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Scenario One: Pure hand to hand, no other powers (including flight)

Scenario Two: Iron Man can fly

who wins?

Iron Man's far faster and his blows can stagger people like Sentry, so I'm going with Shellhead.

Question, though. Can Iron Man use the suit to allocate all power toward melee purposes? Reinforcing his defenses, boosting strength levels, etc?

^Yes.

Iron Man in both.

Tony's way too fast for Piotr to touch him.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
^Yes.

Iron Man in both.

Stark.

Nuul, you edited! Bad poster!

Tony's amped so much in the last 4 months.

Originally posted by Don Corleone
Nuul, you edited! Bad poster!

dur313

I should be good. Dont want to get a warning...

Punch for punch, I'd bet on Colossus to win.

Since Iron Man is allowed to fly in the second scenario, I could see the fight going either way. I haven't kept up with my reading for a while, so I'm not aware of any upgrades Tony made to the Iron Man armor.

mmmmmmmm.............colossus, tonys h2h capabilites never imressed me

Originally posted by Sin I AM
mmmmmmmm.............colossus, tonys h2h capabilites never imressed me

He one-shotted the Hulk

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He one-shotted the Hulk



context? anywho in prolonged battles without the use of his array of abilities his power reserves will delete waayyyyy before piotr gets k.o.ed...he's just too durable for tony imo

Originally posted by Sin I AM
context? anywho in prolonged battles without the use of his array of abilities his power reserves will delete waayyyyy before piotr gets k.o.ed...he's just too durable for tony imo Tony's new suit is supposed to have an unlimited supply of energy he descibed it as having a star in his chest.

Originally posted by thanos-prime
Tony's new suit is supposed to have an unlimited supply of energy he descibed it as having a star in his chest.

hyperbole

#1 Not sure can go either way #2 Ironman

Originally posted by The Nuul
dur313

I should be good. Dont want to get a warning...

Warned anyway.

Because I can.

ha-son

Dammit Face, I blame you.

colossus has beat tony every time they ever fought in comics

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
colossus has beat tony every time they ever fought in comics That's because every time he fights another hero in comics he suddenly forgets he has more than just flight and strength.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
colossus has beat tony every time they ever fought in comics 1. i don't think i remember them fighting any time
2. They never fought while Toiny is in this armour
3. Tony had an decent little battle with Thor in ironman/Thor. Colossus has little to no chance against this newer armour

imo i doubt colossus is even stronger than current IM

1) split
2) IM

Im wins
Stronger, faster and smarter

Some scans about Colossus beating IM would be fine. Given that Namor thrashed Extremis I can see Piotr winning.

When has Colossus ever trashed Iron Man? I don't think I've even read one of their encounters before. Namor is noticeably stronger than Colossus by the way.

Stark wins this. Even back in the day, he could channel his energy into strength alone, allowing him to bat noticeably higher than his tier. Currently with his improved armor and energy reserves, I think if his going pure strength, there's a fair chance he'll Colossus out. His done more impressive things than that.

A lot of people -and writers- forget the strength upgrade he got from Extremis as well.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Colossus tossin She-Hulk aside. Ironman saved her from a beatin.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/uncannyxmenannual07page152yo.jpg

After Iron Man shot him in the back Colossus grabbed him out of the air and slammed him to the ground.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/uncannyxmenannual07page182ma.jpg

both links are broken

Originally posted by inimalist
both links are broken

That's how he rolls.

Are you still working on MT thread?

Originally posted by snoopdogg


Infinity War #2 Colossus restrains Iron Man with a full-Nelson.(Note Iron Man was possesed by some Alien jack@ss but still IM none the less) I am kinda surprised IM couldn't break the hold.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/doggydogg2/ColossusandIMIW2.jpg

wtf is wrong with photobucket?

colossus can withstand iron mans blast

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6536435

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
wtf is wrong with photobucket?

Nothing wrong with it. Snoop simply deleted these scans, IIRC.

lol

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Are you still working on MT thread?

"working", yes.

I'd like to get it done, RL is a *****, and the next 2 TB issues are MT centric, so it would be nice to incorporate them (some indication of how bad MT burnt Hyperion would be nice too).

lol, to not ramble, ya, maybe in the next couple of weeks I can pull something off?

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
colossus can withstand iron mans blast

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6536435

So can Hulk and he still got one-shotted when Tony went "maximum overdrive" on him.

None of those scans work. And I doubt any scan exists that fit the descriptions you gave.

The only one that does (The one with Sasquatch) hardly proves anything. And IIRC, that was an evil clone from Infinity War. Besides, withstanding a repulsor blast should be within Colossus' capabilities.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
So can Hulk and he still got one-shotted when Tony went "maximum overdrive" on him. theres actually an issue where iron cause a large crater in ground and colossus was still up

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
None of those scans work. And I doubt any scan exists that fit the descriptions you gave.

The only one that does (The one with Sasquatch) hardly proves anything. And IIRC, that was an evil clone from Infinity War. Besides, withstanding a repulsor blast should be within Colossus' capabilities. I didnt give those descriptions

its a direct quote.

I know that. I'm referring to this:
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
colossus has beat tony every time they ever fought in comics

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I know that. I'm referring to this:
Maybe Colossus is pulling some kind of rope-a-dope debating style where he gets savaged and hopes to outlast you and crush you in the end. dur

It might work. I get bored easily nowadays. Throw enough silliness at me, and I'll just stop.

shockish

I only go out of my way for an extended run with Quan. His "special" (In the short bus kind of way) and his debating tactic is amusing.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
colossus can withstand iron mans blast

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6536435

Indeed, "Way to go Sasquatch!"

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
None of those scans work. And I doubt any scan exists that fit the descriptions you gave.

The only one that does (The one with Sasquatch) hardly proves anything. And IIRC, that was an evil clone from Infinity War. Besides, withstanding a repulsor blast should be within Colossus' capabilities.

To play Devil's Advocate that clone actually beat the real Iron Man in a one on one fight

Iron Man is fast enough to get a nod from Sentry, who said he's always going to be a few seconds behind him ultimately. A few seconds slower than Sentry is nothing to sneer at.

Tony with his current armor is going to take this. Pre-Extremis Iron Man could likely as well.

Originally posted by inimalist
hyperbole

lol

Anyway, if Tony has indeed retained his Extremis upgrades, he wins every time in either scenario. Far faster reactions, better high end feats.

http://images.killermovies.com/forums/customsmilies/sneer.gif

god i hate hyperboles............star in his chest really, i mean come on

its actually an electromagnet

he has one put in .... the rescue chick, and they repel eachother

I dunno, the Uni-beam has some good feats. Even a small upgrade to that is nothing to be scoffed at. Small sun, obviously not. Formidable weapon, likely. If you focus on what IM can do instead of caring about that one non-feat, even with the match stips here, he wins pretty clearly.

And I'm trying to relent from allegory over in's recent tourney match here, but clearly failing quite hard.

dgrin

is current IM even more powerful than extremis?

Originally posted by inimalist
its actually an electromagnet

he has one put in .... the rescue chick, and they repel eachother


ghey

Originally posted by Starscream M
is current IM even more powerful than extremis?

Yes.

According to Tony, Bleeding Edge is the next step to Extremis.

Originally posted by The Nuul
ha-son

Dammit Face, I blame you.

I'm sowy

Originally posted by Digi
I dunno, the Uni-beam has some good feats. Even a small upgrade to that is nothing to be scoffed at. Small sun, obviously not. Formidable weapon, likely. If you focus on what IM can do instead of caring about that one non-feat, even with the match stips here, he wins pretty clearly.

And I'm trying to relent from allegory over in's recent tourney match here, but clearly failing quite hard.

dgrin

lol, no, it was too hard for me to resist commenting on that just because of the tourney

I'm not saying anything about IM, just that its not a sun

What are you, a sun expert!? sneer

whats it to you? you know about suns?

I have a PhD in suns.

from my solar institution

Pfft, you're just a figurehead.

Awwww lucky I only have an undergraduate in the moon

so where does this upgrade put him? low herald? i mean if i had a effin miniature sun/ small star in my chest id be low-herald...im really startin to hate ugrades that marvel seems to be dishin out

Iron Man's always ranged wildly in tiers, imo. He generally can hang with a legit herald for a moment or longer if he's prepared for them. And Iron Man was depowered before then, too; he's been on the run with crappy tech ever since Secret Invasion and has gotten progressively worse. I don't think he's significantly far greater than Extremis at this point, but I do think it feels more like natural progession.

I mean, Tony's entire character is based around upgrading himself or his armors.

Originally posted by Mindset
Pfft, you're just a figurehead.

whose signature is that on your diploma?

My mom's!

Originally posted by Sin I AM
so where does this upgrade put him? low herald? i mean if i had a effin miniature sun/ small star in my chest id be low-herald...im really startin to hate ugrades that marvel seems to be dishin out Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Iron Man's always ranged wildly in tiers, imo. He generally can hang with a legit herald for a moment or longer if he's prepared for them. And Iron Man was depowered before then, too; he's been on the run with crappy tech ever since Secret Invasion and has gotten progressively worse. I don't think he's significantly far greater than Extremis at this point, but I do think it feels more like natural progession.

I mean, Tony's entire character is based around upgrading himself or his armors.
I think (using the tiers established in the Mix Genre thread) Current IM would be Elite Meta personally. Like there are times when Iron Man is to the Meta tier what Silver Surfer is to Herald or Batman is to Street.

i dont see bats as the cream of the crop, i prefer cap...but then again one and the same

Originally posted by Sin I AM
i dont see bats as the cream of the crop, i prefer cap...but then again one and the same
Tony should win then again hes the dumbest smart person in comics

Originally posted by iceman24567

Tony should win then again hes the dumbest smart person in comics


meh ive hated tony since the Civil War...he's such a douche, and the whole downloaded memory thing is kinda lame to me, hopefully they dont make him complete cyborg like the did rhodes

Originally posted by Sin I AM
meh ive hated tony since the Civil War...he's such a douche, and the whole downloaded memory thing is kinda lame to me, hopefully they dont make him complete cyborg like the did rhodes I liked when I was a child once I realized how much of ass he was I treated him like I treat Spiderman they should be brohams

Originally posted by Sin I AM
i dont see bats as the cream of the crop, i prefer cap...but then again one and the same
Batman's gear is more versatile than Cap's, and that combined with his prep skills makes him more impressive than Cap in my eyes.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Batman's gear is more versatile than Cap's, and that combined with his prep skills makes him more impressive than Cap in my eyes.


i dont factor in the shield and gear when calculating overall effectiveness with these two streets........i try to strip them down to bare parts

Originally posted by Sin I AM
i dont factor in the shield and gear when calculating overall effectiveness with these two streets........i try to strip them down to bare parts ahhh you kinky little vixen

mmm

Originally posted by psycho gundam
mmm


Originally posted by iceman24567
ahhh you kinky little vixen



............u boys are incorrigible

Originally posted by Sin I AM
............u boys are incorrigible And you love it

So Iron Man wins?

Yes.

I really don't see how Colossus can beat Iron Man pre-Extremis for a majority, let alone Bleeding Edge.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
theres actually an issue where iron cause a large crater in ground and colossus was still up

If you're talking about To Serve and Protect mini, then we have yet another Omega lv fail from you.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
If you're talking about To Serve and Protect mini, then we have yet another Omega lv fail from you.

he is, and iron man totally disresected him "if i needded muscle big guy i'd get the hulk" paraphrasing ..but u get the gist

Originally posted by iceman24567
I liked when I was a child once I realized how much of ass he was I treated him like I treat Spiderman they should be brohams Tony and Peter > Bobby.

bobby and johnny shouldd realize their potential and team up

Pretty sure they have before.

It might have been ultimate universe.

Originally posted by Mindset
Pretty sure they have before.

It might have been ultimate universe.


if they did it wasnt anything noteworthy....and ultimates suck ass

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
So can Hulk and he still got one-shotted when Tony went "maximum overdrive" on him. didnt work on colossus though

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/43469/1594910-x_men_p_s02_025.jpg

What does that prove? And where is the rest?

^ he can tank a overdrive blast

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
^ he can tank a overdrive blast Is there anymore to that fight or whatever was going on? I need more data before I can accept it.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
if they did it wasnt anything noteworthy....and ultimates suck ass

They did. In a old Marvel Team-Up issue.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
bobby and johnny shouldd realize their potential and team up
Basically a male version of Fire and Ice from DC Comics.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
didnt work on colossus though

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/43469/1594910-x_men_p_s02_025.jpg why did a kryptonite meteor land down on marvel earth ?

That's Hulk's ass. Not a meteor.

Piotr couldn't possibly touch Tony.


Tony could catch Colossus in a force field and dump him anywhere.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Piotr couldn't possibly touch Tony.


Tony could catch Colossus in a force field and dump him anywhere.
This is strictly h/h

H2H is alot closer.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
This is strictly h/h

If Extremis armor rendered Cap unable to touch Tony.

Then Bleeding Edge sure as hell ain't allowing Piotr to touch him.

Tony can zip around C pummeling his head at blistering speeds.
With strength that can lift buildings and ships.

I can't see Tony punching Piotr out though. The fight can go for days with Tony only relying on sheer punches.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Is there anymore to that fight or whatever was going on? I need more data before I can accept it.

From what I remember those two did not fight in that issue.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
^Yes.

Iron Man in both. how is he winning in the first? colosuss cant tired...

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C

You ****ing idiot. Stop spamming threads with oversize images, learn how to use thumbnails.

Tony didn't blast Colossus in that scan or anything, FYI. Your post was completely irrelevant and annoying, as always.

Everyone is so mean to Big C, poor guy doesn't mean any harm.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Everyone is so mean to Big C, poor guy doesn't mean any harm.

You're right. I usually restrain from insulting him, but sometimes he crosses the line.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You ****ing idiot. Stop spamming threads with oversize images, learn how to use thumbnails.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You're right. I usually restrain from insulting him, but sometimes he crosses the line.

From what I can tell he either doesn't know any better and just does not care so why bother.

Originally posted by Warrior18


Welcome back, Warrior.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
From what I can tell he either doesn't know any better and just does not care so why bother.

True...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Welcome back, Warrior.





Why thankyou my good man.

Anyways Tony for zeh win.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
sometimes he crosses the line. as you have...I just Reported you...

Originally posted by Warrior18
Why thankyou my good man.

Anyways Tony for zeh win.

You've always been a great poster, we missed you here.

Agreed.

Originally posted by FanBoy101
as you have...I just Reported you...

You're joking, right?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You're right. I usually restrain from insulting him, but sometimes he crosses the line. I've actually never seen you insult anyone, you usually post one liners.

Originally posted by Warrior18
Why thankyou my good man.

Anyways Tony for zeh win. i missed u too. but, you're only here so you dont miss any Sin I am pics

IM.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Namor is noticeably stronger than Colossus by the way.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You ****ing idiot. Stop spamming threads with oversize images, learn how to use thumbnails.

Tony didn't blast Colossus in that scan or anything, FYI. Your post was completely irrelevant and annoying, as always. You ****ing newb, stop trolling.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
i mean if i had a effin miniature sun/ small star in my chest id be low-herald you don't need implants sweetheart

Originally posted by Metalmanx


What? It's the truth.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What? It's the truth.
based off feats this very well could be the case.


Though I personally believe there in the same strength class.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
You ****ing newb, stop trolling.

Look who's talking. Here's the whole scene:

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7159/xmenps02024.th.jpg http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/3455/xmenps02025.th.jpg

That looks like a repulsor ray to you? For the last time, stop talking out of your ass.

So this thread is basically the handful of Colossus fans vs...the rest of KMC?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Look who's talking. Here's the whole scene:

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7159/xmenps02024.th.jpg http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/3455/xmenps02025.th.jpg

That looks like a repulsor ray to you? For the last time, stop talking out of your ass. That needs to go in Colossus' respect thread.Originally posted by Omega Vision
So this thread is basically the handful of Colossus fans vs...the rest of KMC? If this is H2H it's a close fight.

Iron Man wins
They matched on strength but Iron Man has so many more powers

Piotr can't touch Tony so it's already a win.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
That needs to go in Colossus' respect thread.

No, it doesn't. He did it in one of his 1st appearances.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No, it doesn't. He did it in one of his 1st appearances. So replicated feats are not really kosher?

If that's enough of a feat to go into the respect thread, then Colossus is less powerful than I figured.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
So replicated feats are not really kosher?

Colossus has plenty of "falling from the sky and emerging unscfathed" feats. He doesn't need any more.

Colossus-C, if you keep trolling you're going to get a warning.

That's like saying Wolverine has plenty of healing feats...and he don't need any more.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
That's like saying Wolverine has plenty of healing feats...and he don't need any more.

Not really. Colossus has fallen from higher heights and been fine. That one is a not as good feat as those.

I dident even realize that was a feat.............I thought it was a lame preview

Ironman is winning this but Colossus isn't going down easily.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I dident even realize that was a feat.............I thought it was a lame preview lmao That's usually the case with big c.

Originally posted by dmills
lmao That's usually the case with big c.
true lol

Originally posted by carver9
Ironman is winning this but Colossus isn't going down easily.
I not so sure man. Iron man is way faster, much better reaction time, biult in spider senses (though not 100% sure he still has that), repair system, he might be more then a match for colossus melee. Then you have numerous and powerful range abilities. Not to mention magnetic ray type attacks.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I not so sure man. Iron man is way faster, much better reaction time, biult in spider senses (though not 100% sure he still has that), repair system, he might be more then a match for colossus melee. Then you have numerous and powerful range abilities. Not to mention magnetic ray type attacks.

Colossus durability has withstood much more than anything that you've named. I agree, Ironman is a beast but I can't picture Colossus going down easily if we look at the character history.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I not so sure man. Iron man is way faster, much better reaction time, biult in spider senses (though not 100% sure he still has that), repair system, he might be more then a match for colossus melee. Then you have numerous and powerful range abilities. Not to mention magnetic ray type attacks. When you say spider sense you mean that civil war thing? Or there's been something else? Im asking cause I dont keep up with IM.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Not really. Colossus has fallen from higher heights and been fine. That one is a not as good feat as those. colossus has falllen to earth from space/earths upper atmosphere unscathed so yea

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
colossus has falllen to earth from space/earths upper atmosphere unscathed so yea Omega Red was knocked out from a fall from that height and he's tougher than Colossus.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Omega Red was knocked out from a fall from that height and he's tougher than Colossus.

Before that, he took Rasputin's blows, Wolverine's stabs and Kurt's repeated teleportation.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Omega Red was knocked out from a fall from that height and he's tougher than Colossus.
colossus was also dropped form similar height in the same arc and was knocked out.

Obviously, if Iron Man can fly then he wins. Clearly.

However, if this goes hand-to-hand, I'm giving it to Colossus.

Originally posted by Metalmanx


However, if this goes hand-to-hand, I'm giving it to Colossus.
why?

Originally posted by SamZED
When you say spider sense you mean that civil war thing? Or there's been something else? Im asking cause I dont keep up with IM.
Thats what I was refferring to.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Obviously, if Iron Man can fly then he wins. Clearly.


Also flying is the least of Iron Man abilities that grant him the win.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
colossus was also dropped form similar height in the same arc and was knocked out. Really? Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Before that, he took Rasputin's blows, Wolverine's stabs and Kurt's repeated teleportation. So Red was weakened?

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Also flying is the least of Iron Man abilities that grant him the win. Tony is the better fighter though.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Really? So Red was weakened?
Yes. It was used as a pot devise through out the arc. I would not put much stock in omega red or colossus being KO that way, If you read the arc, it pretty clear that falling from great hieghts was used as a plot device to further the story. Both colossus, wolverine and omega red were all KO from falling from great hieghts in that story arc.

Even without flight, Iron Man is incredibly fast.

He gets the majority regardless.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Even without flight, Iron Man is incredibly fast.

He gets the majority regardless. colossus is stronger and more durable, isn't he?

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Tony is the better fighter though.
I agree more or less, most certainly with the suit on.

Originally posted by Starscream M
colossus is stronger and more durable, isn't he?
debatable to be honest.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
So Red was weakened?

Yes, he was. He wasn't used to Kurt's teleportation and the torture and the fight took a tool on him.

Originally posted by Starscream M
colossus is stronger and more durable, isn't he?

Like Dum Dum said, extremely debatable.

Not to mention, Iron Man can re-allocate his armor's power for melee purposes, and considering that's what he's limited to, he can boost physical strength and shields.