Build your own Avengers/Justice League

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Stall_19
Simple, Earth in a hybrid of the DC/Marvel universe needs it's protectors. How would you assemble the team? All heroes are available but with a restrictions on how you build the team.

Those restrictions are.

The team must contain no more than 8 members with 5 active and the rest reserves.

Between those 8 members you get 2 heralds, 4 metas and 2 street levels to make up the team.

You can use the former KMC tier thread as a guide or your own opinion to determine what power level a character belongs to but be honest about it.

Keep in mind that earth could face a number of dangers so try to keep the team versatile to deal with any number of situations.

carver9
Captain america (leader)
Thor (power)
Wolverine (fighter)
Ironman (versatility)
Wonder Woman (strength)
Northstar (hope)
Jean Grey (mind)

Juk3n
Cable (pre surfer fight) leader
Wonder woman (Muscle/mystic/training partner for wolvie, ga, colossus and taskmaster.

Forge (booyakasha)
Wolverine (Specialist)
Colossus (Ground Muscle)
Kitty Pride or Bishop (specialist)

GA Connor Hawke (versatility / fighting)
Taskmster (versatility / fighting)

Warlord
Thor
Martian Manhunter

Iron Man
Red Tornado
Mantis
Hope

Batman
Captain America

Stall_19
Well my team would be

Heralds
Nova Prime- Would function as the leader of the team. He's very powerful and the worldmind would be a tremendous asset to the team, providing information on many potential otherworldy threats.

Thor- Would be the powerhouse of the team. I wavered between him and Superman but choose Thor because the dimensional travel would be a great resource for the team to have.

Metas
Spider-Man- Spider-Man is very versatile, so he'd be useful on a variety of missions. He scientific background would be utilized greatly in a number of scenarios. Also his Spider-Senses would make it nearly impossible to catch the team off guard.

Invisible Woman- Very underrated. Her forcefields she can provide could save the team in many situations. And he ability to make people invisible will be a major asset anytime the team would need to use stealth.

Nico Minoru- The team needs someone familiar with Magic and she's use to working in a team.

Psylocke- The team could use a telepath on the team, also her fighting ability makes her a great asset to the team.

Street
Black Panther- A master strategist, an adept fighter and very intelligent. Along with Spider-Man he'd be the one to go to in the area of science although his strength would be physics and advanced technology. He also be one to send on stealth missions

Hawkeye- Longtime Avenger, has leadership experience is a skilled hand to hand combatant and with a number of weapons.

thanos-prime
Heralds:
KC Superman(Heavy hitter,Icon)
Silver Surfer(Versatility)

Metas:
Mr.Fantastic(Tech,Brain)
Invisible Woman(Stealth,Shields)

Street:
Captain America(leader)

Stoic
Heralds
Thane Ector (Team Leader)
Wonder Woman

Metas
Aquaman
Gamora
Forge
Starfire

Street
Black Canary
Gambit

The Nuul
Heralds

Thor
Martian Manhunter


Metas

Iron Man
Blink
Ghost Rider
Karate Kid

Street

Batman
Cap

Warlord
Originally posted by The Nuul
Heralds

Thor
Martian Manhunter


Metas

Iron Man
Blink
Ghost Rider
Havok


Street

Batman
Cap

Ghost Rider is considered meta level?

The Nuul
I'm going by KMC tier and going by that list, RT is not meta.

Blair Wind
Heralds
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)
Black Alice

Metas
Exiles Mimic (Northstar, Cyclops, Colossus, Wolverine, Phoenix Force)
Storm
Ironman
Miss Martian

Street
Mr. Terrific
Batman

Gecko4lif
Heralds
Thor
Genis-vel

Metas
Emma frost
Static shock
Elixer
aquaman

Street
Captain america
Batman

King Castle
Heralds:

Thor(Power/Versatility/Warrior)
Captain Marvel(Billy/Magic Wisdom)

Metas:

Wolverine(Back up Fighter for Thor)
Mimic(Mini Tank/Versatility)
Ironman(Tech)
Psylocke(team com)

Street:

Cap(Steve/Leader)
Batman(Co-Captain/tech support)

BobbyD
Heralds:
Silver Surfer (versatile heavyweight)
Wonder Woman (see above, plus that lasso, mmm can't do w/o it)

Metas:
Iron Man (versatile, powerful, intelligent)
Dr. Doom (strategist/tech, intelligent, plus every team needs a token prick)
Invisible Woman (highly underrated)
4th (torn between a magician or telepath)

Street:
Batman (co-leader)
Cap'n (co-leader)

D_Dude1210
Heralds
Silver Surfer (cosmic muscle)
Thor (mystic muscle)

Metas
Gamora (stealth/melee specialist/tracker)
Iron Man (tech/resources)
Emma Frost (telepath/hot chick to lower the sausage factor in the team)
Deadpool (comedy relief)

Street
Captain America (leader)
Batman (cuz he's Batman)

The Nuul
Team smash.

Heralds:

Superman
Hulk

Metas:

Maul
Namor the Sub-Mariner
Karate Kid
Hawkman

Street:

Bronze Tiger
Cap

TheTyrant
Heralds:
Genis-Vell
Majestros (can I pick him? If not, then I'd pick Martian Manhunter)

Metas:
Namor
Emma Frost
Gamora

Street:
Captain America (leader)
Batman

Badabing
Originally posted by Stall_19
Simple, Earth in a hybrid of the DC/Marvel universe needs it's protectors. How would you assemble the team? All heroes are available but with a restrictions on how you build the team.

Those restrictions are.

The team must contain no more than 8 members with 5 active and the rest reserves.

Between those 8 members you get 2 heralds, 4 metas and 2 street levels to make up the team.

You can use the former KMC tier thread as a guide or your own opinion to determine what power level a character belongs to but be honest about it.

Keep in mind that earth could face a number of dangers so try to keep the team versatile to deal with any number of situations. Superman - Thor

Iron Man - Spider-Man - Jay Garrick - Zatanna

Batman (Bruce) - Captain America (Steve Rogers)

I would have liked to fit in a few other too.

marwash22
STREET:
Batman
Cap

META:
Iron Man
Emma
Static
Hawkgirl

HERALD:
Superman
Strange

Dum Dum Dugan
does capt count as street?

753
I'll try to make a less obvious one

Shaman Nate Grey
Magneto

Blink (exiles)
Magma
Ghost
Current Juggernaut

Cypher
Taskmaster


I'll a do DC one later on.

marwash22
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
does capt count as street? Yeah. I've never seen anyone put him down as a meta.

King Castle
my turn

X-man
Adam Warlock

Ironfist
Ms. Marvel
Ironman
Thunderstrike(eric)

Cassandra Cain
Echo

marwash22
Originally posted by 753
I'll try to make a less obvious one

Shaman Nate Grey
Magneto

Blink (exiles)
Magma
Ghost
Current Juggernaut

Cypher
Taskmaster


I'll a do DC one later on. i was assuming the purpose was to assemble a team that would actually work and not just throw together a bunch of names.

John Kent
Silver Surfer-Cosmic knowlege, power, and senses.
Wonder Woman- Brute strength, fighting, magic knowlege, and that lasso.

Vision- Always good to have a computer that can interface and keep up with heralds.
Invisible Woman- Probably the best Meta ever.
Miss Martian- You need a telepath. I like this one because she isn't a physical liabilty like most Telepaths. She can hang with even some heralds.
Jay Garrick- A speedster is a must have for any good team.

Captain America- Awesome fighter and great tactician.
Midnighter- The Yang to Captain America's Yin. Complete opposite style and character. Good for drama.

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by 753
I'll try to make a less obvious one

Shaman Nate Grey
Magneto

Blink (exiles)
Magma
Ghost
Current Juggernaut

Cypher
Taskmaster


I'll a do DC one later on.

Nice

My group would be

active members

Heralds: Thor and Flash (wally)

Meta:Iron Man,Invisible Woman

Street: Captain America (Steve) is he counts


Non-Active/reserved

Meta:cloak, forge

Street:Black Panther

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Nice

My group would be

active members

Heralds: Thor (power/magic/versatility and Flash (speed/versatility) (wally)

Meta:Iron Man (tech/versatility),Invisible Woman (shields/power/versatility)

Street: Captain America (Steve) (leadership) is he counts


Non-Active/reserved

Meta:cloak (mass teleport), forge (tech/combind with tony imagintion and you have one hell of a tech monster)

Street:Black Panther (tech/leadership/smarts)

753
Originally posted by marwash22
i was assuming the purpose was to assemble a team that would actually work and not just throw together a bunch of names. my team would work just fine uhuh

Dum Dum Dugan
Heralds: Gladeator, superman


Meta:death head, Iron Man, Mr. Fantastic,Forge


Streets: Batman, Black Panther

this would be an insane prep team.

The Nuul
Originally posted by 753
I'll try to make a less obvious one

Shaman Nate Grey
Magneto

Blink (exiles)
Magma
Ghost
Current Juggernaut

Cypher
Taskmaster


I'll a do DC one later on.

Avengers or JLA doesnt have bad guys on their teams.

marwash22
Originally posted by marwash22
STREET:
Batman
Cap

META:
Iron Man
Emma
Static
Hawkgirl

HERALD:
Superman
Strange were we suppose to only have Marvel or DC characters on our team? I made an Avengers team that has DC characters on it.

753
Originally posted by The Nuul
Avengers or JLA doesnt have bad guys on their teams. At worse those people are greyhats or in some kind of atonement phase and yes, the JL and Avengers are full of characters with shady pasts.

The Nuul
Tasky or Juggs dont have a shady past. They are villians. Mags is more of an villian than a hero.

753
actually taskmaster has been a retconned as a "good guy" all along, in the eyes of shield anyway. magneto is a political extremist and is currently considered a hero by the x-men and most of the superhero community. Juggs is just a greyhat as well, he's had his hgeroice and villainous phases and his story has been retconned a dozen times to acommodate different takes on the character.

The Nuul
Retcons suck and are not true to the character, its just writers thinking what if character A is a good guy. Next writer comes a long, nope hes a bad guy.

753
that they do, but that's life

Konton
Between those 8 members you get 2 heralds, 4 metas and 2 street levels to make up the team.

Active

1. Emma Frost (Team leader, telepath, meta, communication link, experienced, financial resources)
2. Wiccan (Resident mage, meta, versatility, lightning, teleportation)
2. Hal Jordan (High end energy manipulation, herald, forcefields, experience, willpower)
3. Sersi (Matter manipulation, telepathy, teleportation, brute force, overall versatility)
5. Elektra (street-ish, martial artist, stealth, espionage, versatility)

Reserve

6. Northstar (Speed, meta)
7. Lady Shiva (martial artist, street)
8. Wonder Girl (Bracers, wishing lasso, brute force)

Stall_19
Villains are fine only if they're redeemable. For example Magneto, Taskmaster or Sandman are fine but Doom, Apocalypse or Red skull are not. The Avengers have had some former villain on their roster. Hawkeye began as a villain, though not a very serious one. Quicksilver and the Scarlett Witch were in the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. So if they're Thunderbolt material then they fair game here.

carver9
Originally posted by King Castle
Heralds:

Thor(Power/Versatility/Warrior)
Captain Marvel(Billy/Magic Wisdom)

Metas:

Wolverine(Back up Fighter for Thor)
Mimic(Mini Tank/Versatility)
Ironman(Tech)
Psylocke(team com)

Street:

Cap(Steve/Leader)
Batman(Co-Captain/tech support)

This is a badass team. I would replace captain marvel with someone else though, he is too much like thor. Besides that, this team is a beast.

carver9
For some strange reason I can't see surfer as a team player. I know he has worked on teams before but he just seem like a solo type of guy to me. I can't see a guy that can basically do anything being on a team.

marwash22
Originally posted by carver9
For some strange reason I can't see surfer as a team player. I know he has worked on teams before but he just seem like a solo type of guy to me. I can't see a guy that can basically do anything being on a team. i agree.

rotiart
My team would be batman... Cause when you are batman do you really need anyone else?

Uriel005
Herald

Thor
Stephen Strange

Meta

Reed Richards/Valeria***
Forge
Wolverine
Iron Fist

Street

Batman
Captain America

Active

Dr. Strange
Thor
Wolverine
Iron Fist
Captain America

Benched
Reed/Valeria
Forge
Batman

The way I see it this team is going to do pretty good all around as mystics, tanks, specialists, and techs are filled.

a Richards supplying Forge with an ideas list along with batman pragmatism and bankroll is definitely going to be something to worry about for anyone with just the three of them. I'm keeping batman on reserve as the batkick would just make this team utterly unstoppable.

My only concern is that this team might be over the top.

*** Valeria is dependent on being able to be used as a future version as she was already stated somewhere to be smarter than her father which is some scary stuff when you think about it.

Badabing
Originally posted by rotiart
My team would be batman... Cause when you are batman do you really need anyone else? Best post ever! Originally posted by Uriel005
Herald

Thor
Stephen Strange

Meta

Reed Richards/Valeria***
Forge
Wolverine
Iron Fist

Street

Batman
Captain America

Active

Dr. Strange
Thor
Wolverine
Iron Fist
Captain America

Benched
Reed/Valeria
Forge
Batman

The way I see it this team is going to do pretty good all around as mystics, tanks, specialists, and techs are filled.

a Richards supplying Forge with an ideas list along with batman pragmatism and bankroll is definitely going to be something to worry about for anyone with just the three of them. I'm keeping batman on reserve as the batkick would just make this team utterly unstoppable.

My only concern is that this team might be over the top.

*** Valeria is dependent on being able to be used as a future version as she was already stated somewhere to be smarter than her father which is some scary stuff when you think about it. Batman is BENCHED!? sneer

That is punishable by dismemberment in some countries. madfist

D_Dude1210
Originally posted by carver9
For some strange reason I can't see surfer as a team player. I know he has worked on teams before but he just seem like a solo type of guy to me. I can't see a guy that can basically do anything being on a team.

Thor is kinda the same thing, tho. He tends to "solo" threats more than coordinate with his other teammates. Doesn't mean that he's not useful in a team, tho.

D_Dude1210
Another Bitching team would be:

Thor
X-Man (Nate Grey)

Quicksilver
Iron Man
Wiccan
Invisible Woman

Batman
Black Panther

psycho gundam
reed

batman

hal jordan

superMan

iron man

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Heralds: Gladeator, superman


Meta:death head, Iron Man, Mr. Fantastic,Forge


Streets: Batman, Black Panther

this would be an insane prep team.

Blair Wind
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Heralds
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)
Black Alice

Metas
Exiles Mimic (Northstar, Cyclops, Colossus, Wolverine, Phoenix Force)
Storm
Ironman
Miss Martian

Street
Mr. Terrific
Batman

A second team:

Herald
Firestorm
Spartan 3.0 w/void

Meta
Cloak
Nico w/Staff of One
Blue Beetle (Jamie)
Vixen (w/human powers)

Street
Black Panther
Midnighter

marwash22
Originally posted by psycho gundam
reed

batman

hal jordan

superMan

iron man isn't that 4 heralds?

illadelph12
Herald:
Silver Surfer
Sodam Yat (Surfer will heal his poisoning).

Meta:
Madison Jefferies
Captain Britain (2nd in command/Reserve Leader)
Miss Martian
Madrox

Street:
Mr. Terrific (Leader)
Ted Kord

Active:
Surfer
Terrific
M. Jeffries
Sodam Yat
Miss Martian

Reserves:
Ted Kord
Captain Britain
Madrox

psycho gundam
Originally posted by marwash22
isn't that 4 heralds? i don't fallow rules smokin'

Stall_19
Originally posted by marwash22
isn't that 4 heralds?

Only Hal and Superman are heralds. Iron Man & Reed are metas and Batman is a street level.

Rom D Spacenut
So, long time viewer, first time poster.

Here goes:

Active

Beta Ray Bill
Talisman
Invisible Woman
Nightwing
Cyclops-Leader

Reserve

Forge
Huntress
Mary Marvel

Uriel005
yeah forge is a champ on support. im surprised hes never been on someones payroll. though he needs another techie for ideas as his imagination is a bit crappy hes also a low level mystic as his early mystic experience was never retconned to my knowledge. wonder if he left an ultimate nullifier lying around

carver9
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Thor is kinda the same thing, tho. He tends to "solo" threats more than coordinate with his other teammates. Doesn't mean that he's not useful in a team, tho.

Naah, Surfer is more of a universal hero while thor is more of a earth based hero. I can't see surfer following rules whereas I could see cap telling thor to go bash someones head in and thor flying out there doing it.

D_Dude1210
Originally posted by carver9
Naah, Surfer is more of a universal hero while thor is more of a earth based hero. I can't see surfer following rules whereas I could see cap telling thor to go bash someones head in and thor flying out there doing it.

Well, if we put the Surfer's wanderlust into the mix, yeah, I would agree that he would be harder to keep grounded in just the planet Earth than Thor is. However, perhaps if we were to EXPAND the nature of how the Avengers work, Surfer being far more mobile and able to see/intercept threats at a much quicker rate than any other hero would allow this new Avengers to expand their span of influence to galactic proportions than just the planet Earth. :P

Edit. Tho I DID take out the Surfer on my newer team (X-Man would be a wicked in a new Avengers Team, IMO).

carver9
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Well, if we put the Surfer's wanderlust into the mix, yeah, I would agree that he would be harder to keep grounded in just the planet Earth than Thor is. However, perhaps if we were to EXPAND the nature of how the Avengers work, Surfer being far more mobile and able to see/intercept threats at a much quicker rate than any other hero would allow this new Avengers to expand their span of influence to galactic proportions than just the planet Earth. :P

Edit. Tho I DID take out the Surfer on my newer team (X-Man would be a wicked in a new Avengers Team, IMO).

I just think that people like supes, or thor would be a better choice because even though surfer is powerful, on some beings it takes more than versitality to drop them, sometimes it take brute force and surfer just isn't the person that could cover that dept. That's why people like thanos handles him so easily... with all that power that he has, it meant nothing in a battle against him whereas someone like thor, even though thor isn't dropping thanos, he would pose as much of a bigger threat against the purple guy instead of surfer... especisally if thor has a team backing him up.

I would chose thor over all of them. He is just as versatile as surfer and he is just as strong, if not stronger than supes. He is the entire package in one.

Warlord
Originally posted by The Nuul
I'm going by KMC tier and going by that list, RT is not meta.

where does he rank?

Konton
I'm seeing a lot of Miss Martians under meta. Anyone care to explain?

At the very least she's low herald, being able to physically take on Kryptonians.

D_Dude1210
Originally posted by carver9
I just think that people like supes, or thor would be a better choice because even though surfer is powerful, on some beings it takes more than versitality to drop them, sometimes it take brute force and surfer just isn't the person that could cover that dept. That's why people like thanos handles him so easily... with all that power that he has, it meant nothing in a battle against him whereas someone like thor, even though thor isn't dropping thanos, he would pose as much of a bigger threat against the purple guy instead of surfer... especisally if thor has a team backing him up.

I would chose thor over all of them. He is just as versatile as surfer and he is just as strong, if not stronger than supes. He is the entire package in one.

Surfer loses to Thanos cuz Thanos' pimp hand is Thanos' Kryptonite. :P

In seriousness, the Surfer only really has this kind of problems against Thanos. It could be due to Thanos' higher level energy resistance. I don't know. But in terms of brute force, the Surfer has been shown to be just as powerful as Thor is. Especially his current incarnation.

Also, the Surfer has MANY MANY things that Thor can't do. Matter manipulation, cosmic senses, the ability to shrink/enlarge himself, healing, etc. There is just soooo many more instances where Surfer's versatility can be used to solve certain obstacles.

Besides, I selected Thor to stand beside him. Those two would be totally unstoppable.

753
Mjolnir is supposed to be able to do most of that, but Thor hasnt done it in decades.

D_Dude1210
Originally posted by 753
Mjolnir is supposed to be able to do most of that, but Thor hasnt done it in decades.

I've read Thor all my life. Don't remember him doing matter manip at the level the Surfer has. I've never seen him use any kind of high level senses and I've never seen him heal or shrink/grow before (correct me if I'm wrong pls. smile ).

753
His respect thread has decades old scans of him creating anti-matter and transmuting elements. I cant recall if he has done size alteration.

D_Dude1210
Originally posted by 753
His respect thread has decades old scans of him creating anti-matter and transmuting elements. I cant recall if he has done size alteration.

I know he's done limited levels of matter manip/transmutation. What I said was the he's never done it at the level of what the Surfer has done. stick out tongue

753
yes well, we all know SS>thor, no need to rub it in

BobbyD
Originally posted by Stall_19
Villains are fine only if they're redeemable. For example Magneto, Taskmaster or Sandman are fine but Doom, Apocalypse or Red skull are not. The Avengers have had some former villain on their roster. Hawkeye began as a villain, though not a very serious one. Quicksilver and the Scarlett Witch were in the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. So if they're Thunderbolt material then they fair game here.

Why can't I have Doom? mad

Is it because he tips the scales against most teams here. evil face

753
Originally posted by Stall_19
Villains are fine only if they're redeemable. For example Magneto, Taskmaster or Sandman are fine but Doom, Apocalypse or Red skull are not. The Avengers have had some former villain on their roster. Hawkeye began as a villain, though not a very serious one. Quicksilver and the Scarlett Witch were in the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. So if they're Thunderbolt material then they fair game here. thumb up

Juggernaut too is all hugs and grumpy looks

753
Originally posted by BobbyD
Why can't I have Doom? mad

Is it because he tips the scales against most teams here. evil face doom really is an unsalvageable dick

The Nuul
Originally posted by Warlord
where does he rank?

Low Herald.

Originally posted by Konton
I'm seeing a lot of Miss Martians under meta. Anyone care to explain?

At the very least she's low herald, being able to physically take on Kryptonians.

Some are probably using the KMC tier list like me.

marwash22
Originally posted by The Nuul
Low Herald.



Some are probably using the KMC tier list like me. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=447826&pagenumber=1

this one? where's the last update?

The Nuul
Yeah, it was shut down long ago.

carver9
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Surfer loses to Thanos cuz Thanos' pimp hand is Thanos' Kryptonite. :P

In seriousness, the Surfer only really has this kind of problems against Thanos. It could be due to Thanos' higher level energy resistance. I don't know. But in terms of brute force, the Surfer has been shown to be just as powerful as Thor is. Especially his current incarnation.

Also, the Surfer has MANY MANY things that Thor can't do. Matter manipulation, cosmic senses, the ability to shrink/enlarge himself, healing, etc. There is just soooo many more instances where Surfer's versatility can be used to solve certain obstacles.

Besides, I selected Thor to stand beside him. Those two would be totally unstoppable.

I agree with a number of things that you've said but I think both are as versatile as the other. There are things that thor is capable of doing that surfer has as of yet to show and thor energy output is more powerful than surfers. Mjlonir is just generally more powerful and this was shown when surfer and other herald was unable to protect galactus but beta ray bill was able to save him.

In regards to healing, yes, thor can heal people as well. Surfer has some "decent" showings of h2h combat but nothing impressive... if he was to fight someone like konvikt or someone similar in a fist fight, I could see him getting crushed eventually.

Honestly, I think having surfer and thor on the same team is kind of cheating and pointless if you ask me. Those two really wouldn't need partners. What is it that they wouls need as back-up? They already have everything at their disposal.

I wouldn't put them on the same team, it would basically make the others useless.

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