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1st Dr. Fate (Kent Nelson)


vs

Classic Dr. Strange

this is really a tough battle. kent nelson in pre-crisis will probably edges it out

Hmph...

This is a toughy...

When in doubt, go for the split: both have great feats, and are written as very powerful. They're basically analogs of each other, more or less, contextually.

I can also see arguements for 6/10 either way as being valid.

Classic Strange would bag it. It's close though.

Both are equally great at using magic. Fate has taken on the same trans level beings like Strange. And draw upon a crap load of power. The only difference is that Fate can amp his stats to pre-crisis Superman levels. Durability and strength.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Both are equally great at using magic. Fate has taken on the same trans level beings like Strange. And draw upon a crap load of power. The only difference is that Fate can amp his stats to pre-crisis Superman levels. Durability and strength.

Oh, good point.

I was thinking purely in terms of relative magic to relative magic, conceptually. But Kent does edge in the physical department, with little difficulty, despite Strange's moderate martial arts skills/training.

That would make a good arguement for edging in favor of Fate: 6/10.

Anyone want to provide the 6/10 counter-arguement for Strange...?

all in all with such magic users physical stats will not play a part IMO.
most likely will be an astral fight

Complete and utter stalemate; physical abilities wont matter here one bit...

Either they battle to a standstill with both being too tired to continue the fight and they both leave...

OR

They kill each other...

I lean toward Fate.

Stalemate.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Both are equally great at using magic. Fate has taken on the same trans level beings like Strange. And draw upon a crap load of power. The only difference is that Fate can amp his stats to pre-crisis Superman levels. Durability and strength.

I figured Classic Fate, walked in Pre-Crisis Superman stats (no amp needed).

Fate. Though it's close.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Fate. Though it's close.

IDK If strange starts pulling out his old obscure darker magics I'd say it swings in his favor. Strange has always had a higher nuke capacity than Fate IMO but he doesn't use it. CIS is what stops Strange from winning this. IF he goes all out and uses his full capacity as Sorceror Supreme he takes it and I mean turning reality into playdo level magics.

If we go all out, Fate draws the power from God and casts spells that destroy universes. Hell, he took on Spectre half helm.

Classic Doctor Strange, easily.

Originally posted by "Id" I figured Classic Fate, walked in Pre-Crisis Superman stats (no amp needed).

actually his body is made of energy. most of the time physical attacks dont work.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
actually his body is made of energy. most of the time physical attacks dont work.

Are you sure we are talking about Fate, and not Nabu?

I thought I read, that Nabu is pure energy. While Kents body is virtually indestructible, and superhuman while it serves Nabu as its host.

I could be entirely wrong, I am just getting into reading Dr. Fate.

Originally posted by Lord_Dagoth
Classic Doctor Strange, easily.

Uhhh... no, sweetie...

You're displaying considerable ignorance in that assessment.

They are both relatively equal.

The real question, as indicated by the majority of above answers, really boils down to giving an arguement for how the general split between them can be swayed to 6/10 in one or the other's favor, which a couple posters have already provided.

Do some proper research, then come back and give a more sensible arguement for why Strange would get the 6/10 (though certainly *not* a slam, under any conventional circumstances).

If Strange starts channeling Dr. Fate energy against himself like he did with Shuma its over. But I think CIS prevents that as last time Shuma nearly possesed him because of it. But yeah CIS off that would take care of Fate and most people pretty quick when you combine that with the other abilities and forces he has available to him. But with CIS on I stick by my statement Dr. Fate wins by a slight margin.

Originally posted by "Id"
Are you sure we are talking about Fate, and not Nabu?

I thought I read, that Nabu is pure energy. While Kents body is virtually indestructible, and superhuman while it serves Nabu as its host.

I could be entirely wrong, I am just getting into reading Dr. Fate.

I'm not very knowledgeable on Nabu, but I could have sworn I saw a scan posted by Evolution.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I'm not very knowledgeable on Nabu, but I could have sworn I saw a scan posted by Evolution.
I am sure Nabu is an entity of pure energy.

Fate, is endowed with Nabu's protection granting him Flying Brick physicality at Superman's level, and immortality. And IRRC he can turn himself into energy.

But yeah Classic Fate is naturally strong. Its part of Nabu's enchantment.

Originally posted by Uriel005
If Strange starts channeling Dr. Fate energy against himself like he did with Shuma its over. But I think CIS prevents that as last time Shuma nearly possesed him because of it. But yeah CIS off that would take care of Fate and most people pretty quick when you combine that with the other abilities and forces he has available to him. But with CIS on I stick by my statement Dr. Fate wins by a slight margin.

Versus matches are CIS free, or at least knotted down. Meaning they fight with the intentional to win. If CIS is what prevents Strange from using his most exotic or dangerous spells in his comics, they would not factor in here.

Originally posted by "Id"
I am sure Nabu is an entity of pure energy.

Fate, is endowed with Nabu's protection granting him Flying Brick physicality at Superman's level, and immortality. And IRRC he can turn himself into energy.

But yeah Classic Fate is naturally strong. Its part of Nabu's enchantment.



Versus matches are CIS free, or at least knotted down. Meaning they fight with the intentional to win. If CIS is what prevents Strange from using his most exotic or dangerous spells in his comics, they would not factor in here.

Just to interject: it is a presumption that Strange would be able to use Fate's power against him in that manner. Both are relatively equal in feats/expressed power, and both have more subtle edges in their favor (Fate likely has more applicable esoteric knowledge, and thus "harder" application of mystical force, while Strange has more finesse/adaptability of magic; while those subtleties can make or break any particular moment of a battle, in the longview they more or less balance out).

Originally posted by "Id"
I am sure Nabu is an entity of pure energy.

Fate, is endowed with Nabu's protection granting him Flying Brick physicality at Superman's level, and immortality. And IRRC he can turn himself into energy.

But yeah Classic Fate is naturally strong. Its part of Nabu's enchantment.



Versus matches are CIS free, or at least knotted down. Meaning they fight with the intentional to win. If CIS is what prevents Strange from using his most exotic or dangerous spells in his comics, they would not factor in here.

Found it. I knew I read it somewhere, although the scan doesn't work. It states in his respect thread.




Also, don't forget that the Helm of Fate is pretty damn powerful. One of the most powerful artifacts in the universe according to Helm of Fate mini series.

Originally posted by tideoftime
Uhhh... no, sweetie...

You're displaying considerable ignorance in that assessment.

They are both relatively equal.

The real question, as indicated by the majority of above answers, really boils down to giving an arguement for how the general split between them can be swayed to 6/10 in one or the other's favor, which a couple posters have already provided.

Do some proper research, then come back and give a more sensible arguement for why Strange would get the 6/10 (though certainly *not* a slam, under any conventional circumstances).

I never post in threads before doing research.

Doctor Strange has beaten In-Betweener and even Death itself. He had ressurected Galactus and could fight Adam Warlock with the Infinity Gauntlet. Even Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet had to worry about Stepen's power. Stephen also fought the Living Tribunal several times. And he also has beaten Shuma-Gorath 2 times.

Doctor Fate simply doesn't stand a chance against the Sorcerer Supreme.

Dr. Strange has some incredible highs, it's true, but he's also got some of the lowest lows around. Getting beaten by Spiderman, or knifed by a random dude, getting beaten by Thor, etc.

And some of the feats that have been mentioned thus far -- Fighting Adam Warlock with the Infinity Gauntlet, for instance -- are accomplished with prep, and by bringing in every mystical artifact he has, rather than just the 'standard' artifacts he generally carries. If you're going to go in THAT direction, you may as well point to Dr. Fate destroying an entire UNIVERSE in Cosmic Odyssey. Some of them are grossly mis-represented, like 'fighting' the Living Tribunal (yes, he attacked him -- so could Paste Pot Pete).

In general, it seems pretty clear, especially from the JLA/Avengers crossover, that Dr. Fate is going to have more raw power immediately available to him. He himself is an incarnate Lord of Order (Or balance, depending on the version we're talking about), where as Dr. Strange generally has to draw upon the powers of others to effect his spells -- thusly is more reliant on time, on words, on gestures. Dr. Fate also has the added advantage of being physically superior -- invulnerable and super strong -- which in a battle like this may SEEM like a small thing, until you realize the importance of striking first, of being able to take more punishment even as you dish it out.

That said, I don't think anyone can doubt that classic Dr. Strange has some of the highest feats in comics, and his highest highs are higher than those of Dr. Fate, IMHO.

It's probably a wash -- both I see as above top tier and the respective pinnacles of their universe's magic.

Originally posted by Lord_Dagoth
Doctor Strange has beaten In-Betweener
No, he was getting his ass kicked. Chaos and Order did it for him.

Originally posted by Lord_Dagoth
and even Death itself.
He had Eternity's help there, and being Sorcerer Supreme gives one innate protection against Death.

Originally posted by Lord_Dagoth
He had ressurected Galactus
What?

Originally posted by Lord_Dagoth
and could fight Adam Warlock with the Infinity Gauntlet.
No, he didn't. Warlock just toyed with him.

Originally posted by Lord_Dagoth
Even Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet had to worry about Stepen's power.
No, not really.

Originally posted by Lord_Dagoth
Stephen also fought the Living Tribunal several times.
False.

Originally posted by Lord_Dagoth
And he also has beaten Shuma-Gorath 2 times.
And neither of the times did he beat him through his own power.




I have no idea what Classic Fate's feats and capabilities are. Can anyone clue me in?

There is a respect thread out there, though it's fairly incomplete...

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t445327.html

Some things not included on it would be the casual killing of one of the Demons Three, Fate's battle with the Spectre, the omnipotence ability demonstrated in the Detective Chimp one shot, totally deconstructing and reconstructing a city, defeating and trapping a Lord of Order in a dead body, granting every wish of Black Alice and resisting her will/power, defeating a powered up Mordru (once in a battle that crossed dimensions and time, another time with the element of surprise, etc), defeating a God more powerful than Nabu, etc

Originally posted by Desaad
There is a respect thread out there, though it's fairly incomplete...

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t445327.html

Some things not included on it would be the casual killing of one of the Demons Three, Fate's battle with the Spectre, the omnipotence ability demonstrated in the Detective Chimp one shot, totally deconstructing and reconstructing a city, defeating and trapping a Lord of Order in a dead body, granting every wish of Black Alice and resisting her will/power, defeating a powered up Mordru (once in a battle that crossed dimensions and time, another time with the element of surprise, etc), defeating a God more powerful than Nabu, etc

I feel like redoing Fate's respect thread, in its entirety.

Fate

Yeah, most of the scans there don't work.

It's less about the scans not working and more about a huge gap in them. There is a lot of stuff that the later Fates did that was crazy impressive.

Originally posted by "Id"
I am sure Nabu is an entity of pure energy.

Fate, is endowed with Nabu's protection granting him Flying Brick physicality at Superman's level, and immortality. And IRRC he can turn himself into energy.

But yeah Classic Fate is naturally strong. Its part of Nabu's enchantment.



Versus matches are CIS free, or at least knotted down. Meaning they fight with the intentional to win. If CIS is what prevents Strange from using his most exotic or dangerous spells in his comics, they would not factor in here.
Strange via feedback channeling same as the Shuma fight. Starts Channeling Dr. Fates own strength added to his own against him.

Originally posted by Desaad It's less about the scans not working and more about a huge gap in them. There is a lot of stuff that the later Fates did that was crazy impressive.

like what? im not an expert on the other fates.

Originally posted by Lord_Dagoth
I never post in threads before doing research.

Doctor Strange has beaten In-Betweener and even Death itself. He had ressurected Galactus and could fight Adam Warlock with the Infinity Gauntlet. Even Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet had to worry about Stepen's power. Stephen also fought the Living Tribunal several times. And he also has beaten Shuma-Gorath 2 times.

Doctor Fate simply doesn't stand a chance against the Sorcerer Supreme.

I was about to post concerning your... "imaginative" response... but then noted that King Kandy already beat me to it, and answered correctly... soooooo...

Merry Christmas...

Hope that Santa left you some *proper* research in your stocking...

Originally posted by Prep-Man
like what? im not an expert on the other fates.

Like the stuff I mentioned above.

I am familiar with Classic Strange, and although he did not perform any of the feats as ascribed to him so far in this thread, he was insanely powerful; easily the most powerful superhero in marvel during his peak. And more importantly, he was versatile, and usually had a way to make smaller feats add up into larger ones when he wasn't up to a task.

Casual time stopping, able to drain the energy from mystical beings more powerful than himself, a variety of nigh-inescapable BFR options, absolute telepathy (I can't recall a single instance of him losing a telepathic battle that he was prepared for), and other nifty powers. I'm hesitant to give the win to anyone in a fight against him, but while a lot of the abilities I mention have been pretty well publicized, some kind of scans for Fate's favor should be posted, I think. Not just beating powerful beings (thought seeing that would be great, because the scans of those fights are no longer working), but specific powers and abilities that give him an edge on Strange.

Strange is powerful and no doubt would give fate some problems, but I recall fate nearly being equal to Nabu at his peak. While strange has the power to give a good fight, fate is just too powerful. Good fight though regardless.

Peak Strange with CIS off can't lose. Nothing short of abstracts or direct magic counters stops him. His ability to channel his opponents energy against them like he did in his earlier days before he found out about being corrupted by doing so made him unbeatable for all intents and purposes in a straight up fight. Since someone said CIS off he channels Fates energy against him for a guaranteed win. That said I'm not 100% sure Fate would win anyways. In a physical fight sure but Dr. Strange is one of THE magical authorities in Marvel as generally being above certain gods in terms of raw power with the ability to call for more if needed. Dr. Fate certainly puts up a good fight but he isn't taking this one.

Same can be said with Fate, actually.

Non CIS fate is pretty much abstract if im not mistaken, nearly unbeatable.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Same can be said with Fate, actually.
Sure, the same can be said, but given the lack of evidence it lacks credibility.

I'm extremely limited at the moment, stuck as I am with my family rather than my normal place of residence, but I've got a few things loaded up on photobucket that I'll post. It's all supplementary to what was posted in that thread though, but I've read all THOSE appearances and can vouch for the legitimacy of their descriptions.

As soon as I remember my photobucket info, I'll post what I have.

Much obliged.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=RacerX-HOFZ01-p13.jpg

The helmet of fate is, "A weapon which, once mastered, could endanger ALL OF CREATION"

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=RacerX-HOFZ01-p14.jpg

Novice user of the helm channels energy from outside the universe to create a barrier impenetrable by...well, anything.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=RacerX-HOM-DC01-p10.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=RacerX-HOM-DC01-p11.jpg

Durability of the helm

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=RacerX-HOM-DC01-p14.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=RacerX-HOM-DC01-p15.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=RacerX-HOM-DC01-p16.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=RacerX-HOM-DC01-p17.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=RacerX-HOM-DC01-p20-1.jpg


What happens when Detective Chimp puts it on. Omniscience.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=JSA-051-06.jpg

Kent Casually banishes away the JSA, including Captain Marvel, Thunderbolt, Jade, etc. Then begins a battle against Mordru, who has been trashing the JSA for a while.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Page03.jpg

Senses a great and building evil from miles away.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=RacerX-HOFBA01-p15.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=RacerX-HOFBA01-p12-13.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=RacerX-HOFBA01-p14.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=RacerX-HOFBA01-p17.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=RacerX-HOFBA01-p18.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=RacerX-HOFBA01-p19.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=RacerX-HOFBA01-p20.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=RacerX-HOFBA01-p21.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=RacerX-HOFBA01-p22.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=RacerX-HOFBA01-p23.jpg

The scans I put up are a little opaque for this one, but basically the helm just starts granting all the wishes of Black Alice in horrible ways, Monkey Paw style, forcing her to release it from her control, and then undoes everything it did (ie, reality altering)

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1992_041_18.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1992_041_19.jpg

Dr. Fate changes the type of magic her power comes from and takes on the Lords of Order.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=DrFate16_20.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=DrFate16_21.jpg

Takes on and frees a Guardian Angel.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=DrFate_09_15.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=DrFate_09_16.jpg

Breaks through an 'impenetrable mystical barrier'.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=JLAJSAVV-24.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=JLAJSAVV-25.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=JLAJSAVV-38.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=JLAJSAVV-39.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=JLAJSAVV-40.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=JLAJSAVV-55.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=JLAJSAVV-56.jpg



Casually owns the JSA/JLA



http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=JSA-050-45.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=JSA-050-46.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=JSA-051-01.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=JSA-051-02-03.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=JSA-051-04.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=JSA-051-05.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=RacerX-HOFZ01-p13.jpg#!oZZ35QQcurrentZZhttp%3A%2F%2Fsmg.photobucket. com%2Falbums%2Fv58%2FDesaad%2FFate%2F%3Faction%3Dv
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http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=JSA-051-08.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=JSA-051-09.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=JSA-051-11.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=JSA-051-12.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=JSA-051-13.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=JSA-051-14.jpg

Owns Mordru.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=JSA-052-07.jpg

Speeds up the life cycle of the vegetation.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=JSA09p08.jpg

Breaks free of Obsidian's corruption.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=JSA14p06.jpg

Universe inside the amulet of fate.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=JSA19p12.jpg

Suggestion

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=JSA19p13.jpg

Sensing magics, dispelling illusions, tracking, etc.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=JSA23p18.jpg

Instant transport to every corner of every dimension.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Mordru1.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Mordru2.jpg

First defeat of Mordru by Fate.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_030_23-1.jpg

Brings people back to life.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_031_19-1.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_031_20-1.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_031_21-1.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_031_23-1.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_032_06-1.jpg

So there is a business man that Dr. Fate dislikes. She erases every building that is his from the city, uses the raw materials to construct stuff that others might want, then erases the dude from existence (he actually still exists, but no record or memory of himm does).

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_032_05-1.jpg

Goes "Big Brother" on the city and micromanages every problem, creating little globes to take care and monitor everything.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_032_14-1.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_032_17-1.jpg

Teleports from the Earth to the moon. Also demonstrates how many globes there are, what kind of range they have, etc.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_032_21-1.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_032_22-1.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_033_23-1.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_033_24-1.jpg

Takes on a bunch of gods.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_035_02-1.jpg

Just to hammer the point home that this dude never existed.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_035_03.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_035_04.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_035_06.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_035_10.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_035_12.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_035_14.jpg

So he is the crazy thing she's done to the city. Turned it into a utopia, but also essentially brainwashed everyone into forgetting what it was like without her, or removing their depressions, drug addictions, aggressions, etc.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1992_037_22.jpg

Gives everyone across the world a moment of peace, or whatever. Pretty typical for these cosmic top tiers, just saying.



More in the next post.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't those Hector feats? This is Kent Nelson Fate.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1992_037_23.jpg

Takes down a Lord of Chaos

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1992_038_06.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1992_038_07.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1992_038_21.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1992_038_22.jpg

Deals with some incursion from the afterlife, seals the portal between worlds.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1992_039_11.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1992_039_12.jpg

Turns anyone who has done anything bad into newts.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1992_040_12.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1992_040_13.jpg

"I'm Dr. Fate! If I believe it, that's how it works!'

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1992_041_11.jpg

Traps a lord of chaos.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=BlackAdam.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=BlackAdam2.jpg

Channels the magical lightning from across time to transform the rampaging Black Adam (stll newb Dr. Fate)

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_025_08.jpg

"We're not casting spells. Dr. Fate is like an earthbound lord of order. I visualize what I want to happen...and it happens."

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_025_18.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_025_20.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_025_21.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_025_22.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_025_23.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_025_24.jpg

Defeats a full Lord of Order who can 'burn the world to a cinder'.


http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_026_10.jpg

Probes galaxy wide through different dimensions.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_026_20.jpg

Phases a dude through his armor, shows invulnerability to 'science' attacks. Only included it for the invulnerability, really, and also because a lot of mystics (including Strange) have showings that say they can only do this or that in regards to science-based weapons and attacks.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_026_22.jpg

Healin'

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_026_23.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_026_24.jpg

Same deal as above with the affecting tech. Then some minor mind tampering.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_027_18.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_027_19.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_027_23.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_028_14.jpg

"Burns" the meanness and drug addiction out of people, all the negative traits.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_028_21.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_028_22.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_028_22.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_028_24.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_028_25.jpg

Defeats a god, frees all the souls trapped by the god.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_029_05.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_029_12.jpg

More tech fixing and micomanaging. Sorry this isn't better organized, like I said Im just going through my photobucket account.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_030_05.jpg

More of the playing god stuff from earlier -- she doesn't even need to be there, her little energy balls do all the work.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_030_18.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_030_19.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_030_21.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_030_22.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Doctor_Fate_1991_030_23.jpg

Hmm, I feel like this is a repeat from what I posted before. Oh well, full scene.


More to come, I think?

Originally posted by King Kandy
Correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't those Hector feats? This is Kent Nelson Fate.

I said from the start that this was just Dr. Fate in general, all versions. No organization. Hec died early on -- the scans from the already made thread, or the descriptions that remain, cover most of his entire history.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=DrFate_1_01.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=DrFate_1_02-03.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=DrFate_1_06.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=DrFate_1_11.jpg

Battling demons in th emiddle of a crowded downtown without anyone noticing.


http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=DrFate_1_17.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=DrFate_1_18.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=DrFate_1_19.jpg

The batman of the mystic world, keeps tabs on everyone.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=df016.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=df017.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=df018.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=df019.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=df020.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=df021.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Fate4-13.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Fate4-22.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Fate4-23.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Fate5-10.jpg



Hec fights a babylonian god, loses, then reaches the level Kent was and becomes physically invulnerable.


http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Fate5-11.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Fate5-12.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Fate5-13.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Fate5-14.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Fate5-15.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Fate5-16.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Fate5-17.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=Fate5-18.jpg

Destroys a god that Nabu and all the combined forces of the earth could only imprison.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=df2-004_teth.jpg

Origin of this dude.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=df2-012_teth.jpg

Tower is badass!

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=df2-016_teth.jpg

Demons.


http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=TheBookofFate002-01.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=TheBookofFate002-02.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=TheBookofFate002-03.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=TheBookofFate002-18.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=TheBookofFate002-19.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=TheBookofFate002-22.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=TheBookofFate003-05.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Fate/?action=view&current=TheBookofFate003-13.jpg

Here is what happens when a lord of chaos and a lord of order go to war on earth. Your basic magical craziness. Kent is a Lord of Order, naturally, incarnate.


There is tons of stuff from various fates I didn't include here, this is just what I happened to have access to.

http://namtab.com/phantomstranger/swampthing50pg20.gif

There's one from Kent, specifically. Kills one of the Demons Three, immensely powerful magical beings. Does it casually, with one shot.

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/7231/justiceleagueofamericavu.jpg
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3883/justiceleagueofamericav.jpg


http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6536/spectreiii54p10.jpg
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/7743/spectreiii54p11.jpg
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/2751/spectreiii54p12.jpg
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8389/spectreiii54p13.jpg

Two random things.

Aweomse stuff, Dessad. Fate is definitely in Strange's league.

I generally feel that he is, yes, but it does depend on the version.

If you take Kent as the most powerful version, and then extrapolate the feats of all the rest of them to Kent, then it's without a doubt. But Kent had signfiicantly less showings than did/does Strange, so based on his showings alone, it'd be hard to match all the stuff Strange has done. His performances against the Spectre, the Demons Three, etc. do indicate that his highest match those of Strange, and I don't believe he has as many cripplingly low showings as did/does strange.

Originally posted by Desaad
I generally feel that he is, yes, but it does depend on the version.

If you take Kent as the most powerful version, and then extrapolate the feats of all the rest of them to Kent, then it's without a doubt. But Kent had signfiicantly less showings than did/does Strange, so based on his showings alone, it'd be hard to match all the stuff Strange has done. His performances against the Spectre, the Demons Three, etc. do indicate that his highest match those of Strange, and I don't believe he has as many cripplingly low showings as did/does strange. Kinda goes along with him having less showings, as you mentioned.

Btw, who do you think wins?

Originally posted by Desaad
and I don't believe he has as many cripplingly low showings as did/does strange.
Classic Strange didn't really have many low showings... his worst I think was Dracula killing him, but that only happened because he was fighting stupidly (stated in comic).

Originally posted by King Kandy
Classic Strange didn't really have many low showings... his worst I think was Dracula killing him, but that only happened because he was fighting stupidly (stated in comic).

Eh, I beg to differ there. Most of them have to do with his own easily exploitable weaknesses - human frailty, the fact that he needs to incant and gesticulate -- but there were quite a few. For instance, I own virtually no Strange comics, and I can find a number of such...

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Strange/?action=view&current=DrStrangeGhostRiderSpecial01-09.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Strange/?action=view&current=DrStrangeMaster7616.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Strange/?action=view&current=DrStrangeMaster7617.jpg


http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Strange/?action=view&current=DrStrangeSorcerersupre26-17.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Strange/?action=view&current=ghostriderv2012PhaRO05.jpg



Then what I woudl consider to be fairly low showings...


http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Strange/?action=view&current=AmazingSpidermanAnnual02-05.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Strange/?action=view&current=AmazingSpidermanAnnual02-06.jpg

and...

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Strange/?action=view&current=Spider-ManFamily5008.jpg



and...

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Strange/?action=view&current=GhostRiderv403-02.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Strange/?action=view&current=GhostRiderv403-03.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Strange/?action=view&current=GhostRiderv403-04.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Strange/?action=view&current=GhostRiderv403-05.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Strange/?action=view&current=GhostRiderv403-06.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Strange/?action=view&current=GhostRiderv403-07.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Strange/?action=view&current=GhostRiderv403-08.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Strange/?action=view&current=GhostRiderv403-09.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Strange/?action=view&current=GhostRiderv403-18.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Strange/?action=view&current=GhostRiderv403-20.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Strange/?action=view&current=GhostRiderv403-22.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Strange/?action=view&current=GhostRiderv403-23.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Strange/?action=view&current=GhostRiderv403-24.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Strange/?action=view&current=GhostRiderv403-25.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Strange/?action=view&current=GhostRiderv403-31.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Strange/?action=view&current=VsGhostRiderLast.jpg


And then one of his big foes, Silver Dagger, gets destroyed by Werewolf by Night...

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Strange/?action=view&current=MCP-059-13.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Strange/?action=view&current=MCP-059-14.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Strange/?action=view&current=MCP-059-15.jpg

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Strange/?action=view&current=MCP-059-16.jpg


or by Spiderman and Ms. Marvel...

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Strange/?action=view&current=MarvelTeam-Up077-10.jpg


Of course there is always plot device stuff like this, but after all the scans I posted of Dr. Fate healing people, or bringing them back from the dead, the fact that Dr. Strange couldn't heal his friend from cancer, or Aunt May for a gunshot wound...

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Strange/?action=view&current=img009.jpg



Well, thats without even going through the Defenders, which is where his lowest stuff is.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/4748/defenders015089pn.jpg

Originally posted by Mindset
Kinda goes along with him having less showings, as you mentioned.


Right, and going even further it's particularly impressive when one considers that Kent never even had his own series. He never even had his own MINI series, really, just a few backups in some Flash comics and a little story in a First Issue Special. Everything else has been while he's been a part of teams.

To put it that way, it'd be like limiting Dr. Strange to just his appearances with the Defenders (and not even ALL of his appearances with the Defenders, since he was in many more of those comics than was Fate in JSA or All Star Squadron).

I'm not saying one should -- feats are feats are feats -- but it's something to consider, at least.



I think it's probably an even split, slight edge to Fate on paper. It strikes me that Fate has a number of serious advantages over Strange -- more raw power at his command, the lack of need to gesticulate or incant, and the baseline superhuman stats. But for all of that, Dr. Strange is the Macguyver of the mystic world in a lot of ways, and his high level feats speak for themselves -- calling upon the right deities, Dr. Fate could be toast. And for all the things I said about Dr. Fate, the same is true of say Loki -- who has said he's more powerful than Strange directly -- and I still probably wouldn't give Loki odds over Strange. Strange has just overcome too many high level mystical foes to ever count him out.

So yeah, maybe Fate 6/10, but anyone saying Strange 6/10 would have PLENTY of justification to say so.

Originally posted by Desaad
Right, and going even further it's particularly impressive when one considers that Kent never even had his own series. He never even had his own MINI series, really, just a few backups in some Flash comics and a little story in a First Issue Special. Everything else has been while he's been a part of teams.

To put it that way, it'd be like limiting Dr. Strange to just his appearances with the Defenders (and not even ALL of his appearances with the Defenders, since he was in many more of those comics than was Fate in JSA or All Star Squadron).

I'm not saying one should -- feats are feats are feats -- but it's something to consider, at least.



I think it's probably an even split, slight edge to Fate on paper. It strikes me that Fate has a number of serious advantages over Strange -- more raw power at his command, the lack of need to gesticulate or incant, and the baseline superhuman stats. But for all of that, Dr. Strange is the Macguyver of the mystic world in a lot of ways, and his high level feats speak for themselves -- calling upon the right deities, Dr. Fate could be toast. And for all the things I said about Dr. Fate, the same is true of say Loki -- who has said he's more powerful than Strange directly -- and I still probably wouldn't give Loki odds over Strange. Strange has just overcome too many high level mystical foes to ever count him out.

So yeah, maybe Fate 6/10, but anyone saying Strange 6/10 would have PLENTY of justification to say so.
The one ability that kinda puts him over the top is the forced channeling of his opponents on Stranges part. Fate can't beat Fate+Strange power. It's why Dr. Strange is something of an oddball character with his powers because of the corruption factor limiting his more powerful stuff that would Deus Ex just about anybody. But for a mystical being like Nabu and the Helm he could definitely channel fates own energy against him if CIS off. But negating that one ability I still edge out to Strange as CIS off he has shown more at his disposal than Fate due to simple story size. Strange has too much to pull from and can out Macguyver Fate IMO. 6/10 Strange w/out channeling 9/10 if he Channels Fate/other super high level deities.

Originally posted by batdude123

Now THAT, is one low showing.

Originally posted by Desaad Right, and going even further it's particularly impressive when one considers that Kent never even had his own series. He never even had his own MINI series, really, just a few backups in some Flash comics and a little story in a First Issue Special. Everything else has been while he's been a part of teams. To put it that way, it'd be like limiting Dr. Strange to just his appearances with the Defenders (and not even ALL of his appearances with the Defenders, since he was in many more of those comics than was Fate in JSA or All Star Squadron). I'm not saying one should -- feats are feats are feats -- but it's something to consider, at least. I think it's probably an even split, slight edge to Fate on paper. It strikes me that Fate has a number of serious advantages over Strange -- more raw power at his command, the lack of need to gesticulate or incant, and the baseline superhuman stats. But for all of that, Dr. Strange is the Macguyver of

yeah, i pretty much agree with you there. about an even split.

Originally posted by Uriel005
The one ability that kinda puts him over the top is the forced channeling of his opponents on Stranges part. Fate can't beat Fate+Strange power. It's why Dr. Strange is something of an oddball character with his powers because of the corruption factor limiting his more powerful stuff that would Deus Ex just about anybody. But for a mystical being like Nabu and the Helm he could definitely channel fates own energy against him if CIS off. But negating that one ability I still edge out to Strange as CIS off he has shown more at his disposal than Fate due to simple story size. Strange has too much to pull from and can out Macguyver Fate IMO. 6/10 Strange w/out channeling 9/10 if he Channels Fate/other super high level deities.


To pull of the energy leach, Strange would have to breach every protective counter spell. Beating Kent outright will be task, Fate is able to call up every deity at once.

And yes this is Kent version of Fate I am talking about. Dr. Strange has his work cut out.

Originally posted by Uriel005
The one ability that kinda puts him over the top is the forced channeling of his opponents on Stranges part. Fate can't beat Fate+Strange power. It's why Dr. Strange is something of an oddball character with his powers because of the corruption factor limiting his more powerful stuff that would Deus Ex just about anybody. But for a mystical being like Nabu and the Helm he could definitely channel fates own energy against him if CIS off. But negating that one ability I still edge out to Strange as CIS off he has shown more at his disposal than Fate due to simple story size. Strange has too much to pull from and can out Macguyver Fate IMO. 6/10 Strange w/out channeling 9/10 if he Channels Fate/other super high level deities.

I'm not convincned he could, no. He's drained some guys, but I've posted scans of Fate doing the exact same to gods.

When the Vishanti decided to cut Strange off --- strange was cut off. He had to develop an entirely new system of magic, in fact, because he had no access to mystical powers otherwise.

hmm... then i'd have to say its how quick this fight ends. The longer it goes on the better Stranges chances of winning become as his bag of tricks is significantly larger and will eventually figure out Kent. One of the biggest problems I see for Kent is if Strange Bands of Cytorrak him. which would remove his biggest advantage for the early fight which is his physical stats.

When Fate taps into the Helm, his power is pretty much unlimited. He has a crap load of tricks, just like Strange.

But Strange has shown more over the years and some have been down right shennanigans. Fates tend to be more logical for someone like him to have while people will look at Strange and go WTF you could have done that from the very start and wiped the floor with a given opponent.

Originally posted by Uriel005
But Strange has shown more over the years and some have been down right shennanigans. Fates tend to be more logical for someone like him to have while people will look at Strange and go WTF you could have done that from the very start and wiped the floor with a given opponent.

You think tapping into the power of God himself logical??

Bump.

Who are the respective experts of Strange, and Fate here on KMC?

Originally posted by Uriel005
But Strange has shown more over the years and some have been down right shennanigans. Fates tend to be more logical for someone like him to have while people will look at Strange and go WTF you could have done that from the very start and wiped the floor with a given opponent.

Nah, they both do that.

Check out Fate's battle against the Gray Man, where that is almost exactly what goes down.

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Originally posted by Prep-Man
You think tapping into the power of God himself logical??
Just FYI, Strange has also done that.

I'd say Dr Strange based on the fact I don't know much about Dr Fate. Does anybody know if he's powerful?

Originally posted by harri
I'd say Dr Strange based on the fact I don't know much about Dr Fate. Does anybody know if he's powerful? I'd say PIS CIS off he'd beat PC supes with ease do to his magic weakness and would even stand up in a fist fight. Darkseid would probably crap himself at Hector or Kent.

Originally posted by Uriel005
I'd say PIS CIS off he'd beat PC supes with ease do to his magic weakness and would even stand up in a fist fight. Darkseid would probably crap himself at Hector or Kent.

I wouldn't go as far as the Darkseid part, but it's just amusing to me how some people (not saying you, just saying in general) will give an opinion about a topic like this, yet either state up front that they have little knowledge of one or the other characters, or by their arguements make it clear they don't know "x" very well, and yet still continue on with their flawed debates.

As indicated by the more knowledgable/reasonable posters so far in this thread, it's very clear that they are relatively equal: Strange has the edge in terms of finesse, while Fate has the edge in terms of more direct/"structured" magic, and has the physical advantage (though, unless he could viably find a way to exploit that, it's not as great an advantage as it seems on its face, in terms of the ongoing debate).

It's a general split, with arguements provided for a 6/10 advantage either way, and a few of the more knowledgable posters siding with Fate, though only very marginally, and largely due to his physical advantage.

Originally posted by tideoftime
I wouldn't go as far as the Darkseid part, but it's just amusing to me how some people (not saying you, just saying in general) will give an opinion about a topic like this, yet either state up front that they have little knowledge of one or the other characters, or by their arguements make it clear they don't know "x" very well, and yet still continue on with their flawed debates.
You seem to be pointing at me there, don't mean to annoy people, I was just asking people if they knew how powerful Dr Fate was. It's just a discussion and debate about comics, no need to get so annoyed by me mate

Originally posted by tideoftime
I wouldn't go as far as the Darkseid part, but it's just amusing to me how some people (not saying you, just saying in general) will give an opinion about a topic like this, yet either state up front that they have little knowledge of one or the other characters, or by their arguements make it clear they don't know "x" very well, and yet still continue on with their flawed debates.

As indicated by the more knowledgable/reasonable posters so far in this thread, it's very clear that they are relatively equal: Strange has the edge in terms of finesse, while Fate has the edge in terms of more direct/"structured" magic, and has the physical advantage (though, unless he could viably find a way to exploit that, it's not as great an advantage as it seems on its face, in terms of the ongoing debate).

It's a general split, with arguements provided for a 6/10 advantage either way, and a few of the more knowledgable posters siding with Fate, though only very marginally, and largely due to his physical advantage. I feel the physical advantage would be mitigated by bands of Cytorrak though.

Originally posted by Uriel005
I feel the physical advantage would be mitigated by bands of Cytorrak though. Fate has the same option. In one instance Fate used a spell to bind both a God of Chaos, and a Lord of Order in their own realm.

Originally posted by "Id"
Bump.

Who are the respective experts of Strange, and Fate here on KMC?

Anyone?

Strange

Originally posted by "Id"
Anyone?

I think Desaad is the most knowledgeable here.

I'm not the expert on Strange but I know a lot about him (used him as a tourney character once).

I am revamping the Fate respect thread.

Originally posted by "Id"
I am revamping the Fate respect thread.

Did you just start?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Did you just start?

I am still gathering material. I am just getting started, and I have 5 gig file already. This will take up some serious time.

Absolute equal magical abilities. Fate is far superior physically, Strange is shown to be slightly superior mentally, i.e telepathy, will power and intelligence(debatable. But i believe Strange is smarter). What is more effective in a fight like this? Physical prowess or mental prowess.

I am not sure about Strange being smarter. Fate is the composite being of Kent, and Nabu where Nabu conscious takes over, and leads. So its really stacking up Nabu with Strange.

are these guy using all of their items (that they can summon to the field)?

Originally posted by "Id"
So its really stacking up Nabu with Strange. No, It's stacking Nabu vs the all the knowledgevne earth, all the Sorcerer Supreme's that ever existed, a god of knowledge(aggamoto), and Strange's thousands of years of learning.

Regarding Strange jacking Nabu's power; that may not work. Mordru and other people have tried that. Fate's gear comes with the power, and it's been shown that it doesn't like being tampered with.

Very tough call. I'm going 50/50.

I see what you're saying and you may be right, i don't really know. But ask yourself this, has strange stolen power from people higher than nabu?

Originally posted by long pig
No, It's stacking Nabu vs the all the knowledgevne earth, all the Sorcerer Supreme's that ever existed, a god of knowledge(aggamoto), and Strange's thousands of years of learning.

Your still stacking Strange against Nabu, only this time pointing out Strange's accumulated knowledge. Dramatically I might say.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
are these guy using all of their items (that they can summon to the field)? I was thinking more along the lines of standard items. Using the equipment they walk around with.

Originally posted by "Id"
I was thinking more along the lines of standard items. Using the equipment they walk around with. Thinking, not really your forte...WARNED!

Originally posted by Badabing
Thinking, not really your forte...WARNED!
Reported.

Originally posted by Uriel005
I feel the physical advantage would be mitigated by bands of Cytorrak though.
Haven't they been broken by Namor and Man-Thing?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Haven't they been broken by Namor and Man-Thing? IDR about Namor but wasn't Man-thin under amps or something.

Originally posted by long pig
I see what you're saying and you may be right, i don't really know. But ask yourself this, has strange stolen power from people higher than nabu? Shuma-Gorath is the only entity I would put above Nabu. Nabu's definitely Vishanti level. He's only lost to Mordru, and of course, Spectre in DOV.

Which was a really high showing given how long he lasted and what he was up against.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Haven't they been broken by Namor and Man-Thing? No one has broken full powered CB other than a skyfather who was above cytt tmk.... and Strange proceeded to beat that SF. Namor didn't break them, he fought against them so hard that it created a psychic backlash and ko'd doc that's when they broke. (Strange was in astral form which gives him limited use to affect physical things ). MindlessHulk broke them in heroes reborn but it said that he broke them cuz in that pocket dimension the narration says franklin 'gave him the ability to do anything, even the impossible like braking the bands.' or something to that nature. fate can't break them. Don't know bout manthing.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Shuma-Gorath is the only entity I would put above Nabu. Nabu's definitely Vishanti level. He's only lost to Mordru, and of course, Spectre in DOV.

Which was a really high showing given how long he lasted and what he was up against. So the answer to 'Has strange ever stolen power above Nabu?' is....yes. Strange stole power from an Infinite. Does Nabu have infinite power? He's never failed to grab power from anyone he's ever tried. I'm not saying he'll do it here, just saying he's shown that he's able.

Just to make it clear I see this as a no contest. Either one could beat the other on any given day.

Also, as I've shown before, The Vishanti will personally fight for Strange if need be. So bed that into your decision process as well.

Also, as I've shown before, Nabu will personally fight for Fate if need be. So bed that into your decision process as well.

















































peaches

opps

Classic Strange punks Dr. Fate

Classic fate.

And still Fate.

Come at me brah

Dr Fate wins since I don't remember him losing to a novice practitioner of magic the way Dr strange lost

I can also see arguements for 6/10 either way as being valid.http://xiye521.info/13.jpg

Fate punks strange.