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in one corner we have Venom who have been creating anti-religious and Satanic music since the early 80's and released the album "black metal". in the other corner we have Bathory who have been major pioneers of the genre by using the shrieks, poor production. many people can't decide who formed black metal. what are your opinions on the subject?

Well venom....

The genre was named after that album.

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
Well venom....

The genre was named after that album. Wasn't that more of a thrash album?

Kind of like how DOA coined the term hardcore despite the genre having existed 3 years prior.

but Bathory was the first band to do the shrieks and start the traditional poor quality recordings.

Yup, methinks it was Bathory.

They pioneered the traditional shrieking sound.

kind of like asking who invented death metal: Possessed or Death?

Bathory