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The Flash & Zoom VS The Runner & Makkari

no prep. runner doesn't have space gem.


who wins in each case?

1. battle until KO or incapacitation

2. a race

1) Zoom could solo and Flash Bart/Wally/Barry solos
2) Flash doesn't lose races...

lol

If flash's speed steel is effective team 1 will win. Makkari will not be a problem.. He's more a distraction.. It's all about Runner for team 2 because of his "aura" and the fact that he basically moves in air and space like he does on land.. Zoom should be able to tag him if while he's on the ground, but he does have crazy durability and damage soak..

Makkari has no business being here.

That and Zoom solos everyone in a race and probably a fight.

Team uno. No contest.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
If flash's speed steel is effective team 1 will win. Makkari will not be a problem.. He's more a distraction.. It's all about Runner for team 2 because of his "aura" and the fact that he basically moves in air and space like he does on land.. Zoom should be able to tag him if while he's on the ground, but he does have crazy durability and damage soak.. Flash can run in space still looking for the cosmic race if any one is willing to help me. Unfortunately I'm running around to friends as my subscribtions are out and I'm trying to save up for a new car as mines just about had it.

Originally posted by Galan007
Team uno. No contest.

Team 2. Runner is the strongest one here.

zoom solos

How does Zoom solo when Runners aura will prevent Zoom from attacking him

Originally posted by BullwinkleMoose
Team 2. Runner is the strongest one here.

Originally posted by Uriel005
Flash can run in space still looking for the cosmic race if any one is willing to help me. Unfortunately I'm running around to friends as my subscribtions are out and I'm trying to save up for a new car as mines just about had it.

Just use the OWAW instance. He was running in space just fine in that situation iirc.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
He is.

Doesn't mean they win though.

Originally posted by Mindset
He is.

Doesn't mean they win though. Unless you mean physically then no...no hes not.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Unless you mean physically then no...no hes not. raw physical strength from a standing position Runner is stronger but by no means is he stronger than flash or zoom.

flash has human strength, runner is millions of times stronger than flash,
i think runner can outrun the speedforce

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
flash has human strength, runner is millions of times stronger than flash,
i think runner can outrun the speedforce Speedforce...being outran....no.

I don't think anything is faster than the speedforce.

And zoom isn't faster naturally. Hes cheating sneer

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
i think runner can outrun the speedforce

i lol'd

Originally posted by Sirius77
Just use the OWAW instance. He was running in space just fine in that situation iirc.

How fast was he running in space? Its kind of different than him runing on land "don't you think"? Show me something saying that he keeps his same speed while running on air.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
fi think runner can outrun the speedforce

Hmm nono

Btw team 1.

Originally posted by carver9
How fast was he running in space? Its kind of different than him runing on land "don't you think"? Show me something saying that he keeps his same speed while running on air. During his race with Krakkl, Wally was not only running through space and time, but he was exceeding the speed of light, escaping the pull of black holes, outracing zeta-beams, etc. There was/is no change in his speed regardless of what he's running on.

Originally posted by Galan007
During his race with Krakkl, Wally was not only running through space and time, but he was exceeding the speed of light, escaping the pull of black holes, outracing zeta-beams, etc. There was/is no change in his speed regardless of what he's running on.


arent you leaving something out like Krakkl amping him? IIRC there were some factors in that story....

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
arent you leaving something out like Krakkl amping him? IIRC there were some factors in that story.... Krakkl amped Wally WELL after all the feats I mentioned were preformed... In a completely different issue, in fact.

Is that feat canon?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Unless you mean physically then no...no hes not. No, I mean he is more powerful than them, and I'm right.

Originally posted by carver9
Is that feat canon? Considering it happened in v2 of his solo series, I'd say so.

Originally posted by carver9
Is that feat canon?

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad214/prepman005/jmpndlms.jpg

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
arent you leaving something out like Krakkl amping him? IIRC there were some factors in that story.... I do believe the race involved Krakkl actually drawing and trying to drain Flash.

Originally posted by Uriel005
Flash can run in space still looking for the cosmic race if any one is willing to help me. Unfortunately I'm running around to friends as my subscribtions are out and I'm trying to save up for a new car as mines just about had it.

Why do u keep playing up how he can run in space? he cant run in space under his own power. ure telling me he can fly with his feet?


Originally posted by Uriel005
I do believe the race involved Krakkl actually drawing and trying to drain Flash.

Umm.. Where are you getting this from?

Originally posted by Galan007
During his race with Krakkl, Wally was not only running through space and time, but he was exceeding the speed of light, escaping the pull of black holes, outracing zeta-beams, etc. There was/is no change in his speed regardless of what he's running on.

ure playing up that "space time" bit a little too much.. there were other factors..

Originally posted by Galan007
Krakkl amped Wally WELL after all the feats I mentioned were preformed... In a completely different issue, in fact.

I think he had other amps and other factors contributing to those "feats".

u both are playing this running in space too much...

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Why do u keep playing up how he can run in space? he cant run in space under his own power. ure telling me he can fly with his feet?




Umm.. Where are you getting this from?



ure playing up that "space time" bit a little too much.. there were other factors..



I think he had other amps and other factors contributing to those "feats".

u both are playing this running in space too much... Speedforce lets him do a lot of crap that he shouldn't be able to do. It's also the reason why things don't just die when he runs FTL on the surface of a planet as he passes by. and Bullshit he can't run in space under his own power. Damn dude you are so full of Flash rage it's funny. Team 1 ftw.

Originally posted by Uriel005
Speedforce lets him do a lot of crap that he shouldn't be able to do. It's also the reason why things don't just die when he runs FTL on the surface of a planet as he passes by. and Bullshit he can't run in space under his own power. Damn dude you are so full of Flash rage it's funny. Team 1 ftw.

Most stories point to Flash losing effectiveness when not running on something not concrete enough.. Air, space, etc..

Makkari's a complete non-factor in a fight; not sure why the OP took away the Space Gem.

There is a decent chance that Flash and Zoom won't even attack Runner because of his Aura.

"alien accelerator"
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Miscelaneous/Flashv213604.jpg

"we will construct a track through the entire structure of your space time continuum"
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Miscelaneous/Flashv213612.jpg

"here I am running on a racetrack that curves in and out of the landscape of spacetime itself"
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Miscelaneous/Flashv213614.jpg

amps himself with the entire kinetic energy of earth...
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Miscelaneous/Flash138p04.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Miscelaneous/Flash138p05.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Miscelaneous/Flash138p09.jpg
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Miscelaneous/Flash138p10.jpg

takes the speed of Krakkl who was amped by his own planet... he was able to beat the instantaneous teleport(countless lightyears long) of the higher beings with these amps..
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/Miscelaneous/Flash138p11.jpg

I love the fact how peeps on here tried to portray that there were no factors involved in some of the "feats" mentioned earlier and similar flash threads... Hey Uriel buddy, me thinks u just lost some credibility with ure cherry picking ways... this goes for anyone else who spews all this "Flash can easily run in space/air BS" or the ever famous "but he beat instantaneous travel" that's been thrown around these forums lately... leaving out key information is as good as lying...

ahh... some peace and quiet...

He he he...

That said team 2...

Originally posted by Mindset
No, I mean he is more powerful than them, and I'm right. No hes not...

Originally posted by Black bolt z
No hes not...


who is what?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Most stories point to Flash losing effectiveness when not running on something not concrete enough.. Air, space, etc.. Infinite speed makes effectiveness moot. Infinite with limited effectiveness is still infinite.

Originally posted by Uriel005
Infinite speed makes effectiveness moot. Infinite with limited effectiveness is still infinite.


Yeah so tell me again about Flash running in space/air....
I just want to be clear on your stance...

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Yeah so tell me again about Flash running in space/air....
I just want to be clear on your stance...


I believe someone cited OWAW. I merely point out that there have been several times where it is stated that the Flash's speed becomes infinite on a Speedforce which he does on panel. So if he is at all capable for running in space then infinite speed of speedforce makes his effectiveness at moving in space moot because Infinite even hindered is still infinite.

Originally posted by Uriel005
I believe someone cited OWAW. I merely point out that there have been several times where it is stated that the Flash's speed becomes infinite on a Speedforce which he does on panel. So if he is at all capable for running in space then infinite speed of speedforce makes his effectiveness at moving in space moot because Infinite even hindered is still infinite.

wow.... just wow...

to each his own...

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
who is what?

Runner is not the most powerful person here.