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I don't know where else to put this, it seems like a sci fi topic.

I came up with a theory to how an indestructible material would have to work, and want to know what you people think.

Pretty much I thought of 2 major requirements for this to work.
1. It couldn't be made up of atoms, or quarts or anything smaller than the actual material, because if there are "moving" parts, those parts could move and so it could break, bend, ware, and so on.
2. It would have to be in a constant state of absolute zero, if it could be heated, then it could be bent....etc. Also, the absolute zero kinda results from the first rule, because if there aren't any atoms or anything to excite, how would it heat up.

That is what I think, what do you think?

It would be made from women's beliefs that they are always right.

Completely indestructible.

Ba-zing.

Originally posted by menokokoro

That is what I think, what do you think?

If it's not made of of atoms, then what?

Originally posted by jaden101
It would be made from women's beliefs that they are always right.

Completely indestructible.

Originally posted by dadudemon



Honestly, Jaden could do a better job at explaining these things as he knows waaaaaaay more about this stuff than I do.

Nah...I've ravaged my brain with drink and drugs since graduating and being made redundant from my research job...I now work back in retail and look to be stuff their until after the recession.

Doesn't help that my main area of study was forensic focussed and the current UK government has seen fit to scrap the Forensic Science Service which is THE main employer in that field.

1500 forensic scientists on the scrap heap....Thatcher's Britain.

Anyway....Back to the subject.

I'm sorry, I may be thick here, but who does all that crime scene work if they have scrapped Forensic Science Service...

Originally posted by MildPossession
I'm sorry, I may be thick here, but who does all that crime scene work if they have scrapped Forensic Science Service...

Scenes of Crime Officers only collect the evidence. They don't do the "science" bit. They generally are employed by the police forces directly in civilian roles. It's the lab scientists that are taking the brunt of the cuts.

There will no doubt be a string of small private companies start popping up all over the country that will bid, perhaps even on an individual case by case basis. Loads will start up...Loads will collapse within the 1st year...Some will succeed and take over other forensic companies and eventually things will stabilize into a fully privatised sector that works by contracts and sub-contracts.

The problem is that the FSS conducts the vast majority of research into new forensic techniques and there will be virtually no funding available for that....Meaning that we will be stuck at the current limits of forensic science that there is now for years to come.

Originally posted by jaden101
Scenes of Crime Officers only collect the evidence. They don't do the "science" bit. They generally are employed by the police forces directly in civilian roles. It's the lab scientists that are taking the brunt of the cuts.

There will no doubt be a string of small private companies start popping up all over the country that will bid, perhaps even on an individual case by case basis. Loads will start up...Loads will collapse within the 1st year...Some will succeed and take over other forensic companies and eventually things will stabilize into a fully privatised sector that works by contracts and sub-contracts.

The problem is that the FSS conducts the vast majority of research into new forensic techniques and there will be virtually no funding available for that....Meaning that we will be stuck at the current limits of forensic science that there is now for years to come.

There's always the work of the American and Japanese forensic specailists which seem to always be driving the standards and research.

http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/search/detailmini.jsp?_nfpb=true&_&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=ED125028&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=no&accno=ED125028

My degree is Information System Assurance and Forensics, so I'm not too far away from your area: I'm just waaaaaay less focused on chemical testing in a lab, like you are. IMO, chemists and astro/quantumphysicists are much more suited for "absolute-zero" discussions than most.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I believe what you propose is impossible with current materials and understanding of thermodynamics. Oh, yeah, I didn't mean that it would be possible, neither of those things are. Having material not made of smaller particles just being pure matter (which my friend pointed out to me, is pretty much just a black hole), and absolute zero.

I was just thinking of if it were to exist, what would be required for it to exist

edit: oh yeah, just read the rest of your post.

I was a little unclear, I meant that both of those are required for it to be indestructible. Being made from solid matter, AND the perpetual absolute zero (which is impossible, which you pointed out). But if the object was not made of atoms, or any smaller particles, wouldn't the object be in a constant state of absolute zero (theoretically, since it is not possible, with our current knowledge anyway), since there would be no particles to excite, thus nothing to heat up?

Originally posted by menokokoro
Oh, yeah, I didn't mean that it would be possible, neither of those things are. Having material not made of smaller particles just being pure matter (which my friend pointed out to me, is pretty much just a black hole), and absolute zero.

I was just thinking of if it were to exist, what would be required for it to exist

edit: oh yeah, just read the rest of your post.

I was a little unclear, I meant that both of those are required for it to be indestructible. Being made from solid matter, AND the perpetual absolute zero (which is impossible, which you pointed out). But if the object was not made of atoms, or any smaller particles, wouldn't the object be in a constant state of absolute zero (theoretically, since it is not possible, with our current knowledge anyway), since there would be no particles to excite, thus nothing to heat up?

The most fundemental form of matter are quarks.

Not-matter is either photons or antiparticles.

So the answer to you question is no.

Originally posted by dadudemon
The most fundemental form of matter are quarks.

Not-matter is either photons or antiparticles.

So the answer to you question is no. The most fundamental form of matter that we know of, are quarks.

And I know it does not exist, I know it is impossible, the point I'm trying to make is that IF it were possible, this is how I think it would have to be.

Originally posted by menokokoro
The most fundamental form of matter that we know of, are quarks.

And I know it does not exist, I know it is impossible, the point I'm trying to make is that IF it were possible, this is how I think it would have to be.

Theorizing on something that does not exist by inventing something fictional?

If that's your question, then, sure. You could invent anything you wanted and pretend it has x and y properties. The limit would only be your imagination.

.....ok, whatever.