X-Men: Schism

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Kazenji
http://marvel.com/news/story/16058/sneak_peek_x-men_schism_1

Scythe
Pretty cool, I've always liked it when Cyke and Logan were at eachothers throats.

StiltmanFTW
Enjoyed Prelude to Schism #1.

Some cover preview I found:

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/8518/097184133.th.jpg

Shadow_King
I heard marvel announced after x-men schism they are ending the uncanny x-men series.

StiltmanFTW
Yep, I heard that too.

StiltmanFTW
Second issue of PtS was fine, too. Jenkins knows how to write an interesting comic book without resorting to loads of action scenes.

-Pr-
I keep wondering how much more they're going to ruin Cyclops...

StiltmanFTW
Oh c'mon, Fraction is not involved anymore. As far as I know, it'll be Wolverine dividing the X-Men, not Cyke.

-Pr-
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Oh c'mon, Fraction is not involved anymore. As far as I know, it'll be Wolverine dividing the X-Men, not Cyke.

That might be good, then. I just worry if they fight...

Cyclops is one of the few people in X-Men books that has always done reasonable well against Logan...

peejayd
from Comicvine:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/40/1863343-xmen_regenesis_super.jpeg

peejayd
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/8094/teaser1.jpg
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/5291/teaser2jb.jpg
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/1615/teaser3w.jpg

Digi
Sentinels used to job less.

the ninjak
Team Cyke has 2 Omega level potentials on his side from that pick. Plus Mags.

And Emma's on Logan's team SAY WHAT! She's gotta be playin him laughing out loud

StyleTime
Um......is Wolverine beating one of the sentinels by stomping on its head?

StiltmanFTW
lmfao just noticed that laughing out loud

colossulrage
did all those sentinels pop out of that tiny ass truck?? confused

Kazenji
You sure its tiny?

it could be like the inside of Doctor Who's Tardis.

ExodusCloak
Originally posted by -Pr-
That might be good, then. I just worry if they fight...

Cyclops is one of the few people in X-Men books that has always done reasonable well against Logan...

I'm thinking Cyclops might get locked up at the end of Schism by the Avengers.

The schism will begin in his absence. Probably a split down the middle on whether to spring him out of gaol or leave him there.

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/665/unlednph.jpg

peejayd
* and why in the blue hell is Emma on Logan's side? no expression

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by peejayd
* and why in the blue hell is Emma on Logan's side? no expression

That's just one teaser, the actual rosters may be different.

ExodusCloak
http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/e/e0/4e0b3eb51bf5e/detail.jpg

StyleTime
Well, this clearly changes the Cyclops vs Wolverine threads. Wolverine can fight through an optic beam. shifty
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
gaol
Heh. I always assumed you were American for some reason.

ExodusCloak
Originally posted by StyleTime
Well, this clearly changes the Cyclops vs Wolverine threads. Wolverine can fight through an optic beam. shifty

Heh. I always assumed you were American for some reason.

I don't think they're trying to kill each other...just maim. Otherwise Wolverine would have stabbed Cyclops in the heart or Cyclops would have knocked Wolverines head off.

peejayd
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/e/e0/4e0b3eb51bf5e/detail.jpg

* of course, i'm rooting for Scott... stick out tongue this is a big CIS on Scott's part, look how messed up Logan is, and he still managed to rush close to Scott? he should've BFR'ed him...

* and i can't decypher what's happening on the lower panel... sad

StyleTime
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I don't think they're trying to kill each other...just maim. Otherwise Wolverine would have stabbed Cyclops in the heart or Cyclops would have knocked Wolverines head off.
I was just joking in my last post lol.

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by peejayd
* of course, i'm rooting for Scott... stick out tongue this is a big CIS on Scott's part, look how messed up Logan is, and he still managed to rush close to Scott? he should've BFR'ed him...

* and i can't decypher what's happening on the lower panel... sad
excuses excuses.

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I don't think they're trying to kill each other...just maim. Otherwise Wolverine would have stabbed Cyclops in the heart or Cyclops would have knocked Wolverines head off.
I agree, that there not trying to kill eachother.



Though scott can not knock wolverine head off.

peejayd
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
excuses excuses.

* i really can't... so can you please tell it to me then? roll eyes (sarcastic)

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I agree, that there not trying to kill eachother.

Though scott can not knock wolverine head off.

* which is clearly CIS... wink

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by peejayd
* i really can't... so can you please tell it to me then? roll eyes (sarcastic)



* which is clearly CIS... wink
what that ur making excuses? I already did.




how does scot failing to knock wolverine head off, cis? Because u do realize scot can not accomplish this right?

Ridley_Prime
This is what happens when an unstoppable Cyclops fanboy meets an immovable Wolverine one. shifty

Whether Cyclops can knock Wolvie's head off or not, Logan's still not getting anywhere near him with his clawz if Scott is serious, IMO.

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
This is what happens when an unstoppable Cyclops fanboy meets an immovable Wolverine one. shifty

Whether Cyclops can knock Wolvie's head off or not, Logan's still not getting anywhere near him with his clawz if Scott is serious, IMO.
lol






Seeing has how Wolverine already done so, seems like your rational is quite off. Yes if scot is completely out of character and just took his visor off at the start of a fight it be impossible for Wolverine to win. But then again, it also would not be scot fighting, but simply u using scots powers. It has nothing to do with serous or not serous. Scot fights serous all the time and against Wolverine with out utilizing such tactics. Your post seems missleading.

StiltmanFTW
Scott using GOML blast is about as likely as Wolverine ninja-vanishing and appearing right behind him.

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Scott using GOML blast is about as likely as Wolverine ninja-vanishing and appearing right behind him.
Yet of you talk to some Scot fans, it seems like he does it every sunday.




It funny, because Wolverine done the ninja Vanishing trick at least 4 times if not more then scot done his GOML blast.

peejayd

StiltmanFTW
Wolverine while berserker dodged all of Crimson Dynamo's blasts and used environment against him, cut off Deadpool's fingers so he wouldn't be able to pull the trigger, etc. And who says he's berserker anyway?

Exodus really shouldn't have posted that sketch, not even the first issue has been released yet.

Dum Dum Dugan

peejayd

StiltmanFTW

Dum Dum Dugan

srankmissingnin
Obviously they are both holding back. An adamantium headbutt from Wolverine would oneshot Scott if he was at all serious and if Logan moved his hand forward he'd split Cyclops' arm into three sections with no resistance.

Looks like a giant fist made out of metal debris, maybe Magneto decides he should he should just crush them both?

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Obviously they are both holding back. An adamantium headbutt from Wolverine would oneshot Scott if he was at all serious and if Logan moved his hand forward he'd split Cyclops' arm into three sections with no resistance.


very true, but from reading Peej responses Wolverine berserk and Scots holding back........and yet he has the nerve to call me the fanboy laughing

StyleTime
I really did not intend to spark a debate about this. lol

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Obviously they are both holding back. An adamantium headbutt from Wolverine would oneshot Scott if he was at all serious and if Logan moved his hand forward he'd split Cyclops' arm into three sections with no resistance.

Looks like a giant fist made out of metal debris, maybe Magneto decides he should he should just crush them both?

thumb up Wolverine: Saudade? big grin

Or maybe Madison Jeffriees? I believe it's that mysterious threat X-Men were afraid of, but that's just a feeling.

Originally posted by StyleTime
I really did not intend to spark a debate about this. lol

Don't feel guilty, it was inevitable.

srankmissingnin
I thought the threat was Kid Omega.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I thought the threat was Kid Omega.

In Prelude one of the X-Men said they never faced something like this, so it can't be Quentin.

KO might be just a warmup.

peejayd

Dum Dum Dugan

StyleTime
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

Don't feel guilty, it was inevitable.
It appears so.

Dum Dum Dugan
Peej, it was a misunderstanding. Stiltman figured it out. U thought I was referring to the second part of ur original post, but I was refferring to the first part. Which is why are arguements and what each thought the other was argueing got so messed up. We were literally arguing two different things lol.


I never was refferring to ur desciphering of the final two pannels (which i now realise is what u thought I was reffering to)

peejayd
* that's why I emphasized the response I needed, pal... good thing you realized that... roll eyes (sarcastic)

StyleTime
Oh jeez. Don't start another argument with the rolling eyes smiley lol.

peejayd
* how 'bout this -> laughing out loud

StyleTime
That's better. stick out tongue

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by peejayd
* that's why I emphasized the response I needed, pal... good thing you realized that... roll eyes (sarcastic)
meh at least im not such a huge fanboy, I think cis only applies to one of the characters in that scan roll eyes (sarcastic)

peejayd
* can't you just shut up? i just said i already got the response I needed, okay?

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by peejayd
* can't you just shut up? i just said i already got the response I needed, okay?
Can u stop being crazily bias in your interpretation of fights involving scot?

peejayd
* dude, i actually ended the conversation on my July 13 post... and you acknowledged the misunderstanding on July 14... now, what's seems to be bothering you? i never even bothered to reply on July 14 post, thinking it just ended... your July 16 post was irrelevant and late, actually...

* now, if you just can't accept the fact that this brief "tussle" just ended, then you're proving to whole world how much of a Wolverine-fanboy you really are! my business here is over, so get your hairy-midget-man-crush you have on Logan and sleep, maybe he'll visit and marry you in your dreams... laughing out loud

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by peejayd
* dude, i actually ended the conversation on my July 13 post... and you acknowledged the misunderstanding on July 14... now, what's seems to be bothering you? i never even bothered to reply on July 14 post, thinking it just ended... your July 16 post was irrelevant and late, actually...

* now, if you just can't accept the fact that this brief "tussle" just ended, then you're proving to whole world how much of a Wolverine-fanboy you really are! my business here is over, so get your hairy-midget-man-crush you have on Logan and sleep, maybe he'll visit and marry you in your dreams... laughing out loud
I sorry, I dont come on every minut of every day like some people roll eyes (sarcastic) I apologies for having a life.





Why? Becuase I disagree with ur interpretation of events concerning scot, and believe they should be improved upon?

Yes, im such a fanboy for thinking u are a bias scot fanboy. Dam what was a thinking, it not like u have twisted views of events concern scot or anything. roll eyes (sarcastic)

peejayd
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Why? Becuase I disagree with ur interpretation of events concerning scot, and believe they should be improved upon?

* so you want to inject and enforce your own interpretation, just because you think mine's wrong? you're sick, dude... you need to see a doctor... bye! laughing out loud

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by peejayd
* so you want to inject and enforce your own interpretation, just because you think mine's wrong? you're sick, dude... you need to see a doctor... bye! laughing out loud
no, not all all. I trying to get u to understand, cis impacts everyone, not just ur boy scot, which u seem very unable to grasp. Clearly the correct interpetation is that scot was holding back, and Wolverine going all out. Clearly that is the less bias view right roll eyes (sarcastic)




Not the fact they both were holding back and bieng impacted by cis. roll eyes (sarcastic)

peejayd
* fair enough... is that okay?

SuperiorTech
Ok new page how about you two let this go and everyone can pretend it didn't' happen.

KingD19
A little summary for those who want it. I can post scans if needed.

First issue of Schism shows that nations the world still feel threatened enough by mutants(despite their being roughly 200 left) to maintain, re-comission, or build Sentinels after you guessed it, Quentin Quire, AKA Kid Omega interrupts a speech held by Cyclops and mentally compels the entirety of the world leaders there to divulge their darkest secrets. Secrets like a father beating his children simply because he because he enjoys it, a man shooting another man just to watch him die, and a man cheating on his wife of 35 years while she dies of leukemia. With another twist, it turns out that Carlton Kilgore, head of one of the world's largest weapons manufacturing companies 12 year old son, Kade is responsible for Quire escaping. He kills his father and takes over the company. At the end of the issue we discover this was the first step in a multi-step plan to gain him acceptance into the Hellfire Club. He's now the Black King and the seeds had been sown....SCHISM!!!!

StiltmanFTW
I'm excited about this, too bad UXM gets far, far better artist than Wolverine and the X-Men erm

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by KingD19
A little summary for those who want it. I can post scans if needed.

First issue of Schism shows that nations the world still feel threatened enough by mutants(despite their being roughly 200 left) to maintain, re-comission, or build Sentinels after you guessed it, Quentin Quire, AKA Kid Omega interrupts a speech held by Cyclops and mentally compels the entirety of the world leaders there to divulge their darkest secrets. Secrets like a father beating his children simply because he because he enjoys it, a man shooting another man just to watch him die, and a man cheating on his wife of 35 years while she dies of leukemia. With another twist, it turns out that Carlton Kilgore, head of one of the world's largest weapons manufacturing companies 12 year old son, Kade is responsible for Quire escaping. He kills his father and takes over the company. At the end of the issue we discover this was the first step in a multi-step plan to gain him acceptance into the Hellfire Club. He's now the Black King and the seeds had been sown....SCHISM!!!!
Scans please.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Scans please.

You haven't read it?! Shame on you, man stick out tongue

Don't forget to get Wolverine #12, too.

KingD19
This is a lot of pages, so bear with me, lol.

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Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You haven't read it?! Shame on you, man stick out tongue

Don't forget to get Wolverine #12, too.
yea, i havent gottne to my comic shop in a while

StiltmanFTW
I see.

About the issue... pretty uber TP resistance feat.

KingD19
Yeah, but considering they've trained with Xavier for many years, and been around Jean and Emma and Psylocke, three of the most powerful telepaths in the world....it's not much of a stretch.

StiltmanFTW
Wolverine has better resistance than Scott, yet it was him who got knocked on his ass sad

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Wolverine has better resistance than Scott, yet it was him who got knocked on his ass sad
I think that was because he was closer, remeber scot sent him to confront omega, and he was in the processes of making his way to him.

wannabe
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Wolverine has better resistance than Scott, yet it was him who got knocked on his ass sad
When was that definitely established? I mean Scott was Charles first student AND he was/is the man of the two best female telepaths earth has ever seen, the man who managed to imprison the Void within his psyche.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I see.

About the issue... pretty uber TP resistance feat.
Yeah, it was not bad, but let's not forget that even Scott admitted the mental attack wasn't directed at him and Logan.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by wannabe
When was that definitely established? I mean Scott was Charles first student AND he was/is the man of the two best female telepaths earth has ever seen, the man who managed to imprison the Void within his psyche.


Yeah, it was not bad, but let's not forget that even Scott admitted the mental attack wasn't directed at him and Logan.

Haven't seen you in a while, welcome back smile

A sliver of Void with some help from Emma at least on the beginning iirc.

Wolverine has lv9 psionic shields implanted by Xavier that were referenced on panel, psychic scar tissue, superior willpower and his famous berserker rage. And not many can handle browsing through his memories that are absolutely no picknick. He resisted Phoenix and I believe he simply has more feats in that department.

Originally posted by wannabe
Yeah, it was not bad, but let's not forget that even Scott admitted the mental attack wasn't directed at him and Logan.

I know, I know stick out tongue

peejayd
Originally posted by KingD19
A little summary for those who want it. I can post scans if needed.

First issue of Schism shows that nations the world still feel threatened enough by mutants(despite their being roughly 200 left) to maintain, re-comission, or build Sentinels after you guessed it, Quentin Quire, AKA Kid Omega interrupts a speech held by Cyclops and mentally compels the entirety of the world leaders there to divulge their darkest secrets. Secrets like a father beating his children simply because he because he enjoys it, a man shooting another man just to watch him die, and a man cheating on his wife of 35 years while she dies of leukemia. With another twist, it turns out that Carlton Kilgore, head of one of the world's largest weapons manufacturing companies 12 year old son, Kade is responsible for Quire escaping. He kills his father and takes over the company. At the end of the issue we discover this was the first step in a multi-step plan to gain him acceptance into the Hellfire Club. He's now the Black King and the seeds had been sown....SCHISM!!!!

* i wonder what would really trigger the schism... Scott and Logan are like inseparable duo in this premise... although there will be an inevitable brawl between them, i hope it ends well between them and all mutantkind... smile

ExodusCloak
X-Men live Panel happening now...em...Emma's boss!!! Split between Emma and Wolverine.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=33468

ExodusCloak
I think Scott is going to get maimed by Wolverine. Emma will take over then.

StiltmanFTW
Blob is back, yay stick out tongue Cover with Cyclops is awesome.

So the main threat is a giant Sentinel? So predictable after reading Prelude and Schism #1... sad Not to mention it happened before. Sigh.

ExodusCloak
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Blob is back, yay stick out tongue Cover with Cyclops is awesome.

So the main threat is a giant Sentinel? So predictable after reading Prelude and Schism #1... sad Not to mention it happened before. Sigh.

It looks like Wolverine will cut out Cyclops eyeballs from that cover.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
It looks like Wolverine will cut out Cyclops eyeballs from that cover.

True, but I doubt it will actually happen.

ExodusCloak
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
True, but I doubt it will actually happen.

From what they've said, I think Cyclops is taken off the bored. Probably injured proper.

ExodusCloak
Emma leads the X-Men

http://i.newsarama.com/images/uncannyxmen_1_teaser.jpg

Blair Wind
Apparently Iceman actually does something worth mentioning at some point this year? And AoA Iceman shows up? Someone keep me posted, I haven't been keeping tabs on X-men in a while, unfortunately.

Edit: Apparently people think it's for the funeral issue. Most think he's dying. Eh. They haven't used the character for anything worthwhile for ages, I guess it fits.

How is a AoA character in 616?

ExodusCloak
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Apparently Iceman actually does something worth mentioning at some point this year? And AoA Iceman shows up? Someone keep me posted, I haven't been keeping tabs on X-men in a while, unfortunately.

Edit: Apparently people think it's for the funeral issue. Most think he's dying. Eh. They haven't used the character for anything worthwhile for ages, I guess it fits.

How is a AoA character in 616?

Uncanny X-Force are in the AoA Universe at the moment. AoA Iceman will be coming back with them it seems.

I think it's very likely that Iceman is going to die with that said and done.

Blair Wind
So, Jean is dead, Xavier is non-existent, Cyclops is going to be blinded/gone, and Iceman is going to die. Me thinks someone has a vendetta against the first class. Beast and Angel better watch out!

-Pr-
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
From what they've said, I think Cyclops is taken off the bored. Probably injured proper.

facepalm

peejayd
Originally posted by -Pr-
facepalm

* ditto...

ExodusCloak
Originally posted by Blair Wind
So, Jean is dead, Xavier is non-existent, Cyclops is going to be blinded/gone, and Iceman is going to die. Me thinks someone has a vendetta against the first class. Beast and Angel better watch out!

Beast is not with the X-Men anymore...and there's the Dark Angel Saga which will probably end badly for Warren.

See the Fear Itself Uncanny X-Force 1 issue? That scan with Deadpool and the Beast and Nightcrawler teddy bears kind of indicates why they're moving away from the X-Men being "heroes".

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Beast is not with the X-Men anymore...and there's the Dark Angel Saga which will probably end badly for Warren.

thumb up

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
See the Fear Itself Uncanny X-Force 1 issue? That scan with Deadpool and the Beast and Nightcrawler teddy bears kind of indicates why they're moving away from the X-Men being "heroes".

It's just Deadpool being Deadpool, he explained it nicely "we do this so "all ages" guys won't have to" laughing out loud

Pallas
The X-men are getting too convoluted to me. I can't keep track of all this.

Bentley
According to a recent interview the Uncanny rooster post-Schism will feature "the most powerful X-men rooster" evar. You can spot Magneto and Colossusnaut in the teaser.

peejayd
* thoughts on post-Schism?

given: Logan will lead one team... Scott will lead another, although until recent events hinted "there's no Cyclops" and features Emma as the other team's leader...

* what will happen to Scott? or what do you want to happen to Scott at the end of Schism? will Marvel kill him off? will he die? if he does, how do you want it to be?

* what will be the core differences of ideology that wedged Scott and Logan?

* will Logan be a full-time X-men, now that he became a leader? how about his membership as an Avenger?

so many questions...
but as a Cyclops fan, i hope he does not die...

ExodusCloak
He will get his eyes cut out. Just watch.

srankmissingnin
http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/118/1187181/astonishing-x-men-vol-3-20110810114739307-000.jpg

Bouboumaster
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/118/1187181/astonishing-x-men-vol-3-20110810114739307-000.jpg

There's a fine line between being a douche, and being an *******. Cyclops ran, jump over this line, and never looked back.

srankmissingnin
At least he has a personality now, he was a character void for the entirety of the 80s and 90s.

Bouboumaster
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
At least he has a personality now, he was a character void for the entirety of the 80s and 90s.

Man, I wish Wolverine stomp his face. And then Black Panther should do it too, and rightfully so.

What an ass.

peejayd
* what do you like? a boyscout Cyclops? or a bada$$ Cyclops? stick out tongue

-Pr-
facepalm

Talk about misinformed, unresearched opinions... smh.

peejayd
* well, opinions are not to researched, friend... stick out tongue

-Pr-
Originally posted by peejayd
* well, opinions are not to researched, friend... stick out tongue

They can be if you want them to be informed ones stick out tongue

vansonbee
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Beast is not with the X-Men anymore...and there's the Dark Angel Saga which will probably end badly for Warren.

See the Fear Itself Uncanny X-Force 1 issue? That scan with Deadpool and the Beast and Nightcrawler teddy bears kind of indicates why they're moving away from the X-Men being "heroes".
DP just like to sleep w/ cute blue stuffed X-Men toys.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/118/1187181/astonishing-x-men-vol-3-20110810114739307-000.jpg This is a little random for Astonishing X-Men, Storm is reverting back to her old hair doo?

Now were on the topic of Scott personality, its true that he wasn't out spoken back in the days, recently or the past year in Astonishing X-Men, the writer has boost Scott personality, like during Collosus mission to the Ord planet.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by vansonbee
Storm is reverting back to her old hair doo?

Old news, she did that in AXM: Xenogenesis mini.

-Pr-
So is she not married anymore?

RE: Blaxican
Maybe it's just because I don't read X-Men comics and therefore dun really have any wtf is going on, but, am I the only one who thinks it's weird that you people are more shocked over Storm's hair than Cyclops who is married to Emma Frost burying his tongue down Storm's throat? no expression

peejayd
* Scott and Emma are not yet married... Ororo is still married to T'Challa, although recently, they are not living together due to T'Challa's new role as the guardian of Hell's Kitchen in Daredevil's absence...

* i just hope their (Scott and Ororo's) liplock won't ruin their respective relationships... i love Scott being with Emma, and i respect Emma's fidelity even with the advances of that pr!ck Namor...

-Pr-
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Maybe it's just because I don't read X-Men comics and therefore dun really have any wtf is going on, but, am I the only one who thinks it's weird that you people are more shocked over Storm's hair than Cyclops who is married to Emma Frost burying his tongue down Storm's throat? no expression

Marvel has been ruining the Cyclops chracter for a few years now; I'm honestly not surprised by anything anymore.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by -Pr-
Marvel has been ruining the Cyclops chracter for a few years now; I'm honestly not surprised by anything anymore.

roll eyes (sarcastic)

Without mentioning his powers, appearances or back story, try to describe Cyclops prior to Marvel "ruining" the character. I can tell you right now, that is going to be one short list of adjectives. Heroic? Responsible? Naive? Textbook, you've just described 90% of cookie cutter superheroes. Might as well save your time and use the only word that matters when talking about classic Cyclops, "generic." Marvel didn't ruin Cyclops' character, they gave him one.

-Pr-
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
roll eyes (sarcastic)

Without mentioning his powers, appearances or back story, try to describe Cyclops prior to Marvel "ruining" the character. I can tell you right now, that is going to be one short list of adjectives. Heroic? Responsible? Naive? Textbook, you've just described 90% of cookie cutter superheroes. Might as well save your time and use the only word that matters when talking about classic Cyclops, "generic." Marvel didn't ruin Cyclops' character, they gave him one.

In a word, that post is: Bullshit, though I'd expect as much given your attitude towards the character. mmm

Just because he doesn't smoke cigars and go "snikt" every so often, or kill people for the fun of it, apparently he's a character vacuum, even though writers like morrison, simonsen, byrne and claremont gave him plenty of development. Even if you just want to talk about the 80s, the Simonsen run on X-Factor dispels any notion of him not being a character with depth. You not liking it doesn't mean it's not there.

Using simple adjectives wouldn't begin to describe the depth of the character.

I'm sorry that you think he has no development just because he wasn't "cool".

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by -Pr-
In a word, that post is: Bullshit, though I'd expect as much given your attitude towards the character. mmm

Just because he doesn't smoke cigars and go "snikt" every so often, or kill people for the fun of it, apparently he's a character vacuum, even though writers like morrison, simonsen, byrne and claremont gave him plenty of development. Even if you just want to talk about the 80s, the Simonsen run on X-Factor dispels any notion of him not being a character with depth. You not liking it doesn't mean it's not there.

Using simple adjectives wouldn't begin to describe the depth of the character.

I'm sorry that you think he has no development just because he wasn't "cool".

roll eyes (sarcastic)

A sad attempt to devalue the character of Wolverine by mentioning a series inconsequential character traits that don't factor at all into the intricacy of what makes him a fascinating character, doesn't really help you cement your case. Cyclops didn't "smoke cigars, go "snikt" or kill people for the fun of it, blah blah blah blah blah blah" when he was a bland character void and he still doesn't now that he is interesting. Scott Summer's was a stock character, he did not have unique or interesting character traits nor motivations. He was a nothing character that existed primarily so the reader could impose their own personality on the character (That's why you like liked him the way he was FYI). Scott Summers was a boring an uninspired character, him not being "badass" had nothing to do with it, he still isn't a badass now, and is a much better character with MUCH more depth now that Marvel has taken time to flesh out his personality, believes and motivations. Claremont, Simonson and Bryne all created some of the best X-Men stories, and Cyclops was in them, but he wasn't the reason they were good stories and most of them didn't next to nothing to define his character passed the basic archetype. Prior to the last decade the only time he was even hinted at being more then a cliche stock character was in Wrath of Apocalypse. The only author you mentioned that actually did anything with the character was Morrison, and what he did is turn him in to a douche-bag and pave the road for where he is now. Cyclops being "uncool" had nothing to do with why he was a bland character, he was a bland character because he was a book cover with a two sentence synopsis on the back... and no pages in-between.

You don't fool me, you just can't come up with any adjectives other then the ones I mentioned. cool

-Pr-
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
roll eyes (sarcastic)

A sad attempt to devalue the character of Wolverine by mentioning a series inconsequential character traits that don't factor at all into the intricacy of what makes him a fascinating character, doesn't really help you cement your case. Cyclops didn't "smoke cigars, go "snikt" or kill people for the fun of it, blah blah blah blah blah blah" when he was a bland character void and he still doesn't now that he is interesting. Scott Summer's was a stock character, he did not have unique or interesting character traits nor motivations. He was a nothing character that existed primarily so the reader could impose their own personality on the character (That's why you like liked him the way he was FYI). Scott Summers was a boring an uninspired character, him not being "badass" had nothing to do with it, he still isn't a badass now, and is a much better character with MUCH more depth now that Marvel has taken time to flesh out his personality, believes and motivations. Claremont, Simonson and Bryne all created some of the best X-Men stories, and Cyclops was in them, but he wasn't the reason they were good stories and most of them didn't next to nothing to define his character passed the basic archetype. Prior to the last decade the only time he was even hinted at being more then a cliche stock character was in Wrath of Apocalypse. The only author you mentioned that actually did anything with the character was Morrison, and what he did is turn him in to a douche-bag and pave the road for where he is now. Cyclops being "uncool" had nothing to do with why he was a bland character, he was a bland character because he was a book cover with a two sentence synopsis on the back... and no pages in-between.

You don't fool me, you just can't come up with any adjectives other then the ones I mentioned. cool

Or I just don't have the time or the inclination to give you the satisfaction of your baiting having any real effect.

You're wrong, and that's all there is to it, but please, continue if it makes you happy.

Love the hypocrisy on your part btw.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by -Pr-
Or I just don't have the time or the inclination to give you the satisfaction of your baiting having any real effect.

You're wrong, and that's all there is to it, but please, continue if it makes you happy.

Love the hypocrisy on your part btw.

Classic Cyclops is Helo from Battlestar Galactica, the only interesting thing about him, was the women attached to his lips. cool

Bentley
Pft, T'challa will discipline the byatch.

vansonbee
Read #3 and the tie in Hope Generation, the tension they tried to provide in both, fail for me.

srankmissingnin
http://cdn.the-gutters.com/comics/747721747eb901aa770520248ffd27ade69308e1.jpg

StiltmanFTW
laughcry

StyleTime
laughing out loud Hilarious.

RyanAutumns
lmao

SamZED
AAHAHAHA! ROFL

Oslaught1262
so after this there are going back at having two teams of x-men? why is Wolverine leading one of them?

RLAAMJR.
Originally posted by peejayd
from Comicvine:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/40/1863343-xmen_regenesis_super.jpeg


I don't like the art. That's why I don't like Marvel Comics because they're hiring artists whose drawing skills aren't really good. I just don't see a good reason why this has to happen/.

vansonbee
Originally posted by Oslaught1262
so after this there are going back at having two teams of x-men? why is Wolverine leading one of them? I have no idea, it was poor choice for Wolverine as leader, when he is in many Marvel titles/teams, but the concept of 2 X-Men team is okay.

Maybe Scott vs. Emma again like in Dark X-Men would of been fine.

vansonbee
By the way, anyone know who are the current team members in Scott and Logan team?

or maybe your guesses, because they usually release it weekly or something like Heroic ages.

-Pr-
iirc they released art that details who's in cyclops' team. it was emma, danger, colossunaut, magik and someone else whose name i forgot.

srankmissingnin
I don't like the idea of Wolverine leading a team. A five man hit squad like X-Force is one thing, they don't really have any "pig picture" goals other than "kill bad guys", but coordination several factions of X-Men is a completely different ball game. All respect to Emma but Wolverine is the X-Men's second in command but Wolverine isn't the type of leader who plans five moves ahead, he will make the best move he can make on each turn and worry about what that means in the long run later. Give him an order and he will get the job down, tell him what the larger game plan is and he will work with in that game plan to organize successful ops, but drafting that big picture plan of action isn't really something he is capable of. He is an ideal second in command and field leader, but putting him in charge should play out similar to when Saul Tigh had to step up and replace Adama briefly in Battlestar Galactica.

Truthful the entire concept of Schism isn't very well thought out. Even if Wolverine has a justified grip with how Cyclops' is leading, the X-Men are a military running a sovereign nation and charged with the protection of the last civilian population of an endangered species. That never comes up. The X-Men aren't the only mutants on Utopia, they are all there. Even if Wolverine feels he doesn't agree with the decisions Cyclops is making, how does he justify taking half of the X-Men to go off and play superhero and leave Cyclops with a half strength team to guard the same number of civies?

peejayd
* schism!!!

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/8860/jameshowlett28earth6162.png

-Pr-
what's up with their faces?

peejayd
Schism

Cyclops, accompanied by Wolverine, delivers a speech at the United Nations where he reveals that he is aware of each country having a supply of sentinels. He asks the world leaders dismantle the sentinels in their nations to better improve relations with the mutant race. Just then, Quentin Quire arrives to unleash a telepathic attack. Cyclops and Wolverine are left unaffected due to their psychic defenses, but everyone else in the room begins to spout out embarrassing secrets about themselves on national television. After this, Sentinels are unleashed with orders track down a male mutant. Fitting this description, Cyclops and Wolverine are attacked, but are able to easily defeat the robots. Quentin addresses the world on television, relaying his ideology of mutant liberation against humanity. Later, the nations of the world begin to unleash their sentinels for fear of any more mutant terrorist attacks.

Cyclops makes the call to place all mutants on high alert, with Storm stating that they shouldn't cause panic. Cyclops stays pragmatic, stating that they must be cautious with so many people taking up arms against mutants. Wolverine becomes wary when Cyclops allows Idie to watch the newscast of the sentinels, but Cyclops feels that is is important for her to understand that the world fears and hates her for being a mutant. Later, Quire arrives on Utopia seeking asylum. An enraged Wolverine demands that they hand Quentin over to Steve Rogers. Cyclops insists that they should deal with Quire themselves, further angering Wolverine. Meanwhile, Kade Kilgore, a psychotic child prodigy and billionaire, has been named the new "Black King" of the Hellfire Club. It turns out he is responsible for Quentin Quire's attack on the UN, and he plans to wipe out the mutant race.

At the unveiling of a new mutant museum in San Francisco, Cyclops has sent his "A-team" consisting of Emma Frost, Magneto, Namor, Colossus, and Iceman to improve the public appearance of the X-Men and the mutant race in general. Cyclops watches from his command at Utopia, and Wolverine watches from a bar. Kade and his Hellfire team attack the museum, successfully incapacitating the entire team of X-Men with their superior knowledge and technology. Cyclops and Wolverine both race to the museum, with Idie managing to make radio contact with them to reveal that she has remained unnoticed and that the Hellfire terrorists have a bomb. Wolverine urges for Cyclops to tell Idie to escape, and that he can make it to the museum. Cyclops realizes neither he nor Wolverine will get there in time, and tells Idie do what she feels she must. Idie manages to take down the Hellfire soldiers and save the civilians before the bomb goes off. Cyclops and Wolverine arrive just in time to help Idie and the civilians to safety as the bomb explodes.

Wolverine displays his anger to Cyclops for allowing Idie to take matters into her own hands, but Cyclops stands by his decision as Idie saved many civilians. They both soon realize, however, that the bomb the Hellfire Club left was no ordinary bomb, but actually a sentinel.

-Pr-
Eh.

vansonbee
Originally posted by -Pr-
what's up with their faces? You haven't read it? It should be out somewhere online Schism#3 (what posted)

There also a tie in from Generation Hope #10 + something (better art)

-Pr-
Originally posted by vansonbee
You haven't read it? It should be out somewhere online Schism#3 (what posted)

There also a tie in from Generation Hope #10 + something (better art)

I haven't read it, no.

vansonbee
Read#4

Kind of stupid, that the last straw that broke their backs were probably about Jean.

Where Armor anyways? She could of grown to a size bigger than the sentinel and easily overpower it.

Plus I don't think Hope would of yield to Wolverine request, she a damn fighter, from what we know of her anyways.

Bentley
Wow, Summers is right no expression

-Pr-
?

Bentley
I supposed that since Logan and Scott were going to be separated by some ideological nonsense Logan would be blalantly right and Summers would be implicitly wrong. Wolverine is acting as if the entire X-men history never happened.

-Pr-
Originally posted by Bentley
I supposed that since Logan and Scott were going to be separated by some ideological nonsense Logan would be blalantly right and Summers would be implicitly wrong. Wolverine is acting as if the entire X-men history never happened.

oh laughing out loud

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by Bentley
I supposed that since Logan and Scott were going to be separated by some ideological nonsense Logan would be blalantly right and Summers would be implicitly wrong. Wolverine is acting as if the entire X-men history never happened.
no he not, your completely missing his entire point. It not that x-men as child fight villains, it that scott wanted them to remain with him on a succide mission to buy time till the real x-men showed up. The reason Logan is having such a hard time with this, has directly to do with his solo run.

Bentley
Its entirely right when Captain America leads some civilians to stall super villains when the Avengers aren't there, but the Mutant civies in the other hand, shouldn't fight their own fights.

Mutants are portrayed a lot like jews back in WWII.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by Bentley
Its entirely right when Captain America leads some civilians to stall super villains when the Avengers aren't there, but the Mutant civies in the other hand, shouldn't fight their own fights.

Mutants are portrayed a lot like jews back in WWII.

The X-Men could easily fall back to Graymalkin Industries, their super head quarters on the main land, while they wait for reinforcements. Instead Cyclops wants to use a group of untrained 14 year olds as canon fodder to buy time for the real X-Men to save Utopia. Wolverine doesn't think Utopia is worth the lives of the children Cyclops wants to sacrifice to protect it. Logan told Scott he would stay and fight to death at his side, but that the kids need to be order off the island. It's not that Wolverine doesn't believe there is a potential situation where those kids might have to fight to the death, it's that this is not that situation.

Cyclops, the man Xaiver taught to be a soldier. Wolverine, the soldier Xaiver taught to be a man. cool

ExodusCloak
http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1317226426.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-igYtJhcMoMg/Th8JSCBU-NI/AAAAAAAAD6Q/qQ2t97b32L8/s1600/Jean+Grey+killed+by+Xorn.jpg

LOL Jgggg

srankmissingnin
http://www.tumblr.com/photo/1280/10770860598/2/tumblr_ls8tksC4gm1qbn6jw

Some people on the net have been complaining about the name of the school... but I'm not sure what the problem is. Schools are named after important dead people, and what other mutant played as large a role in mutant rights as Jean Grey?

-Pr-
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1317226426.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-igYtJhcMoMg/Th8JSCBU-NI/AAAAAAAAD6Q/qQ2t97b32L8/s1600/Jean+Grey+killed+by+Xorn.jpg

LOL Jgggg

If only she'd stay dead, I might agree with the naming.

peejayd
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Cyclops, the man Xaiver taught to be a soldier. Wolverine, the soldier Xaiver taught to be a man. cool

* nice assessment... thumb up

Bentley
@Srank: I understand that Logan questions the timing of the choice Cyclops makes, as far as I can understand, that's the most controversial thing about this arc. I don't really see any ideological difference between both sides that actually makes sense.

peejayd
Originally posted by Bentley
@Srank: I understand that Logan questions the timing of the choice Cyclops makes, as far as I can understand, that's the most controversial thing about this arc. I don't really see any ideological difference between both sides that actually makes sense.

* ditto, Scott already unified the ideological differences between Xavier and Magneto... Scott managed to create a safe haven for all mutants in Utopia (Magneto's), and he also managed to still somehow create peaceful talks between humans and mutants (Xavier's)... the problem is, where would Logan's ideology stand, to create a justifiable schism between the X-men? because if this is about Jean Grey, it absolutely sucks...

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by peejayd
* ditto, Scott already unified the ideological differences between Xavier and Magneto... Scott managed to create a safe haven for all mutants in Utopia (Magneto's), and he also managed to still somehow create peaceful talks between humans and mutants (Xavier's)... the problem is, where would Logan's ideology stand, to create a justifiable schism between the X-men? because if this is about Jean Grey, it absolutely sucks...
It not about Jean, it going to be about how they view the children. Thats were the divide is occuring.

-Pr-
Originally posted by Bentley
@Srank: I understand that Logan questions the timing of the choice Cyclops makes, as far as I can understand, that's the most controversial thing about this arc. I don't really see any ideological difference between both sides that actually makes sense.

That's because it doesn't.

peejayd
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
It not about Jean, it going to be about how they view the children. Thats were the divide is occuring.

* so Logan's team is the one who "loves" children, while Scott's don't? it does not create a great ideological difference as Xavier's and Magneto's... what's the purpose of having a separate squad of X-men? the concept of Schism is good, but they will fail if the reason is not good enough...

Dum Dum Dugan
Originally posted by peejayd
* so Logan's team is the one who "loves" children, while Scott's don't? it does not create a great ideological difference as Xavier's and Magneto's... what's the purpose of having a separate squad of X-men? the concept of Schism is good, but they will fail if the reason is not good enough...
I dident say it was, I said it not about jean.



It most likely going to be ideological difference between how they see the x-men as primarily in re-guard to the children. Wolverine I believe will (symbolize a more Proffessor X belief) that it a school vs Scott believe that there a singular nation against all else (magneto). That the children are soldiers, as are any other x-men.

The second major difference will be in reguard to how they deal with problems. Scott believes all mutants are responsable for paving the way for the next generations. While Wolverine believes select few should do what needs to be done for the betterment of the rest.

Now I am not saying these are perfect reasons, nor are each character side is going to be as simplistic as I described, that is however what I belief in a nut shall will be the difference between the two ideology.

Bentley
That's how I undertood it at first, but to me it just seems that Logan's side would sound too paternalistic and naive nor it to be just that. Scott is right, as long as being a mutant means something, the civies need to step up their game and become responsible for the future. Then, maybe much later, when the mutants are not threatened by your apocalypse-of-the-week attack, they could be protected and help future generations in a peaceful manner.

Again, Logan's side sounds silly considering there are about 200 mutants ermm

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