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This guy.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/57606/1518439-chaos_king_super.jpg

Vs

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/7658/348513-98594-anti-monitor_super.jpg

But before anyone says spite against the Chaos King because he only destroyed one Universe(Despite the fact mentioned by Amadeus Cho that he destroyed 98.76% of the Multiverse).I'll show some scan from Defenders Vol 3 #3.

With a shift in the cosmic axis and with some help from his sister Umar, Dormammu defeats 616 Eternity.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/Untitled-03.jpg?t=1303188316

It gets better from here.Dormammu plots to recreate the Universe(singular) by going inside Eternity.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/Untitled-04.jpg?t=1303188478

But what is this?Dormammu states "Worlds within Worlds" ,"Dimensions folding into themselves!" ,"Entire Universes being born and collapsing into ruin!" ,"And yet I sense that all this--is but the merest fraction of what Eternity is!" Could it be 616 Eternity as an Aspect, still represents Multi-Eternity?Oh wait!Its true!Its damn true!

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/Untitled-05.jpg?t=1303188526

Remember Dormammu plans to detonate the Heart of Eternity to trigger a "Creation Event".He even describes "Eternal Nothingness and Oceanic Void."He recreates the Multiverse in his own image known as the "Dormammuverse".

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/Untitled-06.jpg?t=1303189567

Oceanic Void and Eternal nothingness?Doesn't that remind as of someone?Oh yeah! The Chaos King!Chaos King is Multiversal and is the Void in the beginning.Defenders Vol 3 #3 proves that.

I don't care who people pick here.Anti-Monitor is my 1 of my favorite villains and I'm a villain type of guy.My number 1 favorite villain is Dormammu.Chaos King comes in 5th.

by displayed power on panel, I gotta go with the multiversal walking plot device COIE AM here. he's simply more impressive in COIE than Chaos King in CW

Chaos King got BFR to a another universe and settle there..and he was only shown to destroy 616 reality and its sub dimension..not so multiversal..Anti Monitor was actually shown to destroy alternate reality..that is real multiversal power..

Ahem. "Infinite realities." And those scans say nothing about multiple universes.

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Spite against chaos king

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ahem. "Infinite realities." And those scans say nothing about multiple universes.

On the contrary.Dormammu never expected to see Universes inside 616 Eternity.And he only expected to reshape only the 616 Universe after defeating 616 Eternity and taking his power.When he got inside 616 Eternity, he witnessed Dimensions and Universes(Plural form of Universe indicating more than one Universe).Dormammu even said this is but a mere fraction of what Eternity is.As seen here.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/Untitled-05.jpg?t=1303188526

This reinforces my statement that 616 Eternity as an aspect can still represent Multi-Eternity/True Eternity.And I remember Abraxas chained up in the heart of Multi-Eternity.And Dormammu describes Multi-Eternity's heart as an Oceanic Void of Eternal Nothingness(further reinforcing Fred Van Lente's description of what the Chaos King represents).

I give you a for giving an effort on reading the scans.Though I can't say anything on how you interpreted it.I can't say anything about the other people who posted here.Either they already decided w/o reading the scans or simply they debate out of hatred.Oh well, everybody is a fanboy.One way or another I guess

Originally posted by Slaanesh
Chaos King got BFR to a another universe and settle there..and he was only shown to destroy 616 reality and its sub dimension..not so multiversal..Anti Monitor was actually shown to destroy alternate reality..that is real multiversal power..

I don't think this really counts as an argument - he was tricked into absorbing the Continuum universe and thought he had absorbed all of reality, true, but if his goal was to turn everything into nothing, then scale couldn't really be judged. After all, how do you have nothing and then more nothing? As long as he couldn't sense that other universes and dimensions still existed, he had no reason to doubt he had accomplished his goal.

@endless mike: the argument that he would have absorbed the entire multiverse is rather moot if the guy can't tell the difference between the actual multiverse and a pocket universe.

@igniz: what is shown on panel as being done by the chaos king is nothing compared to what the antimonitor did. Pull up the vague writer references you want. It wasn't verified on panel.

He couldn't tell the difference because he had absorbed every other universe already and he didn't know about the Continuum universe, after he absorbed it he couldn't sense anything but nothingness, you can't tell scale if everything is nothing

You realize then that Hercules restored "everything" and for your argument to be true that makes Hercules multiversal level at the point where he defeated chaos king... Even though Athena compared him to Zeus...

Chaos King has shown nothing that can put him on par with COIE Anti-Monitor.

Now if this was CK vs SC Monitor, then this would have work.

COIE Monitor. Easy.

AM.

Hercules had the power from multiple pantheons

Originally posted by rotiart
@endless mike: the argument that he would have absorbed the entire multiverse is rather moot if the guy can't tell the difference between the actual multiverse and a pocket universe. just be glad he's gone like the rest of us

marvel didn't need the chaos king to kill off universes, and he really had a minute impact across the scope of the marvel universe... Worst cross-over in history

Originally posted by psycho gundam
just be glad he's gone like the rest of us

marvel didn't need the chaos king to kill off universes, and he really had a minute impact across the scope of the marvel universe... Worst cross-over in history

Actually for me the worst are marvel zombies... The idea that you can defeat/devour or infect galactus... WTF.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I don't think this really counts as an argument - he was tricked into absorbing the Continuum universe and thought he had absorbed all of reality, true, but if his goal was to turn everything into nothing, then scale couldn't really be judged. After all, how do you have nothing and then more nothing? As long as he couldn't sense that other universes and dimensions still existed, he had no reason to doubt he had accomplished his goal.

This is true.Some people debate by using feats.Some debate by using the nature of the Characters.Some debate by lowballing.Feats are sometimes not a good way of debating.One example is Hulk vs Doomsady.Hulk has more appearances and has lots of strength feats compared to Doomsday.Does that result in an auto win?A lot of Doomsday fans will disagree and will use the nature of what Doomsday is.They'll say Doomsday will own Hulk because he lacks internal organs etc.I'm inclined to agree with some of the logic Doomsday fans throw.I did admit I'm a villain type of guy.But I could also Hulk could beat Doomsday through BFR if it is allowed.Current DD, No way Hulk can beat him.

Originally posted by rotiart
@endless mike: the argument that he would have absorbed the entire multiverse is rather moot if the guy can't tell the difference between the actual multiverse and a pocket universe.

Again most villains end up being defeated through plot device.If you want to disagree with this, then you don't really know how hero-villain routine story workout.For the Chaos King, it was because he absorbed too much too quickly, he ended up being blinded by his own darkness.

Originally posted by rotiart
@igniz: what is shown on panel as being done by the chaos king is nothing compared to what the antimonitor did. Pull up the vague writer references you want. It wasn't verified on panel.

Alright wiseguy.At times feat matters.At times its the nature of the character which Endless Mike pointed out.I tried being nice.You disagree The Chaos King is the Void in the beginning.Lets start with Thor Annual#10 to prove what FVL and GP stated.This is on Panel.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/VoidInTheBegining.jpg

Now lets see the on panel description stated in Defenders vol 3 #3

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/Untitled-05.jpg

Dormammu combined all the Universes into one Universe in that story arc using the power of Eternity to trigger a creation event.And he described the Heart of Eternity being an Oceanic Void and Eternal Nothingness(Chaos King as Void in the beginning).Dormammu was only defeated because of his sister Umar's betrayal(another plot device).And Umar restored the Multiverse in that story arc.Now let see Hera's explanation about the Continuum in Assault on new Olympus.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/HeraExplainsContinuum2.jpg

How about Thrann when he stated the first mover(TOAA) bringing order in the Void,Darkness,and Chaos.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/OriginOfMU1.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/OriginOfMU2.jpg

So they actually used references in past issues of Marvel's history.Remember Sasquatch stating the Chaos King is becoming a Black Hole.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/CKislikeaBlackHole.jpg

Here's a trip to Marvel History about the Time Bubble.The Time Bubble phenomena might have been used as reference on how The Chaos King's powers worked.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/timebubblegalactus.htm

Now I will admit COIE Anti-Monitor has uber feats.But as pointed out, the Nature of the Character is another thing to take into account.Anti-Monitor as I pointed out is one of my favorite villains.So no favoritism in my part.I just showed the scans to clear some misconception and to prove CK is the void in the beginning and as a dark half of true Eternity.

Somewhere in all these vs threads you'll find my arguments for the relevant power levels of chaos king. With the scans I included I stated why I think he is only at best a universal threat. I really have no intention of going round about again because someone made another thread claiming chaos king is multiversal. Who was I arguing with back then. Shrug. Can't remember.

Anyways. I still say by feats antimonitor trumps chaos king.

And btw I don't believe in the claim that the "first mover" is toaa. But simply the first of the zenn la gods... Just like Gaea was the first of the earth gods... Etc... Since the zenn la gods are told by the first mover that end end would be brought be the chaos king...

Like the CK vs LM thread, now that it's been confirmed that CK destroyed 98.75% of the multiverse, does it change any minds on Team AM?

Ck wins, easily.

Originally posted by zopzop
Like the CK vs LM thread, now that it's been confirmed that CK destroyed 98.75% of the multiverse, does it change any minds on Team AM?

Nope COIE AM wins.
CK got his teeth knocked out by Herc. AM replicates the feat, bfrs CK into that pocket reality then absorbs it just for kicks.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Nope COIE AM wins.
CK got his teeth knocked out by Herc. AM replicates the feat, bfrs CK into that pocket reality then absorbs it just for kicks. Herc was amped whereas Am got his head beat in by Supergirl who wasn't amped.

^ Spectre was struggling against AM with a amp.
CK got trapped in a universe, AM absorbs universes do the math.

Originally posted by Sundipped
^ Spectre was struggling against AM with a amp.
CK got trapped in a universe, AM absorbs universes do the math. Am was also amped off the heroes. Spectre also held back and didn't kill him due to the heroes fates being tied into his.

Is this the fully amped AM or the one who fought Supergirl?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Am was also amped off the heroes. Spectre also held back and didn't kill him due to the heroes fates being tied into his.

CK was amped by everything he absorbed. Spectre couldn't kill him....instead he wound up comatose.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Is this the fully amped AM or the one who fought Supergirl?
Let's say the "fully amped" one.

Originally posted by Sundipped
CK was amped by everything he absorbed. Spectre couldn't kill him....instead he wound up comatose. Spectre purposely didn't kill him. Ck was amped by his very nature whereas Am tactically amped off the heroes after his natural powers were drained.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Spectre purposely didn't kill him. Ck was amped by his very nature whereas Am tactically amped off the heroes after his natural powers were drained.


AM was shown destroying universe after universe on panel, CK had to destroy pantheons one by one to achieve his power. CK got trapped in what AM destroys on a regular basis while on lunch break. Both gained amps so to speak so that point is moot.

Originally posted by Sundipped
AM was shown destroying universe after universe on panel
Did AM need his machines to devour universes?

Originally posted by Sundipped

AM was shown destroying universe after universe on panel, CK had to destroy pantheons one by one to achieve his power. CK got trapped in what AM destroys on a regular basis while on lunch break. Both gained amps so to speak so that point is moot. Am used tech/power to destroy unsuspecting universes whereas CK actually conquered them.

Nah, since Am clearly was blocked once the heroes were aware of what he was doing. Ck wrecks him. More impressive combat showings.

Originally posted by zopzop
Did AM need his machines to devour universes?

It was anti-matter that was destroying universes and he had a cannon producing this energy but after it was destroyed it wouldn't have been a problem because he had this capability:

http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b571/superior100/2ec848b0-a80c-4c86-872d-f786e06c04bc_zps21153fb2.jpg

Originally posted by quanchi112
Am used tech/power to destroy unsuspecting universes whereas CK actually conquered them.

Nah, since Am clearly was blocked once the heroes were aware of what he was doing. Ck wrecks him. More impressive combat showings.

See above.
As far as their opponents go, Spectre with a amp begging for more energy just to subdue AM>>>>supergod Herc amped by Gaia. AM (FP)>>>Spectre (amped)>>CK>>>SG Herc

Originally posted by Sundipped
It was anti-matter that was destroying universes and he had a cannon producing this energy but after it was destroyed it wouldn't have been a problem because he had this capability:

http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b571/superior100/2ec848b0-a80c-4c86-872d-f786e06c04bc_zps21153fb2.jpg



See above.
As far as their opponents go, Spectre with a amp begging for more energy just to subdue AM>>>>supergod Herc amped by Gaia. AM (FP)>>>Spectre (amped)>>CK>>>SG Herc So he had a cannon doing so thus proving its tech.


Spectre still did not try to kill him so don't act like he did. The heroes fates were tied into his. The Spectre needing an amp just means the heroes whose power Am leeched off was greater than his own.

Originally posted by Sundipped
It was anti-matter that was destroying universes and he had a cannon producing this energy but after it was destroyed it wouldn't have been a problem because he had this capability:

http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b571/superior100/2ec848b0-a80c-4c86-872d-f786e06c04bc_zps21153fb2.jpg



See above.
As far as their opponents go, Spectre with a amp begging for more energy just to subdue AM>>>>supergod Herc amped by Gaia. AM (FP)>>>Spectre (amped)>>CK>>>SG Herc

I'd like to see Spectre backed by those sorcerers repair 98.76% of the Multiverse

Originally posted by Igniz
I'd like to see Spectre backed by those sorcerers repair 98.76% of the Multiverse

Originally posted by Igniz
I'd like to see Spectre backed by those sorcerers repair 98.76% of the Multiverse
He did it without any amps in Final Crisis.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80518/2526428-spectre2.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
He did it without any amps in Final Crisis.

http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/1246290_spectre1.jpg

The image is removed so I can't check the context.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He did it without any amps in Final Crisis.

http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/1246290_spectre1.jpg



I can't see the image.For some reason, whenever I clicked it, this message that it was removed due to violation of terms or something pops up.And even if Spectre did accomplished that without amps in FC, he only restored 52 universes.Marvel Multiverse has billions.There go, its easier to repair smaller things(DC 52 universes) than bigger things(Marvel billions of universes)

Originally posted by Igniz
I can't see the image.For some reason, whenever I clicked it, this message that it was removed due to violation of terms or something pops up.And even if Spectre did accomplished that without amps in FC, he only restored 52 universes.Marvel Multiverse has billions.There go, its easier to repair smaller things(DC 52 universes) than bigger things(Marvel billions of universes)
Yet, .24% of multiverse was just a small planet in earth.

mmm

Does not compute. Also Spectre fought and completely drained ZH Parallax via that fight when he was capable of restoring most of infinite multiverse too.

http://i.imgur.com/MLEz6Tw.jpg

Anyway these sort of comparison are meaningless. For all of his random and systematic destruction of multiverse, CK was just an aspect of an abstract. AM was above that at that point in COIE.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yet, .24% of multiverse was just a small planet in earth.

mmm

Does not compute. Also Spectre fought and completely drained ZH Parallax via that fight when he was capable of restoring most of infinite multiverse too.

http://i.imgur.com/MLEz6Tw.jpg

Anyway these sort of comparison are meaningless. For all of his random and systematic destruction of multiverse, CK was just an aspect of an abstract. AM was above that at that point in COIE. Post the image so we can see it. You purposely removed it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yet, .24% of multiverse was just a small planet in earth.

mmm

Do the Math again.You'll realize you miscalculated a bitmmm

Originally posted by abhilegend
Does not compute. Also Spectre fought and completely drained ZH Parallax via that fight when he was capable of restoring most of infinite multiverse too.

http://i.imgur.com/MLEz6Tw.jpg

If the setting was COIE.I would have been more impressed with Spectre.Since DC backed then had millions of universes.Post crisis however has only 52 universes

Originally posted by abhilegend
Anyway these sort of comparison are meaningless. For all of his random and systematic destruction of multiverse, CK was just an aspect of an abstract. AM was above that at that point in COIE.

An aspect who did what Anti-Monitor did.Except Ck was punched by a being who could repair 98.76% of the Multiverse.And Anti-Monitor died

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/87447/1705530-darkseid_kills_the_anti_monitor.jpg

Originally posted by Igniz
Do the Math again.You'll realize you miscalculated a bitmmm I did it on purpose. 1.24% of multiverse was a planet? Must've been a heckuva small multiverse.

mmm



And AM destroyed all those universes. CK didn't destroy 98.76% of multiverse in a fell swoop either.



And several others have done too and several beings lower than abstracts have done so too. Doesn't mean they are going to beat everybody else who hasn't. So? It was still a skyfather level being. You can't be serious here.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He did it without any amps in Final Crisis.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/80518/2526428-spectre2.jpg


That's not Spectre repairing the multiverse, only the Earth from the effects of ALE.

Still, Spectre (after being severely due to the crisis), a part of his essence was powerful enough to be capable of destroying the universe in JSA special, and the other part was battling the Great Evil Beast in Swamp Thing. All this while weakened and not tapping into his full potential.

So, if that's what a weakened Spectre was capable of (directly after the crisis), an amped Spectre should be quite powerful.

Yeah, it required a wish from the Miracle Machine(and some fixes from Nix Uotan) to repair the multiverse in the wake of FC.

Originally posted by operator616
That's not Spectre repairing the multiverse, only the Earth from the effects of ALE.

Still, Spectre (after being severely due to the crisis), a part of his essence was powerful enough to be capable of destroying the universe in JSA special, and the other part was battling the Great Evil Beast in Swamp Thing. All this while weakened and not tapping into his full potential.

So, if that's what a weakened Spectre was capable of (directly after the crisis), an amped Spectre should be quite powerful. So he lied about the context and then deleted the image.

Originally posted by operator616
That's not Spectre repairing the multiverse, only the Earth from the effects of ALE.

Still, Spectre (after being severely due to the crisis), a part of his essence was powerful enough to be capable of destroying the universe in JSA special, and the other part was battling the Great Evil Beast in Swamp Thing. All this while weakened and not tapping into his full potential.

So, if that's what a weakened Spectre was capable of (directly after the crisis), an amped Spectre should be quite powerful.
ALE affected the whole multiverse IIRC.

srsly

^ No. We see it affect only the Earth inhabitants:

http://i.imgur.com/NCvjtNb.jpg

And the next issue has it depicted affecting the planet Earth only:

http://i.imgur.com/EAhWiTN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wVSMGat.jpg

Then the Spectre reversed the effects (limited to Earth, only)