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Thor
Iron Man
Captain America
Hawkeye
Hulk
Giant Man
The Wasp
Wolverine
Spiderman
Spiderwoman
Hercules (Classic)
The Vision
Noh-Varr
Quicksilver
Ares

vs

Superboy Prime

Fight takes place in the middle of the day on Earth.

Team takes it!

Originally posted by keiththegreat
Thor
Iron Man
Captain America
Hawkeye
Hulk
Giant Man
The Wasp
Wolverine
Spiderman
Spiderwoman
Hercules (Classic)
The Vision
Noh-Varr
Quicksilver
Ares

vs

Superboy Prime

Fight takes place in the middle of the day on Earth.



spite.............marvel earths mightiest heroes get stomped 10/10

Team dominates.

Originally posted by Mr Marvel
Team takes it! Only if by team you mean Superboy's left and right pimphands.

Team gets instaraped

Originally posted by quanchi112
Team dominates.

Did you ever read Infinite Crisis.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
spite.............marvel earths mightiest heroes get stomped 10/10

What....? Seem a little deluded, huh!

Originally posted by SquallX
Did you ever read Infinite Crisis. Yes, he stands no chance here. I also don't think fleeing from everyone like he did in infinite crisis means he somehow wins.

There are only five people on that team who have a chance to beat him and thats if he behaves in character and brwals otherwise he steamrolls them.

Originally posted by McNasty996
There are only five people on that team who have a chance to beat him and thats if he behaves in character and brwals otherwise he steamrolls them. So you believe in character he loses. I agree.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he stands no chance here. I also don't think fleeing from everyone like he did in infinite crisis means he somehow wins.

gtfoh and stop downplaying Prime Quan...Thor Hulk and Herc are not enough, to defeat even an in character Prime and they are the ONLY threats

Originally posted by Sin I AM
gtfoh and stop downplaying Prime Quan...Thor Hulk and Herc are not enough, to defeat even an in character Prime and they are the ONLY threats I believe they are enough especially when we take into consideration what Thor is capable of on his own while the others can definitely hurt him. Prime loses and has never beaten a team the likes of this by himself in character he tries to escape.

Originally posted by McNasty996
There are only five people on that team who have a chance to beat him and thats if he behaves in character and brwals otherwise he steamrolls them. When fighting groups he uses his other powers too freeze breath and heat vision put half of this team down in seconds

Originally posted by Sin I AM
gtfoh and stop downplaying Prime Quan...Thor Hulk and Herc are not enough, to defeat even an in character Prime and they are the ONLY threats

Well to be fair they do have:

Vision (Phasing)

Ares ( Godly Weapons)

Spiderwoman (Pheremones)

As well as Hank and Tonk there for Analysis & possible counter measures.

Not to mention there opponent has the strategic sense of a kernel of corn.

From the facts, the team has a good chance of taking him down.

Originally posted by Mr Marvel
Well to be fair they do have:

Vision (Phasing)

Ares ( Godly Weapons)

Spiderwoman (Pheremones)

As well as Hank and Tonk there for Analysis & possible counter measures.

Not to mention there opponent has the strategic sense of a kernel of corn.

From the facts, the team has a good chance of taking him down.

EVERY METAHUMAN AND BELOW WILL BE DEAD IN THE FIRST FIVE MINUTES

Ares will be ripped in half again,
Iron Man
Captain America
Hawkeye
Giant Man
The Wasp
Spiderman
Spiderwoman
Quicksilver....should get plowed thru


phasing is visions only saving grace

How well does strategy work for the various DC teams he faced? Hell they prepped for him using his various weaknesses against him and it did jack squat in LOSH they needed kryptonite to stop him

Originally posted by Sin I AM
spite.............marvel earths mightiest heroes get stomped 10/10

This. SBP is superior, he solos all the Avengers that have ever existed.

Originally posted by Bentley
This. SBP is superior, he solos all the Avengers that have ever existed. Kang wishes he were Prime amirite?

Originally posted by iceman24567
Kang wishes he were Prime amirite?


zomfg



*brain shuts down*

Originally posted by Bentley
zomfg



*brain shuts down*

Originally posted by Bentley
This. SBP is superior, he solos all the Avengers that have ever existed.

Not sure about that one. In addition to the heroes listed in the OP, you have:

Sentry
Sersi
Quasar
Thunderstrike
Dr. Strange
Red Hulk
Iron Fist
Scarlet Witch
Wonder Man
Black Widow
Black Knight

And many many more...

Sentry - give him voidtry and its a fight
Sersi- can't make kryptonite from the prime universe killed
Quasar- puts up a fight but the bands are not up to the task.
Thunderstrike- Dead
Dr. Strange- Blitzed Dead
Red Hulk- Absorbing/not-
Iron Fist- Killed to death
Scarlet Witch- Blitzed and killed to death
Wonder Man- not going to last long enough to do much
Black Widow- killed to death
Black Knight-killed to death
Thor- Has a potential for a ko shot on Prime
Iron Man- Ripped in half in the first thirty seconds give him thorbuster armor
Captain America- Has is shield bent and torn in two and promptly killed to death
Hawkeye-killed to death
Hulk- tossed into the sun
Giant Man-has his oversized heart torn out and is killed to death
The Wasp-eaten alive and dissolved in stomach acid
Wolverine- tossed into the sun
Spiderman- killed to death
Spiderwoman- killed via heatvision before pheremones come into play
Hercules (Classic)- Not strong enough SBP sits and tanks all day
The Vision- phasing is a problem until he reality punches him to death
Noh-Varr- 25 tonner moderate durability and less than supersonic speed is killed to death
Quicksilver- not fast enough and promptly killed to death
Ares- puts up a fight but is inevitably killed to death

The problem is most of these people don't have the durability to last against a nonjobbing prime who can accidently kill someone by shaking their hand.

Originally posted by Uriel005
Sentry - give him voidtry and its a fight
Sersi- can't make kryptonite from the prime universe killed
Quasar- puts up a fight but the bands are not up to the task.
Thunderstrike- Dead
Dr. Strange- Blitzed Dead
Red Hulk- Absorbing/not-
Iron Fist- Killed to death
Scarlet Witch- Blitzed and killed to death
Wonder Man- not going to last long enough to do much
Black Widow- killed to death
Black Knight-killed to death
Thor- Has a potential for a ko shot on Prime
Iron Man- Ripped in half in the first thirty seconds give him thorbuster armor
Captain America- Has is shield bent and torn in two and promptly killed to death
Hawkeye-killed to death
Hulk- tossed into the sun
Giant Man-has his oversized heart torn out and is killed to death
The Wasp-eaten alive and dissolved in stomach acid
Wolverine- tossed into the sun
Spiderman- killed to death
Spiderwoman- killed via heatvision before pheremones come into play
Hercules (Classic)- Not strong enough SBP sits and tanks all day
The Vision- phasing is a problem until he reality punches him to death
Noh-Varr- 25 tonner moderate durability and less than supersonic speed is killed to death
Quicksilver- not fast enough and promptly killed to death
Ares- puts up a fight but is inevitably killed to death

The problem is most of these people don't have the durability to last against a nonjobbing prime who can accidently kill someone by shaking their hand.

Keep in mind you're talking about SBP fighting all of these guys at once. And again Bentley said "This. SBP is superior, he solos all the Avengers that have ever existed. "

All of them that ever existed is a heck of a lot of very powerful heroes. The list above isn't even exhaustive. You can add Amadeus Cho, Jocasta, Ms Marvel, Luke Cage, The Thing, Jewel, Hellcat, Falcon, She Hulk, War Machine, Stingray, Firestar, Reed Richards, Sue Richards... and more.

Granted, many of these heroes are underwhelming, but together this is a force that can contend with some skyfathers easily (Thor has taken on, and won against skyfathers BY HIMSELF).

And yes, you can toss the Hulk into the sun in a one on one match...hell, Thor can do that to the Hulk. But in this case if SBP tosses Hulk into the sun, Thor flies in and pulls him out (Thor's been in the center of the sun before).

Originally posted by keiththegreat
And yes, you can toss the Hulk into the sun in a one on one match...hell, Thor can do that to the Hulk. But in this case if SBP tosses Hulk into the sun, Thor flies in and pulls him out (Thor's been in the center of the sun before). It's not that easy to toss the Hulk into the sun and he successfully defended himself against Gladiator who attempted just taking him off the planet.

Originally posted by keiththegreat
Keep in mind you're talking about SBP fighting all of these guys at once. And again Bentley said "This. SBP is superior, he solos all the Avengers that have ever existed. "

All of them that ever existed is a heck of a lot of very powerful heroes. The list above isn't even exhaustive. You can add Amadeus Cho, Jocasta, Ms Marvel, Luke Cage, The Thing, Jewel, Hellcat, Falcon, She Hulk, War Machine, Stingray, Firestar, Reed Richards, Sue Richards... and more.

Granted, many of these heroes are underwhelming, but together this is a force that can contend with some skyfathers easily (Thor has taken on, and won against skyfathers BY HIMSELF). He wasn't being serious

Originally posted by Uriel005


Hercules (Classic)- Not strong enough SBP sits and tanks all day

Ares- puts up a fight but is inevitably killed to death


Also, I would say Hercules would put up a better fight than Ares.

Avengers beat his ass.

they get annihilated

Thor is the only one pwerful enough with a chance to get the ko shot. That will not happen because SBP is too strong, too fast, too vicious.

Originally posted by keiththegreat
Thor
Iron Man
Captain America
Hawkeye
Hulk
Giant Man
The Wasp
Wolverine
Spiderman
Spiderwoman
Hercules (Classic)
The Vision
Noh-Varr
Quicksilver
Ares

vs

Superboy Prime

Fight takes place in the middle of the day on Earth. thor, hulk, herc, vision, wolverine are the only people that could survive long enough to be a threat, nevermind what they can and cannot do to prime. this is mostly a fodder team

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
thor, hulk, herc, vision, wolverine are the only people that could survive long enough to be a threat, nevermind what they can and cannot do to prime. this is mostly a fodder team A mjolnir throw to the head could KO SBP but you would have to get him to hold still long enough for thor to do it.

I don't know even if Prime gave Thor a free shot he could KO him. Hurt/damage him sure, but probably not a straight KO.
Originally posted by keiththegreat
Thor
Iron Man
Captain America
Hawkeye
Hulk
Giant Man
The Wasp
Wolverine
Spiderman
Spiderwoman
Hercules (Classic)
The Vision
Noh-Varr
Quicksilver
Ares

vs

Superboy Prime

Fight takes place in the middle of the day on Earth.
Hulk, Thor, and Classic Herc are the only ones who even matter.

Prime takes this, pretty easily IMO. Most of these guys are fodder.

I mean seriously....I think that a lot of people are underestimating
the avengers line up given, granted, they will have an incredible
battle ahead of them for sure..but .....reallistically, Thor could
always just bfr him.

magic isn't a threat to prime really

Wut i would give to see SBP take on the avengers...

Originally posted by Trackz
magic isn't a threat to prime really So what are you saying would have no effect on him ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
So what are you saying would have no effect on him ?

It would have not effect offensively.


Bfr and defensive magic is still an option

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
It would have not effect offensively.


Bfr and defensive magic is still an option Zauriel did so.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So what are you saying would have no effect on him ? i dont think hes magic immune

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
i dont think hes magic immune I don't think so either.

Add sersi and Quasar the Avengers will smoke SBP.

Originally posted by Bentley
This. SBP is superior, he solos all the Avengers that have ever existed.

he can beat this team.
All avengers ever existed?
No

Avengers is Marvel so SBP loses.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Avengers is Marvel so SBP loses.

Originally posted by quanchi112

dur313

Originally posted by quanchi112
Zauriel did so.

Show me. You can't. Because you're lying.

Zauriel's flaming sword broke on Superboy-prime's arm and he laughed it off. The second time he was weakened and it still happened the same way. Show me an instance and I will say that you are correct. Otherwise stop downplaying characters.

Also, prime stomps.

^What?

Avenger's stomp. This isn't comics where the moment someone faces more than 4 opponents, the cannon fodder rule goes into play.

SBP shit stomps.

Only Thor is a threat and hes not going to beat SBP. Herc and Hulk aint going to do shit and forget the rest, they all get one shotted.

Originally posted by The Nuul
SBP shit stomps.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Show me. You can't. Because you're lying.

Zauriel's flaming sword broke on Superboy-prime's arm and he laughed it off. The second time he was weakened and it still happened the same way. Show me an instance and I will say that you are correct. Otherwise stop downplaying characters. It happened in the infinite crisis tie in. I am not lying but am not posting the scan either. Look through his tie in and you'll see what I am referring to.

Saying a character can be hurt by magic isn't downplaying a character.

Originally posted by The Nuul
SBP shit stomps.

Only Thor is a threat and hes not going to beat SBP. Herc and Hulk aint going to do shit and forget the rest, they all get one shotted.

I thought Surfer and Bill were included in the line up for some reason.

Still, I think Hercules, Thor and Hulk are sufficient to make this a decent fight. That's me being generous. Best case scenario? Thor kicks it up a notch, and ends it.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I thought Surfer and Bill were included in the line up for some reason.

Still, I think Hercules, Thor and Hulk are sufficient to make this a decent fight. That's me being generous. Best case scenario? Thor kicks it up a notch, and ends it. hercules gets one shotted, and i actually think prime could kill hulk

Originally posted by quanchi112
It happened in the infinite crisis tie in. I am not lying but am not posting the scan either. Look through his tie in and you'll see what I am referring to.

Saying a character can be hurt by magic isn't downplaying a character.

Fine. I will.

All showings with Superboy-prime and Zauriel.

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/tofastforgl.jpg
"Your swords magic. But magic doesn't hurt me. Go back to your creator angel."

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/10/25/1539595/primvs3.jpg
Zauriel's only other showing with Superboy-prime and his sword doesn't breach the armor.

I have no idea what you were talking about. Maybe you didn't read the comics. Either of them.

Sirius just owned someone.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
^What?

Avenger's stomp. This isn't comics where the moment someone faces more than 4 opponents, the cannon fodder rule goes into play.
What? No way man, Prime does. I see where you're coming from, but it's not so much a rule as it is his nature and the way that he uses his power set.
Iron Man (fist through chest), Captain America (grabs the shield and prolly pulls a void what if), Hawkeye (heat vision), Giant Man (gets frozen), The Wasp (swatted after she gets close enough), Wolverine (heat vision, then eventually bfr), Spiderman (head gets punched off), Spiderwoman (same), Quicksilver (head gets punched off) and Noh-Varr (prolly heat vision) get stomped at the beginning of the fight.

This fight will not be against the above.

Thor, Hulk, classic Hercules and Ares are the only threats on the team. Ares being considered a threat only because he's not fodder, but is in no way on Thor or classic Hercules' level.

Hulk will be too slow, so he'll probably be a non-factor in the final four and I already discussed Ares. I see Herc going down before Thor though. Prime is by nature a team wrecker.
Do you see where I'm coming from?

Originally posted by Sirius77
Fine. I will.

All showings with Superboy-prime and Zauriel.

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/tofastforgl.jpg
"Your swords magic. But magic doesn't hurt me. Go back to your creator angel."

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/10/25/1539595/primvs3.jpg
Zauriel's only other showing with Superboy-prime and his sword doesn't breach the armor.

I have no idea what you were talking about. Maybe you didn't read the comics. Either of them. You missed the scan from his tie in. I read it I assure you. You purposely didn't post it. We both know it exists and keep pressing me and I will post it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You missed the scan from his tie in. I read it I assure you. You purposely didn't post it. We both know it exists and keep pressing me and I will post it.

Nobody likes a tease.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You missed the scan from his tie in. I read it I assure you. You purposely didn't post it. We both know it exists and keep pressing me and I will post it.


I'm pressing now.

Post it.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Nobody likes a tease. I do. Originally posted by Sirius77
I'm pressing now.

Post it. Must I put my infinite crisis disk in to shut you up.

Edit. Not even on my infinite crisis disk let me check my hard drive.

Yes.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Yes. That Hurts.


http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/pic028.jpg

Originally posted by quanchi112
I do. Must I put my infinite crisis disk in to shut you up.

Edit. Not even on my infinite crisis disk let me check my hard drive.

You know, you use the same argument every time. You deny something we ask for feats, you refuse to post them.

Go back and read Prime vs Black Adam. Adam's magic punches were only tickling Prime.

So where is the sword here?

Originally posted by SquallX
You know, you use the same argument every time. You deny something we ask for feats, you refuse to post them.

Go back and read Prime vs Black Adam. Adam's magic punches were only tickling Prime. I just posted it, bucko. I don't always post every little thing on kmc though.

Originally posted by Sirius77
So where is the sword here? When did I ever say sword ? When ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I do. Must I put my infinite crisis disk in to shut you up.

Edit. Not even on my infinite crisis disk let me check my hard drive.

i knew there was a reason i didn't like you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That Hurts.


http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/pic028.jpg

and that's supposed to prove what?

Originally posted by -Pr-
i knew there was a reason i didn't like you.



and that's supposed to prove what? It's because I am your big brother.

That magic can affect him.

What did anything in that scan have to do with magic, though?

Originally posted by quanchi112
That Hurts.


http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/pic028.jpg

I don't see any magic been used against him.

Once more Prime vs Black Adam. Adam's magical punches only tickled Prime.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's because I am your big brother.

That magic can affect him.

while i actually believe magic works on Prime, that is not an example of magic hurting him. It's a punch.

Originally posted by Mindset
What did anything in that scan have to do with magic, though? His punches.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When did I ever say sword ? When ?

I think in another thread or something.

Either way, how do you know it's not powergirl's punch to the chest or MM grip around his jugular, or the fact that he fighting at night while weakened without his armor and was previously exposed to red solar radiation? So you think it's just Zauriels punch?

Originally posted by SquallX
I don't see any magic been used against him.

Once more Prime vs Black Adam. Adam's magical punches only tickled Prime. In that instance he did laugh off his attacks but that's just because he's highly resistant to these attacks.

Originally posted by -Pr-
while i actually believe magic works on Prime, that is not an example of magic hurting him. It's a punch. His armor magically enhances his strength.
Angelic Armor: First, there is is his suit of armor. Although built of Earthly materials, this prototype is designed by the engineers of Heaven and is blessed with magical properties that are theoretically impossible to replicate on Earth. This suit of armor greatly enhances Zauriel's physical properties, including strength, durability, foot speed, agility, flight speed and stamina. Because of the Heavenly properties of the armor, it can be assumed that no other being could don it, let alone make use of its abilities.

Originally posted by quanchi112
His punches. His punches aren't magic.

Originally posted by Sirius77
I think in another thread or something.

Either way, how do you know it's not powergirl's punch to the chest or MM grip around his jugular, or the fact that he fighting at night while weakened without his armor and was previously exposed to red solar radiation? So you think it's just Zauriels punch? I never once used that word you did. Get your facts straight you then saidi I didn't read it all the while overlooking this.

His punch clearly affected him either way so who cares the art makes it clear.

Originally posted by Mindset
His punches aren't magic. His strength is magically enhanced which includes his fists, sport.

Originally posted by quanchi112
In that instance he did laugh off his attacks but that's just because he's highly resistant to these attacks.

His armor magically enhances his strength.
Angelic Armor: First, there is is his suit of armor. Although built of Earthly materials, this prototype is designed by the engineers of Heaven and is blessed with magical properties that are theoretically impossible to replicate on Earth. This suit of armor greatly enhances Zauriel's physical properties, including strength, durability, foot speed, agility, flight speed and stamina. Because of the Heavenly properties of the armor, it can be assumed that no other being could don it, let alone make use of its abilities.

a. i know how his powers work.
b. it makes him stronger. it doesn't say there's magic in every punch. that's like saying superman brings you sunshine every time he knocks your teeth out.

it's not proof. find something else.

Originally posted by quanchi112
His strength is magically enhanced which includes his fists, sport. So his fist is magic because his strength is magically enhanced?

SBP butt rapes this team.

Originally posted by -Pr-
a. i know how his powers work.
b. it makes him stronger. it doesn't say there's magic in every punch. that's like saying superman brings you sunshine every time he knocks your teeth out.

it's not proof. find something else. His strength is magically enhanced it states it plain as day. If he is immune to all forms of magic then logically his punches would have no effect but since they do he isn't completely immune.

Originally posted by Mindset
So his fist is magic because his strength is magically enhanced? If something boosts my strength does that mean when I use my strength through a punch it doesn't amp it ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
His strength is magically enhanced it states it plain as day. If he is immune to all forms of magic then logically his punches would have no effect but since they do he isn't completely immune. How strong is he before his strength is enhanced?

Originally posted by quanchi112
His strength is magically enhanced it states it plain as day. If he is immune to all forms of magic then logically his punches would have no effect but since they do he isn't completely immune.

i'm not saying he's immune to magic.

i'm saying that scan you posted isn't an example of magic hurting him. your logic is flawed.

there's no discussion. find something else.

Lol you guys done making Quan look foolish as if thats hard. A weakened Prime getting pumched oh noes magic almost koed him lol

Originally posted by quanchi112
If something boosts my strength does that mean when I use my strength through a punch it doesn't amp it ? So your fist is enhanced?

Originally posted by -Pr-
i'm not saying he's immune to magic.

i'm saying that scan you posted isn't an example of magic hurting him. your logic is flawed.

there's no discussion. find something else. I already proved my point. Originally posted by Mindset
How strong is he before his strength is enhanced? Strength level
On the order of 20 times more than the human norm. Which is about 10-15 tons.

smh...

Originally posted by quanchi112
I already proved my point. Strength level
On the order of 20 times more than the human norm. Which is about 10-15 tons. Where are you getting that from?

Originally posted by iceman24567
Lol you guys done making Quan look foolish as if thats hard. A weakened Prime getting pumched oh noes magic almost koed him lol The guy who has me on ignore yet always finds a way to talk about me. LOL.

Originally posted by Mindset
So your fist is enhanced? Your strength is. Do you not know what strength means ?

Originally posted by Mindset
Where are you getting that from? Dc database.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The guy who has me on ignore yet always finds a way to talk about me. LOL.

Your strength is. Do you not know what strength means ? You said his fist was enhanced.

Originally posted by Mindset
You said his fist was enhanced.

There's a joke in there somewhere.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Dc database. What do the comics show?

Originally posted by Mindset
You said his fist was enhanced. When your strength is enhanced and you are punching someone you are using your punching power which has to do with strength. Are you ok ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never once used that word you did. Get your facts straight you then saidi I didn't read it all the while overlooking this.

His punch clearly affected him either way so who cares the art makes it clear.

Oh. Cool. I guess I just assumed because thats the only time that Zauriel actively did anything to Superboy-prime worth talking about. Other than telling everyone his weakness.

It wrinkled his face, but look at everyone else that was there. I'm just saying, look at the big picture and take into context what was happening in the story. The weakening and stuff.

Also punches aren't magic. Black Adam's apparently were, but only because there was explicitly magical lightning, from a literal wizard.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When your strength is enhanced and you are punching someone you are using your punching power which has to do with strength. Are you ok ? What does that have to do with his fist being enhanced?

Does it get bigger or something?

Originally posted by Mindset
What do the comics show? You tell me if you disagree. Tell me a strength feat minus the armor over 15 tons.Originally posted by Sirius77
Oh. Cool. I guess I just assumed because thats the only time that Zauriel actively did anything to Superboy-prime worth talking about. Other than telling everyone his weakness.

It wrinkled his face, but look at everyone else that was there. I'm just saying, look at the big picture and take into context what was happening in the story. The weakening and stuff.

Also punches aren't magic. Black Adam's apparently were, but only because there was explicitly magical lightning, from a literal wizard. You can ignore his armor magically amping his strength all you want. I did what you said didn't exist. You kept chirping about a sword.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You tell me if you disagree. Tell me a strength feat minus the armor over 15 tons. You can ignore his armor magically amping his strength all you want. I did what you said didn't exist. You kept chirping about a sword. So you don't know what the comics show?

Originally posted by Mindset
What does that have to do with his fist being enhanced?

Does it get bigger or something? His strength is enhanced.

Originally posted by -Pr-
There's a joke in there somewhere. You dirty boy anal isnt enough for you fisting has to be added into the equation

Originally posted by quanchi112
His strength is enhanced. What about his fist though, that's what we're talking about.

How is his fist enhanced?

Originally posted by Mindset
So you don't know what the comics show? If you have a case make it mindset. You never really do make a case so I know even if I am wrong you won't show me up.

Originally posted by Mindset
What about his fist though, that's what we're talking about.

How is his fist enhanced? It amps his strength.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If you have a case make it mindset. You never really do make a case so I know even if I am wrong you won't show me up. Ok, so you don't know.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It amps his strength. What about his fist?

Originally posted by Mindset
Ok, so you don't know.

What about his fist? I know you don't know. That I know for a fact. Go ahead though prove me wrong though we both know you can't.

If you don't understand what strength means and how it applies to your fist I can't help you

Originally posted by quanchi112
Dc database.

Like as in the wikipedia based one? Did it say he soaks his fists in magic before battle? I mean it could...

I'm going to get a membership and say that he soaks his fists in magic. Not really. That would be dumb. If I wanted to, it would be that simple. Read some JLA. Vol. 3, it'll tell you what you need to know about Zauriel. You might like it. A lot of interesting stuff.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I know you don't know. That I know for a fact. Go ahead though prove me wrong though we both know you can't.

If you don't understand what strength means and how it applies to your fist I can't help you I don't need to prove you wrong, I was asking if you knew some information from the comics, apparently, you don't.

So his fist does get bigger?

Originally posted by Sirius77
Like as in the wikipedia based one? Did it say he soaks his fists in magic before battle? I mean it could...

I'm going to get a membership and say that he soaks his fists in magic. Not really. That would be dumb. If I wanted to, it would be that simple. Read some JLA. Vol. 3, it'll tell you what you need to know about Zauriel. You might like it. A lot of interesting stuff. I'd read about zauriel before some jla stuff and paradise lost. I liked asmodel I didn't think zauriel was cool at all.

Originally posted by Mindset
I don't need to prove you wrong, I was asking if you knew some information from the comics, apparently, you don't.

So his fist does get bigger? I agree with the dc database when they say without the armor he's still superhuman but nowhere near as strong without his gear.
Nope.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I'd read about zauriel before some jla stuff and paradise lost. I liked asmodel I didn't think zauriel was cool at all.

I agree with the dc database when they say without the armor he's still superhuman but nowhere near as strong without his gear.
Nope. Cool, what do the comics show, though?

Originally posted by Mindset
I don't need to prove you wrong, I was asking if you knew some information from the comics, apparently, you don't.

So his fist does get bigger?

Originally posted by Mindset
Cool, what do the comics show, though? Most have his gear on. I believe they back up dc database.

Originally posted by quanchi112
His punches.

Zauriel is DIVINE, not magic.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Zauriel is DIVINE, not magic. Divine is generally associated with Magic as are most pantheons... Also SBP has tanked shots from Mordru and Black Adam I believe

Originally posted by Uriel005
Divine is generally associated with Magic as are most pantheons... Also SBP has tanked shots from Mordru and Black Bolt with a smile so yeah.

Zauriel has some magical properties/elements, but he even said that most of his power is the form of angelic/divine hood. This was shown in DC comics presents.

I meant Black Adams magic
http://media.photobucket.com/image/superboy%20prime%20black%20adam/truestrength/black%20adam/908357-superman_prime_vs_black_adam.jpg

Prime took that like a champ.

I can see some people may be getting a warning or two if they keep going on...

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Zauriel is DIVINE, not magic. I already posted my proof just let it go.

I feel the team is just too much and due to Thor's power they get the nod.

Yo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Most have his gear on. I believe they back up dc database.

have we ever seen him fight w/o his gear, so we'd have some way to compare his performance?




Tazer

Anyways magic is a non issue and Thor isn't physically stronger than even an Earth-2 Superman so no way is he taking SBP w/out a hammer throw to the head.

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.



have we ever seen him fight w/o his gear, so we'd have some way to compare his performance?




Tazer You have no proof it's incorrect so drop it.

Originally posted by Trackz
hercules gets one shotted, and i actually think prime could kill hulk

Prime has,a better chance of Killing Hercules than Hulk. And is this current super hulk, cuz the way he is being written he would give Prime a fight on his own.

Prime stops.

Vision's intangibility would prolly ensure hes teh last standing. When Prime gets bored, upset of not being able to hit him, Prime nukes the planet

Typical Quan, trying to low ball Prime. Such a one sided thread.

The Divine in comics doesn't equal magic.


The Divine in comics doesn't equal the Greek, Norse or Roman pantheons.


Closing before people get warned.

Some of you only debate by lowballing those characters you think will lose. We don't get to cherry pick the lowest of low feats while ignoring mainstream feats. This gets to the point where it's trolling. Debating is knowing both sides and pointing out the strength of your opinion while showing the weakness of the opposing opinion.

Some people also seem to make claims which they can't support then challenge all those who disagree to prove otherwise. This is also trolling.

We also don't get to claim that one sort of power = another sort of power, in that they're the same. Cosmic, magic and divine powers may do some of the same things, but are all different in source.

If there are 1 or 2 people who's opinion(s) are contrary to what's shown on panel and to the opinion of the vast majority of posters, then those few should consider proving their opinion(s) with concrete facts or graciously concede the point and move on.

Basically sitting there and saying "Nuh uh, prove me wrong." is trolling. And especially careless when there's a mod involved who knows the characters.

There have been too many complaints since November of this fanboy influenced bias. Pr and I will do what's needed to remedy that sort of behavior.

I hope some of you pay attention and heed what was posted above.