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iirc didn't Majestic move the solar system around with his bare hands and created a sun with his heat vision to fool some cosmic entity? Tbh, if this is peak Majestros, I'll go out on a limb and say superman isn't technically needed. Especially if he has his sword... if not, still team one. Superman is no pushover either.

Team thor.

Originally posted by Sirius77
iirc didn't Majestic move the solar system around with his bare hands and created a sun with his heat vision to fool some cosmic entity? Tbh, if this is peak Majestros, I'll go out on a limb and say superman isn't technically needed. Especially if he has his sword... if not, still team one. Superman is no pushover either.

yes, he did. But Majestic gets his sword here.

hammer team

I'm giving it a split and supes is the key factor for his team making it a split. I think any of the hammer bro would crush maj.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm giving it a split and supes is the key factor for his team making it a split. I think any of the hammer bro would crush maj.

BS. Majestic had an easier time at handling Eradicator than Superman did and has higher strength feats.

majestic sword could slice through anything in the universe, even reality warper like Tao. majestic is strong enough to rearrange solar system. move planet easily, one-shotted eradicator(who beated superman couples of time). fast enough to took off kyle rayner ring. created complicated tech in nano second. break out dimension. he solos

Originally posted by Prep-Man
BS. Majestic had an easier time at handling Eradicator than Superman did and has higher strength feats.

Doesn't majestic have a lost against supes? I know what majestic has done but I haven't seen anything from him that puts him over supes. Didn't supes and maj fight already and maj end up losing?

Originally posted by carver9
Doesn't majestic have a lost against supes? I know what majestic has done but I haven't seen anything from him that puts him over supes. Didn't supes and maj fight already and maj end up losing?
no

Originally posted by carver9
Doesn't majestic have a lost against supes? I know what majestic has done but I haven't seen anything from him that puts him over supes. Didn't supes and maj fight already and maj end up losing?

Superman had a hard time moving earth with the help of WW and MM. Majestic rearanged an entire solar system. Do the math.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Superman had a hard time moving earth with the help of WW and MM. Majestic rearanged an entire solar system. Do the math.

Ok, I think I'm getting maj feats mixed up. Didn't he prep for the solar system feat?

he was having a hard time against Apollo.
I love how everyone uses only his high end feats here./
carry on

Originally posted by Warlord
he was having a hard time against Apollo.
I love how everyone uses only his high end feats here./
carry on
when?

Originally posted by carver9
Ok, I think I'm getting maj feats mixed up. Didn't he prep for the solar system feat?

He created gloves so the planet wouldn't collapse or something, but he did it with his own strength.

Originally posted by Warlord
he was having a hard time against Apollo.
I love how everyone uses only his high end feats here./
carry on


And this was the main reason I considered supes above him.

Originally posted by Warlord
he was having a hard time against Apollo.
I love how everyone uses only his high end feats here./
carry on

Apollo has never been in Majestic's league. Ever.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm giving it a split and supes is the key factor for his team making it a split. I think any of the hammer bro would crush maj.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Majestros created a sun with his heat vision...
He rearranged the entire solar system on the fly.


On top of that, he has thousands of years of training in Kerubim h2h combat and is a super genius.

At his peak and with his sword, there's no reason why he can't take at least a split by himself.

Also, feat wise Superman=Thor. So if Majestros is up against brb, he's winning. Team flying superspeed brick ftw.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Ever.

funny thing.
it happens in comics.
low showings

Originally posted by Warlord
funny thing.
it happens in comics.
low showings
what's majestic low showings then?

Show them. I don't recall this ever happening. Because if I did, I would have used the example. I really like Apollo.

Originally posted by MrMind
what's majestic low showings then?

strugling with apollo I guess counts as one

Originally posted by Sirius77
You have no idea what you're talking about.

Majestros created a sun with his heat vision...
He rearranged the entire solar system on the fly.


On top of that, he has thousands of years of training in Kerubim h2h combat and is a super genius.

At his peak and with his sword, there's no reason why he can't take at least a split by himself.

Also, feat wise Superman=Thor. So if Majestros is up against brb, he's winning. Team flying superspeed brick ftw.

I guess I could be wrong, I'm not a maj expert but I always considered supes as his superior.

Originally posted by Sirius77
You have no idea what you're talking about.

Majestros created a sun with his heat vision...
He rearranged the entire solar system on the fly.


On top of that, he has thousands of years of training in Kerubim h2h combat and is a super genius.

At his peak and with his sword, there's no reason why he can't take at least a split by himself.

Also, feat wise Superman=Thor. So if Majestros is up against brb, he's winning. Team flying superspeed brick ftw.

This is what really separates Majestic from Superman. He's a better fighter with a bad ass weapon.

Originally posted by Warlord
strugling with apollo I guess counts as one
when?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Show them. I don't recall this ever happening. Because if I did, I would have used the example. I really like Apollo.

don't have the scans.
It was an authority book
apollo almost incinerated him
Digi is an authority expert he should help.
Not taking anything away from majestic. All I'm saying is EVERY character has low showings

I could have sworn that maj got one shotted by supes in that same apollo incident.

Originally posted by Warlord
don't have the scans.
It was an authority book
apollo almost incinerated him
Digi is an authority expert he should help.
Not taking anything away from majestic. All I'm saying is EVERY character has low showings

It's not in his respect thread. Do you mean the High?

Originally posted by Warlord
don't have the scans.
It was an authority book
apollo almost incinerated him
Digi is an authority expert he should help.
Not taking anything away from majestic. All I'm saying is EVERY character has low showings
I have read every single authority issue, this never happened.
and what's majestic low showings?

guys it might not be an Authority book per se, but it did involved Apollo and Majestic. And Apollo was about to incinerate him.
sorry for the missunderstanding. maybe ask Digi for specifications, but the incident is 100% real

Originally posted by Prep-Man
This is what really separates Majestic from Superman. He's a better fighter with a bad ass weapon. Majestic is like PC Supes with a sword and fewer low end feats. Best way I can describe him. Current Chaos War Thor is pretty beastly so if we go by current versions I go team two. At absolute peak levels assuming RKT & Supes at golden DC 1,000,000 Prime Team 1.

majestic is powerful indeed but let's not making it seem he's in a whole different level than supes and the likes

Originally posted by Warlord
majestic is powerful indeed but let's not making it seem he's in a whole different level than supes and the likes

That's Captain Atom. Not Apollo.

Originally posted by Warlord
majestic is powerful indeed but let's not making it seem he's in a whole different level than supes and the likes
that's cap atom and majestic wasn't trying to fight him first time. the second time it went like this
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/5595/caarmageddon314.jpg
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/5110/caarmageddon315.jpg

Not only that, but CA was powered by Void.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Not only that, but CA was powered by Void.
no, that's only in the final issue.

Hmm, I thought he was, nevermind.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
That's Captain Atom. Not Apollo.



I just pointed out to show he's not how you guys make him to be.

He got blasted by Atom, then in another fight he beat him and so on.

That was what I was saying all along: no one is without losses .
I couldn't find the Apollo incident. It's out there though.

Majestic wasn't really fighting, though.

Originally posted by Warlord


I just pointed out to show he's not how you guys make him to be.

He got blasted by Atom, then in another fight he beat him and so on.

That was what I was saying all along: no one is without losses .
I couldn't find the Apollo incident. It's out there though.



first of all captain atom is very powerful, above superman certainly. and first fight captain atom left before majestic can get up. the second fight pretty much adressed atom ain't a match for him. captain atom was mad and going all out. but majestic taked all his hits effortlessly. and here's a instance in issue 2. atom was trying to fly as fast as he can and got easily surpass by majestic and majestic easily taked his punch when atom was going all out.
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3025/captainatomarmageddon21.jpg

Originally posted by MrMind
first of all captain atom is very powerful, above superman certainly.

stopped reading

You realize blood-lusted, no restraints captain atom is monarch right?

Anyway, in the same arc, captain atom pretty much destroyed the entire wildstorm universe. I forget if he actually went through with it or not. It's been a while since I've read Captain Atom: Armageddon.

Peak ca is over regular superman by a good degree, and the one in caa was amped to a degree iirc.

EDIT.

Originally posted by Sirius77
You realize blood-lusted, no restraints captain atom is monarch right?



the uber Atom you're thinking is the one that have absorbed the alternate versions powers.
It's not just a metality shift

Originally posted by Warlord
stopped reading
he is above superman you just don't know him well. and it doesn't matter anyway since majestic is above both atom and sup

Team 1 wins only because Majestic takes out Bill quicker than Superman vs Thor fight ends.

Captain Atom gets badly written down, but make no mistake about it he is powerful. And in his encounter with Majestic he energy levels where spiking up.

Originally posted by Warlord
the uber Atom you're thinking is the one that have absorbed the alternate versions powers.
It's not just a metality shift Even before he absorbed any other characters' powers, Monarch was still insanely powerful.

Read Battle for Bludhaven #6, and Countdown: Arena #1-4 for proof.

still didn't the armor helped in his power increase?
it wasn't just the fact he turned evil i think

Team 1 destroys.

You guys are low bawling Mr. M, how about Thor getting his ass kick by Captain America.

PIS anyone.

show one lowballing statement

Team 1 wins more often than not.

Originally posted by Warlord
still didn't the armor helped in his power increase?

it wasn't just the fact he turned evil i think No. In Countdown #13 Monarch specifically stated that the armor did NOT strengthen him.

The powerlevels Monarch displayed can be attributed solely to his no holds barred/berserk demeanor. He never received any sort of formal powerup until the end of Arena #4. Everything he did before that was accomplished with his base powerset.

hmmm ok.
It's safe to say a no holding CA is above the likes of supes then

^ When writers aren't watering him down via PIS/CIS, Nathaniel is an absolute beast (again, I use Arena as my main reference.)

T2 5.5/10

Originally posted by Warlord
the uber Atom you're thinking is the one that have absorbed the alternate versions powers.
It's not just a metality shift

Nope.

Before he absorbed 52 Captain Atoms, he was smacking around three versions of Superman, Wonderwoman, and Green Lantern at a time and sometimes all together. All he did was let loose iirc.

How did this turn into a CA thread..?

Team 1 cause of Majestic.

majestic creation blades can cut through anything(even reality warper), and with majestic speed I don't see the hammer bros can prevent themself getting their head chopped off. majestic can easily travel at trans light, he is fast enough to build complicate device at nanosecond. I don't see they are fast enough to react to majestic. Seriously the hammer bros can't even reach the strength and speed of superman. and majestic is far superior than superman.

^You're still wrong.

Originally posted by Sirius77
You have no idea what you're talking about.

Majestros created a sun with his heat vision...
He rearranged the entire solar system on the fly.

On top of that, he has thousands of years of training in Kerubim h2h combat and is a super genius.

At his peak and with his sword, there's no reason why he can't take at least a split by himself.

Also, feat wise Superman=Thor. So if Majestros is up against brb, he's winning. Team flying superspeed brick ftw.

I don't understand how you came to that conclusion from reading the arc. That bit stood out the most.

Where's all the Majestic fap coming from?

i think majestic can take any of the 3 here. at peak levels.

What exactly is peak level?

The most powerful version. Majestic at that level is supposed to be some God.

peak level? universal majestic, but majestic doesn't need his peak level to beat these guys
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5168/80475129802mrmajesticsu.jpg

Universal Majestic? You mean the ambiguous power up that was never explained? And according to Prep Man, a power up he never lost apparently.

I'm hoping you aren't talking about all 3 at the same time.

universal majestic was a god.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Universal Majestic? You mean the ambiguous power up that was never explained? And according to Prep Man, a power up he never lost apparently.

I'm hoping you aren't talking about all 3 at the same time.
he was integral with the universe, and pretty ubber as it seemed
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/5615/blz12.jpg
this version of majestic could probably just absorb the hammer bros
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/8049/blz17.jpg
anyway this is pointless since normal majestic can take these two by himself.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
universal majestic was a god.

So is Thor. My question: And?

this isnt universal majestic though. it wouldnt be fair.

Originally posted by MrMind
he was integral with the universe, and pretty ubber as it seemed

this version of majestic could probably just absorb the hammer bros

anyway this is pointless since normal majestic can take these two by himself.

You do understand that you showed me like nothing worth even mentioning on a vs. forum, right? I know the Universal's represented concepts or whatever, and that Majestic was elevated -spiritually(?)- to their level.

Lol.

Lol once again.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
this isnt universal majestic though. it wouldnt be fair.

Do I need to re-read the arc? Because I remember him doing shit all with his Universal powers. Or is this one of those "in my opinion" type of baseless statements.

thor isn't fast enough to even react to majestic. majestic combat/operating speed is so fast. he could build complex device in nanoseconds.
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/402/1561762nano1super.png
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/5161/1561763nanospeed2super.png
seriously how is thor going to stop from getting his head cut off by creation blade? the creation blade can cut through anything.

re-read it then.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
re-read it then.
the god majestic isn't even necessary here.

Originally posted by MrMind
thor isn't fast enough to even react to majestic. majestic combat/operating speed is so fast. he could build complex device in nanoseconds.
seriously how is thor going to stop from getting his head cut off by creation blade? the creation blade can cut through anything.

So since you're arguing that Majestic:
1) Is going to fight at speeds I've never seen him operate at.
2) Outright kill with no apparent hesistation (His still a hero right?)

Are we assuming that in character scenarios aren't part of the equation?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
re-read it then.

So I'm guessing that's a no?

re-read it and get back.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So since you're arguing that Majestic:
1) Is going to fight at speeds I've never seen him operate at.
2) Outright kill with no apparent hesistation (His still a hero right?)

Are we assuming that in character scenarios aren't part of the equation?
because majestic is ruthless. and since you said you read him I assume you know he does kill. lol even reality warper like tao can't prevent himself get cut, what is thor going to do?
http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/1362/1268406p012super.jpg
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6696/1268404frontsuper.jpg
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/331/1268411p014super.jpg

Since when is Tao a reality warper, last I checked he just used his superhuman intelligence to manipulate people.

Though, it has been a few years since I've read any stories with him.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Since when is Tao a reality warper, last I checked he just used his superhuman intelligence to manipulate people.

Though, it has been a few years since I've read any stories with him.
go read wildcats v5, max faraday can't even handle tao

when he gained the powers of void and the other chick.

Originally posted by MrMind
go read wildcats v5, max faraday can't even handle tao

So it's a somewhat recent development. That explains it, thanks.

Someone should just call Grunge, just seeing him again would probably make Tao start crying.

what did grunge do?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
when he gained the powers of void and the other chick.
Providence

Originally posted by MrMind
because majestic is ruthless. and since you said you read him I assume you know he does kill. lol even reality warper like tao can't prevent himself get cut, what is thor going to do?

The Majestros I read was willing to kill if the circumstances called for it but that about it. He was still a hero. He didn't go slicing off heads or anything of the sort. Unless his changed. Like I said, I stopped reading Wildstorm when they ruined it.

Unfortunately I haven't read the latest arc so I don't know how durable Tao was in his current incarnation or whether or not Majestic took him off guard. Simply being a reality warper means very little in regards to defensive capabilities depending on those two factors.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The Majestros I read was willing to kill if the circumstances called for it but that about it. He was still a hero. He didn't go slicing off heads or anything of the sort. Unless his changed. Like I said, I stopped reading Wildstorm when they ruined it.

Unfortunately I haven't read the latest arc so I don't know how durable Tao was in his current incarnation or whether or not Majestic took him off guard. Simply being a reality warper means very little in regards to defensive capabilities depending on those two factors.
none of the wildcats, team 7 could even harm tao. he's powerful enough to beat void spartan and max faraday at the same time. so yeah he has high defensive capabilities, but even a ubber being like tao can be harmed by creation blades. like I said I have never seen the creation baldes failed, it can easily cut through molecule. so it doesn't matter how durable thor is. the creation blade can cut through any matter. and yes majestic has become more ruthless, he killed his opponents, so he will kill thor or beta ray bill.
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5857/wc20022.jpg

Originally posted by MrMind
none of the wildcats, team 7 could even harm tao. he's powerful enough to beat void spartan and max faraday at the same time. so yeah he has high defensive capabilities, but even a ubber being like tao can be harmed by creation blades. like I said I have never seen the creation baldes failed, it can easily cut through molecule. so it doesn't matter how durable thor is. the creation blade can cut through any matter. and yes majestic has become more ruthless, he killed his opponents, so he will kill thor or beta ray bill.

Was he actively defending himself in those instances? My main point is that base stats really matter against a reality warper.

Oh, I think the creation blades can cut through Thor or Bill. I was never argued against that stance. They've cut through Majestic himself easily. I just think they have more capabilities to counter bladed attacks.

Majestic has killed before. The isn't the main point in contention. Was there any background in that fight, like a previous enemy?

yeah he was willing to kill his teamates but wasnt that because he was going crazy? anyway hed kill thor. he doesnt know the fool.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Was he actively defending himself in those instances? My main point is that base stats really matter against a reality warper.

Oh, I think the creation blades can cut through Thor or Bill. I was never argued against that stance. They've cut through Majestic himself easily. I just think they have more capabilities to counter bladed attacks.

Majestic has killed before. The isn't the main point in contention. Was there any background in that fight, like a previous enemy?
Tao wasn't defending himself. because majestic was so fast he doesn't have time. majestic fly all the way from hawaii in less than seconds to attack Tao.
and how are thor and bill going to counter the blades? majestic is certainly stronger and faster than the team in combat. I don't think thor or bill is even stronger than superman, they have trouble lifting asgard, and superman moved part of the planet. and majestic is stronger than superman because he moved planet himself without any problem(superman has to struggle for it). and majestic move at trans-light plus the nanoseconds scan I provide, It's pretty sure majestic is faster than the team, especially in reaction/combat speed. I know the hammer bros have powerful energy blast but the point is they won't have any time. majestic is going to kill them before they could do anything. because it's pretty certain that they won't dodge his attack.
and majestic was fighting sebastian, he got stabbed through the neck by sebastian in the next panel.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
what did grunge do?

Basically the same thing Tao did to Fuji. Only he did it by being stupid.

Originally posted by MrMind
Tao wasn't defending himself. because majestic was so fast he doesn't have time. majestic fly all the way from hawaii in less than seconds to attack Tao.

Thanks for that bit of info. You see, reality warping powers don't automatically give one invulnerability. From Hawaii? That's nothing for all 4 individuals in this thread.

Originally posted by MrMind
and how are thor and bill going to counter the blades?

Any number of ways from blocking the blades with their hammers, to creating force fields. Heck, since we're playing the what if cards so much, Thor could simply use battle field removal.

Originally posted by MrMind
majestic is certainly stronger and faster than the team in combat.

The only advantage Majestic possibly has is faster combat movement. Which is nothing they can't handle.

Originally posted by MrMind
I don't think thor or bill is even stronger than superman,

I don't think so either. Of course, neither is Majestic.

Originally posted by MrMind
they have trouble lifting asgard,


Asgard dropped. They lifted it. No trouble. It's like me pointing out the time Majestic stopped a piece of a Skyscraper from falling and claiming he was having trouble.

Originally posted by MrMind
and superman moved part of the planet.

Superman's moved more than part of the planet.

Originally posted by MrMind
and majestic is stronger than superman because he moved planet himself without any problem(superman has to struggle for it).

Superman moving the Earth with Green Lantern while it was being pulled to the Sun is a greater feat than Majestic moving the Earth.

Majestic isn't stronger than Thor or Superman. Possibly Bill but it's debatable. I'm most familiar with the Odinson, so if you care to start an argument about who's stronger than who, let's start with Thor vs. Majestic. I'm confident.

Originally posted by MrMind
and majestic move at trans-light plus the nanoseconds scan I provide,

Everyone on this field can move at trans-light speeds. What about the scan? Moving at nanosecond speed isn't anything Bill or Thor can't handle. Even in that fight against Surfer recently, Bill was trading blows while they were moving at faster than light speeds.

Originally posted by MrMind
It's pretty sure majestic is faster than the team, especially in reaction/combat speed.

That implies his faster than them in flight speed etc. which I doubt. He could be faster in movement speed but not to the point Team 2 can't counter.

Originally posted by MrMind
I know the hammer bros have powerful energy blast but the point is they won't have any time. majestic is going to kill them before they could do anything. because it's pretty certain that they won't dodge his attack.

Yea, shit like this isn't worth the time.

Originally posted by MrMind
and majestic was fighting sebastian, he got stabbed through the neck by sebastian in the next panel.

Okay.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
How did this turn into a CA thread..?

Because Warlord is trying to lowball Majestic.

Hammer bros still win.

reasons?

majestic all the way

I give Supes and Majestros the majority over the hammer bros even with out the blades.