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This is a contest to determine Marvels best *all around* speedster. Not the fastest in travel speed and the like. Just flat out all around effectiveness in battle be it running, flying, in space or on land.

To avoid the type of conjecture commonly associated with super speed I'm asking for speed feats that are truly super speed based, so no Martial Artists please. Yes we know that Wolverine, Iron Fist etc are fast. But they aren't considered speedsters by any stretch.

For the sake of clarity, please do try and avoid hyperbole based feats and also make sure to try and post feats that are as non ambiguous as possible.

The criteria is simple. The nominee must have legitimate speed feats in a variety of situations, i.e. in open space, in tight quarters, etc. They have to be reflexive- preferably combat speed feats.

I'll provide a few examples of what I'm talking about.

Close quarters combat speed:

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_1302063945354.jpg http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_1302063957144.jpg http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_1302063973122.jpg


Throwing projectiles at opponents:

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_1302057703869.jpg

You know what's coming, but are you fast enough to stop it?

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_thunderbolts143013.jpg http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_thunderbolts143014.jpg http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_thunderbolts143015.jpg

Going somewhere with that?

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_2011-03-24085704.jpg

Ok you get what I'm talking about. So who's the best all around speedster in Marvel?

Glads
Silver Surfer
Quicksilver
Makkari
Hermes
Northstar
Aurora
The Runner

If I forgotten anyone, please feel free to mention them.

The Runner. Definitely.

Originally posted by dmills
This is a contest to determine Marvels best *all around* speedster. Not the fastest in travel speed and the like. Just flat out all around effectiveness in battle be it running, flying, in space or on land.

To avoid the type of conjecture commonly associated with super speed I'm asking for speed feats that are truly super speed based, so no Martial Artists please. Yes we know that Wolverine, Iron Fist etc are fast. But they aren't considered speedsters by any stretch.

For the sake of clarity, please do try and avoid hyperbole based feats and also make sure to try and post feats that are as non ambiguous as possible.

The criteria is simple. The nominee must have legitimate speed feats in a variety of situations, i.e. in open space, in tight quarters, etc. They have to be reflexive- preferably combat speed feats.

I'll provide a few examples of what I'm talking about.

Close quarters combat speed:

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_1302063945354.jpg http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_1302063957144.jpg http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_1302063973122.jpg


Throwing projectiles at opponents:

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_1302057703869.jpg

You know what's coming, but are you fast enough to stop it?

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_thunderbolts143013.jpg http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_thunderbolts143014.jpg http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_thunderbolts143015.jpg

Going somewhere with that?

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_2011-03-24085704.jpg

Ok you get what I'm talking about. So who's the best all around speedster in Marvel?

Glads
Silver Surfer
Quicksilver
Makkari
Hermes
Northstar
Aurora
The Runner

If I forgotten anyone, please feel free to mention them.

Do I REALLY have to post Glads feats? I have done them so many times its crazy. I have shown him blitz 3 times at the speed of light. I have shown him blitz the entire xmen including the shiar before they can react. I have shown him moving, talking, and building objects at hyper speeds. I have shown him punching at nano seconds. Blitzing Masterson at super speeds. Moving his hands in a blur... catching alien sniper bullets... rapping Sam in a steel pole in less than a second.

When it comes to speed, Gladiator is the head moncho in Marvel and would be top notch in DC.

Originally posted by carver9
Do I REALLY have to post Glads feats? I have done them so many times its crazy. I have shown him blitz 3 times at the speed of light. I have shown him blitz the entire xmen including the shiar before they can react. I have shown him moving, talking, and building objects at hyper speeds. I have shown him punching at nano seconds. Blitzing Masterson at super speeds. Moving his hands in a blur... catching alien sniper bullets... rapping Sam in a steel pole in less than a second.

When it comes to speed, Gladiator is the head moncho in Marvel and would be top notch in DC.

Lawl

I wasn't joking. I was very serious.

Originally posted by carver9
Do I REALLY have to post Glads feats? I have done them so many times its crazy. I have shown him blitz 3 times at the speed of light. I have shown him blitz the entire xmen including the shiar before they can react. I have shown him moving, talking, and building objects at hyper speeds. I have shown him punching at nano seconds. Blitzing Masterson at super speeds. Moving his hands in a blur... catching alien sniper bullets... rapping Sam in a steel pole in less than a second.

When it comes to speed, Gladiator is the head moncho in Marvel and would be top notch in DC.

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Originally posted by carver9
I wasn't joking. I was very serious. Gladiator isn't the top dog in marvel the runner is clearly portrayed as the fastest.

I also think Sentry is up there as well.

Originally posted by -Pr-
V3y3QoFnqZc





Omg that was HILARIOUS.


Back on topic...lol... everything that I said is true.

Don't hate.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Gladiator isn't the top dog in marvel the runner is clearly portrayed as the fastest.

I also think Sentry is up there as well.

Like I said... no one minus Flash has comparable feats.

I agree, Sentry is good as well.

Quicksilver, obviously.

Originally posted by carver9
Like I said... no one minus Flash has comparable feats.

I agree, Sentry is good as well. So you think the runner can't keep up with Gladiator ? Why ?

Can Sentry keep up with Gladiator iyo ?

Runner.

Originally posted by carver9




Omg that was HILARIOUS.


Back on topic...lol... everything that I said is true.

Don't hate.

But it's not.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you think the runner can't keep up with Gladiator ? Why ?

Can Sentry keep up with Gladiator iyo ?

In character, yes. I don't debate in the fashion of someone being untouchable if they have been getting slapped around their entire career but that doesn't change the fact that Glads is much faster and that doesn't change the fact that I could see Runner trying to blitz Gladiator ending with Glads grabbing his a** out of thin air by the neck surprising Runner... same for Flash.

I have seen to many people say that "they didn't even see Gladiator move" and he was already on top of them with a hay maker and he was at least a couple of feat/yards away. He did this to Sam, Wonderman, Masterson, Human Torch, and Thing. They were looking right at him and he blitzed them so fast that they didn't even see him move out of his spot.

So what the Runner lacks in quantity he makes up for in quality? Because he damn sure doesn't have a lot of apperaences relative to the others.

Originally posted by carver9
In character, yes. I don't debate in the fashion of someone being untouchable if they have been getting slapped around their entire career but that doesn't change the fact that Glads is much faster and that doesn't change the fact that I could see Runner trying to blitz Gladiator ending with Glads grabbing his a** out of thin air by the neck surprising Runner... same for Flash.

I have seen to many people say that "they didn't even see Gladiator move" and he was already on top of them with a hay maker and he was at least a couple of feat/yards away. He did this to Sam, Wonderman, Masterson, Human Torch, and Thing. They were looking right at him and he blitzed them so fast that they didn't even see him move out of his spot. Why is Gladiator faster again ? Based off of what could he easily just grab the runner out of the air ?


The runner and anyone with decent speed can do this as well. I mean come on. Your examples are lackluster and it kinda shows off your ignorance about this subject.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Why is Gladiator faster again ? Based off of what could he easily just grab the runner out of the air ?


The runner and anyone with decent speed can do this as well. I mean come on. Your examples are lackluster and it kinda shows off your ignorance about this subject.

I never said runner "couldnt " do that... I wanted you to know that Runner was going to be another individual added to that list if he faced Glads.

Based on feats. Glads feats are better... like I said before, he was operating a computer for hours at Hyper Speed and let's not even think about how fast "hyper speed" is.

Like I said before... minus space flight, Glads has blitz 3 times in a environment with gravity at near light speed.

To many people do not have that luxury under their belts.

Hermes is faster than Gladiator.

Nova deserves to be in the discussion. Not as fastest guy obviously, but he's got some solid combat speed feats.

runner

I forgot about ol crazy Bob. Thinking back to when The Punisher tried to assassinate Osborn. Good times.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_punisher13.jpg http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_sentry_punisher_3.jpg http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_punisher1006rd1.jpg http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_1085151-punisher001_6_02_super.jpg

Good lord we're getting off track faster than I anticipated. Guys I'm not asking who's the fastest, just who is the best *all around* in terms of combat/reflexive feats in a variety of situations.

Originally posted by carver9
I never said runner "couldnt " do that... I wanted you to know that Runner was going to be another individual added to that list if he faced Glads.

Based on feats. Glads feats are better... like I said before, he was operating a computer for hours at Hyper Speed and let's not even think about how fast "hyper speed" is.

Like I said before... minus space flight, Glads has blitz 3 times in a environment with gravity at near light speed.

To many people do not have that luxury under their belts. The Runner is portrayed as faster imo. Glads for all his brashness and hyerpbole still couldn't get the Hulk off of planet earth in time to starve him of oxygen.

Sentry can go *** for tat with Gladiator as well.

Runner.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The Runner is portrayed as faster imo. Glads for all his brashness and hyerpbole still couldn't get the Hulk off of planet earth in time to starve him of oxygen.

Sentry can go *** for tat with Gladiator as well.

Which is interesting because Nova was able to snatch and grab Glads off into space before he could finally react.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_NovaV21-Page29.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/3673/wtfship2tj8.th.jpg

Originally posted by dmills
Which is interesting because Nova was able to snatch and grab Glads off into space before he could finally react.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_NovaV21-Page29.jpg That doesn't look anywhere near space.

Originally posted by Mindset
That doesn't look anywhere near space.

Here. Big baby.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/nova%20energy%20absorption/th_NovaV21-Page30.jpg

Originally posted by dmills
Which is interesting because Nova was able to snatch and grab Glads off into space before he could finally react.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_NovaV21-Page29.jpg


No he dident, thats not even close.


This is getting some one into space.

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/8706/72832116bb5.th.jpg

Originally posted by dmills
Here. Big baby.

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/nova%20energy%20absorption/th_NovaV21-Page30.jpg
thats not before he could react. the fact he was talking to him disprove the idea he could not react.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The Runner is portrayed as faster imo. Glads for all his brashness and hyerpbole still couldn't get the Hulk off of planet earth in time to starve him of oxygen.

Sentry can go *** for tat with Gladiator as well.

The runner isn't portrayed as faster imo if we look at feats MINUS cis. Runner doesn't have the punching feats or reflexes that Glads has.

Sentry can gives Glads a fight, that's not my argument... my argument is, Glads speed feats are better. I have named them, called them out and the only thing you are sprouting is who can win in a fight.

Runner speed was mainly focused around space flight. If that's the case, Gladiator still has him beat.

Look at that beautful scan Dum Dum just put up... if we are basing this off of space flight... that feat alone trumps all.

Question. How is Nova absorbing Gladiator's eyebeams?

Originally posted by Mindset
That doesn't look anywhere near space. Ok, but he's reacting in the first scan.

I don't know why dmills is even using that fight as any type of evidence when he know that Glads was toying around with Nova and could have ended the fight at any point and he also knows that Nova lost that fight.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
thats not before he could react. the fact he was talking to him disprove the idea he could not react.

Originally posted by carver9
I don't know why dmills is even using that fight as any type of evidence when he know that Glads was toying around with Nova and could have ended the fight at any point and he also knows that Nova lost that fight. Just talking about speed stuff.

Lulz. Yeah ok.

Originally posted by Mindset
Ok, but he's reacting in the first scan. Why are you quoting yourself

I quoted myself, lol, stupid phone.

But yea, he reacted in the first scan.

Originally posted by dmills

Originally posted by Mindset
But yea, he reacted in the first scan.
yup

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Question. How is Nova absorbing Gladiator's eyebeams? One of his powers is to absorb/manipulate/leech/redirect any and all types of energy be it from humans or from machines.

Originally posted by Mindset
But yea, he reacted in the first scan. I clarified with dum dum. I was talking about reacting in any kind of offensive/defensive manner. Should've been more clear.

Now both of you just agree with me or I'll report you both.

Well, its not that he couldn't, he just didn't. If he could talk, he could shoot eye beams.

It doesn't take Dick long to get into space.

Reported.

Makkari & Runner are the best.

Surfer isn't worth mentioning.

Starhawk or Surfer

runner is largely unimpressive outside of just being fast, imo

Runner
Surfer

Originally posted by Deadline
Look man just keep quiet. You're embarrasing marvel fans.

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/giggle.gif

How close was Sentry to Osborn?

^^^ Iirc he was not around or else Frank would've saw him. He came outta nowhere.

Well, its definitely impressive for his sensory abilities then, but we don't know by how much, as we don't know how far away he was. Which in turn means we have no idea how fast he was going.

I doubt he was out in space or anything though. lol.

Sentry's best speed feat is catching a sniper bullet? the same type of sniper bullet that street levelers dodge without breaking a sweat?

Street characters tend to be very powerful, anywhere from low herald to trans on any given day.

Originally posted by inimalist
Sentry's best speed feat is catching a sniper bullet? the same type of sniper bullet that street levelers dodge without breaking a sweat?
Not at all. He has several feats including the time he ripped carnage in haft by reaching the sun with matter of seconds from earth.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Not at all. He has several feats including the time he ripped carnage in haft by reaching the sun with matter of seconds from earth.

to the sun in seconds, eh? (EDIT: he didn't rip Carnage in half near the sun, just in orbit, are you mixing up 2 feats?)

thats not bad...

still, Starhawk

Surfers got a feat of asually perceiving, reactig to, and tracking an electronic signal which is indicative of lightspeed level perceptions, reactions and movement ad so is pretty impressive as far as this thread is concerned

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/3673/wtfship2tj8.th.jpg
this is possibly the craziest marvel feat I have seen. Glads is clocked in at over 100 times the speed of light.

Gladiator and Silver Surfer are the best overall

The Runner is such a fail character.

Is there a character called the jogger or the jumper or the climber

Originally posted by GRIMNIR
Gladiator and Silver Surfer are the best overall

The Runner is such a fail character.

Is there a character called the jogger or the jumper or the climber

Is there a above average man, or pretty good at stuff man, no just SUPERMAN!!

Originally posted by inimalist
Sentry's best speed feat is catching a sniper bullet? the same type of sniper bullet that street levelers dodge without breaking a sweat?

I never said that. It's just a random one that stood out to me

I suppose it would be, were it not something all characters seem to be able to do to some degree

/shrug, I'd say the same of the gladiator feat

Runner, Makkari, and Hermes from what I've seen. Then the Superman analogues like Hyperion, Gladiator, and Sentry. After that, I'd say it's beings like Surfer and Thor who have crazy travel speed, some high end reaction feats, but aren't speedsters in the same sense as those above.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
this is possibly the craziest marvel feat I have seen. Glads is clocked in at over 100 times the speed of light.

Flight speed.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
this is possibly the craziest marvel feat I have seen. Glads is clocked in at over 100 times the speed of light. It's even sicker when you consider that the average distance between Earth and Pluto is possibly anywhere from 30-50 a.u. 1 AU is roughly 93 million miles lol. Isn't there one feat where he caught up to the Surfer from behind while in hyper space? Now that is a sick feat.

But travel speed isn't relevant for the proposes of this thread. I'm asking for best all around reflexive/combat based speed.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Runner, Makkari, and Hermes from what I've seen. Then the Superman analogues like Hyperion, Gladiator, and Sentry. After that, I'd say it's beings like Surfer and Thor who have crazy travel speed, some high end reaction feats, but aren't speedsters in the same sense as those above.



Flight speed.

Surfer and Thor arent in the same vein speedwise.....at all. Surfer has legitmate combat superspeed blitzes against single and multiple opponents as well as being able to perceive and process things at superspeed.

What are Surfer's best speed feats in terms of reflexes and combat speed?

I've seen Surfer zoom around really fast and blast people, and he has two or so feats where he tracks electrons or something and reacts in a nanosecond/microsecond. Is that about it?

http://www.thedailypage.com/media/2008/06/06/586Cover.jpg

no love for starhawk...

instant FTL, reflexes and all that jazz... survives in suns, can go intangible, light constructs, goes toe to toe with Thor and Wonderman in h2h, destroys barriers even Mjolnir cant, has precog and universal awareness, shrugs of blasts from surfer and firelord, blows the crap out of starships and space based defense platforms, manipulates light... (created by Steve Gerber )

, c'mon! what else do you want from a speedster

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What are Surfer's best speed feats in terms of reflexes and combat speed?

I've seen Surfer zoom around really fast and blast people, and he has two or so feats where he tracks electrons or something and reacts in a nanosecond/microsecond. Is that about it?

He has legititmate speedblitzes in combat at superspeed and yes their is the electronic signal feat(which indicates superspeed reaction, perception and movement) as well as feats of high level mental processing speed.

what more do u want?

Originally posted by Naija boy
He has legititmate speedblitzes in combat at superspeed and yes their is the electron feat(which indicates superspeed reaction, perception and movement) as well as feats of high level mental processing speed.

what more do u want?

Like what? If by definition of legitimate speed blitzes, you mean flying around and zapping things pretty fast, then my point stands. But if he has some showing where his punching someone in nanoseconds or whatever, then I retract my statement.

I think Surfer's most likely faster than Thor, but in terms of speedsters, they're in the same vein. Both characters have a few showings where they operate or react at extremely high speeds, but you'll regularly find them flying really fast and not punching/fighting really fast in the same manor or quantity like Superman and his analogues. That's not a knock against Surfer, he does have impressive showings like in the recent Bill fight where the two were engaged in active combat while moving at speeds many times faster than light, but it's not in the same vein as the recent Flash/Superman comic.

The portrayals in speed are just different. That's all I'm saying.

Rage is backing the hell away, from a fight he knows he can't win.

I'm surprised, he mostly just seems to like taking the beatings.

Originally posted by inimalist
no love for starhawk...

instant FTL, reflexes and all that jazz... survives in suns, can go intangible, light constructs, goes toe to toe with Thor and Wonderman in h2h, destroys barriers even Mjolnir cant, has precog and universal awareness, shrugs of blasts from surfer and firelord, blows the crap out of starships and space based defense platforms, manipulates light... (created by Steve Gerber )

, c'mon! what else do you want from a speedster

A red costume with a lightning bolt on it and the secret identity named Wally West

Originally posted by Guy_Ritchie
A red costume with a lightning bolt on it and the secret identity named Wally West

the one who knows would at least give flash a run for his money

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Like what? If by definition of legitimate speed blitzes, you mean flying around and zapping things pretty fast, then my point stands. But if he has some showing where his punching someone in nanoseconds or whatever, then I retract my statement.

I think Surfer's most likely faster than Thor, but in terms of speedsters, they're in the same vein. Both characters have a few showings where they operate or react at extremely high speeds, but you'll regularly find them flying really fast and not punching/fighting really fast in the same manor or quantity like Superman and his analogues. That's not a knock against Surfer, he does have impressive showings like in the recent Bill fight where the two were engaged in active combat while moving at speeds many times faster than light, but it's not in the same vein as the recent Flash/Superman comic.

The portrayals in speed are just different. That's all I'm saying.

Ok first of all, the belief that speedblitzes or combat speed is limited too punching things really fast is false. Surfer goes around blasting things really fast seeing as he is primarily a blaster. He doesnt need to be punching in order for it to be considered a speedblitz.

The reason Surfer and thor are not in the same vein speedwise is because Thor doesnt have those sort of feats in which he is blitzing his opponents/moving,dodging,attacking at superspeed. Neither does he have examples of superspeed perception and processing speed that surfer does. Thors, combat manoevrability and movements are not similar to surfers when his speed is being emphasized which admittedly isnt always but given the multitude of his other powers is understandable.

Surfer might not punch blitz (he is a blaster as i mentioned before) but he does blast blitz and fight really fast when he wants to and thats just as valid. Moreover feats like perceiving and tracking an electronic signal speak very strongly for his overall speed level (movement, reaction, perception etc)

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Haha. Shouldn't you be licking Superman's scrotum right about now Philo?

If I had been more aggressive like I usually am, it would have turned into a Thor vs. debate as most of my discussions seem to end up as lately. It still might. ermm

Surfer and Thor have comparable flight speeds I'd wager. Surfer would most likely have the edge in terms of reflexes and maneuverability. Probably has more speed showings as well. surfer is clearly faster than thor

his perception of speed is much greater than thors....ie avoiding asteroids at ftl speeds

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Nova deserves to be in the discussion. Not as fastest guy obviously, but he's got some solid combat speed feats. Didn't see this. Rich has legit super speed feats in just about every possible category

Originally posted by Mindset
Ok, but he's reacting in the first scan.



did you just quote AND answer yourself? nice....

anyway, runner.

Originally posted by Starscream M
surfer is clearly faster than thor

his perception of speed is much greater than thors....ie avoiding asteroids at ftl speeds

I disagree if that's your reasoning. For the record, there's has only been one instance when Surfer's speed has been a noticeable hindrance for Thor and he was amped at the time. His been able to catch, tag, and perceive him even when dodging or hit/run tactics were his goal. Even recently, Bill was matching Surfer in a trans light battle.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Ok first of all, the belief that speedblitzes or combat speed is limited too punching things really fast is false. Surfer goes around blasting things really fast seeing as he is primarily a blaster. He doesnt need to be punching in order for it to be considered a speedblitz.

Do you at least see the difference between a Superman like blitz and a Surfer like blitz?

What the fastest Surfer has done one of those blasting blitzes out of curiosity?

Originally posted by Naija boy
The reason Surfer and thor are not in the same vein speedwise is because Thor doesnt have those sort of feats in which he is blitzing his opponents/moving,dodging,attacking at superspeed. Neither does he have examples of superspeed perception and processing speed that surfer does. Thors, combat manoevrability and movements are not similar to surfers when his speed is being emphasized which admittedly isnt always but given the multitude of his other powers is understandable.

Fair enough I guess. Thor does have feats that prove his very maneuverable but no accurate description of speed level have been given. What do you mean by perception? Thor can obviously track shit at very high levels of speed. Perhaps not on the level of Surfer, but if he has to, I'd say there up there at light speed.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Surfer might not punch blitz (he is a blaster as i mentioned before) but he does blast blitz and fight really fast when he wants to and thats just as valid. Moreover feats like perceiving and tracking an electronic signal speak very strongly for his overall speed level (movement, reaction, perception etc)

It shows his fast, but not like you want him to be imo. Not in the same vein as Superman etc. Oh, he can perceive things quickly, that much is obvious. Thor and Bill can to from what I can tell. IIRC, doesn't Bill have two light speed level or whatever tracking feats? One from the Surfer series and another from the Quasar team up?

In order :

1) Makkari (he beat the Runner and Buried Alien aka Flash )
2) Runner (he came in third, would have come in second but Buried Alien is faster than him)
3) Gladiator (he engaged Thor/FF/Iron Man at hyperlight speeds when they were using special devices designed by Reed)

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I disagree if that's your reasoning. For the record, there's has only been one instance when Surfer's speed has been a noticeable hindrance for Thor and he was amped at the time. His been able to catch, tag, and perceive him even when dodging or hit/run tactics were his goal. Even recently, Bill was matching Surfer in a trans light battle.

as has been said, marvel doesn't really utilize much speed in combat (at least to the degree that DC does)

just because someone can match surfer in a fight doesn't prove that they're in the same speed class. iirc rhino even tagged surfer.

When Surfer's goal is to avoid being hit and such, or his moving at high level speeds, it's different from Rhino hitting him with a gumball machine.

What about Silver Surfer vs Beta Ray Bill battle? Doesn't that count as a good speed feat for both?

Yo.

Originally posted by zopzop
In order :

1) Makkari (he beat the Runner and Buried Alien aka Flash )
2) Runner (he came in third, would have come in second but Buried Alien is faster than him)
3) Gladiator (he engaged Thor/FF/Iron Man at hyperlight speeds when they were using special devices designed by Reed)

IIRC, "B.A." wouldve won had it not been for that damn wabbit........




Tazer

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I disagree if that's your reasoning. For the record, there's has only been one instance when Surfer's speed has been a noticeable hindrance for Thor and he was amped at the time. His been able to catch, tag, and perceive him even when dodging or hit/run tactics were his goal. Even recently, Bill was matching Surfer in a trans light battle.


This isnt a vs battle firstly , and secondly surfer has never really fought thor himself using any form of superspeed blitzing tactic not that it matters. Bill being able to react to surfers attacks was pretty impressive and is evidence of his reactions certainly. However, reactions alone arent enough to put them in the same vein of speed as I intended to describe it. Furthermore, im sure you would be the first to claim that bills feats and thor feats arent interchangeable.



There is a difference yes. The difference being that Surfer is unable to generate the propulsion to perform these blitzes without the aid of his board. However his bodily movements, reactions, and perceptions still need to be top notch in order to keep up with the pace his board is moving at.

Most times (as in lots of blitzes by characters) these blitzes are unquantified speedwise, but there is the scene with deathurge in which surfer mentions that he is faster than the speed of light while dodging, circling and then blasting deathurge at superspeed.



By perception im referring to something like being able to focus his vision on an electronic signal(which moves at near lightspeed). and then subsequently react to and follow its movements. To someone without superspeed perceptions the aforementioned signal would appear as less than a blur.




Such feats are pretty indicative of his combat as well as all round superspeed. As i mentioned before, without his board he may not be able to propel himself to such levels of locomotion , but the fact that his bodily movements,processing, and perception speed are able to to keep up with his aforementioned immense locomotion while on his board and facilitate complex superspeed battle manoevres shows all round top notch speed whichever way
you look at it.

Oh yeah and i do remember bills perception feats that u are referring to.

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.



IIRC, "B.A." wouldve won had it not been for that damn wabbit........




Tazer

Yeah he was definitely ahead of Runner and Mak, but I felt Mak would've pulled ahead like he did in that final stretch. Oh well.

Barring Buried Alien it's

Makkari
Runner
Gladiator

No one else that I can think of from Marvel comes close.

Originally posted by dmills
^^^ Iirc he was not around or else Frank would've saw him. He came outta nowhere. Sentry do so with utter ease now he doesn't have the quantifiable speed feats but I feel his portrayal has him capable of keeping up with or able to counter a blitz from practically anyone as just the Sentry.

They don't have to be quantified in the sense of the dialogue expressly saying "he's hitting him 100 times per second!" I trust that most of us are savvy enough to know a legit speed feat when we see it. Bob has them.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Sentry do so with utter ease now he doesn't have the quantifiable speed feats but I feel his portrayal has him capable of keeping up with or able to counter a blitz from practically anyone as just the Sentry.

Starhawk > sentry

Originally posted by inimalist
Starhawk > sentry Feel free to post some scans of Starhawk in action. That's an obscure cosmic character that I've always wanted to learn more about anyway

lol, I'm half talking shit to get attention for him...

give me a bit... being better than Sentry might be pushing it, but I still think, in terms of the OP, he is a better fit (ie: Sentry might win more out of 10, but in terms of a well rounded speedster, he fits the bill better)

Originally posted by inimalist
lol, I'm half talking shit to get attention for him...

give me a bit... being better than Sentry might be pushing it, but I still think, in terms of the OP, he is a better fit (ie: Sentry might win more out of 10, but in terms of a well rounded speedster, he fits the bill better) Cool

Originally posted by zopzop
In order :

1) Makkari (he beat the Runner and Buried Alien aka Flash )
2) Runner (he came in third, would have come in second but Buried Alien is faster than him)
3) Gladiator (he engaged Thor/FF/Iron Man at hyperlight speeds when they were using special devices designed by Reed) What has Makkari done combat speed wise? Last I saw him he was getting wtf pwned by Gilgamish.

Originally posted by Galan007
Gladiator resists a psychic attack, and begins his speedblitz:

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/2394/50988699.th.jpg http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2844/71744606.th.jpg

----

Gladiator continues his speedblitz/ownage:

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/8125/65500345.th.jpg http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7623/31317727.th.jpg

Originally posted by inimalist
Starhawk > sentry Sentry would own starhawk 8 ways to sunday.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Sentry would own starhawk 8 ways to sunday.

win? maybe

own? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Originally posted by inimalist
win? maybe

own? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Can you see Photon going rounds with Photon like the Sentry has ?

yes

starhawk has stood up to Krovak before

Originally posted by inimalist
yes

starhawk has stood up to Krovak before Not for long. Sentry showed no signs of getting beat and was even holding back whereas Korvac is just flat out more powerful and can easily kill Starhawk at any time.

Don't spam up my thread Quan. I'll have your eyes.

Originally posted by dmills
Don't spam up my thread Quan. I'll have your eyes. He is free to concede but he claimed Starhawk is in the same league as the Sentry. If hew wants to continue he can create the proper thread. The choice is his. If he responses though so will I.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He is free to concede but he claimed Starhawk is in the same league as the Sentry. If hew wants to continue he can create the proper thread. The choice is his. If he responses though so will I.

BZ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
He is free to concede but he claimed Starhawk is in the same league as the Sentry. If hew wants to continue he can create the proper thread. The choice is his. If he responses though so will I. Unless I'm mistaken he was originally referring to speed as it relates the the topic at hand. He elaborated that point here:

Originally posted by inimalist
lol, I'm half talking shit to get attention for him...

give me a bit... being better than Sentry might be pushing it, but I still think, in terms of the OP, he is a better fit (ie: Sentry might win more out of 10, but in terms of a well rounded speedster, he fits the bill better)

Now which eye are you willing to part with first?

Originally posted by dmills
Unless I'm mistaken he was originally referring to speed as it relates the the topic at hand. He elaborated that point here:

Now which eye are you willing to part with first?

yes, I was saying Starhawk is superior in terms of speed and how he uses it in fights (sorry for not posting anything yet...)

if quan wants to insist that Sentry is leagues above starhawk in terms of power or in a fight, I'll gladly BZ him. The challange is made.

Puck.

Originally posted by dmills
What has Makkari done combat speed wise? Last I saw him he was getting wtf pwned by Gilgamish.

If this is true, that's sad as hell. Mak moved so fast he SMOKED the Runner and was stuck at superspeed levels where everyone without hyperlight speed capability seemed like a statue!

But you do have a point, I don't recall anything "WOW" worthy concerning his combat speed.

Having said that let me reorder it according to what you were looking for dmills :

1) Runner (FTL speed and that Thanos speedblitz and Surfer beatdown were impressive combat speed feats)
2) Gladiator (FTL speed and that Black Celestial Arc feat of him conversing and battling beings moving at hyperlight speed because of a Richard's device was awesome)
3) Makkari (fastest travel speed but very few combat speed feats worth mentioning)

Originally posted by Naija boy
This isnt a vs battle firstly , and secondly surfer has never really fought thor himself using any form of superspeed blitzing tactic not that it matters. Bill being able to react to surfers attacks was pretty impressive and is evidence of his reactions certainly. However, reactions alone arent enough to put them in the same vein of speed as I intended to describe it. Furthermore, im sure you would be the first to claim that bills feats and thor feats arent interchangeable.

Okay? He was actively using hit and run tactics during the battle with Warlock IIRC. Fly really fast, zap, fly really fast was what he was doing.

So you believe even if they have similar reactions, they're not in the same vein because....of Surfer's maneuverability? Just curious.

Eh, I'm not going to be using it as a Thor feat or anything. Just pointing out that a Thor analogue matched Surfer while moving at trans light speed. It certainly doesn't hurt Thor's case as I doubt Bill's faster than the Odinson.

Originally posted by Naija boy
There is a difference yes. The difference being that Surfer is unable to generate the propulsion to perform these blitzes without the aid of his board. However his bodily movements, reactions, and perceptions still need to be top notch in order to keep up with the pace his board is moving at.

Where would you draw the line? How do you view Thor's flying? He has to actively change the direction of his hammer either physically or with his thoughts. Does that support his reaction capabilities in your book? Either way, Surfer actively doing something similar to punching an opponent incredibly fast, or processing something really fast is more impressive than the zap blitz imo.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Most times (as in lots of blitzes by characters) these blitzes are unquantified speedwise, but there is the scene with deathurge in which surfer mentions that he is faster than the speed of light while dodging, circling and then blasting deathurge at superspeed.

Well, there are scenes where Thor shows real maneuverability in flight and other scenes where Thor is actively engaged in combat with large enemies. There are times where Thor dodges and weaves while flying then acting and it's stated he has great speed etc. Actually, he did maybe a couple of times under Walter. Off the top of my head, there was the time with Surtur, maybe Fafnir etc.

Originally posted by Naija boy
By perception im referring to something like being able to focus his vision on an electronic signal(which moves at near lightspeed). and then subsequently react to and follow its movements. To someone without superspeed perceptions the aforementioned signal would appear as less than a blur.

Fair enough I guess. Thor has a feat where he punches at microsecond speed or some such.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Such feats are pretty indicative of his combat as well as all round superspeed. As i mentioned before, without his board he may not be able to propel himself to such levels of locomotion , but the fact that his bodily movements,processing, and perception speed are able to to keep up with his aforementioned immense locomotion while on his board and facilitate complex superspeed battle manoevres shows all round top notch speed whichever way
you look at it.

Oh yeah and i do remember bills perception feats that u are referring to.

Well, if Surfer can actively operate at such speeds, I guess it's impressive enough but tracking feats and thought processing feats are more impressive. If he can actively zap multiple targets in theory it shouldn't be different than Superman rebuilding something as he actively moves his arms in between targets. Course, comics are a bit illogical at times.

Originally posted by inimalist
yes, I was saying Starhawk is superior in terms of speed and how he uses it in fights (sorry for not posting anything yet...)

if quan wants to insist that Sentry is leagues above starhawk in terms of power or in a fight, I'll gladly BZ him. The challange is made. I was discussing overall in terms of a fight not in terms of speed alone.

Maybe in the future but I don't have access to the entire run of the gotg.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I was discussing overall in terms of a fight not in terms of speed alone.

Maybe in the future but I don't have access to the entire run of the gotg.

I have every starhawk appearance and would be glad to provide them to you

I think you vastly underestimate the power of the one who knows. sentry might beat him, but it isn't a stomp by any means (which has been my point all along really)

This may be a stupid question, but how does Sentry's whole 2 seconds in the future thing (or however long it was) play into this, if at all? Does that just mean limited pre-cog, or does it mean he's always faster, because he's that far ahead of people? Or is it just plain BS?

Originally posted by inimalist
I have every starhawk appearance and would be glad to provide them to you

I think you vastly underestimate the power of the one who knows. sentry might beat him, but it isn't a stomp by any means (which has been my point all along really) Pm me the gotg info by way of torrent then.

I think he's formidable yes but the Sentry's power levels were off the charts. I think him busting loose would really tear into starhawk but anyways I digress as I don't want to derail this into another mini debate and cause dmills to break into tears.

Guys, no more talk about downloads, please.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Okay? He was actively using hit and run tactics during the battle with Warlock IIRC. Fly really fast, zap, fly really fast was what he was doing.

So you believe even if they have similar reactions, they're not in the same vein because....of Surfer's maneuverability? Just curious.


The hit and run tactics you are describing are not at all analogous to the blitzes im talking about which involve a prolonged barrage of multiple attacks in quicksuccession at superspeed speeds. That tangential to this entire discussion however.

Oh and its due to surfers manoevrability in combat (Surfer actually does perfrom blitzes, BRB doesnt) as well as mental perception and processing speeds



It does support it certainly to an extent, but the key thing is application within combat in order to carry out attacks like blitzes etc. which surfer has shown. When surfer is zapping opponents with blasts he is directing his blasts with his arms i.e moving them in conjunction with his superspeed board propulsion. In order to co-ordinate such attacks, his bodily movements thus have to be at an extremely high speed. Moreover given that surfer is a blaster not a puncher, it is as legitimate as any of the other types of feats you mentioned. Even then, he does also have extremely good processing feats as well.



I believe i know the scenes ur referring to but they arent surfer level combat manovrability even while not being unimpressive.





Tracking feats and thought processing feats are indeed more impressive i would say for the very reason that many of them can be quantified. i.e Surfers electronic signal feat, Surfer processing a milleniums worth of info etc. I agree on the last part of your post since its the same physical movement being carried out. And while i dont expect surfer to be seen rebuilding things physically anytime soon (matter manipulation makes that unneessary), i believe he has been shown to utilize such speed in combat just fine.

^Naija, how fast do you feel Surfer's punching speed is?

Processing speeds has to factor into motor response time on some level.

For example, if Quicksilver was punching Surfer as many times a second as he could, do you feel Surfer would be able to catch his fists?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Guys, no more talk about downloads, please.

I'll download you!!!

Originally posted by -K-M-
I'll download you!!!

Sounds kinky.

Originally posted by Simbon
This may be a stupid question, but how does Sentry's whole 2 seconds in the future thing (or however long it was) play into this, if at all? Does that just mean limited pre-cog, or does it mean he's always faster, because he's that far ahead of people? Or is it just plain BS?

It's bullshit that has never been shown or referenced since his origin.

Cosmic: Easily. Surfer is more than capable of doing that. He's actually got enough speed to compete and not die right away against Superman, even if Supes is better at using it and faster in combat.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
It's bullshit that has never been shown or referenced since his origin.


Ha! I thought as much.

Originally posted by Simbon
Ha! I thought as much. Yeah. As far as I know it was never really explored.

Timeslip
The Runner
Quick Silver
Gladiator
Silver Surfer
Nova
Sentry
Makkari
Northstar

Originally posted by inimalist
to the sun in seconds, eh? (EDIT: he didn't rip Carnage in half near the sun, just in orbit, are you mixing up 2 feats?)

thats not bad...

still, Starhawk

Hmmm... To the sun and back by the time The Sphinx yells "Noooo".

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_2011-04-07143719.jpg http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_2011-04-07144008.jpg

Originally posted by Blind Sider
Timeslip I'll be damned. Now there's a blast from the past. The last New Warrior. Good times.

Originally posted by inimalist
I have every starhawk appearance and would be glad to provide them to you

I think you vastly underestimate the power of the one who knows. sentry might beat him, but it isn't a stomp by any means (which has been my point all along really) I'm still waiting for those Starhawk speed feats damnit

Originally posted by dmills
I'm still waiting for those Starhawk speed feats damnit

ah... tonight, I'm at work

Originally posted by inimalist
ah... tonight, I'm at work Ok Carver

Originally posted by dmills
Hmmm... To the sun and back by the time The Sphinx yells "Noooo".

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_2011-04-07143719.jpg http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/th_2011-04-07144008.jpg

Exactly how close to the sun was he supposed to be?

Looks pretty close to me. That and looking at the alternative possibilities, it makes the most logical sense.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
^Naija, how fast do you feel Surfer's punching speed is?

Processing speeds has to factor into motor response time on some level.

For example, if Quicksilver was punching Surfer as many times a second as he could, do you feel Surfer would be able to catch his fists?

I do feel he would be able to intercept them for sure. He has some pretty impressive and undeniable feats when his speed is emphasized.

Originally posted by dmills
I'm still waiting for those Starhawk speed feats damnit

ok, so just going by speed, his best feat is this one, which is great because it is also a combat feat. If need be, I can expand this point, but unlike a lot of the characters who are fast but more brawler or whatever, Starhawk is strictly a speed character, and his MO is to accelerate to FTL then blast at his opponents.

anyways, it says he goes instantly to lightspeed than increases it through "geometric compounding". if lightspeed = c, than "geometric compounding would be: c + cx + cx^2 + cx^3... etc. Taken with the "multi-erg" (which is a measure of power, like joules), we probably shouldn't try to figure out a quantifiable value, but it is clear that he very quickly can accelerate to multiple times the speed of light:

http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/5649/guardiansofthegalaxy620.th.jpg

(notice, he is invisible to the pathbreakers sensors. These are good sensors. In the issue that immediatly preceded the one this scan is from, Starhawk was moving FTL when the robot attacked him. This means the robot CAN sense things FTL, but Starhawk now is moving so much beyond that)

Here we see his ability to dodge at FTL:

http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/4230/marveltwoinone061outrac.th.jpg

and he is quick enough to punk Mantis in h2h:

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/2027/30524715.th.jpghttp://img857.imageshack.us/img857/3108/31660746.th.jpg

So, not just travel speed, but dodging and reflexes are incredibly fast.

I think Quan is going to take me up on the BZ, so if you want I can expand on the other stuff, like his durability, strength, healing, attacks, precog, awareness, intangibility, etc, but, you know, nice to keep some aces up the sleeve, and I'm lazy... so lazy....

but ya, with all his other powers, and his style of FTL combat in normal situations, he is a definate competator when considering who is the most effective speedster. My use of Starhawk in the tournament included him as a FTL medic, which by itself is AWESOME. Considering Starhawk can take blows from Mjolnir....

so ya, save turning this into a "respect the one who knows" thread, let me know what else you want to see.

Originally posted by dmills
Ok Carver

no, you are right, I should keep that stuff on me. I'm sure my boss would understand. I mean, its arguing about superheroes on the internet!

Originally posted by inimalist
ok, so just going by speed, his best feat is this one, which is great because it is also a combat feat. If need be, I can expand this point, but unlike a lot of the characters who are fast but more brawler or whatever, Starhawk is strictly a speed character, and his MO is to accelerate to FTL then blast at his opponents.

anyways, it says he goes instantly to lightspeed than increases it through "geometric compounding". if lightspeed = c, than "geometric compounding would be: c + cx + cx^2 + cx^3... etc. Taken with the "multi-erg" (which is a measure of power, like joules), we probably shouldn't try to figure out a quantifiable value, but it is clear that he very quickly can accelerate to multiple times the speed of light:

http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/5649/guardiansofthegalaxy620.th.jpg

(notice, he is invisible to the pathbreakers sensors. These are good sensors. In the issue that immediatly preceded the one this scan is from, Starhawk was moving FTL when the robot attacked him. This means the robot CAN sense things FTL, but Starhawk now is moving so much beyond that)

Here we see his ability to dodge at FTL:

http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/4230/marveltwoinone061outrac.th.jpg

and he is quick enough to punk Mantis in h2h:

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/2027/30524715.th.jpghttp://img857.imageshack.us/img857/3108/31660746.th.jpg

So, not just travel speed, but dodging and reflexes are incredibly fast.

I think Quan is going to take me up on the BZ, so if you want I can expand on the other stuff, like his durability, strength, healing, attacks, precog, awareness, intangibility, etc, but, you know, nice to keep some aces up the sleeve, and I'm lazy... so lazy....

but ya, with all his other powers, and his style of FTL combat in normal situations, he is a definate competator when considering who is the most effective speedster. My use of Starhawk in the tournament included him as a FTL medic, which by itself is AWESOME. Considering Starhawk can take blows from Mjolnir....

so ya, save turning this into a "respect the one who knows" thread, let me know what else you want to see.



no, you are right, I should keep that stuff on me. I'm sure my boss would understand. I mean, its arguing about superheroes on the internet!

Good stuff

I hope to see that BZ. Should be good.

Originally posted by inimalist
Sentry's best speed feat is catching a sniper bullet? the same type of sniper bullet that street levelers dodge without breaking a sweat?

it was a skrull rifle

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Well, its definitely impressive for his sensory abilities then, but we don't know by how much, as we don't know how far away he was. Which in turn means we have no idea how fast he was going.

I doubt he was out in space or anything though. lol.

sentry could hear a hummingbird or some other animal in Africa from the US, thus he could of been continents apart

sentry's pretty fast imo faster than light

Originally posted by inimalist
Sentry's best speed feat is catching a sniper bullet? the same type of sniper bullet that street levelers dodge without breaking a sweat? He has flown to the sun in moments when fighting the Collective, he also flew to Jupiter in a couple panels.

Originally posted by ankur29
it was a skrull rifle

so we have even less knowledge about how fast the bullet would be?



Originally posted by Mindset
He has flown to the sun in moments when fighting the Collective, he also flew to Jupiter in a couple panels.

ya, people have pointed that out to me already

Originally posted by inimalist
so we have even less knowledge about how fast the bullet would be?

it was at least as fast as a normal sniper bullet. also, sentry was not near osborn when the shot was made.

Originally posted by inimalist
Sentry's best speed feat is catching a sniper bullet? the same type of sniper bullet that street levelers dodge without breaking a sweat?

Not quantifiable but he's flown to other planets / stars in the span of a few panels. I think he traveled to other Galaxies in a similar time frame but I'm not sure that was canon, it was a bed time story for Franklin Richards or something.

Originally posted by inimalist


ya, people have pointed that out to me already But I'm the only one whose words you respect.

Originally posted by inimalist
ok, so just going by speed, his best feat is this one, which is great because it is also a combat feat. If need be, I can expand this point, but unlike a lot of the characters who are fast but more brawler or whatever, Starhawk is strictly a speed character, and his MO is to accelerate to FTL then blast at his opponents.

anyways, it says he goes instantly to lightspeed than increases it through "geometric compounding". if lightspeed = c, than "geometric compounding would be: c + cx + cx^2 + cx^3... etc. Taken with the "multi-erg" (which is a measure of power, like joules), we probably shouldn't try to figure out a quantifiable value, but it is clear that he very quickly can accelerate to multiple times the speed of light:

http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/5649/guardiansofthegalaxy620.th.jpg

(notice, he is invisible to the pathbreakers sensors. These are good sensors. In the issue that immediatly preceded the one this scan is from, Starhawk was moving FTL when the robot attacked him. This means the robot CAN sense things FTL, but Starhawk now is moving so much beyond that)

Here we see his ability to dodge at FTL:

http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/4230/marveltwoinone061outrac.th.jpg

and he is quick enough to punk Mantis in h2h:

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/2027/30524715.th.jpghttp://img857.imageshack.us/img857/3108/31660746.th.jpg

So, not just travel speed, but dodging and reflexes are incredibly fast.

I think Quan is going to take me up on the BZ, so if you want I can expand on the other stuff, like his durability, strength, healing, attacks, precog, awareness, intangibility, etc, but, you know, nice to keep some aces up the sleeve, and I'm lazy... so lazy....

but ya, with all his other powers, and his style of FTL combat in normal situations, he is a definate competator when considering who is the most effective speedster. My use of Starhawk in the tournament included him as a FTL medic, which by itself is AWESOME. Considering Starhawk can take blows from Mjolnir....

so ya, save turning this into a "respect the one who knows" thread, let me know what else you want to see.


Idk.

I'm not quite convinced on this.

-The first scan is great. Accelerating to lightspeed 'instantly' is rare. A lot of characters have to build up speed. And he's clearly able to maneuver himself while flying at said compounding speeds so clearly his processing speeds are enormous. If this is indicative of his 'average' then he's very much a contender.

-Second scan, Ben Grimm dodged the same blast. It can't be FTL.

-Last set doesn't look good. Mantis was able to land a kick on him and dodge one of his blows. Pre-cog is not a good explanation for this, if he's fast enough, pre-cog would be useless. He couldn't dodge a shield bash either.

.

IIRC, Starhawk had a very good showing against Korvac, and at one point, held his own against Thor!

But yea, that was before they-Marvel- messed with the character's history etc. Seemed to take a downhill from what I remember.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
-Second scan, Ben Grimm dodged the same blast. It can't be FTL.

no he doesn't, Her blasts the flying bike thing he is on, and Starhawk says he is able to outrace light as he dodges. The implication seems clear...

Originally posted by CosmicComet
-Last set doesn't look good. Mantis was able to land a kick on him and dodge one of his blows. Pre-cog is not a good explanation for this, if he's fast enough, pre-cog would be useless. He couldn't dodge a shield bash either.

no speedster doesn't get hit in comics... and Starhawk has relatively poor fighting skills anyways.

That he is fast enough to beat Mantis and Astro (in a situation where he isn't really trying to fight them in the first place) shows he has very good reflexes /shrug

Originally posted by Starscream M
it was at least as fast as a normal sniper bullet.

we dont know that at all...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Not quantifiable but he's flown to other planets / stars in the span of a few panels. I think he traveled to other Galaxies in a similar time frame but I'm not sure that was canon, it was a bed time story for Franklin Richards or something.

jeez, I hit a collective nerve or something here...

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
IIRC, Starhawk had a very good showing against Korvac, and at one point, held his own against Thor!

vs Korvac

http://img807.imageshack.us/img807/7540/avengers16801.th.jpghttp://img577.imageshack.us/img577/633/avengers16802.th.jpghttp://img43.imageshack.us/img43/8695/avengers16803.th.jpghttp://img684.imageshack.us/img684/8572/avengers16804.th.jpghttp://img838.imageshack.us/img838/9192/avengers16805.th.jpghttp://img818.imageshack.us/img818/2928/avengers16806.th.jpg

vs Thor

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/9538/thor26601.th.jpghttp://img716.imageshack.us/img716/7778/thor26602.th.jpghttp://img859.imageshack.us/img859/7435/thor26603.th.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
But yea, that was before they-Marvel- messed with the character's history etc. Seemed to take a downhill from what I remember.

things got sort of weird by the end of the first run of GotG, but in the more recent one, they did some interesting things with him, and stories about `timeslines`can always be cool, or totally confusing and BS

Originally posted by inimalist
vs Korvac

http://img807.imageshack.us/img807/7540/avengers16801.th.jpghttp://img577.imageshack.us/img577/633/avengers16802.th.jpghttp://img43.imageshack.us/img43/8695/avengers16803.th.jpghttp://img684.imageshack.us/img684/8572/avengers16804.th.jpghttp://img838.imageshack.us/img838/9192/avengers16805.th.jpghttp://img818.imageshack.us/img818/2928/avengers16806.th.jpg

vs Thor

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/9538/thor26601.th.jpghttp://img716.imageshack.us/img716/7778/thor26602.th.jpghttp://img859.imageshack.us/img859/7435/thor26603.th.jpg



things got sort of weird by the end of the first run of GotG, but in the more recent one, they did some interesting things with him, and stories about `timeslines`can always be cool, or totally confusing and BS

Have a question.

During one of Star Hawk latest runs, why did he transform into Gladiator as a disguise?

He did better vs Korvac than he did vs Thor!

Anyway, are we allowed to use obscure characters? Because if so, Tachyon is my new choice.

Originally posted by carver9
Have a question.

During one of Star Hawk latest runs, why did he transform into Gladiator as a disguise?

... I'm not sure when that happened, was it the recent GotG run?

I wasn't actually aware he could transform... he is a light manipulator, so appearing different isn't technically outside of his powerset, I suppose.

if you remember anything else about the book you are talkin about, let me know

Originally posted by inimalist
vs Korvac

http://img807.imageshack.us/img807/7540/avengers16801.th.jpghttp://img577.imageshack.us/img577/633/avengers16802.th.jpghttp://img43.imageshack.us/img43/8695/avengers16803.th.jpghttp://img684.imageshack.us/img684/8572/avengers16804.th.jpghttp://img838.imageshack.us/img838/9192/avengers16805.th.jpghttp://img818.imageshack.us/img818/2928/avengers16806.th.jpg

vs Thor

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/9538/thor26601.th.jpghttp://img716.imageshack.us/img716/7778/thor26602.th.jpghttp://img859.imageshack.us/img859/7435/thor26603.th.jpg



things got sort of weird by the end of the first run of GotG, but in the more recent one, they did some interesting things with him, and stories about `timeslines`can always be cool, or totally confusing and BS

Obscure non popular character? Check
Cosmic? Check
Versatile power set? Check
Fought Korvac on every plane of reality including astral? Check
Stalmated Thor physically? Check

Yeah he fits the qualifications of a dmills favorite character. I'm going hunting for everything Starhawk related.

you forgot to add he was written by Steve Gerber