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it could help to understand something that is quiet possible based on the available facts and overwhelming logical calculations from these "truths" including upto date life storys, previous prohesy saints and the King james bible.

1. "true life exsperiances of. to hell and back." there are thousands, some nobodys self posted on youtube, including suicide, farmers itaily,some x witchcraft operators who can tell you they know demons and demonic satanic creators that only want death afiricans, upper class, well learned aclaimed atheisist americans, russian leading scientist, doctors and patients........common factors of all. the exsact same jesus is met. same light, same sense of warmth and the same understanding of forgivness.regardless of language they all met the same jesus. hell is exsperianced differantly but emotionaly the exsact same, could be due to the indivuals sin and the cost of torment they would be exsperianceing is on a personnal level also.

demons commanded in the name of jesus. all interferance with supernatural beings, demons, ghost all, respond to the name of christ, they either leave or are fully controlled by the user of the name of jesus. demons or spiritual beings, fear his name. in this case i believe all spiritual beings that fear the name of jesus are demons.

2. the bible. past present day life ( even right now) and futer. the bible is history, we know king david and moses and abraham exsisted, because of notabily, they found the ark with mosses anchors and there crosses etched on into it. family members and all. we know king david exsisted but jesus was the end of that line. forget the royal family, they are israel true blood line but they are a satanic one. forget the past, and forget the ability to use the knowledge and wisdom for you present life, start thinking about the future prohesys. 25% of bible is made of prohesy, the spirt of chirst is prohesy. it details the exsact operation and why THE NEW WORLD ORDER IS IN PLACE and what they will do, how long they will be and how abruptly they will end. no deny the book of revaltions if studyied. no way man could ever see that far into the future.

3. every conspiracy is connected to this end of time straight out of the bible. , for the reason why is because it must be in order for it all to be true, the reason is the souls of man, to control and to rule them and be like the most high is satans highest of prioritys.

4. the pagean sun worship is the worship of satan and his fallen angels, they run an apsolute mockery of god, trying to decieve all and distract them from the truth, they washed over all pagean rituals to help people become unawares of the true meaning of the day and ultimatly undermine god as best they can, they follow gods clock set in heavens, the stars and the sun.

5. nothing pre dates christ. all the eygptian pryamids, mayan temples, are sunworship, satan cults. before noah these were the fallen angels who gave knowledge of forbin proportions to man, and lead them far from god.

6. the catholic pope is apart of the anitchrist system and as further to underminng of god, by killing his children, jesus christ believeing christians. founded on the illuminati and there agenda to manipulate or even decieve the elect few ( christ believers ) if they can. they have decieved the world into thinking that is the true bible and that they are the representatives of christianity. when they are the hidden synagoge of satan.

7. there are only two relgions in this world. either jesus christ is god and so there is only one god of our lives or that we are our gods. that includes buhdha allah, every single one outside of christ and christ being the son of god and the word of god in flesh. jesus is 100% man and 100% god, jesus is the word of god in flesh exactly.

8. the exsperiance of meeting jesus when you truely repent of your sins. this is not a decision in most casses, your either sorry or your not, get to a church allow the word of god to convict you of your sins so that you can be sorry and actually truthfully as christ into your life. ask the millions of christians if they know jesus personnaly. and the ones who are true do. they exsperiance the wieght of sin lifting of there being and alot cry for hours of the relief they never knew how much they carried with them. you can not exsplain that personnel relationship with christ that grows or compare it to any other relgion. because astro travel is constricted, and scary and there is nothing to learn or gain from it by doing it. it emptu dangerous travel of the mind.

9. the pope and the 5 fallen kings, one is, the next will serve a short time and after that he is the satan. funny how since the pope was reinstated as state hood they have had officaily five kings died (five popes die) the one before name in latin was "one is" and the one now is the oldest one marked at 87 when he began. prohesy a powerful tool for quieting scientis, evolutionist and atheisist.

10. sun worship is satan worship, all relgions were founded on the same principle and all push for the enlightened mesiah to come, the king james bible, the word of god tells us there is one way, the truth and the light. the light is referance to the life that christ is, the darkness is the death of sin, herald and all those pagean sumerian gods are copy cats and have decieved many. the bible is made from over 5000 maniscripts from around the world, as what is known of ceasor is only 3 books backing it. also once the dead sea scrolls were discoverd they confirmed the kingjames bible to be correct. every bible after that is waterdown by satan and reproduced by people who are guilty of blashmy of jesus. the NKJB has the witchcraft trinity of satan on it.

11. why is that witchcraft works, and they openly talk and use satan as a means to provoke spitits. .. deano you right, but youve got it back to front.

also the conspiracys is the fact they are called conspiracys, they are related in each other and all prove the same thing. god is real, jesus and the bible KJ bible that is are true and that satan is about to do exsactly what he plans, and what is written including using his thrones, ( UFO space craft) which is talked about in eziekiel the stone wheels that moved in the sky with shining lights, OR as he would call them burning eyes. satan want to be called god. that why illuminati welcome all relgions except those who believe in christ as the son of god, because anything outside of that is satan and what his agenda is all about.

just because some people say they have been to hell and back, doesnt make it so. there is no heaven and hell in the way you think.




how do you know this? you cant go on what other people claim. why would entitys fear a NAME? the name is not important. if jesus existed, then it is his teachings that matter. i believe that the elite worship these entitys and that they are merely other beings in other dimensions. call them demons or reptillians it makes no difference to them.



well thats all part of your belief system. i choose not to dedicate my life to a book



thats your opinion.



sun worship does actually what it says on the tin. its nothing to do with satan. the ancients naturally worshipped the sun because of the light and warmth it gave.

think about it for a second. humans have the ability to think and reason, they would of wonderered where they had come from. and they notice the sun in the sky brings light and warmth. so it is obvious it would of been worshipped in those times.



sounds like extraterrestrials to me. you cant just go around saying this is what happened and so and so blah blah blah. you dont know what happened. you can only speculate.




i agree the pope is nothing to do with god, they are satanists the most of them.

i just dont think god needs a bible. the truth is already inside you and anyone can get to god. all the bible does, and religion in general is divide everyone, and 'satan' loves that




i think you misinterpret jesus. he probably did exist but not in the ways you think he did. please have a listen to the link below for a good understanding of what im trying to say. parts 1 to 10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwJP24MzCD0



again this is all religious bullshit. forget the church. its just a building and is hijacked by 'satan'. satan is a conciousness, not a being.

i agree astral travel is pointless if of course it can be done.




this is all hoopla. all rubbish



again, all speculation based on a rigid belief system. i really wouldn't worry too much about this



well i have no proff witchcraft works

Satan is a consciousness. you could tap into these other realms using this energy if you knew what you was doing maybe. i wouldn't recommend it.

I agree with you on pretty much everything.

I believe Jesus is the only way. I believe he is the Saviour.

I also believe that the NWO is firmly rooted in Biblical prophecy.

deano, im starting to feel like perhaps your apart of the illuminati, because i know you dont have christ in you and so even with all the evidence that im sure youve seen, including all the conspiracys (which are all apart of the NWO plan and the beheading of those who do not want to be apart of it ) you still continue to deny. is it because youu believe in the same lies that satan first tricked eve and adam into? the open your EYE, the third eye and you can be like gods also, the become in enlightened and you too can assend like the most high? its been 2000 years already, how much longer do you think jesus means by the kingdom is nigh. that christ will come back soon. ? how much sooner do you think its gunna get.

"how do you know this? you cant go on what other people claim. why would entitys fear a NAME? the name is not important. if jesus existed, then it is his teachings that matter. i believe that the elite worship these entitys and that they are merely other beings in other dimensions. call them demons or reptillians it makes no difference to them."

im not going off what people claim, personnaly exsperianced it myself, ive also watched it. ive had mates fully healed, and a close friend in the name of jesus christ be healed completely from cancer after demanding another test, a third one because she knew jesus had healed her. because jesus is the name of names and the king of kings, he is i am i am, and so the bible teaches that the power is in his name, that all the forces of satan tremble even at his name and fear him, for he is god and gods word and through him all exsists, and all it accountable to him. these demons, would have nothing better than have you think they reptillians or aliens, anything that leads you away from jesus. i have watched, i have studied and seen irrifutable evidence of actual seenarios that people are healed only in the name of, or when they believe in jesus and call out on his name there faith and his name does it all. but if you dont have faith then beware the bible has example of those who didnt know jesus thought they would use his name on some demons but the demons beat them up cuts and all.

"well thats all part of your belief system. i choose not to dedicate my life to a book"

i respect that. but id like to share with you. no converting no attempt. but i wish to use your example to show.... you choose not to dedicate your life to a book? this book for entertainment sakes on your behalf, represents the words of god, every sentance every book in there, completely the word of god. in this book contains life, and has the power to give it. in this book is wisdom of the heavenly treasures and anyone who can study it and believe in it are promised wealth in health, and spirtual and physical, follow christ and all the extras will be added unto you, even tho if your following christ your not realy concerned with those extras. the bible is life, literally. knowledge that adds to you, understanding it helps you draw from a deep well ( jesus ) who is life. he is the light that is life, that is truth, that is love, that is peace, that is fulfilment, that is our purpose. with out it, you will spend your entire physical life circling looking, searching for the very things that are with in the pages of this bible, and revealed to only those who come to repentace.

what you were saying is that you choose not to dedicate yourself to this book, but i say you choose to dedicate yourself to yourself. if not the bible and its life. hense christains are refered to as children of god, a tree that bears fruit, because life grows, and the bible grows you as you learn from it. everything else outside of it leads to yourself, not god and life. yourself dies if you follow this book, you have jesus christ to call on and you live, eternally forever.

"thats your opinion."

yes but you have to ask why? you can agree on my opinion it doesnt get you anywhere to understanding me, it just a refutal in the simple form of respectful social communication. you saying im wrong, because it is only my opinion, forget about who reading what your saying, your actually saying that, thats my opinion, but its true. you see the monment a relgion removes or rejects christ or what he did then they reject the holy spirit, and so now jesus, god are nowhere in that relgion and satan fills the gap and loves being called god, and aslong as they continue to reject or forget, or simply not believe that christ is the one way, the true one god, the saviour then he will employ his demon thoughts onto those who follow now him.

sun worship does actually what it says on the tin. its nothing to do with satan. the ancients naturally worshipped the sun because of the light and warmth it gave.

think about it for a second. humans have the ability to think and reason, they would of wonderered where they had come from. and they notice the sun in the sky brings light and warmth. so it is obvious it would of been worshipped in those times.

yes they do on that note, think about it. you have a vessle that allows you to think as much as you like, there is no limit, you have hands and feet that allow you to converse this atmosphere completly, you havea brain that allows you to use the earth to get anywhere you want, you can reason you have free will. and your the only creature here on earth in this galaxys that has that abilitiy. design? you bet your bottom dollar mate.

well before the flood, before noah was the exsistance of the the fallen angels reign. they were the gods of the earth, they taught advanced astrology and advanced weapons, and taugh all the crafts of evil to man, to females. they also had giant sons, men of renown, and waged war against each other. the angels, the fallen angels, are under one banner, the lucifer. the evil one, the father of lies, the all knowing, the all seeing eye of RAH ( his right eye ) also being the representation of the third eye that is the enlightnement. and the fact mesiah who will be here next year is him, the father of lies. THE buhda, the mecca, the mohummid, the ALLAH, the mormons god, the jehovas god, is the same being. lucifer. and they use gods calender, not the fake one created to desensatize humans to the importance of everyday that they are alive but god wrote the bible in the stars and in the stars or the heavens is god real time clock. they use it because they know, there is a time, a season and cycle for eveything under the sun. god has set in stone these times, mathimatically and perciecly. everything in its order. the sun is the key too satans rise and fall. and he knows it all, he even knows he going to burn for all eternity, but he going to begot as many of his followers as he can. evil begots evil

"sounds like extraterrestrials to me. you cant just go around saying this is what happened and so and so blah blah blah. you dont know what happened. you can only speculate."

using samerian artifacts, and the findings of that clock that uses the heavens, and it complexty 1000 times more advanced than our clocks even possible. we learn that there were beings, we know from witch craft orgins and there traditions that these females were the partners of these fallen angels. they take any shape they want and in the book of eziekiel they take the shape of large stone wheels that have another wheel inside them spining in the other direction, that they move but with out turning to face the direction and that they are massive, magnificent, fearfuly big. bill coope seen the same things, and through his research he found out they they were infact fallen angels. im using the book of enoch to fill me in on the gaps, and the time before noah, enoch was in genisis and was infasct taken up to heaven before dying. god just took him up. reasons are indeepth youd have to learn about enoch. we also know that you cant have the enemy side and not have what they stand against not be there.

you have withcraft, freemasons, skull and bones, all practising with craft against jesus christ. but wait if your right then they do it all in vien because they fighting noone? witchcraft doctors and x witchcraft doctors will tell you they are demons, they fear jesus and they fear christians and hate them too. why because there is a jesus and because there are real demons. the greatist lie satan ever pulled was convincing the world he didnt exsist.

"again this is all religious bullshit. forget the church. its just a building and is hijacked by 'satan'. satan is a conciousness, not a being.

i agree astral travel is pointless if of course it can be done. "

ok friend here you go again. you telling me somthing you can proove. you cant proove its bullshit. you cant proove he is a conciousness, yet in the world you can see him, you can hear about him, you can see possesions of him, he is there. your apart of the sciencetolgy crew, and yes you gunna trick alot of people, but your belief is theres the conciuous enlightenment.. im telling you friend you better go look at the other side of the coin of jesus christ and realy start opening your eye to the Possibilitys of you being wrong.... because this is the only belief system that when you die to find out, if you get it wrong your guna regret it. every other relgions allows you to be your own god, cos in the end if im wrong i got nothing to loose. but you do.

i reali starting to think your apart of this whole distraction of truth. ive read other post on these forums and i think ive talked to you before actually. on youtube. i dont know if this is against the rules of these chat sites but here have a look at this list i created, get yourself a bible, read from mathew to revaltions completly, give yourself a chance, and get the information in your head so atleast you will understand what it is these chrsitians of jesus, not the pope. are talking about.

id like to add also

prince and chem trails
the brainwashed spys children in america trials ( prooves the repratition tatic of the mind and control.)

all you posted is pure religious drivel.

you say im part of the disinfo when you are spouting religious bullshit that has forever been disinformation and caused more pain and misery for god knows how long

you can chase jesus and the devil around all you want. but i choose not to believe your religious fear mongering.

i live my live with peace in mind, i believe myself to be a kind person and i don't have a malicious bone in my body. but if GOD wants to send me for hell for not following a man (who probably never existed) called Jesus Christ , then he isn't a god i want to know

me for one does not believe GOD is that insecure.

ive read the bible and i dont need someone telling me what is what. and neither should you

the answer has always been inside of you. you dont need a friggin book

what like you didnt need the feather to fly...lol..sorry drinkin again...LMAO

jesus is a myth just like any nursery rhyme
he was based on previous egyptian myths all relating to the sun and astronomy

Originally posted by GRIMNIR
jesus is a myth just like any nursery rhyme
he was based on previous egyptian myths all relating to the sun and astronomy

I HATE when people say this.

Let's see some proof?

"He was born on December 25, just like the other pagan gods."

NO.

1) Jesus was not born 12/25. TBH, the early church didn't even celebrate a specific date of Christ's birth. It wasn't until the late 300s/early 400s A.D., that December 25 was proclaimed Christ's birthday by the Roman Catholic Church, which, contrary to what Zeitgeist wants you to believe, doesn't make up the whole of Christianity. The Pope isn't even really Christian, tbh, he's more like a tyrant on a throne in Rome.

December 25 is a purely pagan holiday called Saturnalia, which was passed down to Roman tradition from Babylon. Plus, in Palestine it would have been much too cold for shepherds to be tending their flocks outside, like they are told to have been doing in the Bible.

"The Bible is based on astrology."

NO.

2) How on earth could The Bible be based on astrology when in the Bible itself it CONDEMNS astrology?

"There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch. Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee."
Deuteronomy 18:10-12

Any attempt to link Jesus with pagan deities is grasping at straws. Silly little English word games like Horus' mother being called Isis-Meri (to try to link her to Mary, Jesus' mother, even though there is no evidence in any encyclopedia or Egyptian history that she was called such, outside of "Jesus Myth" sites) won't work, either.

Zeitgeist has some truth to it, but the greatest lies are half-truths.

Zeitgeist is too angled to be a viable source against religion

more trustworthy than the bible innit

Originally posted by Deano
more trustworthy than the bible innit

You'd rather trust a movie that advocates "our" New World Order like it's some big freakin' difference from "their" New World Order.

News flash: It's still a world government. It's still the UN and it's still microchips! Only "our" New World Order has some fake, phony New Age Maitreya savior baloney to keep everyone happy.

Zeitgeist is just recycled New Age.

http://www.feelingmovies.sk/wp-content/uploads/zeitgeist-addendum-eye-sun-in-triangle-hands-300x219.jpg
Zeitgeist Addendum

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_GQtuh1Q_luQ/SQP9VHzRquI/AAAAAAAADf0/f_XIblboM6I/s400/Zeitgeist+Add+Eye.jpg
Zeitgeist

And one more thing: Peter Joseph, as you all know, produced the Zeitgeist films.


Alan Feuer, New York Times March 16, 2009


Peter Joseph, Zeitgeist Addendum

There's more, but I don't have time to post anymore now.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
You'd rather trust a movie that advocates "our" New World Order like it's some big freakin' difference from "their" New World Order.

News flash: It's still a world government. It's still the UN and it's still microchips! Only "our" New World Order has some fake, phony New Age Maitreya savior baloney to keep everyone happy.

Zeitgeist is just recycled New Age.

http://www.feelingmovies.sk/wp-content/uploads/zeitgeist-addendum-eye-sun-in-triangle-hands-300x219.jpg
Zeitgeist Addendum

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_GQtuh1Q_luQ/SQP9VHzRquI/AAAAAAAADf0/f_XIblboM6I/s400/Zeitgeist+Add+Eye.jpg
Zeitgeist

nah its completely different. zeitgeist does not promote microchips.

theres nothing wrong with a new world order if its done with good intentions and does not not impede upon your freedoms.

Originally posted by Deano
nah its completely different. zeitgeist does not promote microchips.

theres nothing wrong with a new world order if its done with good intentions and does not not impede upon your freedoms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgCpnBFWuh8&feature=related
8:55-10:09

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z9l3YYY6OI&feature=related
0:00-5:00 (but you can continue on, because he mentions Lucis Trust, which not only influenced Zeitgeist and such, but is also affiliated with the UN)

Deano, you need to realize something: There is no difference between what the Zeitgeist Movement suggests and what the politicians and New Agers and the friggin' United Nations suggest!

So basically the All Seeing Eye is a horrible and evil thing when it's used by the government, but when it's used by Peter Joseph and the Venus Project in their Zeitgeist film, that's ok...

And when they start quoting a Theosophist, who claims that Satan is good and God is evil, that's ok because he fights against the government, right?

But the truth is: Peter Joseph gave up the 9/11 truth movement to focus on this hypocritical "global society" initiative that we're supposed to believe is SO different from what he and David Icke and Jordan Maxwell and all of those other supposed "truthers" are telling us "their" NWO will be.

Look it up yourself, and you'll see this is all true.

ive heard this all before. you could be on to something. i will check it out

Originally posted by Deano
ive heard this all before. you could be on to something. i will check it out

I suggest Keith Thompson's films "Aquarius: The Age of Evil" and "New Age Infiltration of the Truth Movement."

Both are excellent if you want to see how similar the ideas brought forth by people like Peter Joseph, Jordan Maxwell, and David Icke are cut from the same cloth as the beliefs of Theosophy, New Age, and Freemasonry, and those three groups' affiliations not only with each other, but with the NWO agenda.

And you can find and verify everything (especially quotes) he puts in his videos.

God bless you, and may He lead you to the truth. The REAL truth.

Satan is Lucifer turned into a bastard by Christian religion
Lucifer means light bearer and represents knowledge
God of the Hebrew Bible is an evil murdering fu**er
Both are fiction, but if they were real I know which one I would follow

thing is god might be an alien and Jesus might have been extra terrestrial too because if the things that have been said about what Jesus could do are true then maybe he was an alien and maybe angels are aliens too, think about it.

Originally posted by ramojr
thing is god might be an alien and Jesus might have been extra terrestrial too because if the things that have been said about what Jesus could do are true then maybe he was an alien and maybe angels are aliens too, think about it.

Or maybe... if all of the things that have been said about what Jesus could do are true... then maybe... just maybe... God is the one true God and Jesus is His only begotten son.

Think about it.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Or maybe... if all of the things that have been said about what Jesus could do are true... then maybe... just maybe... God is the one true God and Jesus is His only begotten son.

Think about it.

Jesus could also equally be an alien though. Turning water into wine, healing the sick and raising the dead could all be explained with advanced technology, which would appear to be like magic/miracles to the less technologically developed.

Clarke's 3rd law. Think about it.

Originally posted by Robtard
Jesus could also equally be an alien though. Turning water into wine, healing the sick and raising the dead could all be explained with advanced technology, which would appear to be like magic/miracles to the less technologically developed.

Clarke's 3rd law. Think about it.

Jesus could also equally be the Son of God though. Turning water into wine, healing the sick and raising the dead could all be explained with the fact that God created the universe and turning water into wine is small potatoes in comparison.

Why is it so much easier for everyone to believe in little green men than to believe that there is a God who created the universe? I just don't get it...

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Jesus could also equally be the Son of God though. Turning water into wine, healing the sick and raising the dead could all be explained with the fact that God created the universe and turning water into wine is small potatoes in comparison.

Why is it so much easier for everyone to believe in little green men than to believe that there is a God who created the universe? I just don't get it...

lol

That's a crude representation of why I fall on the side of "God-believer" on the agnostic spectrum, at the end of the day.

Originally posted by Bat Dude
Jesus could also equally be the Son of God though. Turning water into wine, healing the sick and raising the dead could all be explained with the fact that God created the universe and turning water into wine is small potatoes in comparison.

Why is it so much easier for everyone to believe in little green men than to believe that there is a God who created the universe? I just don't get it...

Jesus' acts could also equally be a myth. Turning water into wine, healing the sick and raising from the dead could all be explained by myths growing into legends and such over centuries.

Why is it so much easier for so many to believe in fantastical stories than believe in logic? I just don't get that.

Originally posted by Robtard
Jesus' acts could also equally be a myth.

Actually, no. The "stories" popped up too early for both sides of this discussion to be considered "equal" in consideration. Several miraculous events did happen. As Dawkins put it, it could just be the workings of an advanced alien species. So it still comes down to faith. Faith that it was the workings of the Son of God as opposed to an advanced alien species trying to instill an altruistic belief system in a savage and violent sentient species.

Hey, it worked! Somewhat. Apparently, Christians give more to charity than any other demographic in the US. Imagine that. Now all we need to do is get rid of the self-righteousness and judgmentalism and we have one of the best possible combinations for a "people". derpy dooo!

Originally posted by Robtard
Turning water into wine, healing the sick and raising from the dead could all be explained by myths growing into legends and such over centuries.

You have that a bit wrong: "...could all be explained by legends growing into slightly exaggerated legends over the course of just a few decades before we get corroborating evidences of confirming manuscripts.

Originally posted by Robtard
Why is it so much easier for so many to believe in fantastical stories than believe in logic? I just don't get that.

This question is worded incorrectly. It cannot be answered because the way it is worded is not very honest.

If you wanted an accurate question, it should be worded:

"Why is it slightly easier for some to believe in miraculous events? I just don't get that."

And the answer is quite easy: it is a combination of neuroscience and spirituality. No, those two are not mutually inclusive. I am talking metaphysical spirituality.

And the reason it is so easy is miracles continue to happen even today. Be it a surgeon who performs her job beyond her capabilities (and feeling a sense of spiritual transcendence after the operation) or a fireman who receives heavenly guidance to navigate a collapsing building.

Or myths.

I have it right.

Worded fine, deal.

Charity box dpnations work as conscience clearers for some, rather than everyday kindness and simple obedience to conscience.
Catholics for instance would donate a lot of money too, but a lot of their priests still bugger children and scare and guilt trip an entire world with blackmail threats of hells and until recently limbos. Fact. And many christians arent much better in the 'control/judge other people whilst being lazy in their own progress of true goodness' stakes but hey as long as that donation box is contributed to...

Spiritual advancement is more of an deep, internal thing than mere ownership of a repeatedly rewritten book and most never "get it".
And if you need a manual to tell you how to be good, or that if you don't follow certain rules you are punished horribly, how altruistic/good are your really/naturally? Doesn't that seem to be like a dangerous bastard who wants to kill everyone all the time, who doesnt cause they are on parole at the moment? How much of a natural and true non-killer does that make them?
The bible contradicts itself way too much when taken literally, to be regarded as something to be taken literally.
IE Thou shalt not kill (Except if they are a member of such and such a race, unless a voice tells you to kill your son, unless that are a 'witch' etc etc)

The stories are also adaptations of other earlier religions/faiths and metaphors for astrology and other subjects, and also could be considered to be more allegorically than anything else.
IE: Water into wine refering to the spiritual alchemical process of development. Like the coal/diamond metaphor.

Just the way it seems to me..

Originally posted by Robtard
Jesus could also equally be an alien though. Turning water into wine, healing the sick and raising the dead could all be explained with advanced technology, which would appear to be like magic/miracles to the less technologically developed.

Clarke's 3rd law. Think about it.

Classic alien.

Welcome, heathen.