Warrior Madness Thor VS Sentry/Void

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wildernesss
Warrior Madness Thor VS Sentry/Void


no prep. sentry/void from siege.














who wins?

Black bolt z
Thor.

Lord_Talron
thor already beat him once smurph

Damborgson
Originally posted by Lord_Talron
thor already beat him once smurph and he's do so again. thumb up

Nihilist
Thor smashes his head in ftw

shokosugi
WM Thor > Hellicarrier > Sentry/void

JakeTheBank
WM Thor.

Batman-Prime
Thor, the one and only long haired blondie who deserves the respect he gets!

wildernesss
Originally posted by Lord_Talron
thor already beat him once smurph



considering bob had to will himself not to regenerate back to life, thor didn't beat anyone. bob/sentry allowed/demanded that thor "beat him". he wanted to be destroyed. please read the bendis interview regarding it.

cdtm
As much as I hate Sentry, Thor isn't beating him without the Power Gem.

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by wildernesss
considering bob had to will himself not to regenerate back to life, thor didn't beat anyone. bob/sentry allowed/demanded that thor "beat him". he wanted to be destroyed. please read the bendis interview regarding it.

The story shows that much, but interviews, especially the interviews of someone like Bendis who has a record of talking out of his ass, contradicting established facts, or out right lying, aren't something to hold on to as if they are absolutely fact.

If Bob doesn't want to die, who, in your honest opinion, can beat him regardless of whatever he wants?

Damborgson
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The story shows that much, but interviews, especially the interviews of someone like Bendis who has a record of talking out of his ass, contradicting established facts, or out right lying, aren't something to hold on to as if they are absolutely fact.

thumb up

wildernesss
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The story shows that much, but interviews, especially the interviews of someone like Bendis who has a record of talking out of his ass, contradicting established facts, or out right lying, aren't something to hold on to as if they are absolutely fact.

If Bob doesn't want to die, who, in your honest opinion, can beat him regardless of whatever he wants?


actually no...if you read dark avengers everything was crystal clear. bendis developed sentry into a essentially unkillable character. morgan couldn't do it. his wife with marvel's lazer couldn't do it. molecule man couldn't do it. sentry couldn't even kill himself... via flying into the heart of the sun; and....heart of the sun>a single hit from thor's hammer.

none of this contradicts what was shown in siege; in fact it COMPLETELY supports what was shown in siege & reflects exactly what bendis said in the interview. if you're going to contest that sentry allowed/demanded that thor destroy him, that's pure fail.



who can beat him regardless of his wishes? living tribunal, eternity, beyonder, odin with prep, galactus with the un, reed richards with prep,
iron man with prep, doom with prep. too many to list.

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by wildernesss
actually no...if you read dark avengers everything was crystal clear. bendis developed sentry into a essentially unkillable character. morgan couldn't do it. his wife with marvel's lazer couldn't do it. molecule man couldn't do it. sentry couldn't even kill himself... via flying into the heart of the sun; and....heart of the sun>a single hit from thor's hammer.

none of this contradicts what was shown in siege; in fact it COMPLETELY supports what was shown in siege & reflects exactly what bendis said in the interview. if you're going to contest that sentry allowed/demanded that thor destroy him, that's pure fail.



who can beat him regardless of his wishes? living tribunal, eternity, beyonder, odin with prep, galactus with the un, reed richards with prep,
iron man with prep, doom with prep. too many to list.

Actually no...what? That the story doesn't show that Sentry didn't enable Thor to kill him which is what I said in my post to begin with?

Yes, Bendis developed Sentry into an ultra-polarizing character that a vast majority of people dislike. That being said, I'm not arguing with the things he has done on panel. What I am contesting, however, is the fact that you seem to be taking everything Bendis said in that interview at face value and writer interviews in general; they're nice to see the motive or explanation behind why things happened as they did, but they mean zilch in the end run when compared to what we see directly on panel. Bendis is the same guy who said "chaos magic doesn't exist" mind you, among a wealth of other contradictory claims and general BS that he's got a rep for. In that same interview he also goes on to say Sentry is a lying psychopath and that we shouldn't take everything he said as truth, either, but I guess people take what they want from the interviews.

Siege also had Sentry unable to handle being bombarded by a high herald with his meta/street level friends and a helicarrier before reverting to his powerless form. Keeping him dead is one thing, but slaying him for a forum win in another thing entirely.

Kasper Gutman
If writer interviews are being given weight here then I'm bringing in the neck cracking incident from the What If issue.

wildernesss
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
you seem to be taking everything Bendis said in that interview at face value.



no, just one thing...and it isn't at face value. it was clearly established during dark avengers. thor was able to destroy sentry because bob demanded it, wanted to die, & remain dead.

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by wildernesss
no, just one thing...and it isn't at face value. it was clearly established during dark avengers. thor was able to destroy sentry because bob demanded it, wanted to die, & remain dead.

Which is what I'm saying. The comic shows that. Can't really argue the point. There's no need to bring up an interview with a writer, especially Bendis, to try and drive the point home.

Even so, there's something called no limits fallacy, which I feel Void/Sentry seems to get as far as the whole "unkillable unless he wants to die" thing goes. He showed he was beyond your conventional high herald using conventional means to slay him. I think it would be a misstep if we tried to read more into that, Molecule Man's interaction with Sentry notwithstanding.

wildernesss
Originally posted by Kasper Gutman
If writer interviews are being given weight here then I'm bringing in the neck cracking incident from the What If issue.


sure, while were at it let's also bring in the other what if incident where sentry shatters thor like glass with one punch.

Damborgson
Originally posted by wildernesss
no, just one thing...and it isn't at face value. it was clearly established during dark avengers. thor was able to destroy sentry because bob demanded it, wanted to die, & remain dead. The void had control at the end. Thor just hit it with so much power that he incinerated it. Bob may be holding back the boid from coming back or whatever but Thor took it down.

wildernesss
Originally posted by Damborgson
The void had control at the end. Thor just hit it with so much power that he incinerated it. Bob may be holding back the boid from coming back or whatever but Thor took it down.


you're contradicting yourself. void did not have "control at the end" if bob was holding it back & screaming demands at thor. bob was obviously more in control right before he died as he was able to will himself not to regenerate. void would have popped right back.

quanchi112
Void, easily.

Damborgson
Originally posted by wildernesss
you're contradicting yourself. void did not have "control at the end" if bob was holding it back & screaming demands at thor. bob was obviously more in control right before he died as he was able to will himself not to regenerate. void would have popped right back. Did you ignore the scan??? Hate it when people do that. Makes it that much harder to talk to them. The void was holding Thor in one of his tendrils and attacking the other heroes, and the scan says that the void regained control. Bob may be preventing the void from returning but saying the void was not in control at the end is very much incorrect.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Damborgson
Did you ignore the scan??? Hate it when people do that. Makes it that much harder to talk to them. The void was holding Thor in one of his tendrils and attacking the other heroes, and the scan says that the void regained control. Bob may be preventing the void from returning but saying the void was not in control at the end is very much incorrect. Whatever was in control wanted to die only after Bob resurfaced. The Void doesn't want to die and has no remorse. Thor is easily dominated here since the Void can come back from complete annihilation if he wants to.

wildernesss
Originally posted by Damborgson
Did you ignore the scan??? Hate it when people do that. Makes it that much harder to talk to them. The void was holding Thor in one of his tendrils and attacking the other heroes, and the scan says that the void regained control. Bob may be preventing the void from returning but saying the void was not in control at the end is very much incorrect.


Bob had enough control (even if it was 51%) in the end to will the bob/sentry/void entity to remain dead. void had partial control at the very best. it was bob screaming at thor to destroy him, even while the void took partial possession. If the void had true control (total control) then that fly swat from thor would have meant nothing. sentry (not void, JUST sentry) has survived complete molecular destruction & being in the heart of the sun. that is FAR more than thor's fly swat. so all of that is bunk & fail. thor "won" & "beat him" because bob willed it & allowed it.

Damborgson
Originally posted by quanchi112
Whatever was in control wanted to die only after Bob resurfaced. The Void doesn't want to die and has no remorse. Thor is easily dominated here since the Void can come back from complete annihilation if he wants to. Even so would the void do this in time for it to not count as a forum win for Thor? Drax killed Thanos. Yeah Thanos blew Drax to bits a bit later but Drax defeated him first.

Lord_Talron
Originally posted by quanchi112
Whatever was in control wanted to die only after Bob resurfaced. The Void doesn't want to die and has no remorse. Thor is easily dominated here since the Void can come back from complete annihilation if he wants to. he can come back as much as he wants, it still doesnt help him. the only question is if thor can kill him once or not.

Damborgson
Originally posted by wildernesss
Bob had enough control (even if it was 51%) in the end to will the bob/sentry/void entity to remain dead. void had partial control at the very best. it was bob screaming at thor to destroy him, even while the void took partial possession. If the void had true control (total control) then that fly swat from thor would have meant nothing. sentry (not void, JUST sentry) has survived complete molecular destruction & being in the heart of the sun. that is FAR more than thor's fly swat. so all of that is bunk & fail. thor "won" & "beat him" because bob willed it & allowed it. Partial possession would not have produced the result in form that took place once the Void to control. That scream was the end of Bob before he was consumed by the void again. laughing out loud Lmao at u calling that attack a "fly swat" Its was powerful enough to incinerate the void. Such a gross underestimation of Thor's abilities If Bob had more control than the void did he would not have allowed it to attack the heroes again and hold down Thor. Thor just overpowered and killed it at the end. Sorry bud but Thor took him down whether u like it or not.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Damborgson
Even so would the void do this in time for it to not count as a forum win for Thor? Drax killed Thanos. Yeah Thanos blew Drax to bits a bit later but Drax defeated him first. It's just like a bfr it all depends on the amount of time.

Also Thanos was weakened and Void/Bob won't be demanding Thor kill him.

It'd be like Superman screaming kill me WW her doing so and that being a legitimate debate on how these two fight despite the fact Superman wanted her to kill him.

Originally posted by Lord_Talron
he can come back as much as he wants, it still doesnt help him. the only question is if thor can kill him once or not. The only reason he didn't come back immediately is because he didn't want to. The writer even stated this. Void also easily kills Thor since he easily had him and the avengers beat before Loki amped them.

wildernesss
Originally posted by Damborgson
Partial possession would not have produced the result in form that took place once the Void to control. That scream was the end of Bob before he was consumed by the void again. laughing out loud Lmao at u calling that attack a "fly swat" Its was powerful enough to incinerate the void. Such a gross underestimation of Thor's abilities If Bob had more control than the void did he would not have allowed it to attack the heroes again and hold down Thor. Thor just overpowered and killed it at the end. Sorry bud but Thor took him down whether u like it or not.

compared to complete molecular disintegration via molecule man & being burnt to nothing in the sun....yes, that blow from thor is clearly inferior. thor attempted a nearly identical attack several panels earlier....no effect.....why? because void was in total control . the norn stones & hellicarrier were a plot device which snapped bob back into the driver's seat. and partial possession is EXACTLY what happened. bob was voiding out in form energetically, but still had enough control to scream at thor to destroy him & will himself to remain dead. sentry could only die & remain dead if he willed it. this is backed up by the dark avengers series, especially the last arc.

Silent Master
Thor has already beaten him, so Thor wins.

Damborgson
Originally posted by quanchi112
It's just like a bfr it all depends on the amount of time.

Also Thanos was weakened and Void/Bob won't be demanding Thor kill him.

It'd be like Superman screaming kill me WW her doing so and that being a legitimate debate on how these two fight despite the fact Superman wanted her to kill him.

Yep and thats why it counts as a win for Thor and Drax.

Only to a point. Thanos was still superior to the guadians of the galaxy by a fair amount.

That case would only work in the situation where superman was being mind controlled or something. A better comparison would be the possessed superman vs captain marvel fight where superman gained partial control and told Cap to kill him but was overwhelmed again. Same deal here.

the ninjak
Void wins this no probs.

And anyone who had a clue about Void would know so as well.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Thor has already beaten him, so Thor wins.

If you mean Sentry being knocked back into control of his vody and begging for death while Void tried to vomit his way back into existence.
And Thor killing Sentry.
And Sentry not willing himself back. Suuuuuuure.
But that aint happening in a forum fight.
Not when both entities WANT TO WIN AND HAVE NO REASON TO WANT TO DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Damborgson
Originally posted by wildernesss
compared to complete molecular disintegration via molecule man & being burnt to nothing in the sun....yes, that blow from thor is clearly inferior. thor attempted a nearly identical attack several panels earlier....no effect.....why? because void was in total control . the norn stones & hellicarrier were a plot device which snapped bob back into the driver's seat. and partial possession is EXACTLY what happened. bob was voiding out in form energetically, but still had enough control to scream at thor to destroy him & will himself to remain dead. sentry could only die & remain dead if he willed it. this is backed up by the dark avengers series, especially the last arc. Oh so now its just an "inferior attack" and not a flyswat huh? lol. Making progress. Just cuz Bob wanted to be killed does not mean that the voids durability went away or was diminished. The attack was just more powerful than anything Thor had unleashed upon the void before.

No effect? lol http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5246/siege01009.jpg

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8544/siege01010.jpg

the attack hurt the void. It just wasnt as powerful as this.

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2731/siege01022.jpg

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/5052/siege01023024.jpg

yeah yeah the he was screaming "kill me!" but at the same time he blew back the heroes and held down Thor. I can admit that the void didnt have full control. I had actually already said that Bob is what is keeping the void from returning. But Bob clearly did not have control at then end. At least not enough to keep the void from attacking those who were once his friends.

No one but Thor could take the void down. So he did it. He incinerated the void. Its not like just because Bob wanted to die that the void was an easy kill. Thor used an enormous amount of power and took the void down. Bob is just restraining it from coming back is all. It still counts as a win for Thor.

It would be the same thing in the thread you made. If Thor totally incinerates the Void again it would count a forum win.

cdtm
Originally posted by Damborgson
Oh so now its just an "inferior attack" and not a flyswat huh? lol. Making progress. Just cuz Bob wanted to be killed does not mean that the voids durability went away or was diminished. The attack was just more powerful than anything Thor had unleashed upon the void before.

No effect? lol http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5246/siege01009.jpg

And then we see a scan of Cap's shield taking his head off. stick out tongue

So, are we arguing that Thors normal attack could have killed Void no matter what he wanted? Or, are we arguing that Loki amped Thor?

Because, that's what I'm seeing from the scans. Void notices Thor is more powerful, and makes a connection to Loki.

If nothing else, you've made me reconsider that maybe Void didn't die because he wanted to, but maybe a combination of Loki's magic and Thor's hammer is the uber.

iceman24567
Thor wins...again

Lord_Talron
being able to say stuff ≠ having control over ones actions

Zack Fair
Thor wins hands down.

Damborgson
Originally posted by cdtm
And then we see a scan of Cap's shield taking his head off. stick out tongue

So, are we arguing that Thors normal attack could have killed Void no matter what he wanted? Or, are we arguing that Loki amped Thor?

Because, that's what I'm seeing from the scans. Void notices Thor is more powerful, and makes a connection to Loki.

If nothing else, you've made me reconsider that maybe Void didn't die because he wanted to, but maybe a combination of Loki's magic and Thor's hammer is the uber. haha Cap doing that to Void was something...Another Bendis fail..even if i did honestly enjoy Siege.

Yeah. That final attack by Thor was more powerful than anything the void had dealt with before. It was hammer+ubber lightning attack.

Loki's magic ceased once he was killed. Thor did it on his own. The void didnt want to die, Bob just didnt let it comeback. Thor still owned it.

Silent Master
Originally posted by the ninjak
Void wins this no probs.

And anyone who had a clue about Void would know so as well.



If you mean Sentry being knocked back into control of his vody and begging for death while Void tried to vomit his way back into existence.
And Thor killing Sentry.
And Sentry not willing himself back. Suuuuuuure.
But that aint happening in a forum fight.
Not when both entities WANT TO WIN AND HAVE NO REASON TO WANT TO DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If Thor kills him, the fight is over. If Sentry manages to come back, they can have a second fight.

Batman-Prime
Originally posted by Damborgson
Oh so now its just an "inferior attack" and not a flyswat huh? lol. Making progress. Just cuz Bob wanted to be killed does not mean that the voids durability went away or was diminished. The attack was just more powerful than anything Thor had unleashed upon the void before.

No effect? lol http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5246/siege01009.jpg

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8544/siege01010.jpg

the attack hurt the void. It just wasnt as powerful as this.

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2731/siege01022.jpg

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/5052/siege01023024.jpg

yeah yeah the he was screaming "kill me!" but at the same time he blew back the heroes and held down Thor. I can admit that the void didnt have full control. I had actually already said that Bob is what is keeping the void from returning. But Bob clearly did not have control at then end. At least not enough to keep the void from attacking those who were once his friends.

No one but Thor could take the void down. So he did it. He incinerated the void. Its not like just because Bob wanted to die that the void was an easy kill. Thor used an enormous amount of power and took the void down. Bob is just restraining it from coming back is all. It still counts as a win for Thor.

It would be the same thing in the thread you made. If Thor totally incinerates the Void again it would count a forum win.

Makes sense, thank you.

Thor wins.

Damborgson
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Makes sense, thank you.

Thor wins.

No problem. cool

indeed he does.

the ninjak
Originally posted by Silent Master
If Thor kills him, the fight is over. If Sentry manages to come back, they can have a second fight.

The second Thor applies enough damage to revert Void into Sentry. Sentry moves at insane speeds and reverts back into Void. Rinse and repeat.

Sooner or later Void will decide to actually focus on Thor and MM the crap out of him.

In which case Thor will simply reform due to worshippers. But Void will hold the higher ground the whole time.
An endless battle regardless.

wildernesss
Originally posted by Damborgson
Bob is just restraining it from coming back is all. It still counts as a win for Thor. It would be the same thing in the thread you made. If Thor totally incinerates the Void again it would count a forum win.



it doesn't count as anything for thor other than a cherry picked win achieved through the sweat of a collaborative effort that took the combined actions of many, many, many characters. culminating in the norn stones & iron man's hellicarrier tactic. need i remind you that void peirced thor with infini-tendrils several panels earlier. thor & company had all but lost & were only saved due to the norn stones. it was even remarked that they're getting a "second chance". even earlier, void allowed thor to strike him repeadetly to no effect, until void had thor nearly incapacitated in his grasp. without the norn stones & massive assistance from the heroes (and bob himself) thor could not have defeated void.

Damborgson
Originally posted by wildernesss
it doesn't count as anything for thor other than a win. fixed. None of the actions of the others mattered at all as soon as the void willed himself back to control and regained his full power. By repeatedly do you mean once? laughing out loud only Thor's intial shot can be argued as the void letting Thor hit him. Have you forgotten the beating Thor took in Siege #1? Thor was already hurt and weakened when he fought the void. Nearly incapacitated? uhh how did you get that out of reading the comic? lol. Not even close. Thor was almost immobilized. that's about it. Whats your point? He defeated him and thats all that matters.

cdtm
Originally posted by Damborgson
Whats your point? He defeated him and thats all that matters.

Ok, but what about this fight here?

Saying Thor beat him is one thing, applying it to this fight is another.

Silent Master
Thor still has Mjolnir and can summon lightning, therefore he wins.

Damborgson
Originally posted by cdtm
Ok, but what about this fight here?

Saying Thor beat him is one thing, applying it to this fight is another. all he needs to do is kill him once for a forum win. WM Thor can do that. Can he do it for majority? Not sure...

quanchi112
Originally posted by Damborgson
Yep and thats why it counts as a win for Thor and Drax.

Only to a point. Thanos was still superior to the guadians of the galaxy by a fair amount.

That case would only work in the situation where superman was being mind controlled or something. A better comparison would be the possessed superman vs captain marvel fight where superman gained partial control and told Cap to kill him but was overwhelmed again. Same deal here. Not if he can return in a reasonable amount of time it's just like a bfr. Originally posted by Zack Fair
Thor wins hands down. laughing out loud

Damborgson
Originally posted by quanchi112
Not if he can return in a reasonable amount of time it's just like a bfr. no expression is in your opinon Drax killing Thanos a BFR?

quanchi112
Originally posted by Damborgson
no expression is in your opinon Drax killing Thanos a BFR? It's not stopping them long enough to count as a win either way. If they reform right away it's not a win. Plain and simple.

Damborgson
Originally posted by quanchi112
It's not stopping them long enough to count as a win either way. If they reform right away it's not a win. Plain and simple. Ill take that as a yes. no expression

So Thor beat Void and drax beat Thanos. Thank you for reenforcing my point.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Damborgson
Ill take that as a yes. no expression

So Thor beat Void and drax beat Thanos. Thank you for reenforcing my point. No, it isn't since they aren't dead long enough just like a bfr it's all timing. If you can bfr them without them getting back in a reasonable amount of time it's a bfr and if you destroy their body before they can come back in a reasonable amount of time it's a win if not no.

Thanos also was weakened and Void/Bob wanted to die aka forced Thor to do so. When the Void doesn't want to lose he doesn't.

Lord_Talron
hadnt bob tried to kill himself before tho?

Silent Master
The "if they can return in a reasonable time" is for BFR, not death....the fight ends if one side dies.

JakeTheBank
Do people think Sentry/Void is instantly coming back when WM Thor "kills" him?

Lord_Talron
if he can, then yes

quanchi112
Originally posted by Silent Master
The "if they can return in a resonable time" is for BFR, not death....the fight ends if one side dies. If you can alter your body and reform under your own the same principle applies.Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Do people think Sentry/Void is instantly coming back when WM Thor "kills" him? I don't even see Thor as capable of killing him but if he did he'd come back as soon as he wanted to.

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't even see Thor as capable of killing him but if he did he'd come back as soon as he wanted to.

Really?

I think normal Thor, all things considered, has the firepower needed to "kill" Sentry/Void. WM Thor, even more so. Keeping him dead is something else.

Silent Master
Death and BFR aren't the same, so I see no reason for BFR's rules to apply to being killed.

Lord_Talron
i agree. death isnt bfr. you are still on the battlefield and you arent trapped or anything; you are just dead...

quanchi112
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Really?

I think normal Thor, all things considered, has the firepower needed to "kill" Sentry/Void. WM Thor, even more so. Keeping him dead is something else. I don't think so considering Void was dealing with Thor's attacks before along with an amped norn stone Thor along with the avengers as well.

Void died when he/Bob wanted to. Thor was forced into it by Void/Bob.Originally posted by Silent Master
Death and BFR aren't the same, so I see no reason for BFR's rules to apply to being killed. Why not ?

Lord_Talron
read my post wink

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't think so considering Void was dealing with Thor's attacks before along with an amped norn stone Thor along with the avengers as well.

Eh, he took on a Thor who had went through hell from the U-Foes/DA and whom obviously hadn't recovered fully. He also took on an vaguely defined amped Thor. Considering the history of the Norn Stones as a whole, I don't think Thor w/Norn amp + Avengers w/Norn Amp => Warrior Madness Thor. Imo, of course.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Lord_Talron
i agree. death isnt bfr. you are still on the battlefield and you arent trapped or anything; you are just dead... Death to us means you can't return to this realm on your own power but if you can you aren't dead as death is permanent or in this case a time issue.

Lord_Talron
but your body (or whats left of it is there). i suppose an official statement by the moderation would be better than us arguing back and forth (both are arguments make sense imo)

quanchi112
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Eh, he took on a Thor who had went through hell from the U-Foes/DA and whom obviously hadn't recovered fully. He also took on an vaguely defined amped Thor. Considering the history of the Norn Stones as a whole, I don't think Thor w/Norn amp + Avengers w/Norn Amp => Warrior Madness Thor. Imo, of course. Sentry was also stabbed by Ares, and was taking on an entire team who was later amped as well.

Void also brought down asgard, etc. I don't see Thor being able to take on the Void plsu the avengers if their roles were reversed I see him easily beaten into the ground.

I think Thor with warrior madness would probably be greater as well but I also don't see him able to destroy the Void since he can alter his own molecules and did so against his wife when she shot him showing despite his body damage it really has no effect.

Fifthchild
Since Sentry/Void could talk and walk around with his brains hanging out of his head and his head cut off by Caps shield I actually doubt that the board rule of "kill them once and you win" really comes into play here.

As for Void being in control at the end of the day Bob/Void/Sentry are the same person. particularly by the end of Dark Avengers when the distinctions between the three had almost totally broken down and you had the Sentry acting and speaking like the Void and the Void crying and freaking out after his wife was killed.

As for the thread WM Thor probably does a ot worse than normal Thor. Theres no real evidence that WM increases Thors actual strength let alone increases it 10 times. Rage agrees with this btw.

I actually wouldnt have too much of a problem with Thor defeating Sentry/Void but hes not going to do it by smacking him in the face, which of course is what WM Thor would undoubtedly do. He needs to use Mjolnir cleverly and some kind of energy drain might actually work. So he needs to have his head screwed on properly here as going batshit crazy is just going to work against him.

cdtm
Originally posted by wildernesss
considering bob had to will himself not to regenerate back to life, thor didn't beat anyone. bob/sentry allowed/demanded that thor "beat him". he wanted to be destroyed. please read the bendis interview regarding it.

If you feel Thor can't kill him, there's always the dimension dump.

TheLordofMurder
Base Thor defeated Void/Sentry; Thor in Warriors Madness (are we talking "True Warriors Madness" here btw?) definitely kills Void/Sentry here...

Sure, Void can come back, but if Thor kills him 1st, Thor gets the win...

quanchi112
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Base Thor defeated Void/Sentry; Thor in Warriors Madness (are we talking "True Warriors Madness" here btw?) definitely kills Void/Sentry here...

Sure, Void can come back, but if Thor kills him 1st, Thor gets the win... Thor couldn't even really hurt him until he wanted to be defeated. Also Thor wasn't alone and had the avengers aid and an amp from Loki as well. Context.

wildernesss
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor couldn't even really hurt him until he wanted to be defeated. Also Thor wasn't alone and had the avengers aid and an amp from Loki as well. Context.


exactly. without the norn stones amp that lightning hammer strike would not have destroyed the void. the street level heroes were hurting void with the norn stones amp. imagine how magnified thor's hammer power was made by that same amp.....and it didn't even destroy void upon thor's first amped attack on void. thor loses a majority outside of this kind of supplementation from a magical source.



also, check out the first few pages of siege #4. void pierces thor with a infini-tendril through his torso. next thing that is said is that they're getting a "second chance". could it be that thor (and the rest) were defeated & it was only the norn stones that gave them that second chance?

Damborgson
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it isn't since they aren't dead long enough just like a bfr it's all timing. If you can bfr them without them getting back in a reasonable amount of time it's a bfr and if you destroy their body before they can come back in a reasonable amount of time it's a win if not no.

Thanos also was weakened and Void/Bob wanted to die aka forced Thor to do so. When the Void doesn't want to lose he doesn't.

So you dont see it as a win or a BFR? Kinda scary Quanchi... confused

sheesh your repeating yourself and making me repeat myself. Come up with something new as i already discuaased this with wilderness. and stop just trying to get the last word in. erm kinda sad...

Harbinger
Can we please f*cking stop with the "Void doesn't die unless he wants to" crap? Yes, let's apply the gotdamn No Limits Fallacy. That makes perfect sense.

King Kandy
Originally posted by Harbinger
Can we please f*cking stop with the "Void doesn't die unless he wants to" crap? Yes, let's apply the gotdamn No Limits Fallacy. That makes perfect sense.
How is it a no-limits fallacy? I think he can die but it would obviously take someone well above Thor level to kill him if he didn't want to. This is supported both by on-panel evidence and interviews...

quanchi112
Originally posted by Damborgson
So you dont see it as a win or a BFR? Kinda scary Quanchi... confused

sheesh your repeating yourself and making me repeat myself. Come up with something new as i already discuaased this with wilderness. and stop just trying to get the last word in. erm kinda sad... No, since if you can reform in time you aren't really dead as Thanos is immune to death as stated on panel.

I accept your concession.

ankur29
sentry void 10/10

he's just on another level to guys like thor amped with norn stones

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by King Kandy
How is it a no-limits fallacy? I think he can die but it would obviously take someone well above Thor level to kill him if he didn't want to. This is supported both by on-panel evidence and interviews...

Its definitely a no-limits fallacy...

Owen warped him inside out and yet he somehow survived; that was BS and very PIS ridden btw...

But back to the no-limits thing, following the reasoning that he cant be killed unless he wants to die, there is no reason to believe that the Living Tribunal or someone weilding the Infinity Guantlet can kill him either...unless he wants to die!!

Since logic dictates that either of the above would be able to kill him wether he wants to die or not, then the statement "he cant be killed unless he wants to die" is false...

And now back to the BS and PIS, outside of nullification (which is BS as well as it violates the Law of Conservation) what more could be done to destroy Void that Owen didnt already do?

King Kandy
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Its definitely a no-limits fallacy...

Owen warped him inside out and yet he somehow survived; that was BS and very PIS ridden btw...

But back to the no-limits thing, following the reasoning that he cant be killed unless he wants to die, there is no reason to believe that the Living Tribunal or someone weilding the Infinity Guantlet can kill him either...unless he wants to die!!

Since logic dictates that either of the above would be able to kill him wether he wants to die or not, then the statement "he cant be killed unless he wants to die" is false...

And now back to the BS and PIS, outside of nullification (which is BS as well as it violates the Law of Conservation) what more could be done to destroy Void that Owen didnt already do?
I think that beings capable of manipulating souls, could readily deal with Void. You basically are just attacking the most shallow look at the idea possible. No, Void isn't invulnerable to dead. He is like a death god so it makes sense, that he would have great resistance to death (much like Odin can kill Hela, but Thor is unable to). Beings w/ status above death gods, can override this.

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by King Kandy
I think that beings capable of manipulating souls, could readily deal with Void. You basically are just attacking the most shallow look at the idea possible. No, Void isn't invulnerable to dead. He is like a death god so it makes sense, that he would have great resistance to death (much like Odin can kill Hela, but Thor is unable to). Beings w/ status above death gods, can override this.

Great...so you agree that Thor would destroy Void with Soul Suck!

smile

Damborgson
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, since if you can reform in time you aren't really dead as Thanos is immune to death as stated on panel.

I accept your concession.

Lmao. Sometimes I forget im not dealing with a rational person here. Drax killed him. He just cant stay dead and was reformed. Thor killed the void. Had the void returned it would have still been a forum win for Thor.


you wish. wink

Damborgson
To anyone except you that is. roll eyes (sarcastic)

quanchi112
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Great...so you agree that Thor would destroy Void with Soul Suck!

smile How would that defeat the Void ?

Originally posted by Damborgson
Lmao. Sometimes I forget im not dealing with a rational person here. Drax killed him. He just cant stay dead and was reformed. Thor killed the void. Had the void returned it would have still been a forum win for Thor.


you wish. wink We found out he is immune to death and Thanos was also weakened making it not a valid example.

The only reason the Void was killed is because he wanted Thor to kill him. The writer even confirmed it so if you take out his desire to die due to guilt Thor can't kill him.

Damborgson
Originally posted by quanchi112
How would that defeat the Void ?

We found out he is immune to death and Thanos was also weakened making it not a valid example.

The only reason the Void was killed is because he wanted Thor to kill him. The writer even confirmed it so if you take out his desire to die due to guilt Thor can't kill him. Yet he was killed. And then reborn. Point being he died. He just CANT STAY DEAD. Same with the void. Molecule man killed him what? 3 times? He just didnt stay dead. How is it an invalid win if Thanos was slightly weakened? Thats not how it works Quanchi.

The only reason the void died was because he got hammer splatted by Thor. Whether or not the void returns doesnt matter as Thor would have achieved the forum victory.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Damborgson
Yet he was killed. And then reborn. Point being he died. He just CANT STAY DEAD. Same with the void. Molecule man killed him what? 3 times? He just didnt stay dead. How is it an invalid win if Thanos was slightly weakened? Thats not how it works Quanchi.

The only reason the void died was because he got hammer splatted by Thor. Whether or not the void returns doesnt matter as Thor would have achieved the forum victory. The Void learned to come back and control his own molecules so those aren't applicable to a character who learned new powers in that instance.

The writer and myself disagrees with you. You cannot accept the fact Thor only killed him because he was forced to as Thor didn't even want to.

Damborgson
Originally posted by quanchi112
The Void learned to come back and control his own molecules so those aren't applicable to a character who learned new powers in that instance.

Being killed 3 times isnt applicable because he didnt stay dead? That sounds partly like a defense for Thanos being killed by Drax.



disagree with what exactly? You seem to be under the thought process that Thor cant kill the void. He showed he can. ? when did i say anything that sounded like that? Thor didnt want to kill him but he showed he could. If he was "forced" well whatever he still showed he can kill him.

JakeTheBank
I think what Damborgson is trying to say is this:

Sentry/Void/Bob/Whatever wanted to be killed, so he goaded Thor into killing him. That being said, Thor had the power to actually outright slay him. Bob forced himself to stay dead. I don't think anyone else present was equipped to deal enough damage to kill Void. Even if he wants to die or not, Void/Sentry still is invincible (relatively speaking, of course). He doesn't "shut off" his natural durability outside of reverting to Bob. Nothing in Siege showed that he "toned down" his defenses either.

He wanted to die, Thor obliged him as he had the power to do so. I highly doubt if Bob screamed at Steve Rogers to kill him, he could have once he Voided out.

It seems pretty simple to me that Thor has the power needed to kill Void, regardless of whether or not Void comes back.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Damborgson
Being killed 3 times isnt applicable because he didnt stay dead? That sounds partly like a defense for Thanos being killed by Drax.



disagree with what exactly? You seem to be under the thought process that Thor cant kill the void. He showed he can. ? when did i say anything that sounded like that? Thor didnt want to kill him but he showed he could. If he was "forced" well whatever he still showed he can kill him. I have already explained myself to you multiple times.

The writer stated the only reason the Void died is because he wanted to. Flat out if he doesn't want to die destroying his body isn't killing him.

Because the Void didn't want to come back as he showed he could. Even an amped shield toss sliced his head off but that isn't a kill either.

tkitna
Thor cant win this

Silent Master
Sure he can, he just needs to kill the Sentry.....which is something that we know he can do.

Damborgson
Originally posted by quanchi112
I have already explained myself to you multiple times.

The writer stated the only reason the Void died is because he wanted to. Flat out if he doesn't want to die destroying his body isn't killing him.

Because the Void didn't want to come back as he showed he could. Even an amped shield toss sliced his head off but that isn't a kill either. As have I. Difference is what i said made sense.

NOT A PERMANENT DEATH. But he can be "killed" he just comes back. Its a death, just not a permanent one. Same with Thanos.

The void wanted to come back, Bob is just holding him back. A shield slice is not on the same level as getting incinerated. There was nothing left to regenerate.

Shall we continue for two more pages? Or do u want to call it good?

Damborgson
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I think what Damborgson is trying to say is this:

Sentry/Void/Bob/Whatever wanted to be killed, so he goaded Thor into killing him. That being said, Thor had the power to actually outright slay him. Bob forced himself to stay dead. I don't think anyone else present was equipped to deal enough damage to kill Void. Even if he wants to die or not, Void/Sentry still is invincible (relatively speaking, of course). He doesn't "shut off" his natural durability outside of reverting to Bob. Nothing in Siege showed that he "toned down" his defenses either.

He wanted to die, Thor obliged him as he had the power to do so. I highly doubt if Bob screamed at Steve Rogers to kill him, he could have once he Voided out.

It seems pretty simple to me that Thor has the power needed to kill Void, regardless of whether or not Void comes back. yep. Thats what ive been saying. smile

quanchi112
Originally posted by Damborgson
As have I. Difference is what i said made sense.

NOT A PERMANENT DEATH. But he can be "killed" he just comes back. Its a death, just not a permanent one. Same with Thanos.

The void wanted to come back, Bob is just holding him back. A shield slice is not on the same level as getting incinerated. There was nothing left to regenerate.

Shall we continue for two more pages? Or do u want to call it good? No, being immune to death means your body is just destroyed you really aren't dead. The Void only didn't return because he didn't want to. We've seen him screw with his wife before by letting a laser gun blow off his head for the most part but it didn't even phase him.

The Void's body was there he didn't come back he let Thor toss him into the sun after we saw him come back from complete annihilation from the MM. Yeah, Void only allowed Thor to destroy his body/kill him as the writer stated.

Damborgson
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, being immune to death means your body is just destroyed you really aren't dead. The Void only didn't return because he didn't want to. We've seen him screw with his wife before by letting a laser gun blow off his head for the most part but it didn't even phase him.

The Void's body was there he didn't come back he let Thor toss him into the sun after we saw him come back from complete annihilation from the MM. Yeah, Void only allowed Thor to destroy his body/kill him as the writer stated. Excuse me? The laser gun blew sentry's face off. Sentry died. The void returned him. No the void was being held back by bob. Thor killed him but bob didnt let the void return.

The void was dead. He didnt let anyone do anything. Bob is stopping the void from returning. Otherwise the void would have returned. Thor killed the void and in this scenario he can do it again. At lest foe the forum win.

Zack Fair
durthor/thread

King Kandy
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Great...so you agree that Thor would destroy Void with Soul Suck!

smile
It could work, if he was able to execute it.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Damborgson
Excuse me? The laser gun blew sentry's face off. Sentry died. The void returned him. No the void was being held back by bob. Thor killed him but bob didnt let the void return.

The void was dead. He didnt let anyone do anything. Bob is stopping the void from returning. Otherwise the void would have returned. Thor killed the void and in this scenario he can do it again. At lest foe the forum win. The Void was screwing with his wife as he altered his own molecular structure he wasn't dead. LOL.

You just admitted Bob stopped the Void so you agree without Bob's interference or guilt Thor can't win.

I couldn't agree more.

Void's like that honorable father letting his kid(Thor) win one.

Damborgson
Originally posted by quanchi112
The Void was screwing with his wife as he altered his own molecular structure he wasn't dead. LOL.

You just admitted Bob stopped the Void so you agree without Bob's interference or guilt Thor can't win.

I couldn't agree more.

Void's like that honorable father letting his kid(Thor) win one. you need to take meds....i didnt say the void was dead. I said the blast killed sentry. Dropped him right there. The void brought him back. LMAO.

Yeah he stopped the void from returning again. Thor still killed him. He incinerated him. Whether he comes back or not is not in discussion. Thor gets the forum win.

laughing out loud youve lost Quanchi.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Damborgson
you need to take meds....i didnt say the void was dead. I said the blast killed sentry. Dropped him right there. The void brought him back. LMAO.

Yeah he stopped the void from returning again. Thor still killed him. He incinerated him. Whether he comes back or not is not in discussion. Thor gets the forum win.

laughing out loud youve lost Quanchi. It didn't bring him back he was just screwing with her just like cap's shield didn't kill the Void since he doesn't need to have a head to still exist making him completely different than a human being.

Thor killed a suicidable bob who forced him to do it and allowed him to incinerate him into the sun since Thor wasn't powerful enough to do so under his own power. Please get your facts straight.

If Superman grabs wonderwoman and says kill me that doesn't mean she can kill him with him actively trying to beat her. This is some of the worst logic I've ever heard. In a vs. fight Void wants to win so he easily does as evidenced by Thor at his mercy along with the avengers.

Losing isn't in my dna.

Damborgson
Originally posted by quanchi112
It didn't bring him back he was just screwing with her just like cap's shield didn't kill the Void since he doesn't need to have a head to still exist making him completely different than a human being.

Thor killed a suicidable bob who forced him to do it and allowed him to incinerate him into the sun since Thor wasn't powerful enough to do so under his own power. Please get your facts straight.

If Superman grabs wonderwoman and says kill me that doesn't mean she can kill him with him actively trying to beat her. This is some of the worst logic I've ever heard. In a vs. fight Void wants to win so he easily does as evidenced by Thor at his mercy along with the avengers.

Losing isn't in my dna. The sentry. The guy who loves his wife more than anything in the world and threw himslef into a sun to prevent her death was messing his wife who just blew his face off? Thats about as wrong as it gets Quanchi...Whats even more wrong is you once again ignoring that im talking about the sentry dying and not the void. Obviously the void was fine and well. The sentry got his face blown off. http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/3853/982630-scan0033_super.jpg see? Sentry. Not void. Dont bring up the "well there the one and the same" thing cuz thats not how it works.

Thor killed the void who was holding him down and blowing away his comrades. Bob told Thor to kill him because the void was taking over again and knew Thor was the only one capable of stopping him. And he did just that. Please get your facts straight.

You really do need to take meds. The void did not want to die. His durability was still the same. That means that Thor's final attack was more powerful than any other before hand. When the void hurt Thor during siege Thor was incredibly weakened. Beaten bloody, fought the sentry/void, had his home destroyed, and now he gets attacked by the void at full power. WM Thor being 10x more powerful has the potential to incinerate the void just like normal Thor did.

Then ill beat it into you. devil

quanchi112
Originally posted by Damborgson
The sentry. The guy who loves his wife more than anything in the world and threw himslef into a sun to prevent her death was messing his wife who just blew his face off? Thats about as wrong as it gets Quanchi...Whats even more wrong is you once again ignoring that im talking about the sentry dying and not the void. Obviously the void was fine and well. The sentry got his face blown off. http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/3853/982630-scan0033_super.jpg see? Sentry. Not void. Dont bring up the "well there the one and the same" thing cuz thats not how it works.

Thor killed the void who was holding him down and blowing away his comrades. Bob told Thor to kill him because the void was taking over again and knew Thor was the only one capable of stopping him. And he did just that. Please get your facts straight.

You really do need to take meds. The void did not want to die. His durability was still the same. That means that Thor's final attack was more powerful than any other before hand. When the void hurt Thor during siege Thor was incredibly weakened. Beaten bloody, fought the sentry/void, had his home destroyed, and now he gets attacked by the void at full power. WM Thor being 10x more powerful has the potential to incinerate the void just like normal Thor did.

Then ill beat it into you. devil We see on the next panel the Sentry/Void is fine since the Void was working through the sentry for some time yet and was going back and forth as both.

No, Thor only did so because the writer even explained the Void only goes away when he wants to so if he didn't want to Thor couldn't have stopped him.

We see the Void screaming kill me, so whether it was just a part of bob or not it wasn't 100 percent the Void anymore ever since we saw Bob.

No, Thor can't ever kill him unless he's suicidal with Bob in there as explained by the writer himself.

It's funny how Thor backers all claim Thor was weakened while conveniently forgetting Void was attacked by a helicarrier, the avengers, norn stones amped avengers, and the fact he brought down asgard himself while easily restraining Thor.

If the Void doesn't have to worry about an entire team he can easily kill Thor since that's just one guy he has to focus on.

I win/Void wins.

Damborgson
Originally posted by quanchi112
We see on the next panel the Sentry/Void is fine since the Void was working through the sentry for some time yet and was going back and forth as both.

No, Thor only did so because the writer even explained the Void only goes away when he wants to so if he didn't want to Thor couldn't have stopped him.

We see the Void screaming kill me, so whether it was just a part of bob or not it wasn't 100 percent the Void anymore ever since we saw Bob.

No, Thor can't ever kill him unless he's suicidal with Bob in there as explained by the writer himself.

It's funny how Thor backers all claim Thor was weakened while conveniently forgetting Void was attacked by a helicarrier, the avengers, norn stones amped avengers, and the fact he brought down asgard himself while easily restraining Thor.

If the Void doesn't have to worry about an entire team he can easily kill Thor since that's just one guy he has to focus on.

I win/Void wins. No we dont.His wife got in the entire story of sentry being a drug addict before the void takes over again and brings bob back. Yeah he was going back and forth as both but it was the sentry who was in control at the time. erm I thought that would be obvious...

NO your wrong. This is what Bendis said. "Number two, yes, Bob realized that things had gone as far as they could possibly go. There was no other end for him and without his cooperation he doesn't go away." That just means that the void would havereturned had Bob not stopped it. Doesnt mean Thor end kill him. Just means he would have come back. Same with MM. He did it 3 times. Void just brought them back. Thor had the power to do so, so he did.

Read this. :http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/663/proofer.jpg The void seized control again. That "kill me" were Bob's last words.

Yes Thor can. And he did. Bob was gone at the end except for his final words. Thor took the void down.

its funny how you seem to forget that the void healed anything that was thrown at him. Only Thor even slowed him down in that fight and allowed for the hellicarrier attack to be done by pinning him with lightning. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_njhrb1fZtrI/SxGFyMVB-_I/AAAAAAAAAEM/UziY6dS6ygc/s1600/20070902-Facepalm1.jpg Quanchi...I already explained how weakened Thor was...that statement was a fail...

even more of a fail...the avengers were almost all entirely non factors. After the norn amp was gone they were once again totally useless and Thor did the heavy lifting from there on out.

Void failed/Quanchi failed. Thor won/i won two posts ago. wink

quanchi112
Originally posted by Damborgson
No we dont.His wife got in the entire story of sentry being a drug addict before the void takes over again and brings bob back. Yeah he was going back and forth as both but it was the sentry who was in control at the time. erm I thought that would be obvious...

NO your wrong. This is what Bendis said. "Number two, yes, Bob realized that things had gone as far as they could possibly go. There was no other end for him and without his cooperation he doesn't go away." That just means that the void would havereturned had Bob not stopped it. Doesnt mean Thor end kill him. Just means he would have come back. Same with MM. He did it 3 times. Void just brought them back. Thor had the power to do so, so he did.

Read this. :http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/663/proofer.jpg The void seized control again. That "kill me" were Bob's last words.

Yes Thor can. And he did. Bob was gone at the end except for his final words. Thor took the void down.

its funny how you seem to forget that the void healed anything that was thrown at him. Only Thor even slowed him down in that fight and allowed for the hellicarrier attack to be done by pinning him with lightning. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_njhrb1fZtrI/SxGFyMVB-_I/AAAAAAAAAEM/UziY6dS6ygc/s1600/20070902-Facepalm1.jpg Quanchi...I already explained how weakened Thor was...that statement was a fail...

even more of a fail...the avengers were almost all entirely non factors. After the norn amp was gone they were once again totally useless and Thor did the heavy lifting from there on out.

Void failed/Quanchi failed. Thor won/i won two posts ago. wink There is no end/aka death for him without his cooperation. Thanks for destroying your own argument and proving me the victor.

So if the Void can heal any damage he can heal from Thor's attacks as well but since he didn't only proves he didn't want to.



Yeah, the fact there was a team, loki, and thor had multiple chances with Bob egging him on means nothing because Thor totally killed him, right ?

This is just a terrible argument.

Damborgson
Originally posted by quanchi112
There is no end/aka death for him without his cooperation. Thanks for destroying your own argument and proving me the victor.

So if the Void can heal any damage he can heal from Thor's attacks as well but since he didn't only proves he didn't want to.



Yeah, the fact there was a team, loki, and thor had multiple chances with Bob egging him on means nothing because Thor totally killed him, right ?

This is just a terrible argument.
Oh please. Your misinterpretation of things has been baffling in this argument. Let me lay it out one more time. 1. Bob wants to be killed 2. thor says no 3. void takes over 4. Thor ends him. 5. Bob stops void from returning. This is what Bendis is saying. Not the fail misinterpretation's that you have spouted for 3 pages.

Loki wanted to die from the beginning, and the team was mostly street levelers. They were almost all non factors. Their presence was for show. Thor kills him, Bob stops him from returning. its as simple as that.

By your side maybe.

Damborgson
We can keep this going if u want but not today. I need to finish studying for my final. ill be back tomorrow.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Damborgson
Oh please. Your misinterpretation of things has been baffling in this argument. Let me lay it out one more time. 1. Bob wants to be killed 2. thor says no 3. void takes over 4. Thor ends him. 5. Bob stops void from returning. This is what Bendis is saying. Not the fail misinterpretation's that you have spouted for 3 pages.

Loki wanted to die from the beginning, and the team was mostly street levelers. They were almost all non factors. Their presence was for show. Thor kills him, Bob stops him from returning. its as simple as that.

By your side maybe. Without his cooperation he doesn't go away so this means if he doesn't cooperate he doesn't go away. Without Bob showing up the Void would never have been defeated. This has always been consistent with the Void the only character capable of beating him is himself so Thor can't on his own. Your interview confirms it.


Loki still aided the team so whether he wanted to die is irrelevant since his actions gave new life to the team.

It's also hypocritical of you to say Loki wanted to die but then ignore Bob asking/wanting his own death.

bbrem123
void rape stomps thor

tkitna
So people actually think Thor killed Void without Bob's help?

Wow

ankur29
Originally posted by tkitna
So people actually think Thor killed Void without Bob's help?

Wow

agreed , this is ridiculous

guys are so far up thor's ass roll eyes (sarcastic)

Damborgson
Originally posted by quanchi112
Without his cooperation he doesn't go away so this means if he doesn't cooperate he doesn't go away. Without Bob showing up the Void would never have been defeated. This has always been consistent with the Void the only character capable of beating him is himself so Thor can't on his own. Your interview confirms it.


Loki still aided the team so whether he wanted to die is irrelevant since his actions gave new life to the team.

It's also hypocritical of you to say Loki wanted to die but then ignore Bob asking/wanting his own death. Correct. Doesnt mean that Thor wouldnt have incinerated the void though. Just means the void would have returned. So yeah had Bob not stopped the voids return, eventually all would have died. But thor "killed it" like MM did. Void just respwned. Thor could "kill" it on his own he just needed Bob to not let it return.

Why do u mention the team as if it mattered? Partial damage is useless against the void. and that is the beast that group of mostly street levelrs could ever hope to do.

Oh so now its BOB that wanted to die and not the VOID? The only hypocrisy here is by your part proven in that last statement. Dude Loki let the void kill him. He could have easily escaped. He didnt want to live. The void did.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Damborgson
Correct. Doesnt mean that Thor wouldnt have incinerated the void though. Just means the void would have returned. So yeah had Bob not stopped the voids return, eventually all would have died. But thor "killed it" like MM did. Void just respwned. Thor could "kill" it on his own he just needed Bob to not let it return.

Why do u mention the team as if it mattered? Partial damage is useless against the void. and that is the beast that group of mostly street levelrs could ever hope to do.

Oh so now its BOB that wanted to die and not the VOID? The only hypocrisy here is by your part proven in that last statement. Dude Loki let the void kill him. He could have easily escaped. He didnt want to live. The void did. No, Thor didn't Bob cooperated into being defeated so not actively coming back and altering his body met he allowed his death and in no way, shape, or form can Thor replicate it without his cooperation.



Bob/Void whatever screamed killed me so despite his appearance Bob's influence yet remained. The Void/Bob demanded Thor kill him. Loki could have escaped but Void just killed him. Loki can't return on the spot and Loki didn't demand hey you kill me the Void did so because Loki interfered.


Just surrender your soul already.

Silent Master
Thor wins via lightning.

Damborgson
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, Thor didn't Bob cooperated into being defeated so not actively coming back and altering his body met he allowed his death and in no way, shape, or form can Thor replicate it without his cooperation.



Bob/Void whatever screamed killed me so despite his appearance Bob's influence yet remained. The Void/Bob demanded Thor kill him. Loki could have escaped but Void just killed him. Loki can't return on the spot and Loki didn't demand hey you kill me the Void did so because Loki interfered.

Yes Thor did. And he could do it again. It would be this.http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/52044/1351071-thor_vs_sentry_08_super.jpg without the void screaming kill me. Then we'd see the skeleton, then the void would surge back from the dead.

Bob did right before the influence of the void overwhelmed him again. The void did not want to die. Bob did. Loki from the beginning knew that Siege would lead to his death. Thats why he planned it. Thats why he made sure he would have no afterlife in Hela's domain. He knew he would die and he let the void do it. He didnt have to scream "kill me" he knew it would happen and thats what he wanted.

ill see you in hell first. evil face

quanchi112
Originally posted by Damborgson
Yes Thor did. And he could do it again. It would be this.http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/52044/1351071-thor_vs_sentry_08_super.jpg without the void screaming kill me. Then we'd see the skeleton, then the void would surge back from the dead.

Bob did right before the influence of the void overwhelmed him again. The void did not want to die. Bob did. Loki from the beginning knew that Siege would lead to his death. Thats why he planned it. Thats why he made sure he would have no afterlife in Hela's domain. He knew he would die and he let the void do it. He didnt have to scream "kill me" he knew it would happen and thats what he wanted.

ill see you in hell first. evil face The Void would have never turned into a skeleton in the first place this was him lowering his guard and demanding death. Void stomps here since Bob isn't influencing the outcome.

Bob screamed kill me when as the Void showing it wasn't 100 percent Void anymore ever since the guilt became too much Bob resurfaced.

So how does it suddenly change because Loki knew he would die ? Void still can kill him and the best Loki can do is flee which is a forum loss anyways. Unlike the Void loss to Thor/avengers where he cooperated in his own death.

Void stomps here as there is no Bob and Void can kill him whereas Thor cannot kill the Void without Bob/Void/Sentry's cooperation.

Damborgson
Originally posted by quanchi112
The Void would have never turned into a skeleton in the first place this was him lowering his guard and demanding death. Void stomps here since Bob isn't influencing the outcome.

Bob screamed kill me when as the Void showing it wasn't 100 percent Void anymore ever since the guilt became too much Bob resurfaced.

So how does it suddenly change because Loki knew he would die ? Void still can kill him and the best Loki can do is flee which is a forum loss anyways. Unlike the Void loss to Thor/avengers where he cooperated in his own death.

Void stomps here as there is no Bob and Void can kill him whereas Thor cannot kill the Void without Bob/Void/Sentry's cooperation. Yes he would have. Thor had the power to do it and he demonstrated it. erm the void did not have his guard lowered. He got fried. Nothing more to it.


laughing out loud the void feels no guilt. Bob wanted to die doesnt mean the void did.

how does what suddenly change? This isnt a debate on whether Loki can beat the void or not. He cant. but if Loki wanted to he would have escaped. He WANTED to die. Thats why he started the siege of Asgard. He took control of his own fate. its not like with Bob who wanted to die and then the void took over and attacked everyone again because it didnt want to die. The avengers were nonfactors without the norns.

Thor can still kill the void. He showed the power to do it. Itll just return.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Damborgson
Yes he would have. Thor had the power to do it and he demonstrated it. erm the void did not have his guard lowered. He got fried. Nothing more to it.


laughing out loud the void feels no guilt. Bob wanted to die doesnt mean the void did.

how does what suddenly change? This isnt a debate on whether Loki can beat the void or not. He cant. but if Loki wanted to he would have escaped. He WANTED to die. Thats why he started the siege of Asgard. He took control of his own fate. its not like with Bob who wanted to die and then the void took over and attacked everyone again because it didnt want to die. The avengers were nonfactors without the norns.

Thor can still kill the void. He showed the power to do it. Itll just return. The writer says without his cooperation and shows on panel he wants death and can alter his own molecules.

The Void doesn't but Bob still had control due to kill me as the Void. The Void wouldn't scream kill me, gelfing.

Escaping means he still loses whereas the Void can only be defeated through his own cooperation so without it Thor can't win.

Void can kill Loki and Thor. He brought down all of asgard. Void>>>asgard.

Thor can only do so if he has his cooperation. End of story.

cdtm
It looked like Loki was trying to use the stones against Void, though. If he wanted to die, why do that?

And killing Loki that easily is a really good feat for Void, if you consider he's taken attacks from the likes of Surter before, when he was amped on the Casks of Ancient Winters...

Damborgson
Originally posted by cdtm
It looked like Loki was trying to use the stones against Void, though. If he wanted to die, why do that?

And killing Loki that easily is a really good feat for Void, if you consider he's taken attacks from the likes of Surter before, when he was amped on the Casks of Ancient Winters... Cuz he didnt want people to know he wanted to die. This was explained in the new "journey into the Mystery"

Yeah even with Loki letting himself die it was still impressive.

Damborgson
Originally posted by quanchi112
The writer says without his cooperation and shows on panel he wants death and can alter his own molecules.

The Void doesn't but Bob still had control due to kill me as the Void. The Void wouldn't scream kill me, gelfing.

Escaping means he still loses whereas the Void can only be defeated through his own cooperation so without it Thor can't win.

Void can kill Loki and Thor. He brought down all of asgard. Void>>>asgard.

Thor can only do so if he has his cooperation. End of story. The writer said Bob was needed to make sure the void stayed down permanently. But without Thor the void would have killed everyone. Thor was the only one with the power to bring him down and he did it.

Bob also wouldnt hold down the guy who he just told to kill him. Those were his last words before being consumed again. Bendis was trying to make it epic.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_njhrb1fZtrI/SxGFyMVB-_I/AAAAAAAAAEM/UziY6dS6ygc/s1600/20070902-Facepalm1.jpg Good Lord. Im not arguing the Loki thing with you. Im not trying to act like he didnt lose. He got blown up.

Thor can and did take him down. Will you argue that just because Bob didnt let the void come back to life that that attack wouldnt have had the same effect? He's have still been incinerated.

Void bringing down Asgard supposed to mean something? If Void>asgard because he destroyed it then Thor>void because Thor killed it. Yes i can be irrational just like you.


Thor can incinerate the void whenever he lets off the power to do. And he does. The void will return? So what? Thor gets the forum win.

bbrem123
thor loses

quanchi112
Originally posted by Damborgson
The writer said Bob was needed to make sure the void stayed down permanently. But without Thor the void would have killed everyone. Thor was the only one with the power to bring him down and he did it.

Bob also wouldnt hold down the guy who he just told to kill him. Those were his last words before being consumed again. Bendis was trying to make it epic.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_njhrb1fZtrI/SxGFyMVB-_I/AAAAAAAAAEM/UziY6dS6ygc/s1600/20070902-Facepalm1.jpg Good Lord. Im not arguing the Loki thing with you. Im not trying to act like he didnt lose. He got blown up.

Thor can and did take him down. Will you argue that just because Bob didnt let the void come back to life that that attack wouldnt have had the same effect? He's have still been incinerated.

Void bringing down Asgard supposed to mean something? If Void>asgard because he destroyed it then Thor>void because Thor killed it. Yes i can be irrational just like you.


Thor can incinerate the void whenever he lets off the power to do. And he does. The void will return? So what? Thor gets the forum win. He screamed as the Void kill me so if it was the Void in complete control he would never have uttered those words.

Once again he was never incinerated until he was thrown into the sun and on his own minus Bob's guilt he dominates Thor because without the aid Thor had Bob never would have showed up anyways so Void for the stomp.

Silent Master
Thor + lightning = Dead Void.

Mindset
As you all know, I'm a huge Thor fan, and while I hate to admit it, he gets his face caved in with complete and utter ease.

He'll be lying in a puddle of his own tears, blood, and feces.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Mindset
As you all know, I'm a huge Thor fan, and while I hate to admit it, he gets his face caved in with complete and utter ease.

He'll be lying in a puddle of his own tears, blood, and feces. You have become Thor's beacon of white hope since Rage tossed him aside with his sickening Superman fetish.

Damborgson
Originally posted by quanchi112
He screamed as the Void kill me so if it was the Void in complete control he would never have uttered those words.

Once again he was never incinerated until he was thrown into the sun and on his own minus Bob's guilt he dominates Thor because without the aid Thor had Bob never would have showed up anyways so Void for the stomp. http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/rave74/1c322115f702273093c76e993b5fb9d11229987145_full.jpg

I already explained that t you. in my last post actually,

Im not talking about Thor honoring him by putting him into the sun. Im talking about the smoking pile of bones left after Thor hit him with that final attack.

Have u finally realized that you will not win this?

iceman24567
Thor stomps

quanchi112
Originally posted by Damborgson
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/rave74/1c322115f702273093c76e993b5fb9d11229987145_full.jpg

I already explained that t you. in my last post actually,

Im not talking about Thor honoring him by putting him into the sun. Im talking about the smoking pile of bones left after Thor hit him with that final attack.

Have u finally realized that you will not win this? Void restrians Thor like he did so while bringing down asgard and while taking on the avengers. Void/Bob just telling Thor to kill him won't happen as he won't provide the opening and without the aid from Loki etc. Thor can't win.

Damborgson
Originally posted by quanchi112
Void restrians Thor like he did so while bringing down asgard and while taking on the avengers. Void/Bob just telling Thor to kill him won't happen as he won't provide the opening and without the aid from Loki etc. Thor can't win. Thor wont be a tired bloody mess either. The void tried to restrain Thor in the end and failed and was incinerated. Thor handled the void just fine after he lost the power of the norns.

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/1886/siege01013.jpg

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/1804/siege01014.jpg

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/6235/siege01015016.jpg

Thor pinned and basically didnt even let the Void move. The only difference would be instead of a helicarrier coming down on the void it would be Thor's hammer incinerating the void again.

gogogadgetgo
Thor fries Sentry/Void again

quanchi112
Originally posted by Damborgson
Thor wont be a tired bloody mess either. The void tried to restrain Thor in the end and failed and was incinerated. Thor handled the void just fine after he lost the power of the norns.

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/1886/siege01013.jpg

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/1804/siege01014.jpg

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/6235/siege01015016.jpg

Thor pinned and basically didnt even let the Void move. The only difference would be instead of a helicarrier coming down on the void it would be Thor's hammer incinerating the void again. The same character screamed to kill him so it's hardly proof of anything other than a need to die aka leaving the opportunity along with the cooperation which the writer agreed is the only way the heroes could have all beaten him.

Void restrained Thor every time he wanted to save when Bob came forth and wanted death. Void, easily.

Thor doesn't have the aid of a team to buy him the time nor does he have a suicidal guilt ridden character aiding in his own death.

gogogadgetgo
Originally posted by quanchi112
The same character screamed to kill him so it's hardly proof of anything other than a need to die aka leaving the opportunity along with the cooperation which the writer agreed is the only way the heroes could have all beaten him.

Void restrained Thor every time he wanted to save when Bob came forth and wanted death. Void, easily.

Thor doesn't have the aid of a team to buy him the time nor does he have a suicidal guilt ridden character aiding in his own death.

and at the same time, tried to kill them all. Bob clinging to his last glimmer of humanity and Thor, with the threat of his comrades getting killed, killed the Void.

Spin it all you want, but on panel, a regular Thor killed the Void.

and why would Thor need the aid of others? this is WM Thor who is 10 times stronger and tougher. Void dies again.

Damborgson
Originally posted by quanchi112
The same character screamed to kill him so it's hardly proof of anything other than a need to die aka leaving the opportunity along with the cooperation which the writer agreed is the only way the heroes could have all beaten him.

Void restrained Thor every time he wanted to save when Bob came forth and wanted death. Void, easily.

Thor doesn't have the aid of a team to buy him the time nor does he have a suicidal guilt ridden character aiding in his own death. Ive debunked this argument multiple times already. No need to waste my time proving u wrong AGAIN.

whats everytime? Do u mean once? Cuz the second time he got turned into a smoking pile of bones.

Youve lost Quanchi. It was fun while it lasted but now your done. Take the honorable leave or continue to babble in order to get the last word in. Its all the same to me. Later.

gogogadgetgo
Originally posted by quanchi112
The same character screamed to kill him so it's hardly proof of anything other than a need to die aka leaving the opportunity along with the cooperation which the writer agreed is the only way the heroes could have all beaten him.



also, how is trying to kill the heroes cooperating?

tkitna
The Sentry/Void hatred is strong as usual.

So people twisted the story into Thor killing Void with no outside factors? Brilliant.

Did anybody see how the Void was handling Thor previous to Bob's interefernce? Thor was literally powerless against him. As a matter of fact, if the Void doesnt get distracted, Thor dies.

Why is it so hard for people to understand that Bob was fighting against the Void near the end, thus depowering him and allowing Thor and the others the victory? Hate the character, but dont twist the story around to appease your own opinion.

quanchi112
Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
and at the same time, tried to kill them all. Bob clinging to his last glimmer of humanity and Thor, with the threat of his comrades getting killed, killed the Void.

Spin it all you want, but on panel, a regular Thor killed the Void.

and why would Thor need the aid of others? this is WM Thor who is 10 times stronger and tougher. Void dies again. Ignoring the writer actually stating without the Void's cooperation he won't go away and the fact Thor had massive help, sure. You shouldn't debate if you don't know what the word context means.


Void only lost due to Bob wanting death so him being ten times as strong means nothing since Void can kill him at will.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Ive debunked this argument multiple times already. No need to waste my time proving u wrong AGAIN.

whats everytime? Do u mean once? Cuz the second time he got turned into a smoking pile of bones.

Youve lost Quanchi. It was fun while it lasted but now your done. Take the honorable leave or continue to babble in order to get the last word in. Its all the same to me. Later. No, you lost.

Void beats just Thor. Void only loses when he takes on an entire team of Thor, Loki, norn stones, and Bo shows up who allows him to lose.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
also, how is trying to kill the heroes cooperating? The Void initially dropped Thor when he turned his attention to destroy asgard and also had him at his mercy when Loki amped the heroes allowing them a reprieve. It wasn't like Thor just freed himself he needed an amp and outside help. If you can't grasp the story don't debate the characters.

bbrem123
Originally posted by tkitna
The Sentry/Void hatred is strong as usual.

So people twisted the story into Thor killing Void with no outside factors? Brilliant.

Did anybody see how the Void was handling Thor previous to Bob's interefernce? Thor was literally powerless against him. As a matter of fact, if the Void doesnt get distracted, Thor dies.

Why is it so hard for people to understand that Bob was fighting against the Void near the end, thus depowering him and allowing Thor and the others the victory? Hate the character, but dont twist the story around to appease your own opinion.

nicely said thumb up

gogogadgetgo
Originally posted by tkitna
The Sentry/Void hatred is strong as usual.

So people twisted the story into Thor killing Void with no outside factors? Brilliant.

Did anybody see how the Void was handling Thor previous to Bob's interefernce? Thor was literally powerless against him. As a matter of fact, if the Void doesnt get distracted, Thor dies.

Why is it so hard for people to understand that Bob was fighting against the Void near the end, thus depowering him and allowing Thor and the others the victory? Hate the character, but dont twist the story around to appease your own opinion.

your the one actually trying to spin things. where was it stated that Bob depowered the Void for it to be killed? On panel, all Bob did was plead to be killed.

The Void has no amping nor does the Sentry. Their power is what it is. Prove that they can power down coz as it is, the Void/Sentry does not amp and the "Bob depowering the Void" is pure crap.

gogogadgetgo
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ignoring the writer actually stating without the Void's cooperation he won't go away and the fact Thor had massive help, sure. You shouldn't debate if you don't know what the word context means.


Void only lost due to Bob wanting death so him being ten times as strong means nothing since Void can kill him at will.
No, you lost.

Void beats just Thor. Void only loses when he takes on an entire team of Thor, Loki, norn stones, and Bo shows up who allows him to lose.

The Void initially dropped Thor when he turned his attention to destroy asgard and also had him at his mercy when Loki amped the heroes allowing them a reprieve. It wasn't like Thor just freed himself he needed an amp and outside help. If you can't grasp the story don't debate the characters.

yup, take your own advise and check the context. Thor was already weakened having fought Sentry,etc.

and writers' comments mean shit. unless it is stated on panel, what they say is nothing. only fools cling to what writers say as it has proven time and again that many writers know shit about characters.

How can a Thor who is 10 times stronger be held back easily?

Its you who can't grasp that thor here is 10 times stronger. its you who cant grasp thor has the power to kill the Void. it is you who keeps turning a blind eye at the fact that THor did on panel kill the Void. all your proof is from the writer who's thoughts mean nothing unless it is on panel. and on panel, Thor killed the Void.

Live with it. loser.

quanchi112
Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
yup, take your own advise and check the context. Thor was already weakened having fought Sentry,etc.

and writers' comments mean shit. unless it is stated on panel, what they say is nothing. only fools cling to what writers say as it has proven time and again that many writers know shit about characters.

How can a Thor who is 10 times stronger be held back easily?

Its you who can't grasp that thor here is 10 times stronger. its you who cant grasp thor has the power to kill the Void. it is you who keeps turning a blind eye at the fact that THor did on panel kill the Void. all your proof is from the writer who's thoughts mean nothing unless it is on panel. and on panel, Thor killed the Void.

Live with it. loser. The Sentry fought Thor, Loki, avengers, Ares, brought down asgard, etc. Works both ways.

Writers opinions concerning their own work is treated as fact since they wrote it. According to you if you misinterpret a scene and the writer says you are wrong he has no business despite having created the story himself. You don't have to be intelligent to see how biased your argument is.

Void is more powerful than Thor at times ten strength.

Thor only has the power if the Void cooperates on panel. It was stated on panel that the Void screamed kill me.

The writer himself agrees with me.

I don't lose I win, baby. It's all I do.

Badabing
If you keep trolling, you'll be out of the Quanelph matrix! sneer

tkitna
Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
The Void has no amping nor does the Sentry. Their power is what it is. Prove that they can power down coz as it is, the Void/Sentry does not amp and the "Bob depowering the Void" is pure crap.

Are you familiar with the Void at all outside of Siege? (Apparently not)
Look, the character walks through heros like they arent even there (Avengers, X-men, FF4, Dr. Strange, Hulk, etc,,,and at the same time), was about to pop Thors head like a zit before Norman called him off and is a being that seemingly cant die, but yet Bob has beaten him, defeated him, or made him disappear and you think he had nothing to do with the final outcome? Sorry, but you deciphered that comic wrong.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Badabing
If you keep trolling, you'll be out of the Quanelph matrix! sneer I'll fight you at kennywood.

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