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SBP

vs

Thor
Beta Ray Bill
The Warriors Three
Sif
Tyr
Balder
Loki

Fight to the death. Who wins?

Team depending on the incarnations

Originally posted by keiththegreat
SBP

vs

Thor
Beta Ray Bill
The Warriors Three
Sif
Tyr
Balder
Loki

Fight to the death. Who wins?

All these guys are fodder except Thor, BRB and Loki. With his strength he could easily take out the other guys with little to no problem. SBP may have trouble with Loki even though he is not weak to magic. Even though he is not weak to magic it dosen't mean that Loki cannot BFR him or bind him with a powerful spell.

I know thats not to the death, but I really don't know how they can kill him, unless they involve the DESTROYER armour.

Battle field removal or energy manipulation/absorption are the easiest options.

Loki plays support and amps Thor and/or BRB.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Battle field removal or energy manipulation/absorption are the easiest options. Being that he is highly resistant/immune to magic, would BFR'ing Prime with magical energies be a viable tactic, iyo?

Originally posted by Galan007
Being that he is highly resistant/immune to magic, would BFR'ing Prime via the energies of Mjolnir/Stormbreaker be successful, iyo?

Always wondered that.

I mean if just teleporting him out of Asgard I could see that working as that really dosent touch him, especially if a portal is opened. If He actually tries to remove his physical body with magic that may fail.

Originally posted by Galan007
Being that he is highly resistant/immune to magic, would BFR'ing Prime with magical energies be a viable tactic, iyo?

Why would opening a portal on top of him be a problem?

As far as I know, it's hard to hurt him with magic. That's all. He doesn't disrupt it or anything.

Point, zap, say hello to barren dimension.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why would opening a portal on top of him be a problem?

As far as I know, it's hard to hurt him with magic. That's all. He doesn't disrupt it or anything.

Point, zap, say hello to barren dimension. If magical energies were used to teleport Prime from point a to point b, couldn't his resistance to magic protect him from that? And wouldn't manifesting a portal near Prime require him to be forced through it?

I'm asking these questions because I'm really not sure.

Thor doesn't really have to point with his BFRing capabilities, either. He can just slam the hammer down and it's done instantly.

Originally posted by Galan007
If magical energies were used to move Prime from point a to point b, couldn't his resistance to magic protect him from that? And wouldn't manifesting a portal near Prime require him to be forced through it?

I'm asking these questions because I'm really not sure.

Why would it? Whenever I see magic strike him, it doesn't fizzle out or anything, it simply doesn't cause real damage. Heck, he even feels it to an extent but it just tickles.

Worst case scenario, point to the Odin Force that empowers Mjolnir as being described as being cosmic power or what have you.

They don't have to. Thor can just battle field remove someone with a tap, no warning. He could also just toss Mjolnir around Prime opening a portal that way or concentrate the vortex on him.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor doesn't really have to point with his BFRing capabilities, either. He can just slam the hammer down and it's done instantly. Right, but wouldn't that mean the beings he teleports away are, essentially, encased in magical energies and moved elsewhere?

I know Prime has only shrugged off magical attacks in the past, but as far as I know, magical energy is magical energy... And he tanks that shiz.

Still think the team wins, though.

Originally posted by Galan007
If magical energies were used to teleport Prime from point a to point b, couldn't his resistance to magic protect him from that? And wouldn't manifesting a portal near Prime require him to be forced through it?

I'm asking these questions because I'm really not sure. Prime is not vulnerable to magic likes supes is but there is no reason he cant be teleported. Thor could just do this. http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g340/Fernando072295/rsz_thormjolnir179-teleportationv22.jpg?t=1303428844

I don't understand why being resistant to magical damage would prevent this to happen:
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/TeleportEarth1.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/TeleportEarth2.jpg

Or this:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/TransportsNuclearPowerPlant1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/TransportsNuclearPowerPlant2.jpg

^ It would. Though, wouldn't Prime need to be pushed through the portal?

Just saw your edit (second 2 scans). That could certainly work. Can Thor manifest that type of portal around an object that isn't stationary?

Originally posted by Galan007
^ It would. Though, wouldn't Prime need to be pushed through the portal?

Just saw your edit (second 2 scans). That could certainly work. Can Thor manifest that type of portal around an object that isn't stationary?

It would what? Work on Prime?

Well, the closest he has ever done to something like that would be to Kang but he also wasn't moving:
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsGrowingMan5.jpg

Thor seemed to have simply directed the vortex at the Fantastic Four and they came out of a portal.

Whatever, the simplest option would be to simply open up a large vortex encompassing all of the combatants as Thor can control who goes where, teleporting different people to different places with the same vortex:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mjolnir130.jpg

Or something similar to this:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mjolnir33.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mjolnir34.jpg

Or simply tap the handle:
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/TeleportsAvengers.jpg

He would probably punch his way out of the dimension they dump him in >_>

Not saying he will, but who knows lol.

Barring BFR how does the team take him down?

Would be funny if Loki posessed SBP or something or turned on Thor ...ugh need to watch...Thor...movie...opening...now......

FOR ASGARD!

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It would what? Work on Prime? Yeah. If Prime were pushed through it, of course.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Well, the closest he has ever done to something like that would be to Kang but he also wasn't moving:
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsGrowingMan5.jpg

Thor seemed to have simply directed the vortex at the Fantastic Four and they came out of a portal.

Whatever, the simplest option would be to simply open up a large vortex encompassing all of the combatants as Thor can control who goes where, teleporting different people to different places with the same vortex:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mjolnir130.jpg

Or something similar to this:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mjolnir33.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Mjolnir34.jpg

Or simply tap the handle:
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/TeleportsAvengers.jpg First scan: Kang was standing still (like you said.)
Second scan: Thor (and co) were standing still.
Third/Fourth scans: Thor (and co) were standing in one place.
Fifth scan: Iron Man/Cap had barely started moving toward Thor when they were BFR'd.

Are there any instances you know of where Thor has opened up a portal around an object that was moving at considerable speeds?

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah. If Prime were pushed through it, of course.

First scan: Kang was standing still (like you said.)
Second scan: Thor (and co) were standing still.
Third/Fourth scans: Thor (and co) were standing in one place.
Fifth scan: Iron Man/Cap had barely started moving toward Thor when they were BFR'd.

Are there any instances you know of where Thor has opened up a portal around an object that was moving at considerable speeds?

I don't understand what your obsession with movement is. Chances are Prime would want to tank their first attack just to show off. Anyways, like I showed you, Thor can create large vortexes encompassing all of those around him.

Even if Prime was in the middle of charging, what difference would it make? He'd still be in range of the effect, and as a result, would go wherever Thor would want him to go.

And here's conclusive evidence that Thor can in fact direct his vortexes:
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/DefeatsWarriorThree2.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/DefeatsWarriorThree3.jpg

But if you really want to see the vortexes working on something of extreme speed:
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/TeleportsBlackHole1.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/TeleportsBlackHole2.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/TeleportsBlackHole3.jpg

I still say Thor should just zap him:
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/TransportsUlik.jpg

Team wins.

Originally posted by keiththegreat
SBP

vs

Thor
Beta Ray Bill
The Warriors Three
Sif
Tyr
Balder
Loki

Fight to the death. Who wins? Volstagg tips the scale for the team to win.

Originally posted by Badabing
Volstagg tips the scale for the team to win.

Thor's death will fuel his anger.

Superman Prime wins

This fight is over in less than 1 sec. via blitz

Not based off feats or CIS.

Originally posted by shokosugi
This fight is over in less than 1 sec. via blitz Team blitz supes.

I agree.

Originally posted by Mindset
Volstagg blitzes supes.

I agree.

Fixed.

If the team can bfr Prime they can win.

Originally posted by Sirius77
If the team can bfr Prime they can win. They don't need to bfr him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They don't need to bfr him.

What else are they going to do to him?? They certainly arent beating him up. BFR is needed and the only option.

Originally posted by Sirius77
If the team can bfr Prime they can win. yeah, if they slug it out he'll rip them all to pieces. most of them are irrelevant

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
And here's conclusive evidence that Thor can in fact direct his vortexes:
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/DefeatsWarriorThree2.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/DefeatsWarriorThree3.jpg

But if you really want to see the vortexes working on something of extreme speed:
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/TeleportsBlackHole1.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/TeleportsBlackHole2.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/TeleportsBlackHole3.jpg

I still say Thor should just zap him:
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/TransportsUlik.jpg Scans 1-2: Directing a vortex in that manner has nada to do with what I was saying.

Scans 3-5: Thor manifested a portal around the ship he was in, no? That's not the same as him standing in one place and manifesting a portal around the ship as it went flying by him.

It's like that old grade school math question you've likely heard... Two cars are both traveling at 75mph, and they drive by one another at the exact same time. How fast did each driver perceive the other the instant they crossed? Answer: The perception would have been that the other driver was standing still. Frame of reference.

Scan 6: If Prime's immunity to magic would help him at all against the Asgardians, then that is the exact type of maneuver that would be the least effective, imo.

i'm of the opinion they need bfr as well. and i think it would work, but i do not think it would be easy necessarily to get him bfr'd.

Originally posted by leonidas
i'm of the opinion they need bfr as well. and i think it would work, but i do not think it would be easy necessarily to get him bfr'd. I agree. Shielding would also be useful, but how long it could stand up to an onslaught from Prime is debatable.

Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
What else are they going to do to him?? They certainly arent beating him up. BFR is needed and the only option. If Superboy and Krytpo can cause him to bleed this team is going to rough him up some good. Too powerful, too many of them, and Loki in the mix they are way too much for Prime to overcome.

Originally posted by Galan007
Scans 1-2: Directing a vortex in that manner has nada to do with what I was saying.

Scans 3-5: Thor manifested a portal around the ship he was in, no? That's not the same as him standing in one place and manifesting a portal around the ship as it went flying by him.

It's like that old grade school math question you've likely heard... Two cars are both traveling at 75mph, and they drive by one another at the exact same time. How fast did each driver perceive the other the instant they crossed? Answer: The perception would have been that the other driver was standing still. Frame of reference.

Scan 6: If Prime's immunity to magic would help him at all against the Asgardians, then that is the exact type of maneuver that would be the least effective, imo.

Is battle field removal still not our main topic of discussion? Knowing Prime, it's likely he'd fly head first into any of their attacks just to show off.

The point is to prove that it works on fast moving targets -if there was ever any doubt- and together with Thor's ability to create large vortexes, his ability to battle field remove Prime shouldn't even be debatable anymore.

If he can create a vortex large enough for a Nuclear Power Plant or the Avengers including their Mansion, what's their to discuss? Everyone knows how Prime operates. His going to go in close and try to punch their heads off. Thor creates a vortex large enough to encompass all of the combatants, and sends Prime to some hell dimension. Thor can control who goes where inside the area of effect.

Like I said, he has great resistance to being hurt by magic. That doesn't translate into somehow canceling out magic. Not without evidence. So far his been blasted/attacked by seemingly raw power that tried to harm his person. It simply has little effect, causing him to be tickled. Until we see a spell or some other magic different from blast-him-into-nothing, I'll assume it's viable.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Is battle field removal still not our main topic of discussion? Knowing Prime, it's likely he'd fly head first into any of their attacks just to show off.

The point is to prove that it works on fast moving targets -if there was ever any doubt- and together with Thor's ability to create large vortexes, his ability to battle field remove Prime shouldn't even be debatable anymore.

If he can create a vortex large enough for a Nuclear Power Plant or the Avengers including their Mansion, what's their to discuss? Everyone knows how Prime operates. His going to go in close and try to punch their heads off. Thor creates a vortex large enough to encompass all of the combatants, and sends Prime to some hell dimension. Thor can control who goes where inside the area of effect.

Like I said, he has great resistance to being hurt by magic. That doesn't translate into somehow canceling out magic. Not without evidence. So far his been blasted/attacked by seemingly raw power that tried to harm his person. It simply has little effect, causing him to be tickled. Until we see a spell or some other magic different from blast-him-into-nothing, I'll assume it's viable. It's possible that Thor's vortexes *could* work, but frankly, I think you're digging quite a bit to say that they *would* work. The scans you presented show Thor creating vortexes around stationary objects/characters -- if Prime were moving around at any type of speed (as he did against all the heroes in SCW) there's nothing that leads me to believe said vortexes would be successful.

As for Prime's immunity to magic: magical energy is magical energy. If he can shrug off magical blasts from Mordru, why would I believe magical BFR-blasts from Mjolnir would be any more effective?

I would gather the bfr works since it's not a run of the mill "offensive" spell. it's not his durability or damage soak (which SBP has in spades obviously) that's being attacked with a bfr move by Thor.

he's gonna end up trying to contend with 3 peeps who can do that.
the rest are fodder.

They can BFR him.

Besides that prime wins.

Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
What else are they going to do to him?? They certainly arent beating him up. BFR is needed and the only option.

Mjolnir can manipulate souls, though it's rarely done. BRB has the same abilities.

Seriously though- if BFR isn't an option, both hammers are crazy powerful energy and matter manipulators- Flooding SBP with red solar energy to depower him would be a valid way to take him out.

Originally posted by Space M ummy

Seriously though- if BFR isn't an option, both hammers are crazy powerful energy and matter manipulators- Flooding SBP with red solar energy to depower him would be a valid way to take him out.

When have the hammers ever done that? I don't recall them having the power to fire red solar radiation. And how would they know to do it anyway? They have no knowledge of his weakness. Also, Prime has survived many attacks from red solar radiation, even to the point of flying through a red star.

Originally posted by keiththegreat
When have the hammers ever done that? I don't recall them having the power to fire red solar radiation. And how would they know to anyway? Also, Prime has survived many attacks from red solar radiation, even to the point of flying through a red star.

he survived flying though it, but it depowered him in the process.

As for when the hammers have done that- all the damn time. Thor drained the power from a galaxy destroying bomb and used it to ignite a dead star halfway across the universe.

Whatever energy they take in (and this can be an active draw, or passive) gets stored and rechanneled 100x.

as for how they know: That weakness is common knowledge by now, per board rules.

So a teleport to a red star > energy drain > TP back and direct it at SBP to drain him would absolutely work.

Hell, they may not even have to TP. the matter and energy manipulation abilities of the hammers are beastly. Elemental transmutation and even creation of antimatter (or anti-force) happens all the time. but I figure TP > drain and store > TP back is the simplest route.

Originally posted by keiththegreat
When have the hammers ever done that? I don't recall them having the power to fire red solar radiation. And how would they know to do it anyway? They have no knowledge of his weakness. Also, Prime has survived many attacks from red solar radiation, even to the point of flying through a red star.

But after he flew through that star he could not fly or use heat vision.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Seriously though- if BFR isn't an option I think BFR IS an option. I was just discussing its cited effectiveness, is all.

Originally posted by Galan007
I think BFR IS an option. I was just discussing its cited effectiveness, is all.

I can dig that. I think BFR is the obvious way this fight would go, though if for whatever reason it wasn't possible, I was throwing out an alternative.

Originally posted by Space M ummy


as for how they know: That weakness is common knowledge by now, per board rules.


Does the common knowledge really work like that? Suppose Superman appears out of no where in the middle of New York. Will everyone go "Oh yeah its the Big Blue scout he has a weakness to kryptonite, red sun radiation and magic!" Bombard him! I was of the impression the common weakness pertained to their universe.

Prime wins

Originally posted by iceman24567
Prime wins After re-reading your post several times and thinking about your analysis for a pretty long time I came to the conclusion that I agree with this.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Does the common knowledge really work like that? Suppose Superman appears out of no where in the middle of New York. Will everyone go "Oh yeah its the Big Blue scout he has a weakness to kryptonite, red sun radiation and magic!" Bombard him! I was of the impression the common weakness pertained to their universe.

No, common weakness means basically that things like superman being vulnerable to red solar radiation and kryptonite are things that are known to most heroes and villains. So board combatants should be aware of it, regardless of what universe they come from.

Things like superman being clark kent or spiderman having spider sense which are NOT known to the general populace or the average hero/villain would not be "common knowledge."

Originally posted by Parmaniac
After re-reading your post several times and thinking about your analysis for a pretty long time I came to the conclusion that I agree with this. I heart you too

Originally posted by iceman24567
I heart you too http://mullingitover.com/images/zebraLionHug.jpg

Originally posted by Space M ummy
No, common weakness means basically that things like superman being vulnerable to red solar radiation and kryptonite are things that are known to most heroes and villains. So board combatants should be aware of it, regardless of what universe they come from.

Things like superman being clark kent or spiderman having spider sense which are NOT known to the general populace or the average hero/villain would not be "common knowledge."

Then I hereby declare the rule is made of:

http://www.granateseed.com/futilepodcast/wp-content/uploads/1109_final_biggest_crap.jpg

Originally posted by Space M ummy
spiderman having spider sense which are NOT known to the general populace or the average hero/villain would not be "common knowledge." http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/8573/commonlyknownpowerswiki.th.jpg

So basically just BRB and Thor vs Prime?

Yeah, Prime for the majority.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/8573/commonlyknownpowerswiki.th.jpg

Even Cap uses Wiki hahaha! Too bad Cap doesn't know it can be edited

Originally posted by Omega Vision
So basically just BRB and Thor vs Prime?

Yeah, Prime for the majority. Volstagg solos. sneer

Originally posted by Galan007
It's possible that Thor's vortexes *could* work, but frankly, I think you're digging quite a bit to say that they *would* work. The scans you presented show Thor creating vortexes around stationary objects/characters -- if Prime were moving around at any type of speed (as he did against all the heroes in SCW) there's nothing that leads me to believe said vortexes would be successful.

facepalm

I don't understand what you have trouble contemplating.

Does Prime engage foes mostly in close combat or not?

Can Thor create vortexes large enough to encompass all of the combatants?

Can Thor control where to send everybody inside the area of effect?

Hint: The answer to all those questions is yes.

Now based on that information, why on earth do you think I'm digging?

Prime is going to try and close in on them like 90% of the time. Best case scenario, he might try a heat vision blast from close range. As such, battle field removing him would be easy for Thor.

Your best bet is too argue he'll go for Thor first, preventing him from battle field removal but that wouldn't be exactly the most solid of stances.

Originally posted by Galan007
As for Prime's immunity to magic: magical energy is magical energy. If he can shrug off magical blasts from Mordru, why would I believe magical BFR-blasts from Mjolnir would be any more effective?

Because as far as we've seen, his only resistant to magic; he doesn't have some anti-magic aura around him. It simply affects him to a small degree in comparison to Superman. While a blast from Mordu hurt Superman, in that story his attack only tickled Prime. His attacks didn't fizzle out.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
facepalm

I don't understand what you have trouble contemplating.

Does Prime engage foes mostly in close combat or not?

Can Thor create vortexes large enough to encompass all of the combatants?

Can Thor control where to send everybody inside the area of effect?

Hint: The answer to all those questions is yes.

Now based on that information, why on earth do you think I'm digging?

Prime is going to try and close in on them like 90% of the time. Best case scenario, he might try a heat vision blast from close range. As such, battle field removing him would be easy for Thor.

Your best bet is too argue he'll go for Thor first, preventing him from battle field removal but that wouldn't be exactly the most solid of stances. It's funny how heated you get when you're questioned on Thor-related info. Utilizing the facepalm smilie doesn't make your points any more valid, just so you know.

Anyhow, none of the above changes the fact that every scan you posted depicts Thor manifesting a vortex around stationary objects/characters. And like I said above: if Prime was moving around at any type of speed (as he did against the groups of heroes in SCW) there's no reason to believe the vortexes would work.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Because as far as we've seen, his only resistant to magic; he doesn't have some anti-magic aura around him. It simply affects him to a small degree in comparison to Superman. While a blast from Mordu hurt Superman, in that story his attack only tickled Prime. His attacks didn't fizzle out. Right.

So it stands to reason that Prime would be very resistant to a magical BFR-zap from Mjolnir. It's illogical to assume otherwise, imo.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
So basically just BRB and Thor vs Prime?

Yeah, Prime for the majority.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
So basically just BRB and Thor vs Prime?

Yeah, Prime for the majority.

prime wins without too much trouble

Originally posted by Galan007
It's funny how heated you get when you're questioned on Thor-related info. Utilizing the facepalm smilie doesn't make your points any more valid, just so you know.

Anyhow, none of the above changes the fact that every scan you posted depicts Thor manifesting a vortex around stationary objects/characters. And like I said above: if Prime was moving around at any type of speed (as he did against the groups of heroes in SCW) there's no reason to believe the vortexes would work.

I'll write it down.

Okay, there is some miss-communication between us. So here comes the diagram:
http://img801.imageshack.us/f/unledur.jpg/ (Forgive the quality)

Do you understand what I mean? Prime is going to attack them head on, and we'll be inside of the area of effect.

Or are you saying that if Prime moves at a certain level of speed, the vortex simply won't work on him? I.e. if the Flash paced back in forth in one spot at light speed, a vortex wouldn't affect him? If not, I don't understand why you think Prime bull rushing the team is going to stop the vortex from working on him unless you believe his going to for Thor.

Originally posted by Galan007
Right.

So it stands to reason that Prime would be very resistant to a magical BFR-zap from Mjolnir. It's illogical to assume otherwise, imo.

Okay, I guess will have to agree to disagree because we aren't changing each others mind.

Sorry for the late reply, I forgot about this until Philo mentioned it.

^ love your diagram man lol

Loki says "Hey SBP I bet your not worthy enough, or is it a hero enough to lift thor's hammer."

SBP: "Oh yeah! Well see!"

SBP tries and tries and pulls his groin and passes out. Loki FTW!!

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Loki says "Hey SBP I bet your not worthy enough, or is it a hero enough to lift thor's hammer."

SBP: "Oh yeah! Well see!"

SBP tries and tries and pulls his groin and passes out. Loki FTW!!

Imagine Thor and Loki's surprise if he did lift it by retcon punch killing the magical enchantment to death.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Imagine Thor and Loki's surprise if he did lift it by retcon punch killing the magical enchantment to death.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Imagine Thor and Loki's surprise if he did lift it by retcon punch killing the magical enchantment to death.

then the team would have to forfeit. But to be be honest his whiny lil ***** ass would never lift it.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Loki says "Hey SBP I bet your not worthy enough, or is it a hero enough to lift thor's hammer."

SBP: "Oh yeah! Well see!"

SBP tries and tries and pulls his groin and passes out. Loki FTW!!

SBP would lift the whole planet while trying to lift the hammer, then he would proceed to beat the shit out of the team, till nothing of the planet remains, just the hammer with some dirt on it, so yeah, in the end he would lift it.

Prime is immune to magic
He would lift it
Mjolnir is a douchebag
It betrayed thor
It is not worthy to be wielded by god of thunder
Thor should smash it to pieces and get a new hammer made

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'll write it down.

Okay, there is some miss-communication between us. So here comes the diagram:
http://img801.imageshack.us/f/unledur.jpg/ (Forgive the quality)

Do you understand what I mean? Prime is going to attack them head on, and we'll be inside of the area of effect.

Or are you saying that if Prime moves at a certain level of speed, the vortex simply won't work on him? I.e. if the Flash paced back in forth in one spot at light speed, a vortex wouldn't affect him? If not, I don't understand why you think Prime bull rushing the team is going to stop the vortex from working on him unless you believe his going to for Thor.



Okay, I guess will have to agree to disagree because we aren't changing each others mind.

Sorry for the late reply, I forgot about this until Philo mentioned it. Ok, so you're saying that Thor would have enough time to twirl his hammer around, and manifest an all-encompassing vortex around the entire field that would only BFR Prime, before he was directly attacked, right? I could buy that.

However, the scans you provided depict Thor being transported -along with- everyone else he manifested a vortex around. Is there proof that he can manifest a vortex around everyone on the battlefield (inc. himself) but can single out who gets transported and who doesn't?

Originally posted by Galan007
Ok, so you're saying that Thor would have enough time to twirl his hammer around, and manifest an all-encompassing vortex around the entire field that would only BFR Prime, before he was directly attacked, right? I could buy that.

However, the scans you provided depict Thor being transported -along with- everyone else he manifested a vortex around. Is there proof that he can manifest a vortex around everyone on the battlefield (inc. himself) but can single out who gets transported and who doesn't?

Yes, that's my stance. As you know, Thor can create vortexes nearly instantaneously.

In three different set of scans I provided, Thor actually transports beings inside his vortex to different locations around the world. For example, he creates a vortex around himself, Giant Man, Captain America, Black Panther etc. and each of them ends up in different locations such as Egypt, America and so on.

If you want a scan specifically showing someone not being transported inside the area of effect, there's the scene where he battle field removes the Destroyer. He is inside the area of effect, but he does not get transported along with the armor.

Based on these showings, I believe the method I presented, if you assume Thor will go for a battle field removal, would the easiest way of getting rid of Prime. At least imho.

For the record, Thor's teleportation is extremely quick. IIRC, Cho timed it in the microseconds.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes, that's my stance. As you know, Thor can create vortexes nearly instantaneously.

In three different set of scans I provided, Thor actually transports beings inside his vortex to different locations around the world. For example, he creates a vortex around himself, Giant Man, Captain America, Black Panther etc. and each of them ends up in different locations such as Egypt, America and so on.

If you want a scan specifically showing someone not being transported inside the area of effect, there's the scene where he battle field removes the Destroyer. He is inside the area of effect, but he does not get transported along with the armor.

Based on these showings, I believe the method I presented, if you assume Thor will go for a battle field removal, would the easiest way of getting rid of Prime. At least imho.

For the record, Thor's teleportation is extremely quick. IIRC, Cho timed it in the microseconds. I still disagree.

Even assuming said vortex would work, BFR isn't generally Thor's first option. So if he's fighting in character here, he'd likely try different, more head-on, tactics before using more exotic abilities like BFR. He's a lot like Prime in that regard.

Originally posted by Galan007
I still disagree.

Do you disagree about it working or do you disagree about Thor employing the tactic?

Originally posted by Galan007
Even assuming said vortex would work, BFR isn't generally Thor's first option. So if he's fighting in character here, he'd likely try different, more head-on, tactics before using more exotic abilities like BFR. He's a lot like Prime in that regard.

Do you have reason to believe it wouldn't? If so, what is it? I'm just curious.

Yes, Thor is head strong. Battle field removal or energy manipulation as I stated would simply be the quickest way to win. How many times Thor uses this tactic out of 10 however is far from certain.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Do you disagree about it working or do you disagree about Thor employing the tactic?



Do you have reason to believe it wouldn't? If so, what is it? I'm just curious.

Yes, Thor is head strong. Battle field removal or energy manipulation as I stated would simply be the quickest way to win. How many times Thor uses this tactic out of 10 however is far from certain. I agree that it probably can work - assuming what you said above is correct, and Thor can pick and choose where the all-encompassing vortex sends the various beings it surrounds.

But more times than not, BFR isn't the first tactic Thor would try to utilize against an opponent anyway. So while it may be a proverbial 'tool in Thor's toolbox', it likely isn't a tool he'd pull out unless this battle lasted an extensive amount of time - which is doubtful. Imo.

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One of them calls him "child", and he starts ripping off limbs and shoving heads up asses.

Originally posted by Galan007
I agree that it probably can work - assuming what you said above is correct, and Thor can pick and choose where the all-encompassing vortex sends the various beings it surrounds.

But more times than not, BFR isn't the first tactic Thor would try to utilize against an opponent anyway. So while it may be a proverbial 'tool in Thor's toolbox', it likely isn't a tool he'd pull out unless this battle lasted an extensive amount of time - which is doubtful. Imo.

Well, if you don't believe me, I can post the scans if necessary. Usually I'd have done it by now but I'm lazy at the moment.

Eh, I agree that Thor doesn't jump to battle field removal. How much do you expect Prime's stock to fall when he returns?

Originally posted by Galan007
if Prime were moving around at any type of speed (as he did against all the heroes in SCW) there's nothing that leads me to believe said vortexes would be successful.

When did that happen, I only remember the Flashes he knocked back.

SBP shoves Thor's head up every asgardians ass after KOing them as soon as the battle starts.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Well, if you don't believe me, I can post the scans if necessary. Usually I'd have done it by now but I'm lazy at the moment.

Eh, I agree that Thor doesn't jump to battle field removal. How much do you expect Prime's stock to fall when he returns? I believe ya. I doubt you'd have a reason to lie about something like that.

I think 'plummet' is the word I'd use. But to Prime's credit, team-wreckers as uber as he is/was are usually never as consistent as he's been over the years, so he could still surprise us all.

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Originally posted by Deadline
When did that happen, I only remember the Flashes he knocked back. He also bumrushed the entire group of heroes, subsequently owning several of them in the process.

Originally posted by nicamarvien
you proved yourself to be a hypocrite, first of all do you really think thor can create a vortex before prime will fly right into him and punch his head off? then you have to prove thor can create his vortex faster than prime can cover the distance between them which you cant do since creating a vortex takes even more time then to punch and thor is a snail compared to prime so you fail

now i will show you how you proved yourself to be a hypocrite, you said that prime will just attack and fly right into the fight since thats what he does all the time, but when it came to thor suddenly he will start the fight by creating a vortex? thor has never and will never start a fight like that not only its out of his character but its a very dumb scenario, thor is always starting his fights by trying and slug it out with mjolnir and this is his mistake and where he will fall against prime

Didnt you just post this.

Originally posted by Galan007
I believe ya. I doubt you'd have a reason to lie about something like that lol.

I think 'plummet' is the word I'd use. But to Prime's credit, team-wreckers as uber as he is/was are usually never as consistent as he's been over the years, so he could still surprise us all.

You'd better. uhuh

If you're fan of Prime, I'd be worried. A more powerful than ever Mangog just got taken out for a page by a single attack from Thor. Granted he was still physically a monster (As shown by Iron Man only managing to knock him down) but back in the day, he'd laugh that shit off.

Good, I was wondering what happened to that sentence. lol.

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Reminded me of the Sheriff in Men in Tights.
Over that boy hand!

Originally posted by Galan007
He also bumrushed the entire group of heroes, subsequently owning several of them in the process.

The impression I got was you were arguing that he was moving at fast speeds constantly. I think thats arguably the same incident.

Originally posted by nicamarvien
you proved yourself to be a hypocrite, first of all do you really think thor can create a vortex before prime will fly right into him and punch his head off? then you have to prove thor can create his vortex faster than prime can cover the distance between them which you cant do since creating a vortex takes even more time then to punch and thor is a snail compared to prime so you fail

now i will show you how you proved yourself to be a hypocrite, you said that prime will just attack and fly right into the fight since thats what he does all the time, but when it came to thor suddenly he will start the fight by creating a vortex? thor has never and will never start a fight like that not only its out of his character but its a very dumb scenario, thor is always starting his fights by trying and slug it out with mjolnir and this is his mistake and where he will fall against prime

I never argued that Thor would go for battle field removal from the get go, as a matter of fact I usually point out the opposite when people make the assumption.

My first post in this thread was that removing Prime from the battle field or using energy manipulation would be the easiest ways to win. Working within those parameters, me and Galan debated whether or not it was possible. The likely hood of it happening based on Thor's character was not what the debate was about. Both of us know Thor doesn't go for the tactic off the bat unless there are specific circumstances etc.

Nice try though. For the record, if we assume Thor will attempt the tactic, we'd also have to take a leap to assume Prime would chase after Thor specifically. Here's a fun fact though: Thor doesn't need to hold on to Mjolnir to create the vortexes.

Originally posted by Deadline
The impression I got was you were arguing that he was moving at fast speeds constantly. Nope.

Based on the scans presented, Thor has only demonstrated the ability to manifest directional vortexes around stationary objects (ie. objects that aren't moving at all.) Hence why I said that if Prime were moving around at any type of speed (ie. not just standing there), those particular vortexes would be ineffectual against him. That's all I was saying.

...Sans the 'all-encompassing' vortexes Rage and I were just discussing, of course.

Originally posted by Galan007


Based on the scans presented, Thor has only demonstrated the ability to manifest directional vortexes around stationary objects (ie. objects that aren't moving at all.) Hence why I said that if Prime were moving around at any type of speed (ie. not just standing there), those particular vortexes would be ineffectual against him. That's all I was saying.



Obvoulsy that depends on how fast he was going in some parts of the SCW or IC he was hardly moving (or not at all).

Originally posted by Deadline
Obvoulsy that depends on how fast he was going in some parts of the SCW or IC he was hardly moving (or not at all). More times than not -especially while fighting teams- he was moving around in some way/shape/form.

Originally posted by Galan007
More times than not -especially while fighting teams- he was moving around in some way/shape/form.

I guess so but its still posible to zap him at the right time, however I don't even think the team will last long enough for it to be an option.

A vortex would be -a lot- more reliable than a magical BFR-zap, imo.

*shrug* Team lose, quite hard.

Sorry for the off-topic nature of this discussion but, Prime is coming back? When?

Yes, in a few months.

Originally posted by McNasty996
Sorry for the off-topic nature of this discussion but, Prime is coming back? When?

Teen Titans July I think.

Should be interesting?

I doubt it, thought they Fing resolved it with Blackest Night. Should have just left it alone, idiots. He found happiness but they just had to **** with it.

He was gone?

Current TT is a good read, though.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
He was gone?

Huh?

I didn't realised that he was gone for a comeback, thought he was roaming through some minor titles, the character is a bit to powerful to constantly have him around.

True.

I hope he stays evil no redeeming bs Clark needs to stfu with that

I hope he doesn't you nihilist.

I like SBP as a bad guy. Too many heroes in DC already. Besides they already have a superman.

Originally posted by Deadline
I hope he doesn't you nihilist.

BOOOOOO!!!!

Who's supposed to stop a good Prime? Him turning "face" would heavily disturb the good/bad balance imo. Unless they depower him hard.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Who's supposed to stop a good Prime? Him turning "face" would heavily disturb the good/bad balance imo. Unless they depower him hard. Yup they would have to depower him

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Who's supposed to stop a good Prime? Him turning "face" would heavily disturb the good/bad balance imo. Unless they depower him hard.
I see it being like Juggernaut's stint as a good guy.

He's going to get depowered and jobbed out while failing at being a good guy until some major hero goes apeshit on the world and Prime regains his power by yelling 'I'll kill you to death!' only to get bfred into a lake or some shit.

I just want to see SBP have a happy ending.

Originally posted by Deadline
I just want to see SBP have a happy ending.
He hasn't earned one yet IMO.

It sucks what happened to him, but it doesn't excuse all the atrocities he's committed.

Originally posted by Deadline
I just want to see SBP have a happy ending. Why?

Originally posted by Deadline
I just want to see SBP have a happy ending.

He is an excellent villian. They need a Universal challenge like that to keep DC interesting. I would love to see a team up between Amazo and SBP.

Originally posted by Mindset
Why?

Because hes not a bad person hes a good person who due to unfortuante circumstances became evil, it could happen to anyone.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
He hasn't earned one yet IMO.

It sucks what happened to him, but it doesn't excuse all the atrocities he's committed.

I don't like what he did, but the argument that you always have a choice isn't true. Good people have a breaking point and what happened to SBP could happen to anyone.

Originally posted by Deadline
Because hes not a bad person hes a good person who due to unfortuante circumstances became evil, it could happen to anyone.

Dude SBP is kind of a dick. Bad things happen to a lot of people and they don't do that stuff.

Spiderman has had a rough life, Batman, Superman, the Thing etc....they don't do any of that

Originally posted by Deadline
Because hes not a bad person hes a good person who due to unfortuante circumstances became evil, it could happen to anyone.
So he is a bad person.

Originally posted by Deadline
what happened to SBP could happen to anyone. You mean I could get kryptonian powers? THAT'S AWESOME!

Originally posted by Parmaniac
You mean I could get kryptonian powers? THAT'S AWESOME! lmao

Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
Dude SBP is kind of a dick. Bad things happen to a lot of people and they don't do that stuff.

Spiderman has had a rough life, Batman, Superman, the Thing etc....they don't do any of that

The difference they were adults when those things happened to them and in the case of Batman he had support from Alfred. SBP was a teenager who had his mind warped by being in a dimension that messed with his psyche and was manipulated by a genuis. Nobody here can say they wouldn't turn out bad.

In the real world good people can do bad things its just depends on how far you push them, nobody wants to admit it. I'm not saying that people don't have any responsiibility but what happened to SBP would mess up anyone.

Originally posted by Mindset
Why? Because then it means whiny, stupid, immature and self-centered fanboys everywhere can have a happy ending!

^ Yea and Odin can't manipulate time either.

Originally posted by Deadline
The difference they were adults when those things happened to them and in the case of Batman he had support from Alfred. SBP was a teenager who had his mind warped by being in a dimension that messed with his psyche and was manipulated by a genuis. Nobody here can say they wouldn't turn out bad.

In the real world good people can do bad things its just depends on how far you push them, nobody wants to admit it. I'm not saying that people don't have any responsiibility but what happened to SBP would mess up anyone.

Spiderman was a teenager when his uncle ben died. He was also very young when Gwen stacy died. Spiderman has had just as rough like as anyone. He is a first class hero.

SBP had powergirl and earth 2 Supes to help him. He is just a crybaby.

Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
Spiderman was a teenager when his uncle ben died. He was also very young when Gwen stacy died. Spiderman has had just as rough like as anyone. He is a first class hero.

SBP had powergirl and earth 2 Supes to help him. He is just a crybaby. And his best friend turned evil and tried to kill him.

Originally posted by Mindset
And his best friend turned evil and tried to kill him.

Spidermans best friends father killed his girlfriend

Originally posted by Mindset
And his best friend turned evil and tried to kill him. Good thing for Prime is he never had any friends haw-som

Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
Spiderman was a teenager when his uncle ben died. He was also very young when Gwen stacy died. Spiderman has had just as rough like as anyone. He is a first class hero.

He wasn't trapped inside a dimension that mentally tortured him for years. SBP has actually lost more people, he also wasn't then manipulated by a genuis while he was losing his mind. What happened to SBP was a lot worse.

Originally posted by Hyperion Prime

SBP had powergirl and earth 2 Supes to help him. He is just a crybaby.

To be fair if you were in the same situation you wouldn't do any better.

Originally posted by Deadline
He wasn't trapped inside a dimension that mentally tortured him for years. SBP has actually lost more people, he also wasn't then manipulated by a genuis while he was losing his mind. What happened to SBP was a lot worse.



To be fair if you were in the same situation you wouldn't do any better.

You don't know that.

Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
Spidermans best friends father killed his girlfriend Didn't he bang her too?

Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
You don't know that. You don't think you would blow up entire planets out of sheer butthurtness?

Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
You don't know that.

Yea and don't know if the sun will come out tommorrow either. Yes I'm pretty sure if somebody killed your family and your gf and you were chucked into a boring repitative dimension for years and were manipulated by a genuis you would end up bad.

Originally posted by Mindset
Didn't he bang her too?

Yes but he didnt learn that to years later.

Originally posted by Deadline
Yea and don't know if the sun will come out tommorrow either. Yes I'm pretty sure if somebody killed your family and your gf and you were chucked into a boring repitative dimension for years and were manipulated by a genuis you would end up bad. You're such a pessimist.

Originally posted by Deadline
Yea and don't know if the sun will come out tommorrow either. Yes I'm pretty sure if somebody killed your family and your gf and you were chucked into a boring repitative dimension for years and were manipulated by a genuis you would end up bad. Parker > SBP

Deal with it.

I'm a realist...yea kinda ironic.

Originally posted by Mindset
Parker > SBP

Deal with it.

I'll kill you to death!!!! durhulk

Originally posted by Deadline
Yea and don't know if the sun will come out tommorrow either. Yes I'm pretty sure if somebody killed your family and your gf and you were chucked into a boring repitative dimension for years and were manipulated by a genuis you would end up bad.

Thats just the thing. In the real world I know people who have lost there whole families and have never blamed anyone...and guess what they turned out okay. They basically were put into a tortous dimension because now all of a sudden they are by themselves with know one they care about to talk to.

As far the evil genuis part some people lose there families and wind up in foster homes with absolute manipulative assholes and they turn out ok. I undserstand where you are coming from, but people handle things in different ways. Clark would never do any of this evil stuff.

Originally posted by Deadline
I'm a realist...yea kinda ironic. I reply to people who call me a pessimist with the same.

Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
Thats just the thing. In the real world I know people who have lost there whole families and have never blamed anyone...and guess what they turned out okay. They basically were put into a tortous dimension because now all of a sudden they are by themselves with know one they care about to talk to.

As far the evil genuis part some people lose there families and wind up in foster homes with absolute manipulative assholes and they turn out ok. I undserstand where you are coming from, but people handle things in different ways. Clark would never do any of this evil stuff.

Your right but you can't be suprised if somebody in that situation ends up bad. Willpower is like alot of things every one has a limit and just because he isn't as strong as Clark don't make him bad. It's not as if he got up one day and decided to be an ******* it could happen to anyone. I dunno SBP lost his whole universe and Alexander Luthor isn't your average genuis.

Anyway the concept of the character is that the years of isolation warped his mind, not that hes evil.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I reply to people who call me a pessimist with the same. http://images.killermovies.com/forums/custom_avatars/avatar119243_2.gif

haw-som

I wonder if something like this would work on Prime ?

1. http://img687.imageshack.us/i/hype1.jpg/

2. http://img339.imageshack.us/i/hype2.jpg/

Something that bugs me is that lot's of times people come up with ass old scans of Thor doing shit.

Please dont harm my family.

Originally posted by Don Corleone
. Please dont harm my family. Don't worry, I'll kiss them first.

Originally posted by Deadline
Your right but you can't be suprised if somebody in that situation ends up bad. Willpower is like alot of things every one has a limit and just because he isn't as strong as Clark don't make him bad. It's not as if he got up one day and decided to be an ******* it could happen to anyone. I dunno SBP lost his whole universe and Alexander Luthor isn't your average genuis.

Anyway the concept of the character is that the years of isolation warped his mind, not that hes evil.

Cool man I understood what you meant