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No lasso for Wondy (classic version).

Thor is PISSED but fighting smart (he is out for blood).

Wonder Woman solos.

Thor.

While Thor should be the strongest, they are all in the same league, and the only chance he has to overcome the numbers disadvantage is to take out WW or PG quickly.

I say he manages to do it 5/10. 2/10 if WW had been allowed to use her lasso

Originally posted by Cogito
While Thor should be the strongest, they are all in the same league, and the only chance he has to overcome the numbers disadvantage is to take out WW or PG quickly.

I say he manages to do it 5/10. 2/10 if WW had been allowed to use her lasso

She still has her tiara.

Things cut through more then just a magically vulnerable Superman.

Her tiara is negated by Mjolnir, I'd say.

If Thor is out for blood as well as fighting smart as per the OP suggested, than Karen is probably going to be dismissed early on, and it will be Diana one on one with Thor who will ultimately win.

Karen's not easily dismissed, and the two'll fight well as a team.

Thor might get a few wins but the two should get a nice majority.

If Thor is out for Blood, then he gives these two the same beating he gave Maxam and Drax...

Thor 10/10...

Split imo.

sounds about right.

Originally posted by Cogito
While Thor should be the strongest, they are all in the same league,

And they are much faster. Thor should be able to beat PG head to head but would have trouble with WW even if he did win.

But 2 on 1? Thor gets his ass handed to him.

Thor, I feel like he would fight and win but it would be really hard for him and if he was in dire need he could just BFR 1 or both of them. He could also throw down enough lighting to put down PG and WW would just be there to watch since she would have to block the attack to avoid being fried herself.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Thor, I feel like he would fight and win but it would be really hard for him and if he was in dire need he could just BFR 1 or both of them. He could also throw down enough lighting to put down PG and WW would just be there to watch since she would have to block the attack to avoid being fried herself.

Good post.

Team dominates.

Wonder woman causes power girl to lose. So thor 10/10

Power girl takes this easily herself
Thor is getting speed blitz then entire fight imo

Originally posted by SasuOna
Power girl takes this easily herself
Thor is getting speed blitz then entire fight imo

To quote Thor from Blood and Thunder:

"Back FLEAS!!!!!" (Fires an omnidirectional blast from Mjolnir at Surfer and Warlock)

Thor wins...

Lol @ PG soloing.

LOL at Thor getting the chance to do anything that could hurt PG.
Its established that all krytonians know speed tricks as well taught by the Flash.
So how is this anything but a stomp for the team.

Thor can't keep up with them its just that simple

Originally posted by SasuOna
Power girl takes this easily herself
Thor is getting speed blitz then entire fight imo
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Thor brings the battle to an 80s porn star movie set and gets it on with the dykes.

Search your feelings ya'll know this to be true. biscuits

Wally or Barry or Jay teaching them "tricks" doesn't mean much of anything nor does it push their speed anywhere close to Flash levels, and Karen doesn't have hardly much in the way of exotic speed use aside from blitzing.

A bloodlusted Thor fighting smart begins omniblasting, storm summoning, creating vortexs, BFRs, and otherwise dismantles PG about as bad as Black Adam does if not worse. Arguing for the team is one thing.

Acting like PG is going to solo is something entirely different - and hilarious.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Thor, I feel like he would fight and win but it would be really hard for him and if he was in dire need he could just BFR 1 or both of them. He could also throw down enough lighting to put down PG and WW would just be there to watch since she would have to block the attack to avoid being fried herself.

She could get between PG and the lightning. Play defense for both of them while PG blazes away with heat vision.

Power Girl can always use the time proven "Flash ****" tactics.

Originally posted by SasuOna
LOL at Thor getting the chance to do anything that could hurt PG.
Its established that all krytonians know speed tricks as well taught by the Flash.
So how is this anything but a stomp for the team.

Thor can't keep up with them its just that simple

I know you hate KMC ofr creating CIS.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Wally or Barry or Jay teaching them "tricks" doesn't mean much of anything nor does it push their speed anywhere close to Flash levels, and Karen doesn't have hardly much in the way of exotic speed use aside from blitzing.

A bloodlusted Thor fighting smart begins omniblasting, storm summoning, creating vortexs, BFRs, and otherwise dismantles PG about as bad as Black Adam does if not worse. Arguing for the team is one thing.

Acting like PG is going to solo is something entirely different - and hilarious.

Some speed tricks involve vibrating your molecules at FTL speeds, becoming invisible, and becoming intangible. Now imagine if Karen is bloodlusted

Karen is most definitely faster then Thor and that's all the advantage she would need before she just pushes Thor's brain out of his head.

Thor needs time to do any of the things your recommending in this scenario which he won't be getting because hes going to be the one getting blitz anyway.
You mentioning Black Adam is a hilarious non factor Thor isn't as fast as him even with Mjolnir

Originally posted by SasuOna
Some speed tricks involve vibrating your molecules at FTL speeds, becoming invisible, and becoming intangible. Now imagine if Karen is bloodlusted

Karen is most definitely faster then Thor and that's all the advantage she would need before she just pushes Thor's brain out of his head.

Thor needs time to do any of the things your recommending in this scenario which he won't be getting because hes going to be the one getting blitz anyway.
You mentioning Black Adam is a hilarious non factor Thor isn't as fast as him even with Mjolnir

Lol? Karen's going to do all that under normal circumstances? Yeah, right. I've read virtually every significant appearance of Power Girl, either on her own or with the JSA, so maybe you can cite some specific examples of PG using her speed in such manners outside of a typical blitz. And yeah, she's not bloodlusted in this thread.

Thor is though.

I mention Black Adam because he's put down Karen with ease when he was so inclined, and that was without speed hardly being an issue. Wonder Woman actually has impressive defenses due to her skill and bracers; Karen does not. And a pissed off bloodlusted Thor packs > power than a Black Adam who doesn't even want to kill Karen normally.

By all means post some feats or cite specific examples of Karen fighting like how you say she will be under normal circumstances. Or better yet, make a Power Girl vs. Thor thread and see how that turns out for ya.

As far as I know, Karen hasn't done anything Flash-like. Supergirl went invisible in front of Wonder Girl (only Ares powered at the time) in Outsiders IIRC, but Kara isn't in this thread.

Thor wins this like 7/10. He's beaten bigger threats in this state than this two. Fighting intelligently? I'd most likely give him the majority with that stip alone. They can't hope to match his raw power and so on. There best bet would be two perform hit and run tactics -heavily relying on their speed- but the two usually go head on against an enemy.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor wins this like 7/10. He's beaten bigger threats in this state than this two.

WW has taken on as big or bigger threats than Thor in the past too (She does usually have use of her lasso though)

Most likely, but Thor's the one cutting loose here. I'm not really sure how they'd win tbh without really relying on speed. Unfortunately that didn't work to well for Surfer and they rarely do that contrary to popular believe.

Flying in head first trying to go power for power will resort in an ass kicking. He has the noticeable edge in that category and versatility. Toss in Beta Ray Bill, and I'd probably still give Thor the nod.

Originally posted by carver9
No lasso for Wondy (classic version).

Thor is PISSED but fighting smart (he is out for blood).

Do the women get afforded the same stipulations?

Originally posted by batdude123
Do the women get afforded the same stipulations?

I would like to know the same. If Diana and Karen aren't fighting all out or at least intelligently and they are fighting a top tier herald who is, then of course they are going to lose.

If the team isn't bloodlusted but is at least fighting to the best of their abilities, then they take a majority. They might not individually have as much raw power as Thor but Diana even without the lasso has great defensive capabilities that can protect both her and Karen. They have the speed advantage and enough strength between the two of them that Thor isn't laughing off their attacks. Diana can also use her tiara as a weapon if need be. They have to work together, which if they are fighting intelligently they will. If Karen rushes in and tries to wrestle him, it's lights out.

I believe Wonder Woman against normal Thor gives him a hell of a fight because I think she is tailor made to fight someone like him. Taking away the lasso does obviously affect things. How much tougher is a bloodlusted Thor?

A bloodlusted Thor is scary.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
A bloodlusted Thor is scary.

This. point blank shots from celestials just made him mad. and Mjolnir wasn't any better than a paperweight back then. (due to odin being dead).

Originally posted by SasuOna
LOL at Thor getting the chance to do anything that could hurt PG.
Its established that all krytonians know speed tricks as well taught by the Flash.
So how is this anything but a stomp for the team.

Thor can't keep up with them its just that simple


speedblitz,speedblitz....speedblitz................. old argument thats been overplayed.


PG gets destroyed , but wonderwoman puts up a good fight. Id say WW vs thor alone thor 6/10, i dont see PG ever beating thor. As a team thor has a chance but its 2 on one still.

Originally posted by zeel
speedblitz,speedblitz....speedblitz................. old argument thats been overplayed.


PG gets destroyed , but wonderwoman puts up a good fight. Id say WW vs thor alone thor 6/10, i dont see PG ever beating thor. As a team thor has a chance but its 2 on one still.

It's either speedblitz, or plot device hammer arguments.

The truth is, in an actual well written fight it'd probably come down to a little of both, and neither party would use their nastier tricks...

I mean, really, how many times does a speedster end a fight via blitz, or does Thor end a fight with anti force or something...?

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/rave74/thisone.png

So it's like Sacrifice but the crazy one is much slower with more versatility and Wondy gets mid-herald backup?

Well. Uh, team wins. PG gets hospitalized and Diana breaks her knuckles, but aside from PIS idk how you could say they lose. Diana is at her BEST when calm and strategic.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
How much tougher is a bloodlusted Thor?

Noticeably more powerful I'd wager.

Originally posted by Konton
So it's like Sacrifice but the crazy one is much slower with more versatility and Wondy gets mid-herald backup?

Well. Uh, team wins. PG gets hospitalized and Diana breaks her knuckles, but aside from PIS idk how you could say they lose. Diana is at her BEST when calm and strategic.

Not really.

I think it's a pretty safe bet that the two will fly in an attempt to punch Thor out which would be a guaranteed ass kicking imo. He has an overwhelming power edge. Thor going all out and fighting intelligently? That's scary. I honestly think the battle would be a short one based on the way they approach fights 90% of the time.

Wonder Woman doesn't fight stupid.

LOL at Thor 10/10

Team wins 9/10, only loses the one time because WW gets jealous of PG's cleavage

Sure bud.

Originally posted by Konton
Wonder Woman doesn't fight stupid.

Okay? She charges in to confront her enemy head on most of the time. Not really sure how anyone can deny that.

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Team 9-10/10. Especially with classic WW.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Split imo. This

I can see a bloodlusted Thor taking a solid majority here. Speed is not as big a problem as some are making it out to be. Thor has fought speedsters before, and done well.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Thor/thorlightningspeed.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Thor/thoromnidirectionattack.jpg

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He can handle it.

Originally posted by nimbus006
I can see a bloodlusted Thor taking a solid majority here. Speed is not as big a problem as some are making it out to be. Thor has fought speedsters before, and done well.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Thor/thorlightningspeed.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Thor/thoromnidirectionattack.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Thor_2001_035_20.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Thor_2001_035_32.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/lightspeed0050lh.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/FantasticFourV1339-17.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/FantasticFourV1339-18.jpg

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/90/avengers09814jk8.jpg/

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor_vol2-509-007-07.jpg

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He can handle it.

So...wrong...

durthor

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
So...wrong...

durthor

Yea, if only you weren't biased.

I thought about this for a while, and at first was thinking there's no way he can handle both, but after considering Thor's crazy versatility and as he told Iron Man in their most recent encounter " not holding back", I think he can take a majority, or at least, split. I posted those scans to show he has fought and can handle opponents with comparable speed to WW and PG.

Even without the lasso WW could take some wins.

Pissed but not stupid. Like Blood and Thunder?

That's what the OP states. Bloodlusted but fighting smart.

It depends on what this thread means by 'fighting smart' - CBR mode with no personality? If so, why don't Wonder Woman and Power Girl get the same kind of treatment?

Either way, under normal circumstances, Wonder Woman is a match for Thor.

Well, Carver made it, so...

It's really anyone's guess.

This is basically a Thor that is trying to kill them but isn't fighting retarded to do it (not fighting in a rage).

Originally posted by nimbus006
I can see a bloodlusted Thor taking a solid majority here. Speed is not as big a problem as some are making it out to be. Thor has fought speedsters before, and done well.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Thor/thorlightningspeed.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Thor/thoromnidirectionattack.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Thor_2001_035_20.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Thor_2001_035_32.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/lightspeed0050lh.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/FantasticFourV1339-17.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/FantasticFourV1339-18.jpg

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/90/avengers09814jk8.jpg/

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor_vol2-509-007-07.jpg

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He can handle it.

Fighting someone with super speed is different than fighting someone with super speed that are not using their super speed. I can fight and do well against flash if he doesn't use his speed on me.

And defending against super speed doesn't mean one can defend against ALL super speed, for there are different levels of super speed.
defending against a character moving at bullet speed doesn't mean you can defend against one moving at light speed or even orbital speed.

Lastly, there are two people here fighting Thor who are both faster than him. Thor wouldn't be able to keep up with them on average (he would be hard pressed to just keep up with only one of them). He can't defend against both attacking him from all angles with decent efficiency.

IMO, it is possible for him to win but it will be hard as hell to do it. Depends on the assumption if Carver wants the team to fight stupidly and Thor to only fight smart.
If that's the case, then it is a different ball game indeed.

Originally posted by Konton
Wonder Woman doesn't fight stupid. She does everything stupid.

Originally posted by Mindset
She does everything stupid.

snicker

Since when does "in comics" = stupid? I think this is obvious; basically, blood and thunder thor vs regular comics PG/WW. I would say Thor because he demonstrated the mindset and powers to defeat teams of heralds in that series.

Originally posted by nimbus006
Yea, if only you weren't biased.

I thought about this for a while, and at first was thinking there's no way he can handle both, but after considering Thor's crazy versatility and as he told Iron Man in their most recent encounter " not holding back", I think he can take a majority, or at least, split. I posted those scans to show he has fought and can handle opponents with comparable speed to WW and PG.

Tell you the truth, I'm not. This Team should take Superman too.
WW is as (or more) skilled as Thor, as strong (maybe weaker), faster and she can block his attacks. PG is faster, strength is compareable (let's give Thor the adv), HV, FB, etc. In the end he has two opponents who can match him for some time, even get some wins. He fights smart but they ain't stupid, especially WW is very experienced.
If thor would get the Power Gem it would be something different but so... I wouldn't wank Superman or Thor that much to give them a majority against those two, that would be pointless.

Your scans didn't show anything compareable to their speed. On the contrary. Thor vs Gladiator (with the FF watching), showed the superiority of Glads when it comes to speed. Thor and the FF moved in a time zone that allowed them to move so fast that time almost stood still, yet Gladiator could see them and fight Thor. Logically, if he would fight at that kind of Speed without Thor being in the Time zone, Thor shouldn't even be able to react .