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Odin is pissed and he is ready to rid these 2 immediately. He is bringing everything to the table in this fight. Even though he is pissed, he is fighting smart... using all of his exotic abilities.

Can the duo stop a angry Odin that is ready to finish them off immediately.

Odin has all of his standard weapons.

While you could argue Odin getting the majority on either of them, he's not soloing both of them.

Which Darkseid are we using.

For instances is this Final Crisis, or one if not his strongest incarnation in the The Great Darkness Saga, and does he have prep.

Honestly if this is The Great Darkness Saga, plus prep. Odin would be hard press of winning this fight, let alone coming out of it without his other eye been plucked out.

team 2 wins
if its PC Darkseid team 2 stomps/spite

Its standard Darkseid.

Odin can take the majority given the stips.

That's what I was thinking as well.

Darkseid sends him into the Omega Sanction.

Unless the Destroyer Armor is involved, he don't get more than 1 on 10.

Is this like current depowered Odin? If not, a lot of statements here are off.

if this fight happens odin is really and literally going to be pissed on by those 2

This isn't current Odin.

Then how does the team win?

According to Carver, this is standard Darkseid and unfortunately, I'd rank him below Thanos in modern continuity. Even assuming that Odin will go no higher in power -and he can, noticeably so, which is something people seem to often forget weirdly enough- than he did in his fight with Thanos or use more exotic abilities, why would adding a less powerful and less durable opponent than Thanos change much?

It's like the difference between one 10 year old taking an adult and aforementioned battle with an 8 year old backing the first child. Does it really make a difference?

Together they could singe base Odin's beard.

.......

Maybe.

Lol... I agree with Rage.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Then how does the team win?

According to Carver, this is standard Darkseid and unfortunately, I'd rank him below Thanos in modern continuity. Even assuming that Odin will go no higher in power -and he can, noticeably so, which is something people seem to often forget weirdly enough- than he did in his fight with Thanos or use more exotic abilities, why would adding a less powerful and less durable opponent than Thanos change much?

It's like the difference between one 10 year old taking an adult and aforementioned battle with an 8 year old backing the first child. Does it really make a difference?

Together they could singe base Odin's beard.

.......

Maybe.
*insert ants, lot of them*

The question becomes what is "Standard Darkseid". JKFW, Rock of Ages, Batman/Superman, Countdown, DOTNG, Genesis, New Gods title etc

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
*insert ants, lot of them*

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Originally posted by carver9
Lol... I agree with Rage.

While DS power can vary depending on the story. "Singeing Odin's Beard at best" is hyperbolic.

Originally posted by Allankles
The question becomes what is "Standard Darkseid". JKFW, Rock of Ages, Batman/Superman, Countdown, DOTNG, Genesis, New Gods title etc Looks like you just named a bunch of different storylines with the same dude.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Looks like you just named a bunch of different storylines with the same dude.

Aha.

Originally posted by Allankles
While DS power can vary depending on the story. "Singeing Odin's Beard at best" is hyperbolic.

Agreed.

I'm giving Darkseid too much credit. He probably couldn't even singe Superman's beard at this point.

The useless f*ck.

Thanos solos no matter how angry or depressed Odin is.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos solos

Like he did in Warlock and the Infinity Watch #25?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Like he did in Warlock and the Infinity Watch #25?



Thanos has changed since (imperative) then and both were ready for more.

darkseid would own odin,ds omega beams cant be evaded or atleast i havent seen someone evade em

^ They've been deflected, though. IIRC, Wondy's bracers and Supes' heat vision have been able to. The Infinity Man deflected them with ease. I don't see why someone on Odin's level wouldn't be able to do the same.

Odin atleast 7/10

Originally posted by Harbinger
^ They've been deflected, though. IIRC, Wondy's bracers and Supes' heat vision have been able to. The Infinity Man deflected them with ease. I don't see why someone on Odin's level wouldn't be able to do the same.

Wondy's bracers isn't a low showing. Odin can't break that shield either. Heat Vision is PIS.

And no. Infinity Man has blocked the beams. The beams are NOT the Omega Effect. Big difference.

Originally posted by CHUMZWOLF
darkseid would own odin,ds omega beams cant be evaded or atleast i havent seen someone evade em Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Wondy's bracers isn't a low showing. Odin can't break that shield either. Heat Vision is PIS.

And no. Infinity Man has blocked the beams. The beams are NOT the Omega Effect. Big difference. He said beams so once again you're wrong.

Odin wins, Thanos was never a real threat.

Quan: There is a huge difference between the beams and the effect. The Effect is much more powerful. And even Infinity Man can't stop the effect.

Originally posted by CHUMZWOLF
darkseid would own odin,ds omega beams cant be evaded or atleast i havent seen someone evade em Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Quan: There is a huge difference between the beams and the effect. The Effect is much more powerful. And even Infinity Man can't stop the effect. That's irrelevant to his statement. He said beams and superman has deflected the omega effect anyways.

Ok he said beams. I didn't argue with that. And deflecting the OE? That's Apokolips now, that showing is PIS.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ok he said beams. I didn't argue with that. And deflecting the OE? That's Apokolips now, that showing is PIS. I disagree and have seen the beams deflected multiple times as well. the writer chooses the terminology but I personally don't see the difference between the two.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I disagree and have seen the beams deflected multiple times as well. the writer chooses the terminology but I personally don't see the difference between the two.

The difference is the Omega Effect is the reality warping ability to erase a being from existence, such that they were never born. The beams are just a tool, a means to deliver said Omega Effect.

More often than not he just sprays his disintegration beams, any being with super durability can resist those for a time.

Originally posted by Allankles
The difference is the Omega Effect is the reality warping ability to erase a being from existence, such that they were never born. The beams are just a tool, a means to deliver said Omega Effect.

More often than not he just sprays his disintegration beams, any being with super durability can resist those for a time. It's obvious the writers sometimes apply the same application or meaning of this whether they use the word beams or effect. That's the point.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's obvious the writers sometimes apply the same application or meaning of this whether they use the word beams or effect. That's the point.

And those writers clearly don't know what they're talking about. This is stuff that was established by the characters creators, if a writer uses terms that are not congruent with the actual abilities used, they're simply wrong.

The totality of his power is called the Omega Force, yet some writers call it the Omega Effect. The Omega Effect is a specific ability, not the name of his power source. To further expound on that Kirby specifically describes it as "The end of the end" or "the total wipe-out".

Originally posted by Allankles
And those writers clearly don't know what they're talking about. This is stuff that was established by the characters creators, if a writer uses terms that are not congruent with the actual abilities used, they're simply wrong.

The totality of his power is called the Omega Force, yet some writers call it the Omega Effect. The Omega Effect is a specific ability, not the name of his power source. To further expound on that Kirby specifically describes it as "The end of the end" or "the total wipe-out". It's you who are wrong. The writers have more say and their stuff is canon not your opinion.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's you who are wrong. The writers have more say and their stuff is canon not your opinion.

I'm talking about canon, not my opinion. Every writer that knew their source material used the right terms. Certainly guys like Bryne did and he was a huge part of the New Gods with JKFW. He also did Generations in 2002 or so, and used the terms as they were used by character's creator.

It's not rocket science, if you use the wrong terms, you're using the wrong terms.

Once the beam hits you, he could just switch to the OE. He doesn't have to keep shooting his Omega Beam. The thing is, the finder beam looks alot like the Omega Beam. Whichever one hits you is up to him. Darkseid alone is the only one who knows whether you're being hit by the beam or the effect. As shown when he desintegrated Kanto, just because you saw one, doesn't mean he didn't use the other.

It turned out he used the Omega Effect to send Kanto into the past, while making it look like he used the beams. So unless you see the effect, or he calls it out, don't assume which it is.

Basically, unless you see the wipeout, or he says he's doing something other than shooting a beam, it's probably the Omega Beams, not the effect.

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mhmm

Originally posted by Silent Master
Odin wins, Thanos was never a real threat.

Funny enough, Odin words contradict this statement. What narration are u referring to that backs this up?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Once the beam hits you, he could just switch to the OE. He doesn't have to keep shooting his Omega Beam. The thing is, the finder beam looks alot like the Omega Beam. Whichever one hits you is up to him. Darkseid alone is the only one who knows whether you're being hit by the beam or the effect. As shown when he desintegrated Kanto, just because you saw one, doesn't mean he didn't use the other.

It turned out he used the Omega Effect to send Kanto into the past, while making it look like he used the beams. So unless you see the effect, or he calls it out, don't assume which it is.

Basically, unless you see the wipeout, or he says he's doing something other than shooting a beam, it's probably the Omega Beams, not the effect.



Most heroes have never even tasted the OE, otherwise the stories would be over in a panel or two.

What did the fight show? Odin killing Thanos for the win? Nope. Odin KOing Thanos for the win? Nope. Thanos verbally tapping and not wanting to continue? Nope. So what about the fight contradicted the narration from ODIN'S OWN MOUTH? Ya know the whole... I haven't had a fight like this in EONS.. along with other narration you should be well aware of by now. So please, point me to the narration that says Thanos was no thread to Odin? Which is even funnier considering Thanos made Odin his ***** with prep and planning after. So clearly, he was a threat then and after.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
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mhmm

Ok. The first 5 are during OWAW. Darkseid had used a massive amount of power to help break Imperiex Prime's armor. And those are obviously the beams, as per the rule I stated. Not a low showing.

#6 is Apokolips Now. That showing is PIS.

#7 is Countdown. I'm ashamed of you. Bringing up Countdown? Hell, that's the beam right there again.

The last 3 are once again, the beams. And yeah, Infinity Man deflected them. But he still gets bitched out by his brother every time they've had an actual fight. And he's lost twice to the effect.

^Are you sure his Omega Effect/Beams were weakened? And how do you decide whether or not it's the Omega Effect? I'm also missing a scan when there are on New Genisis and Darkseid strikes Clark with them for the first time.

I said it before, and I'll say it again, that was Starlin being Starlin. Thanos' reservoirs are not nearly as limitless as Odin's, Thanos is not a foe unlike any Odin has fought in eons. This is not a matter of opinion. We know it to not be true. Christ, even the fight itself doesn't support it. It was about 6 pages of at significantly lower levels than his full power -base level Odin- beating the crap out of Thanos.

Call it hyperbole, bullshit or whatever you want, I don't particularly care. Just don't use it to put Thanos on a pedestal we know he isn't on.

I'm betting the same people who harp on the dialogue would refuse to acknowledge Warlock and co. pointing out that the fight was finally over.

Those scans just go to show you that no one has ever written a good conflict between Supes and DS. It's either Darkseid pwning Supes in a panel or two in Super Powers, DOTNG and the like or those encounters in Confidential, Apokolips Now etc And he didn't even hit Supes with the OE once in all those fights.

To think that it took an animated series to really produce a great story between the two is a shame to the comic writers. The only thing that comes close was Superman: The Darkside and that was Elseworld.

Probably the team. Odin isn't beating Thanos and Seid.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Obviously was because after that fight he made odin his b1tch with ease and had him at his mercy. So clearly, he was a threat when he could've easily killed him. Not a threat... Not only is that contradicted by their fight but also after when Thanos owned him with a basic plan. It was that easy.

At no point in that fight was Thanos a threat.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ok. The first 5 are during OWAW. Darkseid had used a massive amount of power to help break Imperiex Prime's armor. And those are obviously the beams, as per the rule I stated. Not a low showing.

#6 is Apokolips Now. That showing is PIS.

#7 is Countdown. I'm ashamed of you. Bringing up Countdown? Hell, that's the beam right there again.

The last 3 are once again, the beams. And yeah, Infinity Man deflected them. But he still gets bitched out by his brother every time they've had an actual fight. And he's lost twice to the effect.
So 2/3 of these showings are completely legitimate outside of your own opinion?

Originally posted by Allankles
I'm talking about canon, not my opinion. Every writer that knew their source material used the right terms. Certainly guys like Bryne did and he was a huge part of the New Gods with JKFW. He also did Generations in 2002 or so, and used the terms as they were used by character's creator.

It's not rocket science, if you use the wrong terms, you're using the wrong terms. Wrong. The writer can define these terms however they want to not you. You always want to pick and choose what counts and what doesn't. That to me suggests a high amount of bias.

Originally posted by Silent Master
At no point in that fight was Thanos a threat. This

OE just aint what it used to be. I find it plausible that Odin can defend himself from it as he is more powerfull than regular DS overall.

as for the battle, team prolly wins, but odin might take on of them with him.

Originally posted by Silent Master
At no point in that fight was Thanos a threat.

QFT.

I think team wins, but concerning that fight? Thanos looked like dog-crap at the end of the encounter whereas Odin was more or less like "Come at me, bro!"

Originally posted by King Kandy
So 2/3 of these showings are completely legitimate outside of your own opinion?

Legit? Sure. But they should be discussed in context. Not used to lowball. Or used to mistaken lowball the OE.

Originally posted by Silent Master
At no point in that fight was Thanos a threat.

So one fight determines a threat to you. You made the GENERAL statement that Thanos is no threat to Odin. Yet, didn't Thanos have Odin drug'd and at his mercy with the most basic of plans? He could've killed Odin with ease and had him in a coma like state to do what he wanted. So clearly when you can make someone ur b1tch and have them at your mercy.. you are a threat to them.. So your general sweeping statement just got sh1t on.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So one fight determines a threat to you. You made the GENERAL statement that Thanos is no threat to Odin. Yet, didn't Thanos have Odin drug'd and at his mercy with the most basic of plans? He could've killed Odin with ease and had him in a coma like state to do what he wanted. So clearly when you can make someone ur b1tch and have them at your mercy.. you are a threat to them.. So your general sweeping statement just got sh1t on.

That was a Thanosi who had prep. I'm pretty sure mostly everyone would agree that Thanos with prep/a plan could beat or almost beat an unsuspecting Odin. Said Thanosi believed Odin beat Thanos, too.

Still, that fight didn't support Thanos = Odin at all. I'll agree that Thanos has gotten better since then, but enough to stand equal to Odin or surpass him? That's debatable, either way. Darkseid's pretty tricky, though, and the team working together should win, imo.

Equal? Ha. Not at all. Odin was beating the shit out of Thanos. He'd have to get a hell of a boost of power to become his equal and I don't believe such a boost has been shown.

And I'm only talking about Odin at his weakest levels.

I still don't understand why you think the team would win. Surely you don't think Darkseid at standard levels is above Thanos? Even if he was on par, throwing in another punching bag would change little. On top of that, Odin can become much more powerful, easily eclipsing whatever power Darkseid would add.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So one fight determines a threat to you. You made the GENERAL statement that Thanos is no threat to Odin. Yet, didn't Thanos have Odin drug'd and at his mercy with the most basic of plans? He could've killed Odin with ease and had him in a coma like state to do what he wanted. So clearly when you can make someone ur b1tch and have them at your mercy.. you are a threat to them.. So your general sweeping statement just got sh1t on.

The Thanos clone spent months drugging Odin. On top of that, Odin was severely weakened/drained and still resisted the effects.

I guess the memories the clone had taught him a lesson: Don't face Odin head on.

And killing Odin is harder than you'd guess.

I can see why people would claim Thanos is now on Odin's level - assuming he's not been nerfed by Fraction, but if the previews for Fear Itself #2 is any indicator, I don't think he's been significantly weakened as it appears he's recreating classic Asgard - but I don't personally subscribe to that theory. I think Thanos is hard to knock out and nigh impossible to kill, but as far as his damage output, I don't think he's in Odin's class.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I still don't understand why you think the team would win. Surely you don't think Darkseid at standard levels is above Thanos? Even if he was on par, throwing in another punching bag would change little. On top of that, Odin can become much more powerful, easily eclipsing whatever power Darkseid would add.

Mostly a number's kind of game, really. I think Odin has more raw power than the team, but they are both pretty tough and able to endure a lot. While I don't believe Darkseid to be some kind of multiversal terror under standard levels, I do believe he's powerful enough to be a threat to Odin (though Odin would win ultimately, imo), especially if he has the Mad Titan to soak up damage for him. Under these stips, though, I think they only net a slight majority at best.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I can see why people would claim Thanos is now on Odin's level - assuming he's not been nerfed by Fraction, but if the previews for Fear Itself #2 is any indicator, I don't think he's been significantly weakened as it appears he's recreating classic Asgard - but I don't personally subscribe to that theory. I think Thanos is hard to knock out and nigh impossible to kill, but as far as his damage output, I don't think he's in Odin's class.

You're referring to current Odin? Yea, his weakened. He even died severely weakened and hasn't entered an Odin sleep yet.

He still possesses significant raw power clearly and mystical abilities however. He was beating the shit out of that Universal level deity. Durability took a dive though.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You're referring to current Odin? Yea, his weakened. He even died severely weakened and hasn't entered an Odin sleep yet.

He still possesses significant raw power clearly and mystical abilities however. He was beating the shit out of that Universal level deity. Durability took a dive though.

Yeah, that's assuming Fraction puts two and two together and gets four, though. I'm cautious, but I feel we'll probably see Odin job in this arc to the Serpent or something.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That was a Thanosi who had prep. I'm pretty sure mostly everyone would agree that Thanos with prep/a plan could beat or almost beat an unsuspecting Odin. Said Thanosi believed Odin beat Thanos, too.

Still, that fight didn't support Thanos = Odin at all. I'll agree that Thanos has gotten better since then, but enough to stand equal to Odin or surpass him? That's debatable, either way. Darkseid's pretty tricky, though, and the team working together should win, imo.

I never made a claim that Thanos equal to Odin now or then. I'm ripping apart Silent statment that Thanos is NO threat to Odin. Like you say, If Thanos is a master at prep and powerful.. he would ALWAYS be a threat to Odin. Which was shown when Odin was at a clones mercy and it was that easy. Thus clearly, Thanos is a threat to Odin.

If you mean a threat in general, then yea, Thanos is a threat. His a Universal level threat with prep.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You're referring to current Odin? Yea, his weakened. He even died severely weakened and hasn't entered an Odin sleep yet.

He still possesses significant raw power clearly and mystical abilities however. He was beating the shit out of that Universal level deity. Durability took a dive though.

It took a huge dive friend huge. Current Odin gets beat by Thanos right?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If you mean a threat in general, then yea, Thanos is a threat. His a Universal level threat with prep.

Yup that is what I mean. I never claimed his was his equal then.. now... We shall see.

Well I guess Batman would also be a threat to Odin

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It took a huge dive friend huge. Current Odin gets beat by Thanos right?

I don't know. His still crazy powerful, more so Thanos.

Under these stips Odin wins.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Since you missed it, Prep is what people use when they aren't a threat in a straight fight.


That's not always true, especially not for Thanos.

Thanos used prep to defeat the Grandmaster and take his gem. Does that mean Thanos at that time was no threat to Grandmaster? Obviously not because right after Thanos outsmarted him, he fully admitted he could of forcefully taken the gem instead of outsmarting Grandmaster. He only chose to do so out of enjoyment.

I should believe Thanos, why?

Originally posted by Silent Master
I should believe Thanos, why?

Why should you believe Thanos?

Because he had five infinity gems and he said he could of easily used them to take the last sixth one. But he chose not to because outsmarting the Elder was funner.

Originally posted by vince_slice
No I'm simply refuting your statement saying that when ever someone preps for a fight it means he's weaker. I gave you an example of why that's not always the case, especially not for Thanos.

You're aware that his standard equipment doesn't include 5 Infintity gems, which means he had prep before that fight....IOW, you just posted an example that helps my argument.

Good job.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You're aware that his standard equipment doesn't include 5 Infintity gems, which means he had prep before that fight....IOW, you just posted an example that helps my argument.

Good job.



You do realize that your statement that whenever someone preps for a fight, it means he's weaker has been refuted right?

He was weaker, that's why he was collecting the gems in the first place.

Originally posted by Silent Master
He was weaker, that's why he was collecting the gems in the first place.

You said if someone preps for a fight, it means he's weaker or is no threat in a straight fight.

Thanos had five infinity gems and could of easily destroyed the Grandmaster to take the sixth gem.

Instead, Thanos chose not to use any of the gems and chose to outsmart the Grandmaster using prep for fun.

With your logic it means Thanos with five infinity gems is no threat to the Grandmaster because he used prep.

He planned to get the gems before he actually got any of them...IOW, when he was weaker. Thus my point stands.

Originally posted by Silent Master
He planned to get the gems before he actually got any of them...IOW, when he was weaker. Thus my point stands.

Yeah too bad the prep he used against Grandmaster didn't involve using the gems at all.

If he wasn't using the gems...then he was weaker and thus the example actually helps my point.

Originally posted by Silent Master
If he wasn't using the gems...then he was weaker and thus the example actually helps my point.

So you're saying Thanos with the five infinity gems was weaker than the Grandmaster simply because he used prep against him for fun, rather than obliterating him outright in a straight fight.

You just said that he wasn't using them, that means it was just regular Thanos that used prep....not Thanos backed by the power of 5 Infinity gems.

So my point stands.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You just said that he wasn't using them, that means it was just regular Thanos that used prep....not Thanos backed by the power of 5 Infinity gems.

So my point stands.

So you're saying because Thanos used prep instead of using the five infinity gems to defeat Grandmaster, it means he was weaker. Despite the fact that Thanos stated on panel he could of taken the gem anytime, but chose to prep for fun.

Originally posted by vince_slice
So you're saying because Thanos used prep instead of using the five infinity gems to defeat Grandmaster, it means he was weaker. Despite the fact that Thanos stated on panel he could of taken the gem anytime, but chose to prep for fun.

Which is mre powerful?

A Thanos who is using 5 Infinity gems

or

A Thanos who is using 0 Infinity gems

Lmao.

Silent Master's point is that Thanos used prep, and things such as gathering the Infinity Gems counts as prep. I don't get what the hell about that is so hard.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Which is mre powerful?

A Thanos who is using 5 Infinity gems

or

A Thanos who is using 0 Infinity gems

Thanos had the power of the five gems at his disposal and stated on panel he could've of used the gems to win. But he opted to prep and outsmart the Grandmaster for fun, even though he already had the power to take the last gem forcefully.

IOW, Thanos had the power to win the fight and take the gem easily, but he used prep despite already having the power to win.

According to you, if you use prep in a fight, it means you're weaker. Clearly the Thanos example contradicts your statement.

Again, Which is more powerful?

A Thanos who is using 5 Infinity gems

or

A Thanos who is using 0 Infinity gems

Originally posted by vince_slice
Thanos had the power of the five gems at his disposal and stated on panel he could've of used the gems to win. But he opted to prep and outsmart the Grandmaster for fun, even though he already had the power to take the last gem forcefully.

IOW, Thanos had the power to win the fight and take the gem easily, but he used prep despite already having the power to win.

According to you, if you use prep in a fight, it means you're weaker. Clearly the Thanos example contradicts your statement. It's horrible logic to state prep means you're weaker.

Thanos is weaker than Odin...as the fight clearly showed.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Thanos is weaker than Odin...as the fight clearly showed. So you abandoned your statement ?

That Thanos was weaker than Odin?

No, because Thanos was clearly weaker.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Lmao.

Silent Master's point is that Thanos used prep, and things such as gathering the Infinity Gems counts as prep. I don't get what the hell about that is so hard.

No Silent Master stated if a character preps for a fight it means he's automatically weaker than his opponent.

Don't tell me you agree with that logic.

I provided an example where Thanos was much more powerful than his opponent, but used prep anyways just for amusement.

Originally posted by Silent Master
That Thanos was weaker than Odin?

No, because Thanos was clearly weaker. You stated a character who uses prep is weaker. You abandoned it. Nice.

You're claiming that Thanos wasn't weaker than Odin?

Proof please.

Originally posted by vince_slice
No Silent Master stated if a character preps for a fight it means he's automatically weaker than his opponent.

Don't tell me you agree with that logic.

I provided an example where Thanos was much more powerful than his opponent, but used prep anyways just for amusement.

I'd like some proof that regular Thanos was more powerful than a Grandmaster that was using an Infinity gem.

Originally posted by vince_slice
No Silent Master stated if a character preps for a fight it means he's automatically weaker than his opponent.

Don't tell me you agree with that logic.

I provided an example where Thanos was much more powerful than his opponent, but used prep anyways just for amusement.


Actually, he stated prep is what people do to become threats if they aren't already in a straight up encounter. Which isn't the same at all as saying prepping for a opponent means you're automatically weaker than said opponent. I can see why you'd think they are the same, but they're not.

Thanos used prep to get said gems in the first place, though. Without the gems, and prep, he wouldn't be the threat he was portrayed to be in that entire arc.

Originally posted by vince_slice
No Silent Master stated if a character preps for a fight it means he's automatically weaker than his opponent.

Don't tell me you agree with that logic.

I provided an example where Thanos was much more powerful than his opponent, but used prep anyways just for amusement. What he stated is actually true in most cases your just nitpicking for some odd reason. In most cases those who use prep use it because they are outmatched theirs always an exception to the rule

Originally posted by Silent Master
You're claiming that Thanos wasn't weaker than Odin?

Proof please. My comment has nothing to do with any characters it has to do with your blanket statement.

Originally posted by iceman24567
What he stated is actually true in most cases your just nitpicking for some odd reason. In most cases those who use prep use it because they are outmatched theirs always an exception to the rule If it isn't true in all cases then it's bad logic.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Actually, he stated prep is what people do to become threats if they aren't already in a straight up encounter. Which isn't the same at all as saying prepping for a opponent means you're automatically weaker than said opponent. I can see why you'd think they are the same, but they're not.

Thanos used prep to get said gems in the first place, though. Without the gems, and prep, he wouldn't be the threat he was portrayed to be in that entire arc.

I don't see how it's not the same.

If you're not a threat to someone it means by default you're weaker. Stating someone needs prep because they aren't a threat clearly means they need prep because they're weaker. Again this is poor logic, and clearly not always true.

Originally posted by iceman24567
What he stated is actually true in most cases your just nitpicking for some odd reason. In most cases those who use prep use it because they are outmatched theirs always an exception to the rule

My original point is that it's not always true and I gave a clear example illustrating my point.

Originally posted by vince_slice
That's not always true, especially not for Thanos.

Except in the case of Thanos vs Odin, it's clearly true....as the fight showed.

Well he was obviously stating that in general people use prep when their outmatched like I said theirs always an exception to the rule

Originally posted by Silent Master
Except in the case of Thanos vs Odin, it's clearly true....as the fight showed.

I don't recall Thanos using prep in his fight with Odin.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Well he was obviously stating that in general people use prep when their outmatched like I said theirs always an exception to the rule When did Thanos prep for his battle against Odin ?

Originally posted by vince_slice
I don't recall Thanos using prep in his fight with Odin.

Do you recall Thanos being shown as weaker in the fight?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Actually, he stated prep is what people do to become threats if they aren't already in a straight up encounter. Which isn't the same at all as saying prepping for a opponent means you're automatically weaker than said opponent. I can see why you'd think they are the same, but they're not.

Thanos used prep to get said gems in the first place, though. Without the gems, and prep, he wouldn't be the threat he was portrayed to be in that entire arc. Exactly

Originally posted by vince_slice
I don't recall Thanos using prep in his fight with Odin. people usuallly resort to prep because they are outmatched. sometimes they may do it for other reasons yes, but everyone understood what his general point was.

On the other hand, he never claiemd that people who are outmatched will necessarily resort to prep, which is what your post implies he claimed.

Originally posted by vince_slice
No Silent Master stated if a character preps for a fight it means he's automatically weaker than his opponent.

Don't tell me you agree with that logic.

I provided an example where Thanos was much more powerful than his opponent, but used prep anyways just for amusement.

Thanos wasn't more powerful than his opponent because HE REFUSED TO USE THE GEMS. If I refuse to use a gun on Brock Lesner then clearly he is more powerful than I.

It's all about choice and not what's in your possession.

All of this is moot anyway because all Silent is saying is
With prep he's stronger
And with the gems he's stronger

But Thanos abandoned the gems and use prep, thus making him stronger. Without both Thanos is weaker.

Originally posted by 753
people usuallly resort to prep because they are outmatched. sometimes they may do it for other reasons yes, but everyone understood what his general point was.

On the other hand, he never claiemd that people who are outmatched will necessarily resort to prep, which is what your post implies he claimed. Yeah he kinda warped what Silent originally claimed

Originally posted by iceman24567
Yeah he kinda warped what Silent originally claimed

Not really.

I simply pointed out that if someone preps for a fight, it doesn't always mean the person is weaker.

Silent disagreed with that, and thats where the whole argument stems.

Originally posted by vince_slice
Not really.

I simply pointed out that if someone preps for a fight, it doesn't always mean the person is weaker.

Silent disagreed with that, and thats where the whole argument stems. Sure if you say so

Originally posted by vince_slice
Not really.

I simply pointed out that if someone preps for a fight, it doesn't always mean the person is weaker.

Silent disagreed with that, and thats where the whole argument stems.

No, the argument stems from you being upset that Odin proved to be more powerful than Thanos in their fight.

Originally posted by Silent Master
No, the argument stems from you being upset that Odin proved to be more powerful than Thanos in their fight.

What are you talking about? I never claimed Thanos was more powerful than Odin, not even close.

I was saying just because someone preps for a fight it doesn't always mean they're weaker. Usually they do it because they're outmatched, but it's not always the case.

Keep telling yourself that.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Keep telling yourself that.

You can search all my posts in this thread and in my entire posting history. Not once have I ever claimed Thanos is more powerful than Odin or any skyfather.

*Sigh*