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sans wonder woman

Apoc

destroyer, animated by...hell, anyone.

does h2h include shapeshifting?

I don't think WW would beat Herc.

She's probably better at him in every skill--maybe equal in wrestling, but he's still stronger and more durable than her.

Originally posted by King Castle
does h2h include shapeshifting? no

so no morphing blades to stab.. gotcha.

apocalypse is out...

Maxam has a good chance of beating him

Sersi

Danny Rand. Assuming he can go on a perfect run dodging all of Hercs shots. He is fast enough to dodge them but its unlikely. BTW with his recent absurd chi amp showings he's easily minimum class 75 on chi amp. That coupled with his skills I say he's now herald.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
I don't think WW would beat Herc.

She's probably better at him in every skill--maybe equal in wrestling, but he's still stronger and more durable than her.

Uhhh... no...

Even in the cross-over (yes, I know - non-cannon, blah blah), Diana was clearly indicated as being more skilled, at least equally strong, and certainly comparable in terms of general durability (Classic Herc does make out better in terms of long-term endurance -- Diana can even go for days, if need be, but does need rest/sleep eventually; his general "immortality" is, of course, over her, as well). Even in DC, Diana has defeated Hercules, directly, in his ascended god incarnation, (as opposed to "mere" demi-god status, whom she's been owning since 1941), where his abilities are greater than his "standard"/classic mythos (him holding up Themiscyra, and even large portions of the Earth and similar feats of strength/power).

WW>Hercules, in DC as well as Marvel (obviously, his current uber-god status would make him a stomp over her, of course, but generally speaking...)

*****

Space Mummy's "Destroyer" reference may or may not have been intended for humor, but is true never-the-less; even the Sersi "joke" is not unfounded -- Herc is not always the wisest, and she can make with some considerable mojo... (Yeah, I know -- he makes with the Daddy-Mack, and she's just as likely to make like Jen and go spread-eagle...)

Originally posted by Uriel005
Danny Rand. Assuming he can go on a perfect run dodging all of Hercs shots. He is fast enough to dodge them but its unlikely. BTW with his recent absurd chi amp showings he's easily minimum class 75 on chi amp. That coupled with his skills I say he's now herald. i cant/wont bother to think where exactly herald is right now but i cant imagine this being so.

Originally posted by tideoftime
Even in the cross-over

Stopped reading immediately.

You know its not canon, so don't even reference it. At all.

Yes, Herc is stronger and more durable than her where it matters. In his own continuity.

Originally posted by tideoftime
Uhhh... no...

Even in the cross-over (yes, I know - non-cannon, blah blah), Diana was clearly indicated as being more skilled, at least equally strong, and certainly comparable in terms of general durability (Classic Herc does make out better in terms of long-term endurance -- Diana can even go for days, if need be, but does need rest/sleep eventually; his general "immortality" is, of course, over her, as well). Even in DC, Diana has defeated Hercules, directly, in his ascended god incarnation, (as opposed to "mere" demi-god status, whom she's been owning since 1941), where his abilities are greater than his "standard"/classic mythos (him holding up Themiscyra, and even large portions of the Earth and similar feats of strength/power).

WW>Hercules, in DC as well as Marvel (obviously, his current uber-god status would make him a stomp over her, of course, but generally speaking...)

*****

Space Mummy's "Destroyer" reference may or may not have been intended for humor, but is true never-the-less; even the Sersi "joke" is not unfounded -- Herc is not always the wisest, and she can make with some considerable mojo... (Yeah, I know -- he makes with the Daddy-Mack, and she's just as likely to make like Jen and go spread-eagle...) The only thing WW has over Marvel Herc is speed.

Thor.

And Wonder Woman isn't beating Hercules in hand to hand combat.

Originally posted by tideoftime
Uhhh... no...

Even in the cross-over (yes, I know - non-cannon, blah blah), Diana was clearly indicated as being more skilled, at least equally strong, and certainly comparable in terms of general durability (Classic Herc does make out better in terms of long-term endurance -- Diana can even go for days, if need be, but does need rest/sleep eventually; his general "immortality" is, of course, over her, as well). Even in DC, Diana has defeated Hercules, directly, in his ascended god incarnation, (as opposed to "mere" demi-god status, whom she's been owning since 1941), where his abilities are greater than his "standard"/classic mythos (him holding up Themiscyra, and even large portions of the Earth and similar feats of strength/power).

WW>Hercules, in DC as well as Marvel (obviously, his current uber-god status would make him a stomp over her, of course, but generally speaking...)

Lol.

Herc already beat Thor in hth.

Originally posted by Mindset
Herc already beat Thor in hth.

When?

And yes, even in Blood Oath, he never actually defeated Thor.

Most Hercules fans love bringing up one writer's attempt to throw Hercules a bone by claiming his slightly more skilled. Unfortunately, I can bring up evidence that shows Thor outperforming the Olympian physically.

You take one, you take the other.

Either way, if you don't think Thor can beat Hercules in hand to hand combat, you're delusional.

You know when.

I wasn't aware the word slightly was mentioned, I'm aware Thor said Herc was better though.

Ok, I can bring up evidence of Herc beating Thor in a hth fight in a thread about hth.

Either way, Herc beat Thor in hth.

Did I mention who beat whom in hth?

Originally posted by Mindset
You know when.

I wasn't aware the word slightly was mentioned, I'm aware Thor said Herc was better though.

Ok, I can bring up evidence of Herc beating Thor in a hth fight in a thread about hth.

Either way, Herc beat Thor in hth.

Did I mention who beat whom in hth?

I hope you aren't talking about the Thorcules and HercuThor fight.

Whether you're aware of it or not, doesn't change the fact that it's what Thor said. Hercules is slightly better than Thor in hand to hand combat. Thor completely outperforming Hercules physically, would offset a slight skill advantage.

When?

Yeah Thor in thought bubbles said Herc is slightly his better in h2h.

All the while he was looking dead-eyed up in the sky as Herc was putting him out with an RNC.

It was a pretty funny visual.

But yeah Thor can get some wins out of Herc in h2h, Gotta give Herc the slight majority though.

I'm talking about when Herc had Thor in a chokehold and Thor using lightning.

Thor lifted more than the sky?

When what?

Unless Thor outperformed Herc more recently than we saw Herc choking him out, then its not that useful.

Herc presumably had to match Thor in physicality in order to, you know, put him in that chokehold in the first place.

I just like seeing Rage talk about Thor.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Yeah Thor in thought bubbles said Herc is slightly his better in h2h.

All the while he was looking dead-eyed up in the sky as Herc was putting him out with an RNC.

It was a pretty funny visual.

But yeah Thor can get some wins out of Herc in h2h, Gotta give Herc the slight majority though.

I don't get this logic. They've had like a dozen fights. In only one fight did Hercules have anything resembling an advantage and that was a writer throwing the Olympian a bone by his own admission.

On the other hand, we've had Thor outperform Hercules by a fair bit in a direct battle against an opponent.

If one wants to use the Blood Oath fight as evidence that Hercules wins, why can't I use the Armak fight as evidence that when Thor kicks it up a notch, his physically superiority is more than enough to offset a skill advantage?

Originally posted by Mindset
I'm talking about when Herc had Thor in a chokehold and Thor using lightning.

Thor lifted more than the sky?

When what?

He didn't beat Thor unfortunately. Logic dictates that he would have, but this board is rubbing off on me.

Thor's lifted infinite weight whatever that means.

Nothing.

Lol.

Also, the sky is infinite.

The Sky's infinite? What planet do you live on?

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Unless Thor outperformed Herc more recently than we saw Herc choking him out, then its not that useful.

Herc presumably had to match Thor in physicality in order to, you know, put him in that chokehold in the first place.

Thor outperformed Hercules in a different category from skill. Even though I don't think this

Sure. He had to match Thor at that level.

Fun fact: Thor's broken out of that nearly identical hold in the past.

I think current Hulk can. He's the only one with the healing factor to survive all those kicks to the groin... O_O

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The Sky's infinite? What planet do you live on?



Thor outperformed Hercules in a different category from skill. Even though I don't think this

Sure. He had to match Thor at that level.

Fun fact: Thor's broken out of that nearly identical hold in the past. The same one you do.

The one where we can't lift the sky.

However, Herc lifting the sky = Herc lifting the weight of the universe.

Originally posted by Mindset
The same one you do.

The one where we can't lift the sky.

However, Herc lifting the sky = Herc lifting the weight of the universe.

Oh really? Apparently I've forgotten parts of that issue. Where did it say that Atlas' burden was equivalent to the weight of the Universe? I don't really care if it is as I'd say the World Engine feat is more impressive than either instances, but indulge me.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Oh really? Apparently I've forgotten parts of that issue. Where did it say that Atlas' burden was equivalent to the weight of the Universe? I don't really care if it is as I'd say the World Engine feat is more impressive than either instances, but indulge me. In the pages.

whoever doesn't have balls has a chance.
Surfer comes to mind

thor only beat hercules by summoing lightning from the sky

"upon the field of battle he is my equal, upon hand to hand combat he is my superior"


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not to mention they arm wrestled once and almost broke the earth in half and was stalemating

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


Fun fact: Thor's broken out of that nearly identical hold in the past. herc was weaker in the past

A little fun facts herc was beating thor during blood oath while drunk. I think there fight in hercs series is a great indicator of how a fight between them would go.

Orion.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
thor only beat hercules by summoing lightning from the sky

"upon the field of battle he is my equal, upon hand to hand combat he is my superior"


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not to mention they arm wrestled once and almost broke the earth in half and was stalemating
Seems like BS to me if Thor is saying that Hercules would be his equal in an all out fight with all powers available. Thor should shit stomp Classic Herc if it's not a purely close quarters affair.

why so? hercules ripped apart a clone of thor even with all other powers

A clone that doesnt have the same feats as the real Thor.

facepalm

Maxam

I don't think maxam could beat herc. Classic jugs and current hulk.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Orion.


Seems like BS to me if Thor is saying that Hercules would be his equal in an all out fight with all powers available. Thor should shit stomp Classic Herc if it's not a purely close quarters affair. "Upon the field of battle" is them using weapons.

Originally posted by carver9
I don't think maxam could beat herc. Classic jugs and current hulk. He already has

Kurse

Mangog

Originally posted by Mindset
"Upon the field of battle" is them using weapons.
I suppose you could define it that way, but it's very vague.

Not really.

Although Herc is a tough SOB, Orion of the new gods would pwn him...

Originally posted by King Castle
Mangog

Isn't he above Herald level?


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Originally posted by The Nuul
A clone that doesnt have the same feats as the real Thor.

facepalm

Yea, Ragnarok/Clor, while fairly powerful, is still obviously a shadow of the original.

He's maybe low herald.

Originally posted by kbclassof09
Although Herc is a tough SOB, Orion of the new gods would pwn him... based on what

Hulk, Juggernaut, probably Maxam, MAYBE Orion

Destroyer... also dumb Drax

Originally posted by Uriel005
Danny Rand. Assuming he can go on a perfect run dodging all of Hercs shots. He is fast enough to dodge them but its unlikely. BTW with his recent absurd chi amp showings he's easily minimum class 75 on chi amp. That coupled with his skills I say he's now herald.

Hiroim slapped Rand down like a fly though.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
based on what

Based on the fact that Orion always trade blows with the planet moving Superman and their fights always end in stalemate. Orion has also defeated his father Darkseid (whose even stronger than Superman) and many other beings close or equal to Superman's strength level

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
based on what Originally posted by kbclassof09
Based on the fact that Orion always trade blows with the planet moving Superman and their fights always end in stalemate. Orion has also defeated his father Darkseid (whose even stronger than Superman) and many other beings close or equal to Superman's strength level This.

he wouldn't stomp/pwn him but yeah he would win a healthy majority.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
This.

he wouldn't stomp/pwn him but yeah he would win a healthy majority.

No matter how u put it he would still get whooped by Orion.

Originally posted by kbclassof09
No matter how u put it he would still get his ass handed to Orion. No.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
No.

So you think Hercules is stronger than Superman?

Superman, Wonder Woman, Thor, Silver Surfer, and others.

hulk, superman, captain marvel, black adam, and gladiator for starters

Originally posted by Stoic
Hiroim slapped Rand down like a fly though. when was this??

Originally posted by Sirius77
Superman, Wonder Woman, Thor, Silver Surfer, and others. No

Originally posted by r0nm0n88
hulk, superman, captain marvel, black adam, and gladiator for starters

I disagree with all of this.

Originally posted by Mindset
No


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Originally posted by Uriel005
when was this??

During the WW Hulk arc, Rand and Ronin were attempting to keep Hiroim from collecting Dr. Strange. When Rand hit Hiroim with the Ironfist he barely did any damage at all, and then Hiroim took him out with one punch. Outside of BS what Herald level character would have a hard time defeating Black Panther?

Originally posted by kbclassof09
So you think Hercules is stronger than Superman? strength is not everything

Originally posted by Sirius77
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Lol that show is hilarious

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Originally posted by CosmicComet
I don't think WW would beat Herc.

he's still stronger and more durable than her.

Highly debatable

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
sans wonder woman this guy can...

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Hm, how about some villains? Like classic Mongul Sr.

Originally posted by Stoic
During the WW Hulk arc, Rand and Ronin were attempting to keep Hiroim from collecting Dr. Strange. When Rand hit Hiroim with the Ironfist he barely did any damage at all, and then Hiroim took him out with one punch. Outside of BS what Herald level character would have a hard time defeating Black Panther? why didnt he just death touch him then??? he has a near infinite number of ways to kill people now beyond brute force as far as I'm aware with all of his martial arts techniques.

Among Danny's many techniques is not some works-against-any-toughness 'death touch'. Nerve strikes that can kill, sure, but not against someone too tough for them.

Originally posted by Q99
Among Danny's many techniques is not some works-against-any-toughness 'death touch'. Nerve strikes that can kill, sure, but not against someone too tough for them.
Black Black poison touch after obtaining the book of the iron fist apparently he also has a host of other instant kills now too along with healing and awareness. They are chi based kill moves more psychic based than anything else.