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Hiller is piloting an alien destroyer ship from Independence Day. Remember that this ship has SERIOUS maneuverability. For the sake of this thread, the shields are not present. These alien shields are 100% resistant to anything, even Nukes. Hiller would solo, easily.

Iron Man is in his Mark 1 armor, therefore, giving him limited power so as not to make this fight too one sided.

Torch can go Nova.

Fight takes place above New York City.

All gloves are off. To the death. Civilian casualties be damned.

Hiller solos.

Because of the shields? If this is is the case, then I should remove them to make the fight lengthier.

Indeedly doodly. Man, if it I had made this thread........

Observe:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f102/t513405.html



Funny enough, I foresee no questioning of this thread. Just saying.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Indeedly doodly. Man, if it I had made this thread........


Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Observe:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f102/t513405.html



Funny enough, I foresee no questioning of this thread. Just saying.

Okay.

1) Hiller's shield's are gone. He pilots the alien destroyer that has insane flight agility and plasma weaponry.

2) If you would have made this thread, what?

3) Nobody is questioning this thread because nobody except you and I have posted herein.

4) I forgot that a similar thread was made by you. I mean, I can't remember EVERY thread made. However you, yourself even admitted that it was a gimpfest of a thread.

I don't see what your thinly veiled comments are for.

Originally posted by Impediment
Okay.

1) Hiller's shield's are gone. He pilots the alien destroyer that has insane flight agility and plasma weaponry. I can roll with that.

Pretty much the same comments made in the thread I referred you to.

Hey, just saying that you should be prepared for the shitfest. Probably won't happen because my name is not attached to the thread. Come to think of it, now that I have said what I said, I can pretty much guarantee you nothing will be said.

I hate that term, "gimped." But OK, let's use it. This thread is much more gimped than the other by me. You gave IM limited powers and took away Hiller's shields. All I did was have all the aircraft go the same speed.

I was just making an observation, dude. Am I not free to speak my mind here?



Now, as for the thread....What are the speed capabilities of each craft? Who is the fastest?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I can roll with that.

Pretty much the same comments made in the thread I referred you to.

Hey, just saying that you should be prepared for the shitfest. Probably won't happen because my name is not attached to the thread. Come to think of it, now that I have said what I said, I can pretty much guarantee you nothing will be said.

I hate that term, "gimped." But OK, let's use it. This thread is much more gimped than the other by me. You gave IM limited powers and took away Hiller's shields. All I did was have all the aircraft go the same speed.

I was just making an observation, dude. Am I not free to speak my mind here?



Now, as for the thread....What are the speed capabilities of each craft? Who is the fastest?

Dude, calm down. Your opinions matter here, but I don't see why you automatically have to be a Negative Nelly. Have fun with it.

I don't see how this is very gimped. I forgot that the alien ship's shields are 100% resistant to anything, even Nuke's. Hiller WOULD solo, so I removed them. The ship still has insane skills. Iron Man still defeated Iron Monger and saved the hot babe with his Mark 1 suit.

Give me a minute to compile adequate data for the combatants.

Originally posted by Impediment
Dude, calm down. Your opinions matter here, but I don't see why you automatically have to be a Negative Nelly. Have fun with it.

I don't see how this is very gimped. I forgot that the alien ship's shields are 100% resistant to anything, even Nuke's. Hiller WOULD solo, so I removed them. The ship still has insane skills. Iron Man still defeated Iron Monger and saved the hot babe with his Mark 1 suit.

As I said, I was just making an observation.



It'd be interesting to have Stark try to figure out the "cold" theory behind the ID4 shields, see him and Starscream try to take them out.

Originally posted by Impediment
Hiller is piloting an alien destroyer ship from Independence Day. Remember that this ship has SERIOUS maneuverability. For the sake of this thread, the shields are not present. These alien shields are 100% resistant to anything, even Nukes. Hiller would solo, easily.

Iron Man is in his Mark 1 armor, therefore, giving him limited power so as not to make this fight too one sided.

Torch can go Nova.

Fight takes place above New York City.

All gloves are off. To the death. Civilian casualties be damned.

Torch's only chance is to go nova and hope he takes someone down, otherwise he's too slow and too soft of a target, I think the fastest he was shown flying was that of a commercial airliner, somewhere between 500-600mph. Unless someone has a speed-feat I'm forgetting?

So that leaves IM and SS versus the alien fighter and a guy who is a good pilot, but still fairly new to the ship he's flying. Even considering he is used to the craft in this fight, IM will be a hard target due to size and Starscream has the advantage of being the plane, not having the lag of pilot to controls.

Team two takes it. One of them might go down either to nova-blast or alien plasma-bolts. Good move on the shields, as you said "nuke proof".

See, I think that Torch's Nova could do some damage to Starscream or IM, were he able to get close enough.

Originally posted by Impediment
See, I think that Torch's Nova could do some damage to Starscream or IM, were he able to get close enough.

I agree and it's his only chance, otherwise he's being taking out from range and by much faster opponents.

Though if IIRC, Richard's said something along the lines that Torch could potentially destroy Earth's atmosphere, so he could potentially go all out and kill everyone.

Correct. Reed told Johnny that his Nova could possibly, not certainly, set Earth's atmosphere ablaze. That's why I said in the OP "civilian casualties be damned".

Shit. I wonder, what is the melting point for the metal components of an alien robot?

RJ, your accusations of Gimping have only come to being, because of Imp went to make it fairer because your own premature judgement on the situation.

Imp bought your 'Hiller solos' without remembering a few things:

1) TFs can hack computer systems, (removing shields if neccessary) They would be noticably faster/better than Goldblum on an early nineties Mac laptop.

2) And Starscream will ALSO be shielded as larger TFS were shown to be in TFs1.

3) Starscream can out-maneuver, out-speed, and possibly even sexually violate Hillier and his ship in front of Goldblum, his dad, and his estranged ex-wife.

4) Starscream's weapons would WTF pwn torch too, most likely too....let alone the combined assault of

5) Re: Nova... Ironman and Starscream are both capable of leaving an atmosphere unaided....unlike Torch...And if Torch is in the ship with Hillier, then a Nova will just kill everyone inside the ship.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth


1) TFs can hack computer systems, (removing shields if neccessary) They would be noticably faster/better than Goldblum on an early nineties Mac laptop.

Hey, that's gimping!!!!


I DARE you to reply.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
RJ, your accusations of Gimping have only come to being, because of Imp went to make it fairer because your own premature judgement on the situation.

O'rly? Observe, from my thread:

"To make things fair, all aircraft here have the same top speed, all are fully fueled and armed, and there are no shields."


And this, from this thread:

" Hiller is piloting an alien destroyer ship from Independence Day. Remember that this ship has SERIOUS maneuverability. For the sake of this thread, the shields are not present. These alien shields are 100% resistant to anything, even Nukes. Hiller would solo, easily.

Iron Man is in his Mark 1 armor, therefore, giving him limited power so as not to make this fight too one sided."



Same shit. Even moreso here. Now, you tell me, why aren't you crying gimp?

Probably because it's not gimped. I made this match as even as I could.

Any other version of Iron Man's armor would be unfair against unarmored people like the Torch.

LOL Storm goes Supernova and destroys the combatants.
If Hiller enters orbit he'll aint shooting Storm through a sphere that is as hot as the Sun.

Originally posted by the ninjak
LOL Storm goes Supernova and destroys the combatants.
If Hiller enters orbit he'll aint shooting Storm through a sphere that is as hot as the Sun.

Igniting the 'atmosphere' is impossible. It was seen as a possibility with a thermonuclear weapons (due to the heat) but we figured out that it was not possible.


Reed Richards was going off of old data/science/theories. That won't happen in this versus match-up: it's just not possible.


We do not have to worry about that atmosphere igniting by something flying through it that is a really hot temperature. Case in point, nuclear blasts are in the tens of millions of degrees, they cover a much larger area than THT could cover. If the atmosphere would have ignited, it would have done it with Nukes.

Originally posted by Impediment
Dude, calm down. Your opinions matter here, but I don't see why you automatically have to be a Negative Nelly. Have fun with it.

I don't see how this is very gimped. I forgot that the alien ship's shields are 100% resistant to anything, even Nuke's. Hiller WOULD solo, so I removed them. The ship still has insane skills. Iron Man still defeated Iron Monger and saved the hot babe with his Mark 1 suit.

Isn't the Mark 1 the actual suit/Armour? He used the normal armour but just had a different power source, I can't remember what it was called but let's call it the mini stark reactor...pretty sure he used his less perfective mini stark reactor that couldn't power the suit too well cause it didn't have enough energy or whatever to sustain the mark 3 armour.

Originally posted by Impediment
Probably because it's not gimped. I made this match as even as I could.
EXACTLY. I did the same in mine, I governed their speeds to the same level, and you see the flak I took? Now you do the same, even moreso, and it's all good?


You really don't see the hypocrisy?

If you're done playing victim now, can we get back to the thread?

Victim my ass, I'm right and you know it.

You know what? I shouldn't be doing this here. Apologies, Matt.


Sadako, if you want to discuss what I said, feel free to pm me.

Just re-watched Iron man, he used the mark one chest peice...no idea it was called that...haven't watched it in ages

Originally posted by dadudemon
Igniting the 'atmosphere' is impossible. It was seen as a possibility with a thermonuclear weapons (due to the heat) but we figured out that it was not possible.


Reed Richards was going off of old data/science/theories. That won't happen in this versus match-up: it's just not possible.


We do not have to worry about that atmosphere igniting by something flying through it that is a really hot temperature. Case in point, nuclear blasts are in the tens of millions of degrees, they cover a much larger area than THT could cover. If the atmosphere would have ignited, it would have done it with Nukes.

While you're certainly correct in reality, this is fiction, so it's possible. Richard's is supposed to be one of the most intelligent mother****ers in the movie Marvel universe.

But Torch doing that here on a planetary scale is a no; not because he doesn't have the possibility to, but because he's not shown to be suicidal.

Originally posted by Robtard
While you're certainly correct in reality, this is fiction, so it's possible. Richard's is supposed to be one of the most intelligent mother****ers in the movie Marvel universe.

He also made scientific/fact mistakes in the film. Making a claim with old science/theories is well within his character.

Case-in-point, he told him to go "super nova" towards the end of the first film and it didn't cause the atmosphere to ignite.

I believe the theory comes from making the atmosphere hot enough to cause nitrogen to start undergoing fusion.

Originally posted by Robtard
But Torch doing that here on a planetary scale is a no; not because he doesn't have the possibility to, but because he's not shown to be suicidal.

Richard's said he could ie has the potential to burn out the atmosphere, not that it definitely would happen.

Though when Johnny did go supernova, Sue contained it, no way of knowing how much affect that had.

Either way, suicide is a no go, unless maybe he's mortally wounded and says 'F U, man!'