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Wolverine has to conquer DC Earth. Wolverine has Silver Surfer's powers and is just as skilled, he has no HF, claws or adamantuim. He assembles a team:

Hank Pym
Ghost
Punisher
Enchantress (from Shadowpact) and The Hand
Daken

Base of operation: Oblivion Bar

The team land on DC earth and are trusted by the heroic community, after this they get 6 months to set a plan in motion. During this time nobody will be able to suspect they are planning anything but after the 6 months are up you have to decide what will happen.

No in-fighting. This is not a straight forward battle and various tactics will be used eg bribing, murder, infiltration making allies etc.

DC wins.

Originally posted by Silent Master
DC wins.

By the way you do know who Enchantress is right?

Originally posted by Deadline
Wolverine has to conquer DC Earth. Wolverine has Silver Surfer's powers and is just as skilled, he has no HF, claws or adamantuim. He assembles a team:

Hank Pym
Ghost
Punisher
Enchantress (from Shadowpact) and The Hand
Daken

Base of operation: Oblivion Bar

The team land on DC earth and are trusted by the heroic community, after this they get 6 months to set a plan in motion. During this time nobody will be able to suspect they are planning anything but after the 6 months are up you have to decide what will happen.

No in-fighting. This is not a straight forward battle and various tactics will be used eg bribing, murder, infiltration making allies etc. mmm

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Originally posted by Badabing
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Yyyyyyyeah DC stomps hard.

dumb dumb dumb

The I's have itOriginally posted by Badabing
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Re-opened. Deadline is about to pwn youz guys!

Originally posted by Badabing
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Parm is reported for back seat modding.

I don't get why Wolverine needs to be a base for Surfer's powers if he's losing his own unique traits and basically becoming Surfer altogether.

Originally posted by Konton
I don't get why Wolverine needs to be a base for Surfer's powers if he's losing his own unique traits and basically becoming Surfer altogether.

thumbsup exactly.

Originally posted by Konton
I don't get why Wolverine needs to be a base for Surfer's powers if he's losing his own unique traits and basically becoming Surfer altogether.

The reason is because Silver Surfers personality hinders his powerset. Silver Surfer holds back alot. With Wolverines mindset he would be more lethal, for example if he came across Superman he may pull some K-nite radiation thingy attack, while SS would allow himself to get knocked about before using it. Also Wolverine now has FTL reflexes and top tier MA skills, he would pawn Superman in h2h.

Also it's for the prep. Wolverine has years of experience in espionage and assasination. His brain will be good for the prep. Wolverine's intellect is underrated its just that he doesn't usually need to use it, when he needs to use his brain he's proven to be one of the best.


Also you guys are forgetting Enchantress. Enchantress was essential in temporarily beating the Spectre. She was also able to defeat a Sorceress who created a forcefield that was so powerful it caused the Phantom Stranger unbearable pain, the forcefield was so powerful that PS didn't want to try and breach it again. Superman and Hal Jordaon had no idea how to breach it either.

Basically Enchantress isn't the most powerful magic user in DC but you could certainly argue she is the shrewdest. Add the whole of the Hand, Hank Pym and DC are in for hell. Not to mention I have a guy on my team whose tech specialises in not being detected and infiltration. Hell if you guys are reading Thunderbolts his captors aren't even aware of all the tech he has and they have him under survillance.

Meh.

^ Translation. Good points but I'm not going to admit they are.

Hank Pym wins this on his own as Wolverine and the rest of the team watch in shock.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Hank Pym wins this on his own as Wolverine and the rest of the team watch in shock.



The other members of the team are important as well. Especially Enchantress, Hank may have problems with magic users. Overrating Hank or what.

Also Hank is not an assasin or a deciever. Punisher, Wolverine, Ghost and Daken will be good for dealing with people like Batman. Hank is good at tech and to a degree strategy but he will have a problem when dealing with people like Batman. Tech knowledge only gets you so far.

Originally posted by Deadline
^ Translation. Good points but I'm not going to admit they are.

No, it means who cares.

^ concession accepted.

Originally posted by Deadline
Wolverine has to conquer DC Earth. Wolverine has Silver Surfer's powers and is just as skilled, he has no HF, claws or adamantuim. He assembles a team: Wouldn't that just be silver surfer with Wolverine's knowledge of tactics, skills and the like?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Wouldn't that just be silver surfer with Wolverine's knowledge of tactics, skills and the like?

Yea I guess, either give SS wolverine skills or give Wolverines SS's powers.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Wouldn't that just be silver surfer with Wolverine's knowledge of tactics, skills and the like?

Not really. Surfer's a pussy while Logan is the best at what he does. Ergo Wolverine will be the best herald there is. But seriously, Wolverine would be as much more of a threat than Surfer.

So this is basically surfer with wolverines personality?

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Not really. Surfer's a pussy while Logan is the best at what he does. Ergo Wolverine will be the best herald there is. But seriously, Wolverine would be as much more of a threat than Surfer.

Exactly.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
So this is basically surfer with wolverines personality?

and skills and knowledge.

Is that all you guys got? durhulk

Logan with Norrins powers would still get owned, by regular old Morrin imo

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Logan with Norrins powers would still get owned, by regular old Morrin imo

Who the F is morrin?

Originally posted by Deadline
Who the F is morrin?

typo you know who i was referring to

Originally posted by Sin I AM
typo you know who i was referring to

Yea I guess so that sentence don't seem to make sense to me. It sounds like he gets owned by himself.

At any rate Surfer is a bit of a pussy Wolverines mindset would make him more lethal, he wouldn't mess around.

Originally posted by Deadline
Yea I guess so that sentence don't seem to make sense to me. It sounds like he gets owned by himself.

At any rate Surfer is a bit of a pussy Wolverines mindset would make him more lethal, he wouldn't mess around.

it makes total sense if you read the sentence... Wolverine with Silver Surfers powers, would get OWNED by plain old Silver Surfer..Logan is NOT a master tactician, his fighting style would not make him a beast with the power cosmic

Originally posted by Sin I AM
it makes total sense if you read the sentence... Wolverine with Silver Surfers powers, would get OWNED by plain old Silver Surfer..Logan is NOT a master tactician, his fighting style would not make him a beast with the power cosmic

Oh yea.

In his own right he is, especially when it comes to hurting people, he proved that in his fight with Cap who is a master tactician. Now that he has the power cosmic hes obvoulsy going to add his mentality in his application of the powers.

No he wouldn't get owned in fact he would probably beat SS because he holds back alot. Hes been able to adapt depowered he can adapt with a new powerset. You really think Wolverine is a moron.

Originally posted by Deadline
Oh yea.

In his own right he is, especially when it comes to hurting people, he proved that in his fight with Cap who is a master tactician. Now that he has the power cosmic hes obvoulsy going to add his mentality in his application of the powers.

No he wouldn't get owned in fact he would probably beat SS because he holds back alot. Hes been able to adapt depowered he can adapt with a new powerset. You really think Wolverine is a moron.

you confusing fighting skill with tactics, Cap is a better tactician than Wolverine but he should lose every time due to HF and adaman claws, HOWEVER put him in a leadership role like his avengers against logans x-men and hed trump everytime......


that being said it takes imo finesse and control to use the power cosmic effectively....logan does not have that

Wolverine having surfer's powers and skills doesn't automatically make him better than Surfer. There's no logic to that at all, imo.

Surfer still has experience and his own mentality, which includes being versatile as hell.

it's like giving Batman Superman's powers and expecting him to do a better job. He wouldn't, because skill isn't enough, tbh.

Originally posted by Konton
I don't get why Wolverine needs to be a base for Surfer's powers if he's losing his own unique traits and basically becoming Surfer altogether.

Originally posted by -Pr-
it's like giving Batman Superman's powers and expecting him to do a better job.


i agree with everything u said except this

Originally posted by -Pr-
Wolverine having surfer's powers and skills doesn't automatically make him better than Surfer. There's no logic to that at all, imo.

Surfer still has experience and his own mentality, which includes being versatile as hell.

it's like giving Batman Superman's powers and expecting him to do a better job. He wouldn't, because skill isn't enough, tbh. I think it has something to do with MA wank. Just because a person has MA skill doesn't mean they are better with their someone else's power that they've been using for decades. MA doesn't mean instant expert.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
i agree with everything u said except this

well, that's because he's batman. i should have used a better example. mmm

Originally posted by -Pr-
well, that's because he's batman. i should have used a better example. mmm How about Wolverine?

Originally posted by Parmaniac
How about Wolverine?


there is a HUGE difference between Bruce and Logan

Originally posted by Sin I AM
you confusing fighting skill with tactics, Cap is a better tactician than Wolverine but he should lose every time due to HF and adaman claws, HOWEVER put him in a leadership role like his avengers against logans x-men and hed trump everytime......

Except the point I'm trying to get across is he used tactics to beat Cap. Tactics are involved in fighting. Cap used a move to disable Wolverines claws. Wolverine used a special type of pressure point so that the more Cap thought the worse he would get. Tactics.

Originally posted by Sin I AM

that being said it takes imo finesse and control to use the power cosmic effectively....logan does not have that

Whats that based on? You are probably basing that on the fact that he usually acts like a brick and run into bullets hes shown the ability to be to adapt and use his head when he needs to. Look at the fight that Wolverine has with Omega Red and Lady Deathstrike. Hes also been involved Mafia politics as well.






Originally posted by -Pr-
Wolverine having surfer's powers and skills doesn't automatically make him better than Surfer. There's no logic to that at all, imo.


The fact that Wolverine is willing to use more lethal force isn't logical?

Originally posted by -Pr-

Surfer still has experience and his own mentality, which includes being versatile as hell.

it's like giving Batman Superman's powers and expecting him to do a better job. He wouldn't, because skill isn't enough, tbh.

Experience doesn't change anything because I stated at the beginning anything that Surfer can do Wolverine can. Silver Surfers powers are more versatile than Wolverines. What proof is there that his mentality is more versatile?

Originally posted by Parmaniac
How about Wolverine?

Ha. No.

Originally posted by Deadline
The fact that Wolverine is willing to use more lethal force isn't logical?

that isn't what i said. at all.



Experience changes plenty. Telling him "you can do x" isn't the same as having done it fifty times.

Because he has to work out ways NOT to kill people even when using his powers to effect. Superman is exactly the same. They have to come up with ways to take people down that don't involved frying them/punching their head clean off.

He can't have his own and Logan's personalities. He has to have one or the other, unless you want to cherry pick.

Originally posted by -Pr-




that isn't what i said. at all.


No you didn't. You didn't specify what you mean't did you, it was ambigous. Since that was the main reason why I think he would be better.

Originally posted by -Pr-


Experience changes plenty. Telling him "you can do x" isn't the same as having done it fifty times.

Because he has to work out ways NOT to kill people even when using his powers to effect. Superman is exactly the same. They have to come up with ways to take people down that don't involved frying them/punching their head clean off.

He can't have his own and Logan's personalities. He has to have one or the other, unless you want to cherry pick.

When I said that Wolverine can do anything that Surfer can do I mean't he can do any trick that he can do with the same amount of ease, so yes experience is irrelevant and I guess persoanlity is as well.

Wolverine isn't smart enough to think of using them for anything above blasting.

Originally posted by Deadline
Except the point I'm trying to get across is he used tactics to beat Cap. Tactics are involved in fighting. Cap used a move to disable Wolverines claws. Wolverine used a special type of pressure point so that the more Cap thought the worse he would get. Tactics.



Whats that based on? You are probably basing that on the fact that he usually acts like a brick and run into bullets hes shown the ability to be to adapt and use his head when he needs to. Look at the fight that Wolverine has with Omega Red and Lady Deathstrike. Hes also been involved Mafia politics as well.




Meh I see it as fighting prowess, but lets just agree to disagree....



on average he fights like an unrestrained brick, RARELY does he not go rushing in and getting his ass handed to him before he heals then deals with the opponent more effectively. He'd be dead LONG ago if not for HF. I mean look at the ownage that his team was dealt attacking Apoc, tactically he sucks.

Originally posted by Deadline
No you didn't. You didn't specify what you mean't did you, it was ambigous. Since that was the main reason why I think he would be better.



When I said that Wolverine can do anything that Surfer can do I mean't he can do any trick that he can do with the same amount of ease, so yes experience is irrelevant and I guess persoanlity is as well.

i was clear enough. Your assumption that he'd be naturally better than Wolverine has no basis other than some vague "he doesn't hold back" comment.

so it's basically surfer with no CIS vs dc earth then? either way he's getting stomped imo.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Meh I see it as fighting prowess, but lets just agree to disagree....



Fighting prowress was obvoulsy used but tactics were used as well. The use of the pressure point was obvoulsy for tactical purposes.

Originally posted by Sin I AM

on average he fights like an unrestrained brick, RARELY does he not go rushing in and getting his ass handed to him before he heals then deals with the opponent more effectively. He'd be dead LONG ago if not for HF. I mean look at the ownage that his team was dealt attacking Apoc, tactically he sucks.

Nah you don't say. When you can take shots from the Hulk you don't need to think on average. Which is why I specified when he needs to.

Originally posted by -Pr-
i was clear enough. Your assumption that he'd be naturally better than Wolverine has no basis other than some vague "he doesn't hold back" comment.


Theres nothing in your post that automatically excludes Wolverine mentality. Anyway I think its moot now.

Originally posted by -Pr-

so it's basically surfer with no CIS vs dc earth then? either way he's getting stomped imo.

You know there are other people in the team as well.

Pr is correct. This thread is bad. Closed.