulk. Like I've told you for the nineteenth time, Hulk was on an antidote that messed with his mentality...we don't know what levels he was at when he fought Sun God. It's funny that you keep bringing up that fight but forgetting about the other people loses that you are using against Hulk. If you do it again I'm posting scans.

Stoic, this is the thing. I don't care about your opinion. What i am asking you is, prove that Hulk starts off below high Herald strength wise. Kurse is 4 times stronger than Thor and has not destroyed him in a fight from the onset. That's what makes Thor a high Herald. Wraith is stronger than Superman and has not destroyed him in a battle from the onset. That's what makes him a high Herald. Your concept of things is what worries me.

Now I'm going to ask you again, prove, PROVE that Hulk base strength is below High Herald. This is a simple request. You clinging to Sun God isn't helping you. Blue Marvel got destroyed by Hyperion, Thor got taken out by, I'm not even going to name all of his losses for the past yr...He losses though.

Hulk slaughtered Ares and tanked a blade from Ares that went through Zeus. Please provide scans of every showing you are mentioning.

The Hulk becomes tougher, the stronger he becomes. All of his physical stats raise with rage, but if he isn't at the level on time, he's still weaker than the level he has to be on, to actually win against someone far above his calm state. This takes time, and when dealing with forces faster than he can ramp up, it's no mystery why he doesn't lose more often. The Hulk would need some sort of time dilation devise to allow him the time that he my not have. Can you tell me what the Hulk's base level is currently at?

Carver let me ask you a question. Who do you think would win in a fight between Pagan, and classic Abomination? He used to do the exact same thing to the Hulk, when he had a mind, the difference between Living Blonsky and the zombie Blonsky is that one stopped to chat, and the other would not until he was dead. If the Avengers weren't with him, he would have died IMO.

That's another instance that he failed to become stronger than his opponent due to time restrictions placed on his power. WB Hulk would have peeled Zombie-nation with ease. This directly shows that he has levels of power. Carver i believe that the Hulk would stomp Blue marvel, if Adam allows him the time to ramp up. This is something that should get a mod ruling on. What is the Hulk's official Base strength? I'm arguing about averages, you even know what I'm talking about, but still you ask for scans.

Originally posted by Stoic
I agree with you. Now if we could only share the light with others.



The Hulk becomes tougher, the stronger he becomes. All of his physical stats raise with rage, but if he isn't at the level on time, he's still weaker than the level he has to be on, to actually win against someone far above his calm state. This takes time, and when dealing with forces faster than he can ramp up, it's no mystery why he doesn't lose more often. The Hulk would need some sort of time dilation devise to allow him the time that he my not have. Can you tell me what the Hulk's base level is currently at?

Carver let me ask you a question. Who do you think would win in a fight between Pagan, and classic Abomination? He used to do the exact same thing to the Hulk, when he had a mind, the difference between Living Blonsky and the zombie Blonsky is that one stopped to chat, and the other would not until he was dead. If the Avengers weren't with him, he would have died IMO.

That's another instance that he failed to become stronger than his opponent due to time restrictions placed on his power. WB Hulk would have peeled Zombie-nation with ease. This directly shows that he has levels of power. Carver i believe that the Hulk would stomp Blue marvel, if Adam allows him the time to ramp up. This is something that should get a mod ruling on. What is the Hulk's official Base strength? I'm arguing about averages, you even know what I'm talking about, but still you ask for scans.

Lol at you agreeing with Kris, he hates Hulk more than anyone. Back on topic...again, what are basing this off of? Provide scans. I understand that you feel like Hulk doesn't start at a certain level and I disagree based off showings. Also, lol at Hulk taking time to ramp up his strength. A smiling Hulk was able to support a mount twice the size of the Appalachian when it was thrown on him. Does that sound like it taking time to you? Please provide evidence and stop giving me your assumptions of things.

BM wins.

Eh, hard decision to make, by powersets BM should have this in the pocket, but I'm unconvinced of how strong he is by feats.

Strong enough to throw Hulk.

Ah yes then, easy and cheap BFR win for Blue Marvel. Poor Hulk never had a chance

Well...he punched Sentry into orbit when he got pissed.

He's a VERY smart guy.

EVERYBODY knows the Hulk.

He has the strength to do it, the intelligence to consider it as a tactic, and the experience in fighting to do so. Hell, he might even do it accidentally when mad.

I'm just coping with the fact Hulk will always be a chump