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Fight in NYC

teams start 1 mile apart

city is abandoned

Steve has his shield

No BFR

team 2.......imo colossus is greater than ben..........no1 else matters, unless johnny can superheat him or something

Team 1. Steve can handle spidey imo but HT over wolverine and the thing over collosus. its not a blow out though. 7/10 team 1.

Shouldn't a well-written Johnny just solo the field here?

Super Nova. I'd love to see Piotr melt.

Team 1 wins. More versatility and Johnny gives them advantage.

torch is the only reason team 1 wins. cap should be fried quickly, wolv should be charred to the bone long enough for spiderman to just web him up and dump him in a lake. then its 3 v 1 assuming colossus doesn't melt to a nova. Anyone have any evidence for or against that happening?

i think this match is pretty balanced. Cap could block attacks from HT or take down SM( he schooled him in civil war) so i think its close. Team 2 6/10

Originally posted by SumOfAllFear
i think this match is pretty balanced. Cap could block attacks from HT or take down SM( he schooled him in civil war) so i think its close. Team 2 6/10

How do any of them touch Johnny?

Originally posted by Digi
How do any of them touch Johnny?


Cap might be able to hit him but honestly with Johnny's mobility and range he would have to make a stupid mistake for that to happen.

Originally posted by Digi
How do any of them touch Johnny?

Shield throw distraction + fast ball special? Or vice versa.

Originally posted by Digi
Shouldn't a well-written Johnny just solo the field here?



Originally posted by Digi
How do any of them touch Johnny?

They cant. The only thing going against team 1 here, is Johnny not going all out to protect his team mates. Theres no Invisible woman here to protect the team from a super-nova.

Colossus has a melting point of a few thousand degrees, well within Torch's range without him even going Nova.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Shield throw distraction + fast ball special? Or vice versa. And Spidey and Ben will just watch?

Originally posted by Digi
Shouldn't a well-written Johnny just solo the field here?

Well-written Johnny doesn't kill.

Wolverine throws Parker at him, he turns the flame off and gets KO'd. Easy.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Well-written Johnny doesn't kill.

This is a forum match. Realistically, only Wolverine regularly kills. Are the other 5 in this match worthless?

srug

Also, throwing Spider-Man (implausible in and of itself) as a means of KO'ing or even distracting Johnny? Heh.

Originally posted by Digi
This is a forum match. Realistically, only Wolverine regularly kills. Are the other 5 in this match worthless?

srug

Also, throwing Spider-Man (implausible in and of itself) as a means of KO'ing or even distracting Johnny? Heh.

They still fight in character, don't they? They're not worthless, they just won't go for the kill.

Implausible? More like very likely, considering his history of getting thrown around by MAs. And Wolverine could always send him flying with a punch in Storm's direction.

It worked on Johnny before, he's not very smart.

Originally posted by Digi
Shouldn't a well-written Johnny just solo the field here?



Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Well-written Johnny doesn't kill.

interesting... so steve's low durability is working for his team here...

good point though

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Well-written Johnny doesn't kill.

Wolverine throws Parker at him, he turns the flame off and gets KO'd. Easy.

LOL What?!

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They still fight in character, don't they? They're not worthless, they just won't go for the kill.

He could go hot enough to make them pass out. He might have to be a bit careful not to seriously injure Cap though. But hes got 2 other team mates here to distract Cap.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Implausible? More like very likely, considering his history of getting thrown around by MAs. And Wolverine could always send him flying with a punch in Storm's direction.


Wolvy cant take out Spidey that easy. Spideys the one with super strength not Wolvy.
If Storm doesn't want to be hit theres nothing really any of these 3 can do to hit him. Its not just that he flies, but he flies pretty darn fast. Im thinking of the FF movie when Storm flew round Doom making a fire hurricane around him.. No reason he cant do that to these 3.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
LOL What?!

Like this:

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9865/warbirdd12oo1.jpg
props to jin

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
He could go hot enough to make them pass out. He might have to be a bit careful not to seriously injure Cap though. But hes got 2 other team mates here to distract Cap.

Wolverine waded through Mandarin's flame ring. Colossus ain't passing out.


Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Wolvy cant take out Spidey that easy. Spideys the one with super strength not Wolvy.
If Storm doesn't want to be hit theres nothing really any of these 3 can do to hit him. Its not just that he flies, but he flies pretty darn fast. Im thinking of the FF movie when Storm flew round Doom making a fire hurricane around him.. No reason he cant do that to these 3.

I'm not talking about him taking Parker out with a single throw. Just using him as a weapon against his allly.

We're not discussing movie versions here. You need to find a similar feat in comics.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They still fight in character, don't they? They're not worthless, they just won't go for the kill.

Implausible? More like very likely, considering his history of getting thrown around by MAs. And Wolverine could always send him flying with a punch in Storm's direction.

It worked on Johnny before, he's not very smart.

Again, forum fight. We assume characters are at least fighting moderately intelligently, if not bloodlusted and other similar terms. Besides, it doesn't take a genius to stay at range and blast them until they pass out. Even with a no-kill stipulation, this pretty much 9/10 for solo-Johnny, with the 1/10 being a nod to your CIS scenario.

Also, are you really telling me that if Johnny is a close but safe distance away, say 50 yards, that Logan could literally hurl Peter at Johnny fast enough to not just distract him but KO him?! That is some lopsided bias there when considering what all of these characters have done and can do.

Originally posted by Digi
Again, forum fight. We assume characters are at least fighting moderately intelligently, if not bloodlusted and other similar terms. Besides, it doesn't take a genius to stay at range and blast them until they pass out. Even with a no-kill stipulation, this pretty much 9/10 for solo-Johnny, with the 1/10 being a nod to your CIS scenario.

Also, are you really telling me that if Johnny is a close but safe distance away, say 50 yards, that Logan could literally hurl Peter at Johnny fast enough to not just distract him but KO him?! That is some lopsided bias there when considering what all of these characters have done and can do.

Yes, that all makes sense, but Johnny's a hothead and I can't help but see him getting too close to Team 2.

Anyway, this is a city environment, right? Steve's and Logan's stealth could lead to T1 defeat.

EDIT

Saw the OP

CIS is on by default rules. Sure, there is also a full capacity rule, but HT's combat skills/fighting intelligence never really impressed me. Wouldn't mind seeing some examples of him fighting smart.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
CIS is on by default rules. Sure, there is also a full capacity rule, but HT's combat skills/fighting intelligence never really impressed me. Wouldn't mind seeing some examples of him fighting smart.

He doesnt need to fight particularly smart.. He just needs to stay on the move and blast away at them. He's way faster and more agile than any of these guys.

And theres no way Wolvy is chucking Spidey.. More likely the other way round. Spideys way stronger than Wolvy.. Wolvy's prob gna be busy cutting through webs, and then just get shot by Storm, or get Things fists busting on him.

And that scene you showed was a defo low showing for HT. First he was shocked thinking Wolvy just killed someone, and then there just happened to be a tank full of water behind him for him to hit into. PIS. Not gna happen like that.

And yeah Colossus will pass out. His skin can only withstand a few thousand degrees. He'd be completely knocked out by a focused Nova Blast.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
He doesnt need to fight particularly smart.. He just needs to stay on the move and blast away at them. He's way faster and more agile than any of these guys.

And theres no way Wolvy is chucking Spidey.. More likely the other way round. Spideys way stronger than Wolvy.. Wolvy's prob gna be busy cutting through webs, and then just get shot by Storm, or get Things fists busting on him.

And that scene you showed was a defo low showing for HT. First he was shocked thinking Wolvy just killed someone, and then there just happened to be a tank full of water behind him for him to hit into. PIS. Not gna happen like that.

And yeah Colossus will pass out. His skin can only withstand a few thousand degrees. He'd be completely knocked out by a focused Nova Blast.

T2 does fight very smart though. Like srank said, shield throw + fastball seems like a very good tactic. The best option would be stealth, imo.

Oh, c'mon. You don't need to be stronger than Spiderman to throw him. Using his momentum against him is not a problem.

No need for tank full of water. He just needs to chuck Spidey hard enough at HT, he's more than strong enough to do that.

That's what his bio says. Nova blast is AOE attack, it'd kill everyone on the field including his teammates sans Wolverine. You were referring to a precise nova blast maybe?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes, that all makes sense, but Johnny's a hothead and I can't help but see him getting too close to Team 2.

Anyway, this is a city environment, right? Steve's and Logan's stealth could lead to T1 defeat.

And they do this before Johnny AoE-burns the entire building-sized area they're in? You're being very selective in your estimation of the characters here. It's not like he can only do a 100% Nova Blast or just laser-style attacks. He's got all manner of ranges and areas to his credit.

Lulz at sticking to Spidey-chucking though. How you don't see that such an attack would be laughably sluggish compared to Johnny's flight speed is beyond me.

1/10 for the instance when you're right. But that's still it.

Originally posted by Digi
And they do this before Johnny AoE-burns the entire building-sized area they're in? You're being very selective in your estimation of the characters here. It's not like he can only do a 100% Nova Blast or just laser-style attacks. He's got all manner of ranges and areas to his credit.

Lulz at sticking to Spidey-chucking though. How you don't see that such an attack would be laughably sluggish compared to Johnny's flight speed is beyond me.

1/10 for the instance when you're right. But that's still it.

Yes, I am biased. I do realize that. Never been a fan of FF and my hatred for Pete is legendary.

Wouldn't that AoE attack be potentially lethal for Cap?

Well, he failed to avoid Black Cat that was thrown and Wolverine leaping at him. I do admit that if he keeps his distance he should be fine though.

He didn't try to avoid her, he turned his flame off so it wouldn't hurt her unconscious body.

Originally posted by Mindset
He didn't try to avoid her, he turned his flame off so it wouldn't hurt her unconscious body.

Correct.

Why didn't he try? He wasn't fast enough. He had time to turn his flame off only.

yeah HT can clear the field even with CIS on. team 1 wins.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Correct.

Why didn't he try? He wasn't fast enough. He had time to turn his flame off only. Maybe because she was just stabbed in the chest and he wanted to try catching her instead of letting her hit the water tower...

Originally posted by Mindset
Maybe because she was just stabbed in the chest and he wanted to try catching her instead of letting her hit the water tower...

To me it looks like he was all "wtf" and barely managed to turn off the flame in time.

To me it looks like, "wtf Wolverine threw her unconscious body at me, let me turn my flames off and open my arms so I can try to catch her so she doesn't smash her face into the water tower", but that's just me.

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/7472/humantorchmeltsabulldoz.th.jpg

Contest of Champions II 02

Wolverine is so toast

Originally posted by Parmaniac
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/7472/humantorchmeltsabulldoz.th.jpg

Contest of Champions II 02

Wolverine is so toast

He's gonna turn Parker to ash?

Works for me

Spider-man protects himself with his magnificent webbing once again.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes, I am biased. I do realize that. Never been a fan of FF and my hatred for Pete is legendary.

Wouldn't that AoE attack be potentially lethal for Cap?

Well, he failed to avoid Black Cat that was thrown and Wolverine leaping at him. I do admit that if he keeps his distance he should be fine though.

Ok, so you agree with me? Seriously, we don't just assume stupidity from combatants. And it's not even genius-level Johnny to just say he keeps his attacks to ranged ones. It's not like he doesn't know anyone in the fight, he'd be intimately familiar with them all.

Any AoE would be potentially lethal, but we're in a fight here. Any shield throw is potentially lethal too, should we eliminate that from cap? Any punch from Colossus? You're only selectively applying your own criteria.

Johnny can KO them and injure them without killing them. It's just a matter of degree. And in the meantime, literally no one in this fight can touch him unless he is mind numbingly stupid.

Fandom shouldn't play a role here Stiltman. I'm not an FF fan either, but this outcome is clear.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
T2 does fight very smart though. Like srank said, shield throw + fastball seems like a very good tactic. The best option would be stealth, imo.

Spiderman is also smart and stealthy. But I really dnt see how stealth is going to work here. Torch moves too fast, and he'll most likely be out of range. LOL to fastball special. Torch can fly mutilple times the speed of sound.. He's also seriously agile.. He wnt be hit by wolverine being thrown in a straight line at what 40mph??

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Oh, c'mon. You don't need to be stronger than Spiderman to throw him. Using his momentum against him is not a problem.

Urmm.. Its kind of hard even touching Spidey.. And like I said wayyy more chance of him chucking wolverine.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


No need for tank full of water. He just needs to chuck Spidey hard enough at HT, he's more than strong enough to do that.

Hes not that strong. He'll only be able to do it if HT is relatively close by, isnt moving and turns his flame off LOL.. With his flame on having spidey chucked at him really wuldnt do anything to him.. He can take a fair bit of punishment with his flame.. Bullets just melt when they hit him.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

That's what his bio says. Nova blast is AOE attack, it'd kill everyone on the field including his teammates sans Wolverine. You were referring to a precise nova blast maybe?

Yep he can do very focused Nova Blasts. Does not even need to go all the way to Nova! Lol. And I said in my first post the only thing holding team 1 back is HT afraid to hurt his team mates. Fact is he would solo this quite easily.

Johnny is the wild card.

Colossus >> Ben
Cap and Spidey cancel out, but I don't see how Wolverine can handle Johnny (he can't, and healing power can't fix if there's no flesh left to heal). Only thing left would be the adamantium plates and claws.

If Johnny can melt Piotr, team 1 wins, if he can't, team 2.

Team one

Originally posted by ColossusGrundy
If Johnny can melt Piotr, team 1 wins, if he can't, team 2.

He can, Colossus has partially melted a couple of times.

Teams are one mile apart to begin, Johnny can just fly over solo and heat to a few thousand degrees while staying out of projectile range.

Even if there is a "fastball special" all skin, muscle, blood, etc would be gone from Wolverine before he got within 50 yards of Torch, and from distance he would be rediculously easy to dodge.

Originally posted by ColossusGrundy
(he can't, and healing power can't fix if there's no flesh left to heal). Only thing left would be the adamantium plates and claws. He actually can, but not fast enough to stay in the fight.