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Something I've never understood is these christians somehow reading over the hundreds of references the bible has condemning the eating of pork. Old and new testament say don't do it. It goes as far as saying anyone with swine between his teeth can never enter the kingdom of God. Yet, just across the street from me there is a church having a pig picking. WTF? Sure, people say bacon is great or whatever, I wouldn't know. But is it that great? Anyway, if you're a christian and believe it's ok to eat that crap, tell me where you get it from. And don't try to pass off the vision peter had on the roof in which God told him to eat unclean foods. That was clearly stated later to have meant nothing about food and only about gentiles not being unclean.

Originally posted by long pig
But is it that great? Yes

The Bible solidly states that we shouldn't eat unclean foods such as pork, shell fish, certain hoofed animals, and certain kinds of fish (scaleless, I think) . Pretty much the bottom feeders and predators of the world.

Maybe they, Christians, feel since Jesus died for all sins that they could eat it and still be forgiven? I know that the SDA church doesn't condone eating it.


I, myself, love shell fish!

IIRC Jesus said that the old laws should be discarded but never specified which ones, leaving lots of wiggle room for later Christians.

He also said the complete opposite, that absolutely no laws would be changed...

Jesus said that what comes out of your mouth defiles you, not what goes into it. I imagine that is the justification.

I'm an atheist vegetarian who calls himself a Catholic vegetarian because I eat fish, but I call myself that just to mess with people.

And I find meat delicious, and will wolf it down to freak the sh*t out of people who think being vegetarian means abhorring meat, people who eat it, etc. etc. and all that other hippy crap. Not often, mind you, but it's happened a few times.

Eat yer damn meat if you want, religion or not.

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Obviously my response had nothing to do with religion really. I don't really care about this discussion.

Originally posted by Digi
I'm an atheist vegetarian who calls himself a Catholic vegetarian because I eat fish, but I call myself that just to mess with people.

And I find meat delicious, and will wolf it down to freak the sh*t out of people who think being vegetarian means abhorring meat, people who eat it, etc. etc. and all that other hippy crap. Not often, mind you, but it's happened a few times.

Eat yer damn meat if you want, religion or not.

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Obviously my response had nothing to do with religion really. I don't really care about this discussion.

I agree: the reasons behind those "meat" rules were more about health and sanitation than they were about something spiritual.



Also...if I understand you correctly, you say you are a vegetarian JUST so you can mess with people when you go to eat meat?

That's not only funny, but I'm going to steal that and start punking people.

Originally posted by King Kandy
He also said the complete opposite, that absolutely no laws would be changed...

Jesus said that what comes out of your mouth defiles you, not what goes into it. I imagine that is the justification.
Jesus approves of fellatio.

You heard it here first.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I agree: the reasons behind those "meat" rules were more about health and sanitation than they were about something spiritual.



Also...if I understand you correctly, you say you are a vegetarian JUST so you can mess with people when you go to eat meat?

That's not only funny, but I'm going to steal that and start punking people.

Actually, no, I'm a legit vegetarian. Health reasons, primarily. But I don't give a damn about eating meat occasionally to prove a point, especially if it's hilarious.

Originally posted by Digi
Actually, no, I'm a legit vegetarian. Health reasons, primarily. But I don't give a damn about eating meat occasionally to prove a point, especially if it's hilarious.



That makes sense, actually. A single session, spread out over many meals, is not bad for you.

because stupid rules are stupid (no offence)

and yes, bacon is that great.

Originally posted by Digi
Actually, no, I'm a legit vegetarian. Health reasons, primarily. But I don't give a damn about eating meat occasionally to prove a point, especially if it's hilarious.


IDK if i'd call that vegetarian or just "doesn't eat much meat".

Many people would argue that the proscriptions of the kushrat related to such foods (e.g., pork, shellfish) have no place in a modern world in which we understand the concepts of disease and illness much more clearly and can properly prepare them.

Besides, they taste good.

Originally posted by King Kandy
IDK if i'd call that vegetarian or just "doesn't eat much meat".

Well. it's been for about 4 years and I can count the exceptions on probably both of my hands, so it's fairly close to legit vegetarianism. But I don't really care about the label, I'm good either way.

Originally posted by Digi
Well. it's been for about 4 years and I can count the exceptions on probably both of my hands, so it's fairly close to legit vegetarianism. But I don't really care about the label, I'm good either way.
But don't you eat fish?

Originally posted by King Kandy
But don't you eat fish?

No no, I do. And I realize that actual vegetarianism doesn't include fish. It's just, I hate saying all that most of the time, or getting into the "ovo-lacto" whatever-the-hell labels for the various veggie levels. It's much easier to say "I'm a vegetarian" and let people form whatever conclusions they want. Then, like I said, I can sometimes use those assumptions to hilarious ends, and other times it's just a convenience thing.

Anyway, the "exceptions" comment was referring to chicken, pork, red meats, etc. Sorry for the confusion.

Originally posted by King Kandy
He also said the complete opposite, that absolutely no laws would be changed...

Jesus said that what comes out of your mouth defiles you, not what goes into it. I imagine that is the justification.

Thanks for posting that.
I heard it somewhere that Jesus said that, but I thought I might have mixed it up with some other ideology.

Originally posted by long pig
Something I've never understood is these christians somehow reading over the hundreds of references the bible has condemning the eating of pork. Old and new testament say don't do it. It goes as far as saying anyone with swine between his teeth can never enter the kingdom of God. Yet, just across the street from me there is a church having a pig picking. WTF? Sure, people say bacon is great or whatever, I wouldn't know. But is it that great? Anyway, if you're a christian and believe it's ok to eat that crap, tell me where you get it from. And don't try to pass off the vision peter had on the roof in which God told him to eat unclean foods. That was clearly stated later to have meant nothing about food and only about gentiles not being unclean.

That is so trivial - what I've never understood is those who are so obsessed with what they eat as to not offend their God because it's ''dirty''.

I've eaten snake, rabbit, pork, beef, pickled chicken feet, all kinds of sea food, horse meat, pigeons (unconfirmed - i've been told it's chicken, but in the back of my head I always suspected it being a pigeon). I'll try scorpion too, one of these days.

I even know people who've eaten human placenta, cats and dogs.
God knows how many bugs I've eaten and didn't even know.

God must be really pissed.

Originally posted by Digi
No no, I do. And I realize that actual vegetarianism doesn't include fish. It's just, I hate saying all that most of the time, or getting into the "ovo-lacto" whatever-the-hell labels for the various veggie levels. It's much easier to say "I'm a vegetarian" and let people form whatever conclusions they want. Then, like I said, I can sometimes use those assumptions to hilarious ends, and other times it's just a convenience thing.

I posted about that in another thread a while ago:

Originally posted by dadudemon
It's far easier to say "vegetarian except for fish" than to say "pescetarianism."

However, it is even better to say, "I'm a pescetarianism which means I'm a vegetarian except for fish. " The "ignorant" learn something new, that way.

Whadduya think? You like the idea or think it's still too confusing?

Originally posted by dadudemon
I posted about that in another thread a while ago:



Whadduya think? You like the idea or think it's still too confusing?

I think that's a good idea as long as I'm in an altruistic mood, and don't mind taking the time to teach someone the term and have the inevitable ensuing conversation. I don't always feel like that though.

srug

Christians tend to take the New Testament more seriously.

Eating pork/beef/chicken/meat is okay for most Christians, although there are some denominations that have some rules.

Like, Seventh Day Adventists don't eat pork, nor do they eat meat on Fridays.

It's the Jewish faith that has the most clean/unclean eating rules, some to the extent that they have two kitchens and two sets of plates and such, so that kosher foods can be sure to be cooked and served completely separately from other foods. After all, the Torah is the first five books of the bible - Genesis, Exodus, Judges, Deuteronomy, and Numbers. Three out of five of those books list rules upon rules upon rules regarding every aspect of life, every sin that could be committed and what you're supposed to do about indentured servants.

It is people who are jewish that don't eat that kind of food. On Fridays its Christians who don't eat any kind of meat.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I posted about that in another thread a while ago:



Whadduya think? You like the idea or think it's still too confusing?
Something always just bugged me about the phrase "Vegetarian except for fish". It's like saying, you're "Heterosexual, except for all the gay sex". Which some people do identify themselves as, but idk...

Of course, as long as you admit you aren't a "real" vegetarian, I suppose there's no problem.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Something always just bugged me about the phrase "Vegetarian except for fish". It's like saying, you're "Heterosexual, except for all the gay sex". Which some people do identify themselves as, but idk...

Of course, as long as you admit you aren't a "real" vegetarian, I suppose there's no problem.

Yeah, seriously, you expect me to give up ALL the gay sex?!



Realistically, there are "levels" of vegetarianism. "Only eats fish" is just one of them. There isn't just one set thing that it either is or isn't. We just don't have enough socially accepted or well-known terms to call them by. So it's a linguistic phenomenon more so than anything.

Originally posted by Digi
Yeah, seriously, you expect me to give up ALL the gay sex?!



Realistically, there are "levels" of vegetarianism. "Only eats fish" is just one of them. There isn't just one set thing that it either is or isn't. We just don't have enough socially accepted or well-known terms to call them by. So it's a linguistic phenomenon more so than anything.

There is levels of vegetarianism...eating fish is not one of them, that's a level of NOT BEING A VEGETARIAN ANYMORE!!!

being a vegetarian is overrated anyways i'll die from heart disease before i try that again

Originally posted by King Kandy
Something always just bugged me about the phrase "Vegetarian except for fish". It's like saying, you're "Heterosexual, except for all the gay sex". Which some people do identify themselves as, but idk...

Of course, as long as you admit you aren't a "real" vegetarian, I suppose there's no problem.

Well, there's guys who are "gay-4-pay". In other words; they're straight but do gay porn and/or gay prostituting for the money.

And mainstream sociology (and psychology) maintains that there's a big difference an action/activity and how an individual self-identifies.

Originally posted by Bardock42
There is levels of vegetarianism...eating fish is not one of them, that's a level of NOT BEING A VEGETARIAN ANYMORE!!!

Psh. Your mom's a level of not being a vegetarian.

uhuh

Originally posted by King Kandy
Something always just bugged me about the phrase "Vegetarian except for fish". It's like saying, you're "Heterosexual, except for all the gay sex". Which some people do identify themselves as, but idk...

Of course, as long as you admit you aren't a "real" vegetarian, I suppose there's no problem.

I assume its the same logic that makes fish not a sort of meat.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Well, there's guys who are "gay-4-pay". In other words; they're straight but do gay porn and/or gay prostituting for the money.

And mainstream sociology (and psychology) maintains that there's a big difference an action/activity and how an individual self-identifies.
Like I said, people DO identify that way, and I said i didn't know how they related to this case. So what exactly was this supposed to teach me?

Originally posted by Digi
Psh. Your mom's a level of not being a vegetarian.

uhuh

How cruel!!!

Nothing wrong with being a ovo lacto fish vegetarian. I used to be.

I argee if you don't eat meat but you eat fish or any kind of seafood it is still a living sea creature.So people who do not eat meat should not eat that as well.

Originally posted by long pig
Anyway, if you're a christian and believe it's ok to eat that crap, tell me where you get it from. And don't try to pass off the vision peter had on the roof in which God told him to eat unclean foods. That was clearly stated later to have meant nothing about food and only about gentiles not being unclean. If God isn't actually talking about foods when he talks about foods, what makes you think pork and bacon were on the sin list to begin with?

That's like saying, "Give me one equation that results in the number twenty-five. And don't try to pass off 5x5 or 100/4. That clearly has nothing to do with numbers and only to do with arithmetic."

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
I argee if you don't eat meat but you eat fish or any kind of seafood it is still a living sea creature.So people who do not eat meat should not eat that as well.

Only if they aren't eating meat for humanitarian reasons. Saying they "shouldn't" is a bit presumptive, eh? If it's for environmental or health reasons, there are valid reasons for eating fish but not other animals.

I guess but most of them eat it because they don't want to eat animals but they are doing that when they eat sea creatures.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
I guess but most of them eat it because they don't want to eat animals but they are doing that when they eat sea creatures.

The ones that don't eat meat for humanitarian reasons likely aren't eating fish. Thus my point. I know dozens of vegetarians in some capacity. If they happen to eat fish, it's not to save animals. If they don't eat fish, they're doing it for humanitarian reasons (perhaps among other reasons, but that is one of them). You seem to be making up a demographic of vege's and ascribing motivations to them without having anything to back it up. I may be wrong, but my personal experience tells me you're looking for hypocrisy where it rarely exists.

Common sense should also dictate that there won't be too many of these people because, Catholic decrees aside, it doesn't take a genius to realize that fish are animals. I can't imagine many people saying they don't want to kill animals, then eating salmon with a straight face. Realistically, such people do exist, but just as realistically, not many of them do.

Also, along the same lines, what is "most" of them? Do you have statistics of vegetarian breakdowns? And what percentage of these "most" are eating fish?

Originally posted by King Kandy
Like I said, people DO identify that way, and I said i didn't know how they related to this case. So what exactly was this supposed to teach me?

It was supposed to teach you that you can take shaft up the ass and still be straight, as long as you're being paid to bend and spread cheek.

Originally posted by Digi
Only if they aren't eating meat for humanitarian reasons. Saying they "shouldn't" is a bit presumptive, eh? If it's for environmental or health reasons, there are valid reasons for eating fish but not other animals. Yeah, for health reasons. I could also say I'm mainly vegetarian but I eat fish as well.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
I guess but most of them eat it because they don't want to eat animals but they are doing that when they eat sea creatures.

Maybe they see clams, shrimp, fish and such as lesser animals?

Kind of like how most people won't advocate abusing mammals, even those slated for slaughter, but won't balk at squashing an insect or wiping out an entire nest...

Christians break tons of rules. That's why they're commanded not to judge others, obviously. They're guilty themselves.

I've known several of those fish-only vegetarians, and I just can't understand their rationale. They always give some corny excuse that doesn't add up, like; "Fish don't count" or "Its just different, trust me".

Also, they have to weigh the pros and cons: sure, you're getting plenty of Omega-3...but what about all that mercury?

They probably call themselves vegetarians, only because they've never heard of a pescetarian.

Another interesting thing about vegetarians: They can use leather products, and still consider themselves vegetarian, provided they don't eat meat.

Which, I suppose, only proves that one can be a vegetarian without regard to humanitarian concerns..

Originally posted by cdtm
Another interesting thing about vegetarians: They can use leather products, and still consider themselves vegetarian, provided they don't eat meat.

Duh, they're not all vegans. Plenty of people do it for health reasons.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Duh, they're not all vegans. Plenty of people do it for health reasons.

The leather product thing doesn't really disqualify them from calling themselves vegan, though... It's generally considered acceptable to use up our old products, instead of just tossing them out... (Buying new stuff is another story..)

I guess finding out about the leather thing was news to me, because limiting yourself to a strict vegetarian diet sounds like something that you'd almost have to be a little ethically/morally inclined towards it.. Not that I can't understand doing it for health reason, but we're still talking about major lifestyle change for most people...

Most of the vegetarians I know, started out simply weaning themselves off meat because they didn't feel right about it.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I've known several of those fish-only vegetarians, and I just can't understand their rationale. They always give some corny excuse that doesn't add up, like; "Fish don't count" or "Its just different, trust me".

Also, they have to weigh the pros and cons: sure, you're getting plenty of Omega-3...but what about all that mercury?

The people I talk too who are vegetarians say the same thing to me too when I question them about eating fish.

I like the whole saying you're a vegetarian thing to people just to scarf down meat idea. Sounds like fun!

Originally posted by cdtm
They probably call themselves vegetarians, only because they've never heard of a pescetarian.

I believe piscavor is the scientific term for animals that only or predominantly eat fish. But in order for that to apply to them, they'd have to eat mainly fish. Instead, they stick to salad and vegi-burgers, and occasionally have a salmon-roll at the local hip sushi joint when they feel like straying from vegetarianism.

lol yea that does sound fun!

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
IIRC Jesus said that the old laws should be discarded but never specified which ones, leaving lots of wiggle room for later Christians. No, no he didn't. He said that pharasee's laws are not to be followed. They wrote the first talmud. Jesus said the law, which is what the OT is called by jews, is here to stay.

Originally posted by King Kandy
He also said the complete opposite, that absolutely no laws would be changed...

Jesus said that what comes out of your mouth defiles you, not what goes into it. I imagine that is the justification. Exactly, he said "think not I come to annul the torah, i came to obey it" heb mat. As for the last part: He was rebutting a pharasee when he saw jesus eating without washing his hands. The oral tradition of the Pharasees said if you don't wash your hands while chanting a certain prayer, you defile yourself. Jesus was saying the dirt from unwashed hands that goes in your mouth is much cleaner than the false oral traditions that goes out from their mouths. That's all.

This isn't trivial and it isn't something god gets mad about. It's health laws. Basically all the unclean foods aren't good for you even science today agrees.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I've known several of those fish-only vegetarians, and I just can't understand their rationale. They always give some corny excuse that doesn't add up, like; "Fish don't count" or "Its just different, trust me".

Then you meet stupid people. Everyone knows fish is technically meat, but:

Originally posted by Digi
The ones that don't eat meat for humanitarian reasons likely aren't eating fish. Thus my point. I know dozens of vegetarians in some capacity. If they happen to eat fish, it's not to save animals. If they don't eat fish, they're doing it for humanitarian reasons (perhaps among other reasons, but that is one of them).

Common sense should also dictate that there won't be too many of these people because, Catholic decrees aside, it doesn't take a genius to realize that fish are animals. I can't imagine many people saying they don't want to kill animals, then eating salmon with a straight face. Realistically, such people do exist, but just as realistically, not many of them do.

So, when they say "It's just different" what are they referring to? Do fish not have souls to them? Or are they not doing it for humanitarian reasons, but other reasons? Or are they some version of Catholic? Or just deluded enough to think that fish aren't animals? Because I'd love to hear their rationale on why it's not cruel to eat fish, but it is to eat cow. Chances are you're just jumping to some incorrect conclusions.

You should find out for yourself and actually ask them. Otherwise you may be needlessly jaded in your opinion here.

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Originally posted by cdtm
Which, I suppose, only proves that one can be a vegetarian without regard to humanitarian concerns..

Kinda my original point. There's environmental, humanitarian, and health reasons that people use. Most aren't all 3.

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Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Also, they have to weigh the pros and cons: sure, you're getting plenty of Omega-3...but what about all that mercury?

Or what about any other health concern from a particular diet? Obviously moderation would need to be adhered to with any dietary lifestyle choice. Mercury levels also fluctuate wildly depending on the amount of fish you consume, what kinds, and from what sources.

Originally posted by The MISTER
I like the whole saying you're a vegetarian thing to people just to scarf down meat idea. Sounds like fun!

Oh, it is.

...it's just, you don't get too many opportunities, so if you weren't really vegetarian and ok with being one, you'd have to go a damn long time with the facade before you got any payoff. It's likely not feasible for anyone who wants to continue eating meat, at least if you want to sell the joke believably.

Originally posted by long pig
This isn't trivial and it isn't something god gets mad about. It's health laws. Basically all the unclean foods aren't good for you even science today agrees. Shellfish has iodine. We need that.

Originally posted by Digi
Then you meet stupid people. Everyone knows fish is technically meat, but:

So, when they say "It's just different" what are they referring to? Do fish not have souls to them? Or are they not doing it for humanitarian reasons, but other reasons? Or are they some version of Catholic? Or just deluded enough to think that fish aren't animals? Because I'd love to hear their rationale on why it's not cruel to eat fish, but it is to eat cow. Chances are you're just jumping to some incorrect conclusions.

You should find out for yourself and actually ask them. Otherwise you may be needlessly jaded in your opinion here.


Technically, being the operative word (everyone has their own little irrational quirks).

I really have no idea what they're referring to. I didn't pry. I figured their dietary habits are their business; it's not my place to play 20 Questions with them.

I should find out myself? Well, the fact that I don't have a hankering to know aside, the only fish-only vegetarian I keep in any kind of contact with is a former employee of mine. I still have his number on my cell, but I already have a good idea why: he's a Hindu so I'm pretty sure that is a big reason.

The rest of them (who I didn't really know all that well, just kinda/sorta) were liberal hippie-ish white people. Maybe they just rationalized the trick by telling themselves that slimey, scaley fish aren't as cute as their feathery and furry counterparts. Who the hell knows...

My veggie friend says she loves the taste of meat - but she won't eat it due to the way cattle is treated. She said that if the world was to treat cattle better she'd start eating meat without any problems...although I doubt she could after 17 years of being a vegetarian.

We once ate 'gan bian tu dou si' that probably had some meat hidden amongst the chillies that made her really sick. Everyone else was fine, apart from her.

Her digestive system probably couldn't handle it. I have a hard time digesting fatty meats myself.

Never quite understood the digestive argument. Must change over time. I'm going on 4 years, and the few times I've eaten meat have produced zero problems.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Technically, being the operative word (everyone has their own little irrational quirks).

I really have no idea what they're referring to. I didn't pry. I figured their dietary habits are their business; it's not my place to play 20 Questions with them.

I should find out myself? Well, the fact that I don't have a hankering to know aside, the only fish-only vegetarian I keep in any kind of contact with is a former employee of mine. I still have his number on my cell, but I already have a good idea why: he's a Hindu so I'm pretty sure that is a big reason.

The rest of them (who I didn't really know all that well, just kinda/sorta) were liberal hippie-ish white people. Maybe they just rationalized the trick by telling themselves that slimey, scaley fish aren't as cute as their feathery and furry counterparts. Who the hell knows...

My point is, don't jump to conclusions and have a condescending attitude toward them without knowing the details. Maybe it isn't intentional, but your posting demeanor drips of disdain. Though it's usually not relegated to just this thread.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
My veggie friend says she loves the taste of meat - but she won't eat it due to the way cattle is treated. She said that if the world was to treat cattle better she'd start eating meat without any problems...

Boycotting meat to protest the poor treatment of animals is something I can understand. Many farm animals in the US are treated pretty badly. At a lot of chicken farms, many chickens starve to death because they're too fat to walk. I used to drive a chicken truck in Mississippi, so I've seen it first hand.

Originally posted by Digi
My point is, don't jump to conclusions and have a condescending attitude toward them without knowing the details. Maybe it isn't intentional, but your posting demeanor drips of disdain. Though it's usually not relegated to just this thread.

Disdain how? If a person doesn't like meat, then that's their choice. I ain't here to judge; far be it from me to tell people what to eat.

Originally posted by Digi
My point is, don't jump to conclusions and have a condescending attitude toward them without knowing the details. Maybe it isn't intentional, but your posting demeanor drips of disdain. Though it's usually not relegated to just this thread.

It's funny cause you're right, but it's hard not to feel a little put off by strict vegans. (not the the ones that eat animals and make some sort of rationale) People that eat what looks like grass and berries every day is sort of funny cause if you don't yourself, you imagine that it's self inflicting an undesirable state. Sorta like the guys who used to beat themselves with whips(this worked to get them more attention as well). I'm sure that some would disagree, but there are some who sneak bacon bits when their significant others not watching like they're shooting up or something. It's hard to respect at that point, cause if your hearts not in it, rejecting food seems really high and mighty. The stereotype of more vegans being white is likely close to being accurate. Probably because options for young white people are understandably more varied than for youths in other cultures. Most black parents I know might kick they're kids ass for not eating what's served.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Boycotting meat to protest the poor treatment of animals is something I can understand. Many farm animals in the US are treated pretty badly. At a lot of chicken farms, many chickens starve to death because they're too fat to walk. I used to drive a chicken truck in Mississippi, so I've seen it first hand.

I've never understood that stance, actually.

I just don't see that it does anything. The meat is going to get produced whether you eat it or not. The only way that would have an impact on the food is if everyone started boycotting it. Which just isn't going to happen. The meat companies likely aren't even aware that you're doing it.

I did with the MAD COW scare. yeppers.

Would you like your brain to have holes like a sponge. You're eating those sickly cows. I like my brain just the way it is. Mmmm hmmmm.

i only eat free-range meat.

me too when at all possible.

I once read the words of the Honorable Elijah Mohammad. He explained that non black people were impure humans. He said we were inferior hybrids. He further stated that the impure hybrids can eat pork because we can digest it where as purebreds (blacks) couldn't digest pork even though they were genetically and physically superior to the lesser hybrids. Now I have watched many a black man tear up many a chop and rib but how can I argue with the Honorable Elijah Mohammad's logic. It does make perfect sense doesn't it.

Don't remember the title of the book this crap was in but it is one of the books given to new recruits of the Black American Muslim Cult to indoctrinate the political agenda under the guise of religion. It would be just as easy for you to research it as for me to find it and link it.

Anyway, that is my reason. Because I am inferior to the good guys.

Originally posted by King Kandy
He also said the complete opposite, that absolutely no laws would be changed...

Jesus said that what comes out of your mouth defiles you, not what goes into it. I imagine that is the justification. So that makes homosexuality ok?

Originally posted by you get thorns
I once read the words of the Honorable Elijah Mohammad. He explained that non black people were impure humans. He said we were inferior hybrids. He further stated that the impure hybrids can eat pork because we can digest it where as purebreds (blacks) couldn't digest pork even though they were genetically and physically superior to the lesser hybrids. Now I have watched many a black man tear up many a chop and rib but how can I argue with the Honorable Elijah Mohammad's logic. It does make perfect sense doesn't it.

Don't remember the title of the book this crap was in but it is one of the books given to new recruits of the Black American Muslim Cult to indoctrinate the political agenda under the guise of religion. It would be just as easy for you to research it as for me to find it and link it.

Anyway, that is my reason. Because I am inferior to the good guys.

Great post.

I ran an informal test on myself just a few months ago. I wanted to control exactly how much of each mineral, vitamin, and bio-molecule I consumed. To simplify the process, I reduced my previously diverse diet to four sources: oatmeal for carbohydrates, protein powder for proteins (I know it's not a food - shut up), carrots for fiber (never use protein powder without fiber haha) and peanuts for lipids. I took pills for vitamins and minerals. I actually felt wonderful on that diet, but the lack of diversity was killer so I returned to normalcy.

I used that same diet a few weeks ago, adding fruits and vegetables for the sake of diversity. It's not hard to keep track of the carbohydrate, lipid and protein content of fruits and vegetables. I was only gonna go for a week, but it's been two and a half weeks and I haven't switched my diet yet because WOW it feels good.

I eat enough meat to be polite when I have dinner with my family, but reading what's been said on this thread about vegetarians.... you'd think they were a cult. It's just a lifestyle preference, guys.

Originally posted by Grate the Vraya
So that makes homosexuality ok? To be more precise, it makes the Bible a crappy moral code, but either way, homosexuality's totally okay.

oh, god.. imagine if all religions followed their sacred writings strictly.. people would starve and go crazy, all hell will break loose, and people will start killing each other blindly for their respective religion..

oh, wait..

maybe back in the day Christians didnt want to make the "Cow" owners rich?

Originally posted by long pig
Something I've never understood is these christians somehow reading over the hundreds of references the bible has condemning the eating of pork. Old and new testament say don't do it. It goes as far as saying anyone with swine between his teeth can never enter the kingdom of God. Yet, just across the street from me there is a church having a pig picking. WTF? Sure, people say bacon is great or whatever, I wouldn't know. But is it that great? Anyway, if you're a christian and believe it's ok to eat that crap, tell me where you get it from. And don't try to pass off the vision peter had on the roof in which God told him to eat unclean foods. That was clearly stated later to have meant nothing about food and only about gentiles not being unclean.

This law was for the Jews, and those types of food like pork, shellfish, etc at that time had to cook properly, and second these foods like pork, shellfish was main food that they used in human sacrifice and worshiping pagan Gods. Any born again Christian or Christian Jew can eat these things for he are under grace not the Law.

The theory is if you are pure in spirit you body will flush out all the impurities so go ahead and eat whatever.

It's the ultimate in denial insanity.

Does not matter who you are, if your lifestyle slows down your metabolism, very difficult to stay near average weight for you body frame. Can't blame soley on commercial tv and radio though, sometimes junk food is real tasty and almost like heroin to kick that habit.

Originally posted by the Darkone
This law was for the Jews, and those types of food like pork, shellfish, etc at that time had to cook properly, and second these foods like pork, shellfish was main food that they used in human sacrifice and worshiping pagan Gods. Any born again Christian or Christian Jew can eat these things for he are under grace not the Law.

According to Jesus, we should obey all the Jewish laws.

The only difference between Jews and Christians is that if you act like a douchebag you get excised from the community permanently.

With Christians, if you act like a douchebag, stop and do no more injustice and others will forgive you once they see you mean it. Of course there is the relapse from time to time, forgive 7 times 70.

Lindsay Lohan is getting close to that number. lulz.

However in the secular materialist world, not getting irrational things right with others beliefs will get you to the curb a whole lot faster.

You know looksism, moneyism, academia elitesim, and personalityism.

Sometimes people don't look good, lack money, dont' do well in school and are not an energietic, exciting personality, aw heck throw them out in trash Brutal but happens.

The food industry spends millions each year touting their products and conduct focus groups for people on who the demographics they want to sell to.
You do have the power to say no, but darn, the bells and whistles they use to draw you in, its hard to say no and turn away AND avoid it and eat right. That and eating right day in and day out is not very glamourous, but is advantageous to your health.

Originally posted by YankeeWhaler
According to Jesus, we should obey all the Jewish laws.

The only difference between Jews and Christians is that if you act like a douchebag you get excised from the community permanently.

With Christians, if you act like a douchebag, stop and do no more injustice and others will forgive you once they see you mean it. Of course there is the relapse from time to time, forgive 7 times 70.

Lindsay Lohan is getting close to that number. lulz.

However in the secular materialist world, not getting irrational things right with others beliefs will get you to the curb a whole lot faster.

You know looksism, moneyism, academia elitesim, and personalityism.

Sometimes people don't look good, lack money, dont' do well in school and are not an energietic, exciting personality, aw heck throw them out in trash Brutal but happens.

Has it occurred to you that you have a very idealized view of Christianity, and a very demonized view of, apparently, everything else in the world?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Has it occurred to you that you have a very idealized view of Christianity, and a very demonized view of, apparently, everything else in the world?

We all have choices to make and if not made in the right perspective for the right reasons, they become vices.

Originally posted by long pig
Something I've never understood is these christians somehow reading over the hundreds of references the bible has condemning the eating of pork. Old and new testament say don't do it.......

The Bible says a lot of things and people tend to pick'n'choose which of those they want to believe or follow.

I am not as familiar with other religions, but my guess is the same goes for any religion and its followers.

Originally posted by Grate the Vraya
So that makes homosexuality ok?

hmm

Only if the guy swallows.