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Based Gods - psycho gundam & leonidas

Magneto
Captain Comet
Kabuto Yakushi

vs

Mutant X - Ambient

Cable
Multiple Man
Warlock

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location:

Alberta Badlands

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/Drumbadlands.jpg/800px-Drumbadlands.jpg

Based Gods prep:

Mutant X prep:



It is my ruling that the cone of silence may not be used by duplicate characters, especially these dupes, as it would make them above the limits for dupes. The original character may still use it.

The cone of silence that i am ref. to is practically the one that cable keep in his utility built, more of a tech weapon which shouldn't be above the meta limit.. Or am i totally misunderstanding the rule there..lol

Originally posted by Ambient
The cone of silence that i am ref. to is practically the one that cable keep in his utility built, more of a tech weapon which shouldn't be above the meta limit.. Or am i totally misunderstanding the rule there..lol

The Warlock/Maddrox/Cable + technopathy amalgam pushes the meta limit by itself.

my recollection is that Cable with the cone of silence alone was > meta.

you mean the shield he had after like 10+ issues of Cable/Deadpool, yes?

Technically the C.O.S can be built after summoning the dupes since Warlock is a technomorph and knows the schematic of the tech, then this could be taken as an amp rather than acquiring a above limit tech that cannot be duplicated therefore should follow the herald limit rule rather than meta..

to further clarify--i thought there was no amping of dupes--period...?

The dupes can be amp but only using they're own powers/reserves least that's how I understood it..

Originally posted by Ambient
Another ? If we somehow able to amalgate say drafted char into one being would they're dupes be considered a single entity therefore is able to amp himself without breaking the rules so long as it does not go above limits? Lol totally giving my plan out in the open or is it.
Originally posted by inimalist
yes, but the amalgam would have to be a meta level character to duplicate itself.

Originally posted by Ambient
Technically the C.O.S can be built after summoning the dupes since Warlock is a technomorph and knows the schematic of the tech, then this could be taken as an amp rather than acquiring a above limit tech that cannot be duplicated therefore should follow the herald limit rule rather than meta..

this would count as an outside amp of your dupe, which is not allowed

Originally posted by leonidas
to further clarify--i thought there was no amping of dupes--period...?

dupes can amp under their own power

thus there is no explicit rule breaking going on, anything beyond that is an issue for you and the judges to consider

--Scan post--

*remember to read manga from right to left*

kakuzu stealing hearts to further his power

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_4.png

the sacrificing of a living being to bind one to the living "impure" world

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/th_et1.png http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/th_et2.png this applies to magneto and cap'n comet

character summoning

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/th_017dj.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/th_018li.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/th_kages.png http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/th_swordman.png

etc. the implanting of talismans is in the first scans

cont



various attacks being prepared by the summons used on the battlefield

chackra rods http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_rod.png C-4 http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/th_nanobomb.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/th_nanobomb2.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/th_nanobom3.jpg hanzou summoning his salamander http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_gas1.png http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_gas2.png

seven swordsman's swords http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/th_swordsman2.png chiyo's puppet summoning http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_tenfingures2.jpg kakuzu separation http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_4.png kimimmaro's transformation http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_kimcurse.jpg gin/kin brothers transformation http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_kin-jin.png susano'o http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_03.png http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_04-05.png

manda II (giant snake)

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_mandaII.jpg

magneto

ability to mask himself well enough to sneak into the inhuman hq, black bolt and lockjaw couldn't even notice him and they both have detection skills, the latter has insane detection skills that even allow him to track things across the cosmos/inter-dimensionally just by trace molecules

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/th_undetectable.jpg

plus this. a weakened magneto still protects a lot of people with this shield

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/th_magshieldstopsexplosion9th.jpg and http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_cosmicspiderman.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/th_magfiresstonesshield7jj.jpg

C-3 explosion

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/th_nanobom4.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/th_nanobomb5.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/th_nanobom6.jpg note* anything that breathes detonates at a cellular level, and the bombs are practically invisible since nobody on our opponent's side senses chackra, i have at least five on my side.

metal opponent suicide mission

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/th_magnetoripslogansadamantiumoutqy9.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/th_xforce2537vp1.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/th_xforce2539bz2.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/th_magnswarlock.jpg

mental manipulation

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/th_RacerX-MIS8-p21.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/th_RacerX-MIS8-p22.jpg

as posted before, the chackra rods and how they subjugate the mind of those they pierce

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_rod.png



oy vey, never putting thumbnails into a single post ever again....

Originally posted by inimalist
this would count as an outside amp of your dupe, which is not allowed

Why is that? Warlocks main ability is techno-morph and this extend to the dupes as well.. So when the original amalgam creats/techno-morphs a personal C.O.S it is using it's own power not an outside source, this goes with the amalgam dupes as well since it can basically do what the original can..

Sorry I don't mean to over rule you but I just want clarification before you pass judgement.. Is all..

I'll address the actual match later, I'm gonna need a comp.. I phone takes too long to type..

Originally posted by Ambient
Why is that? Warlocks main ability is techno-morph and this extend to the dupes as well.. So when the original amalgam creats/techno-morphs a personal C.O.S it is using it's own power not an outside source, this goes with the amalgam dupes as well since it can basically do what the original can..

Sorry I don't mean to over rule you but I just want clarification before you pass judgement.. Is all..

I'll address the actual match later, I'm gonna need a comp.. I phone takes too long to type..

if the cos power is part of warlock, he is too powerful to dupe. if it is external, it cannot be used to amp dupes

actually, in line with this, Gundam/Leo are not permitted to shield or hide their summoned characters with magneto. sorry, I missed that last night.

Let me just put it this way, it's does not exist before duplication however warlock does know off the schematics in the creation of it's technology via dowload from prof.. After summoning dupes this is when the tech is created by warlock and also by the dupes..

Originally posted by inimalist
actually, in line with this, Gundam/Leo are not permitted to shield or hide their summoned characters with magneto. sorry, I missed that last night. not a problem

Originally posted by Ambient
Let me just put it this way, it's does not exist before duplication however warlock does know off the schematics in the creation of it's technology via dowload from prof.. After summoning dupes this is when the tech is created by warlock and also by the dupes..

ok, well, right off the bat, let me try to frame it like this: I was hesitant to let you do this with Cable's "potential", because it violated the spirit of the "no amping dupes" and "only dupe meta" rules. Having thousands of herald level characters was something I tried to ban outright, but because you found a legitimate way around that, I let it slide .

that being said, in this situation, the reason Cable's potential is allowed to be duped is because it is an inherent and intrinsic part of Cable's character that was around long before even the Cable/Deadpool series. The schematics or whatever are not similar to this at all, as they were never intrinsic to Cable or Warlock outside of this match.

Please don't take this as a threat, I'm not saying this to try and penalize you for debating a rule with me, I want you to if you feel the need, but, if you are going to force me into something more consistent about "duping" and "potential", I'm going to make it more in line with my initial rules rather than not. I specifically didn't want armies of herald level characters on a team, and if Warlock's "potential" to create cos devices for all the dupes would cause him to be above the limits, so to would cable's "god cable" potential. Its an issue I'm not going to back off of.

I don't mean this to sound like "be happy I've let you come this far", more "I've already bent this rule pretty far to accommodate your strategy". In my mind, its like you've managed to get a invulnerable character into the tourney, and now you want to make them even more unbeatable. In the most literal sense, you are being allowed to do something I attempted to never allow in the first place.

Ouch!!! Lol's

So what your is saying god cable + cos = >> limit... JK

I gotcha..

okay, now, i just need to be clear what exactly it is we're facing--you have made god cable, given him warlock's technomorphing powers as well as these other amps--cos and dominus--and you've added to that pool's healing ability?

is that right, or did i misread something? i really hope i DID misread something, but technomorphing god cable with pool's healing so he can never burn out is ludicrously beyond the magneto caps--even without the other amps he seems to have gotten in there.....

and all the dupes are..... warlock/jamie/classic cable dupes? or just warlock/jamie?

sorry for the questions, just having a hard time understanding what has been allowed to happen here.

Originally posted by leonidas
okay, now, i just need to be clear what exactly it is we're facing--you have made god cable, given him warlock's technomorphing powers as well as these other amps--cos and dominus--and you've added to that pool's healing ability?

is that right, or did i misread something? i really hope i DID misread something, but technomorphing god cable with pool's healing so he can never burn out is ludicrously beyond the magneto caps--even without the other amps he seems to have gotten in there.....

If deadpool's healing factor would cause Cable to never burn out, I'd agree, however, I don't understand why it would work that way.

afaik, deadpool only allowed cable's body to heal from the TO virus, giving him full access to his TP, not amping his body to have unlimited psy potential... I'll glance through the series, let me know if you find anything different

Originally posted by leonidas
and all the dupes are..... warlock/jamie/classic cable dupes? or just warlock/jamie?/B]

the initial dupes are warlock/jamie/classic cable + technopathy that are allowed to become God Cable (though the how is open for you guys to debate)

Originally posted by inimalist
If deadpool's healing factor would cause Cable to never burn out, I'd agree, however, I don't understand why it would work that way.

afaik, deadpool only allowed cable's body to heal from the TO virus, giving him full access to his TP, not amping his body to have unlimited psy potential... I'll glance through the series, let me know if you find anything different

the hf would keep his body from ever burning out--that was the problem he was having. pool's healing factor ALONE would have him surpassing the killability limit, wouldn't it? i honestly see no way that amalgam can be under the limit. god cable alone is VERY dubious imo. now he's got a bunch of amps and pool's healing??



huh? the dupes are allowed to become god cables? i'm so friggin confused. i thought they were decreed to be only classic cable/warlock? obviously they CAN'T be god cables, right?

Originally posted by leonidas
the hf would keep his body from ever burning out--that was the problem he was having. pool's healing factor ALONE would have him surpassing the killability limit, wouldn't it? i honestly see no way that amalgam can be under the limit. god cable alone is VERY dubious imo. now he's got a bunch of amps and pool's healing??

pool's healing was allowed with Mimic, and I don't feel it is instantaneous enough to consider him "non-KO-able". The healing alone is not above the killability limit.

Cable burning out was a major part of me allowing him, so there is that. However, and I know I'm probably in a significant minority around here because of this, but I don't see "God Cable" as really being that powerful... God cable + CoS (an amp to tk that is less powerful that his own tk) + technopathy (maybe useful, but not a huge power amp) + Warlock and Madrox (both situated well in the meta tier in terms of KMC rankings) is, imho, no more powerful or versatile than is Doom or comet (or that necromancer character). The healing factor alone didn't push the limits for me, but in terms of not burning out, sure, I agree.

Deadpool can be summoned but not integrated into the amalgam.

Originally posted by leonidas
huh? the dupes are allowed to become god cables? i'm so friggin confused. i thought they were decreed to be only classic cable/warlock? obviously they CAN'T be god cables, right?

the individual dupes may (as in, it is not a violation of the rules for them to do so) access Warlock's powers to rewrite the TO virus

the loophole Ambient found was that he could dupe classic cable, then have the dupes amp themselves to God Cable (in theory, I'm not saying that is what happens, just that it wouldn't be against the rules), which is actually, and inadvertently, allowed under the rules as I have them... and I don't want to penalize someone for reading the rules and coming up with a creative strategy.

Maybe it is an exploit I need to deal with next round /shrug, however, a major point of the tournament was to try and get new strategies and characters involved (to be fair, there are at least 2 such issues I'm watching your team for).

but it was my impression that dupes couldn't exceed meta levels. is that not correct?

again, to be crystal clear--you are ALLOWING him to create THOUSANDS of god cables?

the way I wrote it was that you could not dupe or summon something that is above meta level. The characters being duped are not above meta, but individually amp themselves (something I decreed specifically was allowed).

The problem is what I mentioned above: what happens when a meta level character with herald potential dupes itself? I decided to go with it in Ambient's case because I didn't want to penalize him for reading the rules carefully. I can't find a place where I maintained that dupes were not allowed to ever exceed the meta limit, just that they could not exceed the tournament limit.

I admit it was an error on my part

honestly, I was thinking more about not letting Magneto put his shields around 1000 madrox dupes, not about someone making 1000 metas into heralds. The worst I thought was some Rogue type play, but I couldn't imagine a Rogue + "dupe power" that was still meta level

its written like:

Originally posted by inimalist
Character summoning and duplication are allowed. Any summoned or duplicated character must be a high meta or below. For example: Drafting Maddrox would be fine because he lacks the ability to create herald level dupes. Drafting a herald level character who duplicates themselves would not be allowed._Even if the herald would create only meta level dupes, this is NOT allowed, as there would be too much ambiguity about what a "meta" level Silver Surfer would be like. If a character has only ever summoned herald level demons, they are not allowed to summon demons, even if we can infer that they_could_summon meta level ones.

Summoned and duplicated characters may receive no power amping whatsoever, this includes shielding.

Originally posted by inimalist
and a clarification: duplicate and summoned characters may amp themselves under their own power. so, your drafted characters wouldn't be able to increase their powers, but they may use their own abilities to buff themselves (ie: if you summon a character with shields, they may shield themselves or your drafted characters)

and I even mentioned my desire to not have herald level armies, but I don't think it is right to penalize a participant because I didn't do so well enough, or, at least I wont penalize yet.

EDIT:

Originally posted by leonidas
again, to be crystal clear--you are ALLOWING him to create THOUSANDS of god cables?

I am allowing the amalgam dupes of Warlock/Cable/Madrox to use Warlock's power in order to rewrite the TO virus

the outcome of such an action is more a matter of your debate/judge opinion.

if everyone is in agreement that this produces thousands of God Cable amalgams, then yes, I feel I am obliged to allow that, because it isn't a violation of any specific rule.

dupes becoming god cable is just a tad more than a simple shield buff
Originally posted by inimalist
Even if the herald would create only meta level dupes, this is NOT allowed, as there would be too much ambiguity about what a "meta" level Silver Surfer would be like. cable is held back by the virus in his system, by removing it and then duplicating him you make herald levelers masquerading as metas that can amp as well.

"Summoned and duplicated characters may receive no power amping whatsoever, this includes shielding."


^ kinda conflicting, as i had to rescind my shielding

Originally posted by psycho gundam
dupes becoming god cable is just a tad more than a simple shield buff

which is why I'm watching this match to see how problematic it becomes

Originally posted by psycho gundam
cable is held back by the virus in his system, by removing it and then duplicating him you make herald levelers masquerading as metas that can amp as well.

from my reading of it, the dupes "rewrite" the virus after duplication

Originally posted by psycho gundam
"Summoned and duplicated characters may receive no power amping whatsoever, this includes shielding."


^ kinda conflicting, as i had to rescind my shielding

I changed that after I realized it would stop you from summoning a character that could adequately defend itself. So, say you summoned Bishop, with that rule, he would be unable to absorb energy, as it would be an amp.

The problem is, I left the amp limit the same for summoned and drafted characters. Ambient even asked me about that specifically, and I answered that the limits were what are stated in the rules.

if you had amalgamated Magneto with your summoned characters, he would be able to shield them.

"Summoned and duplicated characters may receive no power amping whatsoever, this includes shielding."

I changed that after I realized it would stop you from summoning a character that could adequately defend itself. So, say you summoned Bishop, with that rule, he would be unable to absorb energy, as it would be an amp.

The problem is, I left the amp limit the same for summoned and drafted characters. Ambient even asked me about that specifically, and I answered that the limits were what are stated in the rules.

if you had amalgamated Magneto with your summoned characters, he would be able to shield them they would be able to use magneto's shields on themselves.

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Originally posted by psycho gundam
"Summoned and duplicated characters may receive no power amping whatsoever, this includes shielding."

this is, I think, 2-3 posts under the rules on page 6 of the tournament thread:

Originally posted by inimalist
and a clarification: duplicate and summoned characters may amp themselves under their own power. so, your drafted characters wouldn't be able to increase their powers, but they may use their own abilities to buff themselves (ie: if you summon a character with shields, they may shield themselves or your drafted characters)

this was there also:

"This is to prevent the obvious loop hole of creating 1000 meta level dupes, then amping them to the amp limit." magneto being that limit

Originally posted by psycho gundam
this was there also:

"This is to prevent the obvious loop hole of creating 1000 meta level dupes, then amping them to the amp limit."

indeed

I didn't think it through well enough to prevent that

no convenor can EVER get everything. which is PRECISELY why the no loophole clause exists. we'll debate the match, but, while it is clever enough loopholing, it is STILL the very definition of loopholing and frankly, i think it's bs that it is being allowed to occur for 2 reasons--1--we have to face a 1000 god cables or try and somehow prove he can't make them (which makes the match boil down to whether we can disprove his prep, never a great thing for a match to hinge on), and, 2, it penalizes AMBIENT as well. if he DOES win, and he DOES get his 1000 god cables banned later on, his entire strategy and reasons for drafting his guys in the first place, which you ok'd, will now be rendered null and void.

meh, you're the boss and i'm done arguing my point but this will very likely only end ugly.

The results of this fight will be as follows:

THE LOSING PARTICIPANTS WILL STILL MOVE TO THE LOSER'S BRACKET, BUT WILL NOT BE AWARDED A LOSS TOWARD THEIR TWO LOSS ELIMINATION COUNT. BRACKETS WILL BE REDRAWN TO ACCOMMODATE THIS WHEN NEED ARISES.

i say the root of the problem is god cable, i don't believe he is legal for this tournament as he breaks the power limit.

we can delve into why this is true later

Originally posted by inimalist
Character summoning and duplication are allowed. Any summoned or duplicated character must be a high meta or below.

Originally posted by Ambient
So to clarify it is against the rule to amp our drafted characters over stablish limit same as dupes/clones? (as in magneto's normal level (low-mid herald which gawd cable isn't))



and the dagger....

Originally posted by inimalist
yes, this is laid out plainly in the official rules

edit

Originally posted by leonidas
the hf would keep his body from ever burning out--that was the problem he was having. pool's healing factor ALONE would have him surpassing the killability limit, wouldn't it? i honestly see no way that amalgam can be under the limit. god cable alone is VERY dubious imo. now he's got a bunch of amps and pool's healing?
Not exactly, in his short run he actually posses Deadpool's healing and yet he was still burning out.. I had Deadpool joined the fray to complete the package..
Originally posted by psycho gundam
i say the root of the problem is god cable, i don't believe he is legal for this tournament as he breaks the power limit.

we can delve into why this is true later
Originally posted by inimalist
draft: pre-cable/deadpool cable

potential: God Cable

basically, the draft is the lower powered, with max potential, which is what we can discuss as being either above or below caps

If you had thought he was above cap you should da commented on the above post in the first place, but nobody said anything..
Originally posted by psycho gundam
this was there also:

"This is to prevent the obvious loop hole of creating 1000 meta level dupes, then amping them to the amp limit."
This i've missed.. Was this in the updated rule.. Subconscious selective reading i quess.. lol

Anyhow im game with not amping the dupes to God Cable and limit the dupes so long as it's ruled i can use the C.O.S or i pick diff. Characters.. Makes no diff..

Originally posted by Ambient
If you had thought he was above cap you should da commented on the above post in the first place, but nobody said anything..

This i've missed.. Was this in the updated rule.. Subconscious selective reading i quess.. lol

Anyhow im game with not amping the dupes to God Cable and limit the dupes so long as it's ruled i can use the C.O.S or i pick diff. Characters.. Makes no diff..

in our defense, a pm WAS sent to inimal, stating that we both thought god cable>cap limit, but inimal ruled he wasn't.

i doubt you'd be able to use the cos on the dupes as that would be a clear breach in rules. if you redrafted guys i suppose that would be fair but it would slow things down, but like i said, i think you'll be getting screwed if you don't since you drafted them under false pretenses. we can have the match THEN you can talk to inimal if you want, or you can talk it out with him and determine what you both find fair. but seriously--trying to get a 1000 god cables into a magneto level tourney?

my thoughts are an optional single character redraft after the first round for all participants. It doesn't feel right to only have one person doing this.

I took away the penalty for losing this match for that reason.

Originally posted by leonidas
in our defense, a pm WAS sent to inimal, stating that we both thought god cable>cap limit, but inimal ruled he wasn't.

i doubt you'd be able to use the cos on the dupes as that would be a clear breach in rules. if you redrafted guys i suppose that would be fair but it would slow things down, but like i said, i think you'll be getting screwed if you don't since you drafted them under false pretenses. we can have the match THEN you can talk to inimal if you want, or you can talk it out with him and determine what you both find fair. but seriously--trying to get a 1000 god cables into a magneto level tourney?
No! there is a way of doing it with out breaking any rules.. this way the amalgam dupes wouldn't even hit caps, meaning no god cable. This way there is no delay to the tourney and can proceed normally, let's see what Inimalist thinks..

I thought I was clear this was my plan all along when I contacted Inimalist about some question that I have, so no I've never made any false pretense regarding what my plan all along..

Really! I mean you've got Ambrose chase, Machester black, capt. Comet. Cable
pretty much in that league.. Anyhow let's not go There we've pass That point..

Originally posted by inimalist
my thoughts are an optional single character redraft after the first round for all participants. It doesn't feel right to only have one person doing this.

I took away the penalty for losing this match for that reason. but what about this match?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
but what about this match?

everyone is determined not to participate even though there is no consequence for a loss?

anything I allow you guys to do here has to be applied equally across participants. I could give you guys a redraft now and them after their match, but that gives Charlotte and smurph/jake a pretty distinct advantage/isnt really that fair to them that you guys get to redraft prior to having any fights.

I suppose its mainly up to you guys and Ambient. if you want to put the match on hold for a couple days, I'll give you both the option of a redraft and a bit longer for you to make an argument against God-Cable being allowed. If you want to have the match as is, thats cool too, with no penalty for a loss for either team.

If you really want me to force the decision, I'll flip a coin, both of you will move on, one in the losers bracket, one in the winners, and you can redraft after the other match finishes, obviously with no loss given to either team

holy moly, third page already.

when the debate starts, this should be good... mmm

Originally posted by inimalist
I suppose its mainly up to you guys and Ambient. if you want to put the match on hold for a couple days, I'll give you both the option of a redraft and a bit longer for you to make an argument against God-Cable being allowed. If you want to have the match as is, thats cool too, with no penalty for a loss for either.
Well I'm game for revising my prep and removed the god cable dupes...

Originally posted by Ambient
No! there is a way of doing it with out breaking any rules.. this way the amalgam dupes wouldn't even hit caps, meaning no god cable. This way there is no delay to the tourney and can proceed normally, let's see what Inimalist thinks..

I thought I was clear this was my plan all along when I contacted Inimalist about some question that I have, so no I've never made any false pretense regarding what my plan all along..

Really! I mean you've got Ambrose chase, Machester black, capt. Comet. Cable
pretty much in that league.. Anyhow let's not go There we've pass That point..

er, NO! what....?

and i never said YOU were being sly--i said your plan was ok'd by inimal--for it to now be disallowed means you drafted your guys under false pretense--thinking everything is fine then being told it's not. you didn't do anything wrong and i didn't mean to intimate that you had.

chase's powers are enormously.....vague. black is very solid. the version of comet we've chosen is NOT the most powerful one......

but you're right--we're past all that. let's just have the match and end the delays. unless you really want a redraft or..... something?

Erm... Sorry, I read that wrong..

Alright. So do we debate under normal steps or should I revise without god Cable dupes?

Originally posted by Ambient
Erm... Sorry, I read that wrong..

Alright. So do we debate under normal steps or should I revise without god Cable dupes?

frankly, i'm fine either way. i'm not too sure what exactly is happening....

alright, if you are all fine with debating under the normal stips with God Cable and whatever, have at it

1, 2, 3 GO!

no dupes over mid meta at least, simply overlooking that transgression should be fine

Originally posted by Existere
holy moly, third page already.

when the debate starts, this should be good... mmm

Revised

Characters:

Warlock_Technarchy
Multiple_Man
Cable

Prep Stage:

Providence - 20 min. prep

Cable utters the word," bodyslide by two", and Deadpool joins the fray.
Meanwhile Warlock downloads and interface with Professor; the A.I computer that runs Providence. This practically
allowed him privy to the Dominus Objective and Cone of Silence which was then absorb and integrated within Warlock.
Warlock then meld with Cable.
The now Cable/Warlock encase Multiple Man into a suit of armor that allowed both parties simultaneous access to they're innate inborn powers..
The amalgam character will first use Multiple Man's power to duplicate into the thousands and rewrite the techno-organic virus that's plaque's
Cable to recede therefore increasing his psionic powers to godlike version. He will then create the cone of silence via Warlocks techno-morph using
the schematic downloaded from providence and meld/absorb Deadpool.
Simultaneously the duplicate amalgam also creates the cone of silence, a similar way to that of the original.

Everyone shields up; Grav-metric and TK..
Funfacts:

The Dominus Objective grants tecnopathic abilities..

The Cone of Silence is a malleable personal grav-metric force field that simulates tk..

Warlock/Multiple Man/Cable is still within the high limit meta, no where close to herald..

The techo-virus recoding, the creation of the cone of silence and the absorption of Deadpool happened after duplication..

Attack Strat:

Everyone Scans via TP or bio-scan..

Once opponents are located we proceed the attack with long range tp, technopathic and TK via lifting those cliff and chuck it or plain squezz till pop towards the advancing enemys ..

Simple but effective..

First lets start with your prep..


This was a big mistake on your part, here is why..



Against the rule to tampered or give an outside amp to your summon and since your dis-allowed to do this you have lost control of them and by them, I mean mindless zombies..

However it is a big advantage to my team since i will be able to control them via mind tp, adding more parties to my team..

Additionally neither of your teams have any means to protect from technopathic intrusion/attack..

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So more army..

no defense against techno-pathy..

Equals win.. for me..

you'd have to prove that it's an "amp" in any way (no stats or power limits buffed period), and the zombies aren't mindless, just subdued by the technique. inamalist pointed out that shielding them was an issue, that is gone

ok then,i guess let's have at it.

i'll let pg deal with the kabuto stuff, so, moving on....



so, i've a whole bunch of issues with this first bit

1. professor is SENTIENT. as such, i'd question whether it is even legal to have him. in a real sense, it's very much like having another character.

2. regardless of that, some scans showing warlock's ability to interface with tech would help show the scope of this ability.

3. why would having access to the professor grant access to dominus? dominus is CERTAINLY not considered "standard equipment", nor was it originally stored in providence. so..... how would warlock be able to access it at all? as well, it needs to be attached to a massive server in order to work:

On Providence, Cable and Deadpool are sparring, while Cable explains the Dominus Objective again to Deadpool. He tries to make clear that the hard-drive when attached to a big server will be able to funnel all kinds of information to a single person. Deadpool responds with a kick and gives some examples of information that the Dominus Objective can obtain: porn files, diplomatic files and bank accounts. Cable wonders what was so difficult to get about that. Deadpool, in return, wonders what was so hard to explain about that.

so, what's it attached to?

4. much of the same can be said of the cone of silence. also not standard gear.

you basically said warlock interfaces with professor (who may not be legal) and then just...... gets all this stuff?

proof and further explanation would be nice.



okay, here again i have some questions:

1. has warlock ever joined with more than one person before? you say he melds with cable, and i get that, but then you say he makes a suit of armor and jamie clones them all. welllll..... has jamie ever cloned himself wearing armor? maybe, but i'd like to see it all the same. if not, and you're saying that warlock simply amalgamates with cable then the cable/warlock combo amalgamates with jamie, i'd love to see scans of warlock being able to amalgamate with multiple (heh no pun intended) persons. so, prove he can do it FIRST, then i'll respond a little further.



prove you can even GET the schematics for the cos....

The Dominus Objective grants tecnopathic abilities..

nah. it grants access to INFORMATION only. black box (who is the one who wanted it never had true 'technopathic' abilities--he could just find almost any piece of info instantly. he referred to himself as a god, such was his information access. i should know--i used him in a tourney.



if you can get it you mean....



so, how exactly DO you find us anyway? mags willpower and shields+comet's mindshield will make us undetectable both visually and telepathically. xavier himself needed jean's help to penetrate mags' mind:

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2509/tbreakthroughhispsychicdefense.jpg

and in this case, he has comet actively shielding them. you also have our own smaller army to deal with. even if you DO somehow find us, how do you penetrate our shield when even DARK phoenix has failed to do so?

http://imageshack.us/f/371/magtakesphoenixblast7nn.jpg/

we, on the other hand, are a nightmare for you. even though they are amalgamated, cable is still cable. by that i mean he still has a lot of metal throughout his body. that's bad:

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4847/xforce2539fd7.jpg

VERY bad....

you might argue that warlock's form wil help protect him. unfortunately, THAT isn't much solace for you....

http://imageshack.us/f/116/newmutants04019hw0.jpg/

that was a weakened mags easily one-shotting warlock. and while you may say warlock was also weak, mags was also holding back and cared a lot for warlock. and weakened or not, warlock runs on bio-electric energy and of course he has a life force. really, all mag's needs to do is this:

http://imageshack.us/f/41/xmen11215b.jpg/

if he can do that to PHOENIX, your amalgam--which is ALREADY supremely vulnerable to magneto's powers--has no chance.

so, to recap--not sure you can get your hands on all the things you said you could.

magneto has already one-shotted warlock and utterly destroyed cable. we've seen him resist tk attacks from PHOENIX and steal her life force. to attack his mind on its own XAVIER needed to psi link with jean, and now he has comet backing him up. and we've not even touched on comet yet, or kabuto!

you may have a 1000, but mags can decimate each one of them, and you've no proof at all that you can harm us with any of your offensive abilities.

An Amp does not only necessitate an increase in one's physical standings but also an added physical abilities and in these case the mind-linking ability; the ability to send, receive, share thoughts.. Which was added by Capt. Comet to your summons, an illegal move in these case..


Destroying there individuality makes theme unable to think, act for themselves = mindless you could say and being raise back from death equates to a zombie, a mindless zombie..

I'll reply on leo's post a later, using iPhone right now..

mind linking is no more an amp than would be amalgamating a summoned character with another (for instance, deadpool). In terms of the zombies, it seems that this is more mind control than buffing.

the other issue I want to hit before it comes up: "summoned" characters are a classification, not a description. Even if killed and then summoned back to life, a drafted character is still a drafted character, not a summoned character.

Originally posted by Ambient
Attack Strat:

Everyone Scans via TP or bio-scan..

Once opponents are located..... cool, that just means you attack zombies since they are visible. magneto and comet get first blood when they attack cable prime

Originally posted by Ambient
we proceed the attack with long range tp, technopathic and TK via lifting those cliff and chuck it or plain squezz till pop towards the advancing enemys ..

Simple but effective.. meh:

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all your rocks get repelled and the area they come from gets destroyed by a powerful gravity well.



next......

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Originally posted by leonidas
ok then,i guess let's have at it.

i'll let pg deal with the kabuto stuff, so, moving on....



so, i've a whole bunch of issues with this first bit

1. professor is SENTIENT. as such, i'd question whether it is even legal to have him. in a real sense, it's very much like having another character.

2. regardless of that, some scans showing warlock's ability to interface with tech would help show the scope of this ability.

3. why would having access to the professor grant access to dominus? dominus is CERTAINLY not considered "standard equipment", nor was it originally stored in providence. so..... how would warlock be able to access it at all? as well, it needs to be attached to a massive server in order to work:

On Providence, Cable and Deadpool are sparring, while Cable explains the Dominus Objective again to Deadpool. He tries to make clear that the hard-drive when attached to a big server will be able to funnel all kinds of information to a single person. Deadpool responds with a kick and gives some examples of information that the Dominus Objective can obtain: porn files, diplomatic files and bank accounts. Cable wonders what was so difficult to get about that. Deadpool, in return, wonders what was so hard to explain about that.

so, what's it attached to?

4. much of the same can be said of the cone of silence. also not standard gear.

you basically said warlock interfaces with professor (who may not be legal) and then just...... gets all this stuff?

proof and further explanation would be nice.
1.)

You can just think of it as adding/summoning a member during prep.. Perfectly legal..

2.)

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/27/newmutants03page002.jpg
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/7860/newmutants03page003004.jpg

That should sum it up; Interfacing with an A.I and acquiring tech.

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/3909/imagehlh.jpg

His even able to interfaced with biology and access its mutagenic ingram..

3.)

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/4095/cdp232005streetsamuraid.jpg

The Dominus Objective is succesfully harness within Providence which was absorb and integrated within Warlock during prep.

4.)

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/8097/tourney5.jpg

Similar with the Cone of Silence; the schematic of it can be found within Providence and was downloaded during my Prep.

The download of Prof. is within rule and is very much legal..


1.)

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/579/image12uw.jpg

First he melds with Forge..

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/4610/image13ad.jpg

A little later he melds with both Sam and Rahne..

So yeah! Melding with multiple individual is not problematic.


http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/522/page15mg9.jpg/

Yes it does.. As Capt. America first hand exp. it..

http://imageshack.us/f/20/cdp232005streetsamuraidxm4.jpg/

Blackbox did use technopathy as shown on the above scan. He was the one to bring Cable to the infonet, its where they are in the above scan..

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This should pretty much cover the acquisition of my tech..

Prof.
Dominus Objective.
Cone of Silence.

---------------------- All check ------------------

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Your scan does not really show/prove much of the effectiveness of Mag's cloaking as the character involved are not using they're abilities as in BB/Lock Jaw's supposed hightened senses unlike the Amalgam's before they attack..


Amalgam's attack Strat:

Everyone Scans via TP or bio-scan..

Once opponents are located we proceed the attack with long range tp, technopathic and TK via lifting those cliff and chuck it or plain squezz till pop towards the advancing enemys ..

Simple but effective..

There is more than a few ways to detect your team, one is via tp taken from your summons since they have no protection of psi shielding.. And even if in someway the Amalgam's is unable to detect in time and was attack, the gravmetric forcefield amp with Cable's tk should still hold and then they retaliate.. Your team is outnumbered and outgun ++++ Like i said on my previous post, you have no help at all from your summons. Infact they become mine to control and turn the table's on you via;

Originally posted by psycho gundam

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next......

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Detected or not, i still get the upper hand..
Gravmetric shield amp with Tk protects from the initial onslaught..
We outnumber you 1000 ++ to 3 therefore outgun..

FTW..

Originally posted by Ambient
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/undetectable.jpg

Your scan does not really show/prove much of the effectiveness of Mag's cloaking as the character involved are not using they're abilities as in BB/Lock Jaw's supposed hightened senses unlike the Amalgam's before they attack..

lokjaw's senses are UBER, and bb is a major league energy manipulator. if they couldn't detect him with their senses i don't see how you could find us even if comet wasn't help shield. mag's mind powers are uber. of course he's a latent telepath:

http://imageshack.us/f/129/secretwars00513ct8.jpg/

beyond that, he's shown REAL mental power. he can even astral travel:

Originally posted by Moses Morrison
Here's Magneto using his mind to locate Namor (and eventually he finds his consultant and gets him to convince Namor into joining).

http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/3952/magneto4be8.jpg

factor in the other scans of the amount of effort it takes to get through mag's mental shielding THEN add comet's own class A telepathy to that, and there is no way you'll be finding us. even proteus couldn't penetrate his mind:

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/MagnetovsProteus2.jpg

as well, aside from his mental power (augmented by comet), mags can simply JAM your ability and make it even MORE unlikely that you can find us:

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/5716/magelectromagneticjamspsionics.jpg

it would also be pretty easy to locate you--the real you, the god version. once we did, we could always resort to this oldy-but-goody:

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/phoenix_xorn3.jpg

very similar now i think about it, to what black did to superman....

a question: if jamie prime is ko'd, do all the dupes disappear? i'd like to see proof, as i think this has been shown to be the case in an xfactor book. if not, i'd love a scan proving that if jamie prime is ko'd the dupes REMAIN.



detected or not.....?

we can take out large numbers of you in a BIG hurry--pg's scans show we can huge vast aoe strikes, mags can unleash several of these:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/132/excaliburv30903elcarinox5.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/132/excaliburv3090405elcarinkv1.jpg/

we can wipe out your numbers advantage quite quickly. and just because you have numbers really doesn't mean much--might as well be a 1000 people with water guns against a tank when you're trying to penetrate mags's forcefields......

we have uber aoe attacks, you can't find us, you can't get into our minds and your offensive capabilities are utterly negated. we will be able to identify jamie prime easily and without proof to the contrary, if we take him out, we might take out all the dupes at once.

warlock is very vulnerable to mag's powers. cable is EXTREMELY vulnerable and jamie offers nothing save numbers. i also asked for proof jamie could dupe while wearing army and never got it, so i wonder if he could even dupe the warlock-armor he's been given....

in all we have you SEVERELY trumped both offensively and defensively. our plan is utterly simple and straight forward and you still have some things to prove as relates to your own plan.

so, yeah. vote based gods. nwoot

Originally posted by Ambient
Detected or not, i still get the upper hand..
Gravmetric shield amp with Tk protects from the initial onslaught..
We outnumber you 1000 ++ to 3 therefore outgun..

FTW.. not at all, you simply have a numbers advantage. your quantity is at least matched by our quality since our summons never tire and will rejuvenate any damage, and that includes magneto and cap'n comet.

anyway, now tireless magneto stomps the whole lot of them, he can even use them as a "meat" shield to stop your own attacks.

zombie rejuvenation:

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/rejuv-1.jpg

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next....

since i have two of these guys: http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kin-jin.png

they get to do this:

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nagato

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Originally posted by leonidas
so, how exactly DO you find us anyway? mags willpower and shields+comet's mindshield will make us undetectable both visually and telepathically. xavier himself needed jean's help to penetrate mags' mind:

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2509/tbreakthroughhispsychicdefense.jpg

and in this case, he has comet actively shielding them. you also have our own smaller army to deal with. even if you DO somehow find us, how do you penetrate our shield when even DARK phoenix has failed to do so?

http://imageshack.us/f/371/magtakesphoenixblast7nn.jpg/

we, on the other hand, are a nightmare for you. even though they are amalgamated, cable is still cable. by that i mean he still has a lot of metal throughout his body. that's bad:

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4847/xforce2539fd7.jpg

VERY bad....

you might argue that warlock's form wil help protect him. unfortunately, THAT isn't much solace for you....

http://imageshack.us/f/116/newmutants04019hw0.jpg/

that was a weakened mags easily one-shotting warlock. and while you may say warlock was also weak, mags was also holding back and cared a lot for warlock. and weakened or not, warlock runs on bio-electric energy and of course he has a life force. really, all mag's needs to do is this:

http://imageshack.us/f/41/xmen11215b.jpg/

if he can do that to PHOENIX, your amalgam--which is ALREADY supremely vulnerable to magneto's powers--has no chance.

so, to recap--not sure you can get your hands on all the things you said you could.

magneto has already one-shotted warlock and utterly destroyed cable. we've seen him resist tk attacks from PHOENIX and steal her life force. to attack his mind on its own XAVIER needed to psi link with jean, and now he has comet backing him up. and we've not even touched on comet yet, or kabuto!

you may have a 1000, but mags can decimate each one of them, and you've no proof at all that you can harm us with any of your offensive abilities.
Well there is a few ways your chars. could be found;

1. Bio scan from Warlock - I'm still not buying that Mags cloaking could hide him from it.. The scan doesn't really prove much as both BB's and Lock Jaw's hightend senses are not automatic in nature, unlike say Cosmic Awareness for example.. They missed Mags because they where not using they're vaunted senses to look for him, I'm beating that the outcome would be far differ if they were..

2. TP scan through the summons using the original amalgam long range TP via God Cable version psi level - Since your summons are not shielded telepathically a long range tp scan would make us capable of reading them therefore your estimated location..

And I'll mention it again, your summons are not telepathically protected therefore can be mind control by God Cable's power (Original Amalgam) they become mine to command and unleashed.

God Cable's tp level + 1000 normal cable level tp >>>>> Proof X and Jean, not to mention all 1001 of my Characters possess technopathic ability that none of your characters can block..

Individually Warlock, Cable and Multipleman would fall under the power of Mags or Capt. Comet but pooled they are protected; Warlocks control over his molecular structure and Cable TK should protect them from your attack, adding Grav-metric shield wouldn't even get a scratch.. Also if you notice, Warlock wasn't even seriously harm in that scan.. This is only one dupes we have 999 + the summon I've acquired from your team..

Again your team are outnumbered and outgunned.
Originally posted by psycho gundam

Impressive showings of they're individual power but unfortunately for you its your characters that's going to be the receiving end of that attack..
Originally posted by leonidas
ok, so the programs are in providence. how did YOU acquire them during prep?

nah. again. cable placed BOTH in the infonet AFTER black box dl'd info and made his to virus go whacky. he was able to link to black box THROUGH dominus and bring BOTH to the infonet:

well, i accept the programs are AVAILABLE, but you've done nothing to explain how you interface at such a huge distance, there is no proof the dominus adds extra or (more importantly) remote technopathy, and you never answered what it is connected to--remember it needs TO BE CONNECTED TO A MASSIVE SERVER to function. how do you do that?
Providence was my Prep base which means i don't have to travel to Alberta ..

Warlock, a techno-morph interfaced and absorbed D.O and can also act as a massive server..

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/2702/cdp222005streetsamuraid.jpg
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/2702/cdp222005streetsamuraid.jpg

Right there Blackbox brought Cable to the infonet and should also prove that Dominus Objective = Technopathic powers

Originally posted by leonidas
factor in the other scans of the amount of effort it takes to get through mag's mental shielding THEN add comet's own class A telepathy to that, and there is no way you'll be finding us. even proteus couldn't penetrate his mind:

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/MagnetovsProteus2.jpg

as well, aside from his mental power (augmented by comet), mags can simply JAM your ability and make it even MORE unlikely that you can find us:

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/5716/magelectromagneticjamspsionics.jpg

it would also be pretty easy to locate you--the real you, the god version. once we did, we could always resort to this oldy-but-goody:

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/phoenix_xorn3.jpg

a question: if jamie prime is ko'd, do all the dupes disappear? i'd like to see proof, as i think this has been shown to be the case in an xfactor book. if not, i'd love a scan proving that if jamie prime is ko'd the dupes REMAIN.
TP is not my only way of locating you, like i've covered above there's more than a few ways to finding you, for ex. like through your summons or bio-scan..

First off the jam your ability was done with Fabian Cortez amping Mags ability fortunately his not in the draft making this a none valid scan..

The rest well really its not going to go that way; The Technarchy race does not follow normal organic biology and those attack wouldn't even go through as it has to pass Grav-metric back by Tk shielding which is applied by all of my amalgam dupes..

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/403/img009tr3.jpg/

Grav-metric shielding withstanding nuclear explosion..

Answer to the question:

Yes even if the original is unconscious they're dupes would still exist and will only cease to exist if they're either killed or re-absorbed.
Originally posted by leonidas
detected or not.....?

we can take out large numbers of you in a BIG hurry--pg's scans show we can huge vast aoe strikes, mags can unleash several of these:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/132/excaliburv30903elcarinox5.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/132/excaliburv3090405elcarinkv1.jpg/

we can wipe out your numbers advantage quite quickly. and just because you have numbers really doesn't mean much--might as well be a 1000 people with water guns against a tank when you're trying to penetrate mags's forcefields......

we have uber aoe attacks, you can't find us, you can't get into our minds and your offensive capabilities are utterly negated. we will be able to identify jamie prime easily and without proof to the contrary, if we take him out, we might take out all the dupes at once.

warlock is very vulnerable to mag's powers. cable is EXTREMELY vulnerable and jamie offers nothing save numbers. i also asked for proof jamie could dupe while wearing army and never got it, so i wonder if he could even dupe the warlock-armor he's been given....

in all we have you SEVERELY trumped both offensively and defensively. our plan is utterly simple and straight forward and you still have some things to prove as relates to your own plan.

so, yeah.
I mean't it makes no difference wither we detect your team or not, we have solid defense to take on your initial attack by your drafted chars.. The only way this might only happen is if your drafted characters will attack first and leave your summoned party as they would only be a hindrance to your main guys because they're only way to approach us is via on land which takes time and slow enough for God Cable to read and mind control

Again no.. Grav-metric that withstood nuclear explosion + Tk shielding protects us from Mags AOE attack and your summon won't be able to pull out those move at me as they would be mind control before they can do it and then turned on you..

Like i've said individually they are but pooled not a chance.. Anything offensive mags can do will be stop by our dual shield and Warlock has complete control over his molecular structure encase there is a slim chance Mags more exotic use of his ability will go through the shielding..

No you don't! Offensively you have yet to prove that you could even scratch or break the grav-metric back by TK shielding however i couldn't say the same for you as you have yet to prove that you have any immunity towards technopathy against 1001 chars.

Like I've said your outgunned and outnumbered
Originally posted by psycho gundam
not at all, you simply have a numbers advantage. your quantity is at least matched by our quality since our summons never tire and will rejuvenate any damage, and that includes magneto and cap'n comet.

anyway, now tireless magneto stomps the whole lot of them, he can even use them as a "meat" shield to stop your own attacks.

zombie rejuvenation:

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/rejuv-1.jpg

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/rejuve2-1.jpg

next....
That's good and all since they become ours to control..

It takes time to assemble that large of a mindless army, specially some that are quite big and uncontrollable, are a lot slower to move on land which makes it a big disadvantage to your team because that is all thats required For God Cable to mind control them, adding more army to my team to stomp yours..


Originally posted by psycho gundam
Originally posted by psycho gundam
Vote Mutant X. nwoot
Yes do vote for us

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/xforce2537vp1.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/xforce2539bz2.jpg

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/magnswarlock.jpg

x 1001. magneto can't ever tire now, nor can he be interupted cause you can't detect him at all. it would take mere moments

also, in the first moments of the fight, your side of the field was dusted with this:

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/nanobom4.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/nanobomb5.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/kabuto/nanobom6.jpg

Those scan is without Grav-metric and tk shielding.. Grav-metric alone withstood nuclear blast, those blast don't even compare..

You forgut your guys are mine to command, can mags handle those blast while being techopathicly attack? Think not..

Originally posted by Ambient
Well there is a few ways your chars. could be found;

1. Bio scan from Warlock - I'm still not buying that Mags cloaking could hide him from it.. The scan doesn't really prove much as both BB's and Lock Jaw's hightend senses are not automatic in nature, unlike say Cosmic Awareness for example.. They missed Mags because they where not using they're vaunted senses to look for him, I'm beating that the outcome would be far differ if they were..

a scan showing this ability would help. i don't see how any 'bio-signature' would be available for him to find however, and...... do zombies even HAVE a bio-signature??? you would need to prove that a bio-scan could, in some logical way, penetrate our shields which keep out pretty much EVERYTHING. without it, we're hidden. so.....good luck with that.



even if you could, it's not like we're staying in one spot. the zombies wouldn't know where we are either.....



i'm curious--what ARE this cable's tp feats? don't forget you are shielded by your own gravity shield and your tk shield as well. can he use his tp through both sets of shields? would this weaken him, lead to some burn out.....?

also, i'm not sure if mags was amped by cortez in that scan or not, but, doesn't really matter. he could always do this:

http://s151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/?action=view&current=MagnetoLongRangeTelepathy.jpg

so, jamming, or inhibiting, both are equally effective and will prevent you not only controlling OUR guys, but it will also repvent you communicating with your OWN team.



again, i see no proof at all of technopathy. CABLE brought them to the infonet. there is ZERO to suggest your technopathy. and besides--what EXACTLY are you trying to DO with this supposed technopathy?? you keep saying it, but..... you've not even told anyone what you're trying to do with it. how are you going to technopathically 'attack' mags or comet or kabuto?? we don't HAVE tech! sooooo.....?



yeah, my bad. i misunderstood the starting positions that were available.



hrm. book says it requires a MASSIVE SERVER. i'll leave it to the judges to decide if they feel your guy could do it on his own.

but, could it withstand a massive, planet-sized, EMP? here is mags creating one:

http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/3365/magcutsaswath8vm.jpg



not with your mind powers inhibited as shown in post above.



the grav shield is just a piece of tech that the EMP would shut down.



with the grav shield down via emp, it's just your tk shields, and phoenix herself wasn't strong enough to keep mags from draining her lifeforce as i've already shown.



and you've never said just what the heck this 'technopathic' attack is supposed to do. or shown any evidence that it is even VIABLE. aside from that single scan (that cable's own powers played a hand in) what technopathic feat has dominus EVER ALLOWED?

this scan serves 2 purposes: 1, it shows mag's ability to cast aside psionic attacks, and, 2, it shows that with enough effort, he can actually REVERSE gravity:

http://img285.imageshack.us/img285/2884/magreflectspsychicpowerandreve.jpg

he also has fine control over the entire electromagnetic spectrum. all these abilities, + the massive emp=death to your grav shield.

once the grav shields have been negated, your regular tk shields will never hold up to the levels of aoe attacks we have.

we have given some logical methods for getting through your shields. you have done NOTHING to indicate you can even FIND us, let alone get through a shield that is for all intents, invincible. we still have a massive edge in overall offense, and we can whittle your numbers down very quickly. in the meantime, you need to show that it is possible, in any way at all, to get through our shields when even a po'd dark phoenix couldn't. good luck with that.

lockjaw's detection skills > everything mentioned in ambient's arsenal

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Dont know what went wrong but it didn't post everything

Originally posted by leonidas
a scan showing this ability would help. i don't see how any 'bio-signature' would be available for him to find however, and...... do zombies even HAVE a bio-signature??? you would need to prove that a bio-scan could, in some logical way, penetrate our shields which keep out pretty much EVERYTHING. without it, we're hidden. so.....good luck with that.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/208/image3ve.jpg/

I'd also like to point out that this form of scan not only detects bio energies but is also a form of sonar detection as it detect motion or movement patterns.. Another way i could also detect you or your summoned zombie location. This form of scan was able to process, access and locate information across the whole Brazil grid. An extremely accurate way of detection, unlike say the scan with Mag's cloaking. It was never clear if it could ever actually hide him against someone who is actually using they're, in this case very formidable senses in locating him as the scan showed that both BB or Lock Jaw was going about in their normal daily routine which didn't include using they're senses to find someone..
Originally posted by leonidas
even if you could, it's not like we're staying in one spot. the zombies wouldn't know where we are either.....
This was why my Amalgam and the dupes use they're scanning abilities - 1001 + Warlocks computer like processing ability - to locate you with the dupes in psi-link to the original one.. Moving or not you will be detected.

Well you've had to rely information to them during prep like plan of action; Attack plan, approximate location to them so you wouldn't get caught with they're big bang attack, exact location before combat, and the likes.. This information can be retrieve from your Summoned.
Originally posted by leonidas
i'm curious--what ARE this cable's tp feats? don't forget you are shielded by your own gravity shield and your tk shield as well. can he use his tp through both sets of shields? would this weaken him, lead to some burn out.....? :shifty
Alright..

Here is how far Cable TP reach; New York to Switzerland, Germany, across the Pacific..

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8784/cd00303cs5.jpg
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7937/cabledeadpool00209.jpg
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/8032/cabledeadpool102005stree.jpg

Even mention he could read everybody's mind..

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9728/cabledeadpool092005broo.jpg

Mind Controlled six pack to sleep; also keep note Psi-jamming that prevents TP and that didn't work..

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/7096/cabledeadpool08200410br.jpg
http://imageshack.us/f/813/cabledeadpool092005broo.jpg/

No! This wouldn't weaken him; 1st off. His not single handedly supporting a huge Island for months and 2nd. His not fighting one of the most powerful being in Marvel; Silver Surfer..

So my plan to read and mind control your summon is quite practical. Why? The battle field is not only a lot smaller but your summons do not have the protection of any tp manipulation and even if it does, it seems that Cable tp can go through psi-jammings.
Originally posted by leonidas
also, i'm not sure if mags was amped by cortez in that scan or not.

so, jamming, or inhibiting, both are equally effective and will prevent you not only controlling OUR guys, but it will also repvent you communicating with your OWN team.
My bad i look at the wrong scan..

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/5716/magelectromagneticjamspsionics.jpg

However this scan was not Mags doing but rather Exodus, this was the time when Mags was still comatose due to the mindwipe cause by Prof. X and had Exodus fooled the Acolytes to thinking that Mags was giving orders through him.. So the scan still none valid

http://s151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/?action=view&current=MagnetoLongRangeTelepathy.jpg

Well if you've got more time in prep and i might agree he could very well do this, unfortunately 25 min. wouldn't be enough.. His been subtly altering the E.M field since his resurrection to inhibit long range tp which likely suggest that it took sometime to do this; week or years perhaps and also another thing to add is that this only stops long range but what about close/short range? A highly unlikely scenario only possible with more time

Not really.. Your proof didn't really provide any evidence to suggest that you could jam or stop our mind control, on the other hand i've provided proof that Cable TP's might be immune to tp jamming..
Originally posted by leonidas
again, i see no proof at all of technopathy. CABLE brought them to the infonet. there is ZERO to suggest your technopathy. and besides--what EXACTLY are you trying to DO with this supposed technopathy?? you keep saying it, but..... you've not even told anyone what you're trying to do with it. how are you going to technopathically 'attack' mags or comet or kabuto?? we don't HAVE tech! sooooo.

book says it requires a MASSIVE SERVER. i'll leave it to the judges to decide if they feel your guy could do it on his own.
In this scan Cable is using Technopathy on Capt. America; directly uploading info to his brain. My propose plan was mind rape via by this means and flood you with mass information till your mind blows or shuts down. Cable has done this, i just can't seem to find the scan..

http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/3138/tourney6.jpg
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/522/page15mg9.jpg/

It doesn't take much to connect to a server this days, heck you can buy and become one, so someone like technarchy warlock who could send signals across the galaxy should be more than capable of morphing into one..

Ill respond the rest later...

Originally posted by Ambient
Dont know what went wrong but it didn't post everything

i HATE that. hope you didn't lose it all when it didn't post. too many smiles and other tags?

anyway, good match so far ambient.

i'll let you finish before pg or i jump back in.

Originally posted by leonidas
i HATE that. hope you didn't lose it all when it didn't post. too many smiles and other tags?

anyway, good match so far ambient.

i'll let you finish before pg or i jump back in.
Yeah! I lost some of it ... Tags and smilies? I'll have to remember that..

Anyhow go ahead guys, it'll be some time till my next reply.. I'm at work right now..

And yeah good match thus far..

Originally posted by Ambient
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/208/image3ve.jpg/

I'd also like to point out that this form of scan not only detects bio energies but is also a form of sonar detection as it detect motion or movement patterns.. Another way i could also detect you or your summoned zombie location. This form of scan was able to process, access and locate information across the whole Brazil grid. An extremely accurate way of detection, unlike say the scan with Mag's cloaking. It was never clear if it could ever actually hide him against someone who is actually using they're, in this case very formidable senses in locating him as the scan showed that both BB or Lock Jaw was going about in their normal daily routine which didn't include using they're senses to find someone..

why are you assuming lockjaws senses were 'turned off'? his sense of smell doesn't stop because he's not actively looking for someone. his hearing doesn't stop. he neither saw, smelled or heard mags' presence and mags was pretty close. lockjaws physical senses are some of the best in marvel. he can track scents across DIMENSIONS for cyring out loud, and can at times at least, even sense danger. in ff #58, he was able to sense the danger doom posed when he gained ss's power cosmic! yet he didn't have any clue mags was present. i think that's pretty telling. any 'bio-reading' warlock could look for, lockjaw would notice, so again, i fail to see how finding some regular, unshielded people in a city equates to find us with so simple a process.



again, they wouldn't know. we just fly into the air and have the entire badlands to hide in. a 1000 is a very small number considering the size of that place....



well, you may be able to read them, but i don't see that really helping you much. and reading thoughts and making a couple people fall asleep really isn't all that impressive and is nowhere near the same as mind controlling 40 zombies to attack us.....

and the scans seem a little disjointed. not sure exactly what happened, or why the psi pulse failed. missing some context to complete it. not even sure what a psi pulse is SUPPOSED to do. seemed even they weren't confident it would work though.



huh? proof? what issue number was that scan from cuz i wanted to check myself but couldn't find it.....



but he's (a) not going to be subtle, and (b) he's only trying to affect a small area surrounding the battlefield--not the entire earth. i don't see it as unreasonable to say he could do inhibit, or at the very least, make it difficult for you to use your tp.



that proof is very shaky, as are cable's tp feats in general tbh. reading minds and putting a couple people to sleep=/=controlling all our zombies in the middle of a battle.



again, that is NOT technopathy--at least not as i know it. cyborg superman is a technopath. this is more akin to cable's tp--which makes sense since that is what it was supposed to replace. and he certainly didn't overwhelm cap with it--in fact he didn't even us it to attack. he merely passed along information. not sure why you think that would be effective at all. nor do i see why anyone would believe that TELEPATHIC 'assault' would be effective against mags when xavier himself has failed to breach his mental defenses.

to reiterate--we've shown that we have the power to hinder his tp, to potentially weaken and take out his grav shields via emp or mag's own ability to affect gravity. once the grav shields are down, his regualr tk shields could not hold up to our superior firepower. it might take a while, but we would whittle them down eventually.

hell, if we REALLY want to do some damage we could drop a massive, mountain-sized piece of the badlands on them, or open a volcano:

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/1496/magcontrolsearth2gf.jpg



they, otoh have done NOTHING to indicate they can either (a) breach or shielding, or (b) affect us mentally, or (c) even FIND us to attack us!

we've been on the offense and have offered more and more credible ways of winning this match.

Originally posted by Ambient
Alright..

Here is how far Cable TP reach; New York to Switzerland, Germany, across the Pacific..

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8784/cd00303cs5.jpg
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7937/cabledeadpool00209.jpg
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/8032/cabledeadpool102005stree.jpg

Even mention he could read everybody's mind..

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9728/cabledeadpool092005broo.jpg

Mind Controlled six pack to sleep; also keep note Psi-jamming that prevents TP and that didn't work..

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/7096/cabledeadpool08200410br.jpg
http://imageshack.us/f/813/cabledeadpool092005broo.jpg/

meh

reach of comet:

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/range.jpg "five light years"

and casually making better more powerful characters fall asleep

the pure energy starman:
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/gavynsleep.jpg

and bizarro:
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/biz1.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/biz2.jpg

only the best (class-A telepaths) can do such a thing:

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/aclass.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/aclass2.jpg

old magneto adapting and overcoming proteus

gatlyke display of skill and control:

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/magpro.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/magpro2.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/magpro3.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/magpro4.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/magpro5.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/magpro6.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/magpro7.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/magpro8.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/magpro9.jpg

now again, magneto is now tireless and has mental back-up in the form of captain comet on top of his already present mental defense feats, magneto whips cable's ass like he did before.

this fight is just a re-up of him raping cable and warlock, now it's done in one fell swoop. gravimetric shields are just "electrons dancing", magneto has gravity manipulation feats also so it's nothing new.

swag

Originally posted by leonidas
but, could it withstand a massive, planet-sized, EMP? here is mags creating one:

http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/3365/magcutsaswath8vm.jpg
Its an energy mesh that supposedly disrupts Mag's mutant ability hardly a force field, a grav-metric force field to be exact and no it wasn't a planet size EMP, all he did was cut through some of the energy strings that makes up the mesh and interrupt the formation of it... The grav-metric force field has no such weaknesses to exploit..

Ah! but you didn't as shown in post above..

But you've yet to prove that the EMP would go through the Grav-metric shielding in order to affect the tech..

But it isn't down and is still back by my TK shield..

Life force draining wouldn't work with those shield up and you've yet to explain how is he going to concentrate when his got 1000+ dupes using D.O to upload massive info into his brain for a KO..

The scan happened after Cable lost his TP powers which was replace with D.O = Technopathy. Upload of information to your brain for a massive migraine to KO Overload is its purpose..

1. I'm not going for a psionic but rather a technopatic attack..
2. Impressive but they're already a float, in fact all my dupes are actually reversing gravity by flying.. I fail to see how that's going to affect this fight..

Your methods has been refuted logicly. The shield will hold as shown in the strength of its durability, God Cable TP is still unhindered and have taken the numbers of your summon and you've yet to prove that you've got defense against technopathic attack, we've still out numbered and outgunned you..

We've got powers that Dark Phoenix wish she had ..

Alright! Im just not too familiar with Lockjaw's but like i said there's more than a one way to finding you.. Ex. Bio-reading through movement patterns of your summon, Mind-reading and i've even mentioned it make no diff. as my forcefield will hold to an initial assault you can mount, anything of a nuclear explosion..

They are mindless to begin with as opposed to someone with psi defense training ie. Domino, Bridge.. A hynotic suggestion would do the trick..

It was supposed to hide them but Cable new anyway..

Its kinda too late ill finish this tommorrow.. lol's

Originally posted by leonidas
well, you may be able to read them, but i don't see that really helping you much. and reading thoughts and making a couple people fall asleep really isn't all that impressive and is nowhere near the same as mind controlling 40 zombies to attack us.....

and the scans seem a little disjointed. not sure exactly what happened, or why the psi pulse failed. missing some context to complete it. not even sure what a psi pulse is SUPPOSED to do. seemed even they weren't confident it would work though. erm
Making people fall a sleep is akin to mind control, as it is forcing them to do something they don't want too but if that is not enough evidence, here is a few more scan that support pretty much what i intend them to do during battle..

Here he controlled Sam to drop his blast field and this is a very weak Cable in terms of psionic powers, as oppose to God Cable version..

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7792/45901718.jpg

Mind Control a member of the Maurader's to attack another member and finally control them to stop fighting..

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/1869/cableannual199928wr2.jpg
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4962/cableannual199929ev3.jpg

And again this are beings with their individuality intact who could mount a form of defense for such an attack as oppose to your summons with no individuality; soulless and mindless, that is controlled with mere words, something that should fall much easier to mindcontrol..

The Psi-pulse was supposed to shield them from Cable's telepathy which pretty much a failure but the purpose of it is pretty much similar to your intentions and that is to shield your character from telepathy.. So we've got Cable telepathy withstanding psi-jamming, proving it is not a sure beat that this would work in your case. This in case if and that is a big IF that your character could pull psi-jamming.

This happened after the fatal attraction crossover and before Bloodties, I just can't remember the exact issue #..

For a intent and purpose (a) subtility might be a requirement for such an extent of manipulation and (b) this feat was intended to cover global long range inhibition of psi scanning, however the battle field does not even cover an 8th of the globe which likely suggest that this is not strong enough to block a telepath of high caliber within close proximity.. then add this to the fact that you might not even have enough time to pull off such manipulation due to your SATANIC PREP .. Highly unlikely you could pull this off with even slim chance of it working.

Well you could call it TP through technopathy as his means of accomplishing such ability is by harnessing tech. It was not his intention to overwhelm Capt. but it did confused him and like i mentioned before he has overwhelmed someone by directly downloading massive info to the brain.. I just need to find the scan..

I see this working on Mags as the means is diff. than norm telepathy, the helmet wouldn't block a good portion of it and there is over 1000+ doing the exact similar..
Originally posted by psycho gundam
old magneto adapting and overcoming proteus

this fight is just a re-up of him raping cable and warlock, now it's done in one fell swoop. gravimetric shields are just "electrons dancing", magneto has gravity manipulation feats also so it's nothing new.

swag
Again im attacking via technopathy not psionic..

Have you got proof that he can bypass Grav-shields? Just because he can reverse gravity does in no way make him = Graviton.. Cable constantly reverse gravity all the time when applying powers to fly..

Judges

I have shown and made counter arguments regarding they're supposed hindering of my characters TP - It is no where full proof as i have indicated in the above post; (A) I have shown that my character had encountered similar stance and in no way impede the application of that ability. (B) The way my opponent proposed to accomplish this feat is questionable; in that they lack the time to make such preparation and even if applicable, it is by no means workable as it only inhibits long range TP. (C) The other is not Mags doing but rather Exodus..

They think to overpower the Grav-metric shield with TK in one go by presenting a want you to believe "global EMP blast". But we know that they are just hyping that feat , it was nothing more than cutting a few strings within the net that leasen its effect and allowed anything to go in or out.. Dropping a small size Volcano?? God Cable alone held an island in Earths gravity for a weeks/months, those could easy toss back at them.. Again my character is able to counter anything they can throw but have yet to show you how they can counter my technopathic attack in congruent with attack made from they're summon.. We outnumbered them 3 - 1000+ therefore we got more power at our disposal making it a clear win for us..

So vote for

MUTANT x..

are we doing final posts now?

I don't think so unless were pretty close to deadline.. I'm just doing a little recap to point out some of my arguments thus far..

i don't really want to keep going, after a week it's basically the same thing over again

i'll kill you in the next post and be done with it

Yeah I gotcha..

You couldnt cause you already died a few pages back : )

we'll see about that shocklaugh

where's inmalist/the judging? oh well

dirty bomb post

D.O.A. (death of ambient)

x8AMrD3r4T4

---------------------^play me----------------------------


with this, your efforts against us are null and void, and your team's best hopes all involve being an invalid and immobilization

here's why :

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/lifeglow1.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/lifeglow2.jpg

as you can see, healing/altering cable's viral infection requires "lifeglow" from warlock, this will shut his ass down as soon as it's over, and if one(s) bond to him before this takes place..... blank screen of fail before the fighting starts.

can this be fixed in prep you ask? no, as the amount of lifeglow is beyond your means to replace, and time in not on your side either:

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/lifeglow3.jpg

he was out longer than your prep time, and needed energy from a massive source in the siredam (technarch warrior class with more power)

the siredam (controlled by tyro) healed drax and gamora, but this process is not instant and leaves them queasy:

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/lifeglow5.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/lifeglow6.jpg so not only do you not have the juice to heal them, if you did they'd be in a bad way AND get nothing done during preparation.

so yeah, warlock goes catatonic no matter what, and things go to a grinding halt...that then explodes in a fiery failferno during your prep time.



breath bombs and die

http://i52.tinypic.com/hwcsqv.jpg

yeah, take that.

no god cable. no providence upgrades. no mobile, functioning characters to fight us with. he get's nathan

dying in your own prep time is unprecedented, you saw it here first folks, i'll say it for you....this time:

http://i52.tinypic.com/33vyn15.jpg

Originally posted by psycho gundam
where's inmalist/the judging? oh well

dirty bomb post

D.O.A. (death of ambient)

x8AMrD3r4T4

---------------------^play me----------------------------


with this, your efforts against us are null and void, and your team's best hopes all involve being an invalid and immobilization

here's why :

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/lifeglow1.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/lifeglow2.jpg

as you can see, healing/altering cable's viral infection requires "lifeglow" from warlock, this will shut his ass down as soon as it's over, and if one(s) bond to him before this takes place..... blank screen of fail before the fighting starts.

can this be fixed in prep you ask? no, as the amount of lifeglow is beyond your means to replace, and time in not on your side either:

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/lifeglow3.jpg

he was out longer than your prep time, and needed energy from a massive source in the siredam (technarch warrior class with more power)

the siredam (controlled by tyro) healed drax and gamora, but this process is not instant and leaves them queasy:

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/lifeglow5.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/lifeglow6.jpg so not only do you not have the juice to heal them, if you did they'd be in a bad way AND get nothing done during preparation.

so yeah, warlock goes catatonic no matter what, and things go to a grinding halt...that then explodes in a fiery failferno during your prep time.



breath bombs and die

http://i52.tinypic.com/hwcsqv.jpg



Had Cable required the full purging of techno virus within his biology for full access to his potential then you might have a case however he need not a complete purging of the virus in his system to reach max power but only a halt in its advance or shock it to dormancy therefore your point
holds no relevancy as what is intended of Warlock was only to REPROGRAM and REWRITE the techno virus and not a complete purge..

Nova completely purge of the Phalanx virus..

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8751/nova8dcp016.jpg

What is intended of Warlock to do in regards to Cable techno virus; is to Reprogram and Recode to halt its advance..

Tyro - exposed to Warlocks mutant techno virus -

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/7859/nova11dcp023.jpg

1.) This is done by Tyro but its all the same as he learned and acquired this ability from Warlock..

http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/366/nova8dcp027.jpg

2.) Warlock vs Merge Adam Warlock/Ultron Phalanx - intention is to reprogram and rewrite Ultron Phalanx..

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/8231/ac618.jpg

3.) Warlock reprograming and rewriting Phalanx infected denizens..

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/1700/ac635.jpg

4.) His also done this to his Siredam; the Magus a few times..

STILL OUTNUMBERED AND OUTGUNNED little base god..

Nice try but no cigar ..

i'd like you to prove that halting it is sufficient enough to allow him to use his full illegal power

not that it saves you

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/5189/cd00306ew3.jpg

The God Cable version still had the progressive techno virus in his system, its just that his control over it was so great that it no longer hindered him..

In a way it would be similar to what i intend to do. Have Warlock reprogram/recode or shock it to dormancy causing it to no longer hinder him therefore freeing all his potential mutant power..

Inmalist voted it legal, so there your wrong again.. Actually after seing all that scan of Mags displayed power, i really don't see how this version of Cable above limit..

Final Post

Summary

Locating them or they're summon and extracting information.

Bio or Mind - scan via Warlock/Cable afford us to see energy signature and movement patterns, if not from the main draftee at the very least the summons as they are neither shielded or hidden. It takes but a moment to mind scan for information and triangulation..

Taking over they're summon, increasing my team members.

Wiping out they're summons individuality to better control them was a clever idea, this however backfired in they're hands as it is an illegal move to give an outside amp from they're drafted char. to they're summon via mind link and shields. This made the summon very susceptible to TP attack in the form of mind control, an easy task for someone in the level of God Cable..

They aim to stop this attack via psi - jamming using Mag's control over the EM field however there were a lot of issue's on those manipulation feats as was explained in post above + God Cable has been shown to be capable of using TP with the above condition..

Techno - pathic Attack.

- downloading massive info to the opponent and overwhelm to KO. -

Capt. Comet and Mags might have good defense against TP attack but have never shown to have any kind of defensive measure against this form of techno - pathic manipulation..

Cable techno - pathic attack overwhelming a dozen homeland security..

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/4073/scan0023r.jpg

Grav - metric and TK shielding.

Even if we somehow fail to locate the opponents main drafted chars. our shields will hold to they're attack as the grav - metric shield durability alone were able to withstand an up close nuclear explosion.

Again they contend that Mag's control over magnetism can affect the tech that governs the shielding however they haven't proven that this control can bypass the shield and TK that protects the tech..

Mag's Shielding.

Though they're shielding would prove to be quite a challenge to breach, it is not indestructible.. God Cable TK with 1000+ less powerful TK and Grav - metric applied to it could squash/breach it or wait tell one of them runs out of air (possibly Kaboto). So once the opportunity comes technopathic attack will close the deal..

Judges

I have shown and rebutted they're claims regarding the possibility of my amalgam not working and they were proven wrong as pointed out by the evidence presented. They're attacks can no less harm my characters and the dupes via grav and tk shields. The combine power of my team, dupes and they're summon which i gained control should be probable that the quantity pooled power of my team can breach they're shielding therefore becoming open to techno - pathic, telepathic, telekinetic attack..

We outnumber them 1000+ to 3, each with the power to defensively counter anything they can throw at..

Outnumbered and Outgunned little base god..

VOTE

MUTANT X

pg's take of the summery

offense

- magneto vs cybernetics....... lol magneto has already casually left ambient's characters in near death states in canon material

- magneto has taken on the dark phoenix, proteus...damn near everyone and looked great, not to mention he can simply tap into the
magnetosphere and power up mid-combat. he's even used his opponent's own attacks against his shields to power himself up. this is legalized rape here

- micro-bombs seed the air in ambient's side of the field--and cable does in fact breathe. this will be done repeatably

- zombies are tireless and regen like a mug, and will spam everything they've got on cable prime. he'd be getting nuked back to back, swallowed up by gravity anomalies, torn by telekinetic blasts, shredded by electromagnetic manipulation, etc back. to. back. with no end in site. your characters are always on defense.

- comet actually has mind control (making someone do something against their will) feats unlike gawd cable who just has thought casting apparently. the herald level bizzaro superman was helpless before comet.

- ambient's shields.... breath bombs and die. the first thing his characters do is scan and toss cliffs, well the first thing ours do
is summon a bomb into the midst of your army and detonate it.

also, see: magneto


defense

- magneto cloaked the shit out of himself and captain comet, and magneto has one of the best, most versatile force fields in science- fiction

- quality over quantity as ambient's dupes are ammo for magneto

- all our characters will regenerate any damage, fully restored like new

- cable prime is ambient's keystone player, and with him busted up chiefly via magneto (though there is a lot on the table here), all his dupes punch out simultaneously

- magneto cloaked the shit out of himself and captain comet

- zombies are tireless and regen like a mug, and will spam everything they've got on cable prime

- comet has telepathic priority over our characters and ambient's without any substantial mind control feats, not to mention over characters worth a damn. cable made cap see some stuff and scanned some human civilians.... yay, almost all of the zombies i summoned can do something similar. comet shatters
cable's telepathy feats outright, and worst case scenario comet can fix anything cable does.

the infonet simply is not a a sufficient substitute for what ambient hopes to accomplish. magneto can simply chaff that shit away to nothing

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/cinfonet.jpg

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/infonet2.jpg

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/infonet.jpg

isn't that cute. where you extrapolate that into taking our characters as your own i will never know.


i reiterate: cable has 0 mind control feats




when it's all said and done, the summons with cable's blood all over their weapons re-seal them, or a dna sample/limb/organ is procured and then sealed in a scroll

wow, that was too close for comfort....

so.....anyone plan on judging this match.....

Originally posted by leonidas
so.....anyone plan on judging this match.....

Don't worry; your match is going to get judged by this really knowledgeable poster named Godot.

Originally posted by Simbon
Don't worry; your match is going to get judged by this really knowledgeable poster named Godot.

well then, i like our odds...

Originally posted by Simbon
Don't worry; your match is going to get judged by this really knowledgeable poster named Godot. http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/godat.gif

I'm judging. I am going to work on it today.

Nice! One in the works. So two more to go..

Sorry its taking so long. I will try and have it up as soon as I can.

I will have my decision Thursday night.

First of all, let me congratulate you guys on the great match! After the rules settled into their final forms, the debating was great.

I feel like both prep plans seemed quite valid, and I don't see that often in tournaments. The thousand clones and summons go off without a hitch as far as I can see. Downloading the dominus objective seems totally supported by the scans despite leo's objectiongs.

To me, however, this fight hinged mainly on one thing. Originally, Ambient's plan was simply to crush the enemy with physical force; this idea was rendered completely ineffective because all of the Based Gods characters are immortal. At that point, it seems Ambient relied increasingly on his TP for getting the win, either by mass brainwashing or infonet knockout.

First, the mass brainwashing. It is true that Magneto's abilities probably couldn't completely nullify TP use; but that doesn't really change much, because I think it would still prove a huge hindrance to this plan which relied on the TP working without problems. Leo rightfully pursued this issue, asking for scans and calling Cable's TP credentials into doubt. As it is, I can see Cable maybe snagging a couple of zombies, but controlling the entire army seems very doubtful. Captain Comet's mind control feats actually looked much better than Cables, so that could even be pushing it.

The infonet is almost a non-issue. Unfortunately there was no proof that it could work on characters with strong protection from mental attacks. Ambient could only assert that TP protection does not work on technopathy, but to me that opens up a whole new problem, as that would essentially be saying only someone with Cable's own powerset could resist the ability, bringing this rule into play:

Originally posted by inimalist
No characters who have attacks that would be unstoppable generally. Ala KK's tourney, a psychic or speedster attack is something you could reasonably expect and prepare for, an attack that is always 100% effective and lethal would not be allowed.

Again, I don't believe that's the case; I think psycho/leo's team can absolutely defend against it. But Ambient is caught between a rock and a hard place with this sort of no-limits fallacy. I think if he had been able to provide evidence of Cable doing this to anyone impressive, I would have been won over. As is, its just speculation.

I think Ambient put too much faith in his force field as well. Protecting from a nuke is great, as I think the zombies attacks are well below that level. But we're talking about him doing this while Magneto is actively undermining the shield, and the zombies never tire and are free to attack again and again. I feel that the shield may stand up for quite a while but will doubtlessly break eventually.

The last minute stuff about possible side effects to Warlock was interesting but I feel Ambient was totally correct in that only a rewriting is necessary, and that Warlock could survive the process. I see God Cable as easily achievable with this character combo.

In summary: I feel Ambient spent more time trying to defend his initial plans than actually fleshing out an effective offense. He essentially kept reiterating the "1000-to-3" line, assuming he could simply stomp team Based Gods. But 1000-to-3 (actually more like 40) doesn't mean much when those 3 regenerate all physical damage. TP was the only angle that seemed workable, but when it came down to it, the evidence just wasn't there. I think that Ambient might have done better to focus on nabbing a few summons whose abilities might have been useful against the opponent, rather than steadfastly insisting he would grab the whole army despite the numerous protections they had.

Meanwhile, PG/Leo's offense worked on multiple levels, and i'm convinced that the minute that shield goes down Ambient's team is in for a world of hurt. Based on that, I am casting my vote for Leo and Psycho Gundam

huh. wow. anyway, nicely fleshed out. very tough match to judge kk and you did a nice job explaining away your reasons.

not sure who else is gonna judge this, but thanks for taking the time to read this beast.

Outside of the legal stuff, I felt like this was actually a pretty simple match. At least compared to a lot of tournaments i've been in.

Thanks KK!! Nicely done..

Hmm! Immortal = unkillable, kinda off the rule
..

I'd already talked to inimalist and he approved of kabuto full well knowing his summons were immortal. Remember, I was the consultant for anime characters. I made sure.

Cool.

Just messing with you man..

My vote is for Based Gods.

I feel like both teams had a main focus on the team, Magneto for the Based Gods, and Cable, for the Mutant X. Those two were the primary defensive and offensive focus of both teams and the other characters played supporting roles.

So it really comes down to Magneto vs Cable for me. I wasn't convinced the Cable's technopathy attack would work on Magneto, not that I didn't believe it possible, I simply don't think enough evidence was provided to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

On the other hand, I thought Based Gods did a good job showing what a poor matchup Cable faces against Magneto, that Cable's weaknesses play into Magneto's strengths.

So the crux of my decision was on the fact that I thought Based Gods had a better matchup in pitting their superstar against Mutant X's superstar.

Well I guess that's it..

Congrats Leo/Gundam good match..

Originally posted by Ambient
Thanks KK!! Nicely done..

Hmm! Immortal = unkillable, kinda off the rule
..

it was one of the tactics I was watching for the battle

leo/gundam already know I'm looking at that prior to the redraft

lol, tbh, it was you two, and Simbon, whose characters I knew were going to cause nonsense, and as such, I think I was proved right, if, you know, in a highly confusing way...

can't wait for time conquerors....

Tbh. I saw that, I just didn't make any argumentation about it cause I wanted those summons in my team . I thought I had quit a strong case regarding control of those immortal summons as my dupes, dough not in the level of God Cable was still capable of mind control the likes of Sam. So with G - Cable and the dupes, I was quite confident that my plan was passable but I quess the case wasn't strong enough.. That kinda back fired against me.. Agh! Next time..

i'll be perfectly frank and say i didn't think we'd win the match. it's always interesting reading the judges' rationales.

Originally posted by leonidas
i'll be perfectly frank and say i didn't think we'd win the match. it's always interesting reading the judges' rationales. honestly, this was a confusing match to judge because the first 3 pages were filled with rulings rather than debating, and it is kinda confusing what was legal and what wasn't tbh

it all boiled down to ambient amping his dupes to herald level when the rules said that exact thing was to be stopped at all costs. prior to that he was stripped of the COS, ambient rescinded that part also... pretty simple after that

i think ambient just lacked the killer instinct, he has a solid plan even with the nerfs

I actually think there was a huge, huge problem with Ambient's plan that was never brought up, but I should probably keep it to myself in case he doesn't redraft.

No, actually it was the duplication issue. Once warlock built the armor ariund sunspot, he was able to transmit his mutant powers sufficiently for flight. Aside from the fact that there is a huge difference between launching off like a walrus with a jetpack and making duplicates just in terms of difficulty, I never saw any reason why accessing MM's powers would allow Warlock to make copies of his melded cable form -- if he could even access MM's powers, from what we've seen it would simply mean that, when the armor was hit with kinetic force warlock could absorb it and make copies of Jamie, not copies of cable-melded warlock surrounding a new jamie. In short, I thought the cable part of your plan, with all of its tech was totally solid, but I didn't buy the duplication process at all. Still, very creative.

Originally posted by Ambient
"How Cable could access his mutant powers when his body is fully taken over by techno-organic via the merging with Warlock? you're damn right that was a problem

I command you to forget everything you read in this tread.. Blam! Blam!

Originally posted by Simbon
No, actually it was the duplication issue. Once warlock built the armor ariund sunspot, he was able to transmit his mutant powers sufficiently for flight. Aside from the fact that there is a huge difference between launching off like a walrus with a jetpack and making duplicates just in terms of difficulty, I never saw any reason why accessing MM's powers would allow Warlock to make copies of his melded cable form -- if he could even access MM's powers, from what we've seen it would simply mean that, when the armor was hit with kinetic force warlock could absorb it and make copies of Jamie, not copies of cable-melded warlock surrounding a new jamie. In short, I thought the cable part of your plan, with all of its tech was totally solid, but I didn't buy the duplication process at all. Still, very creative.
Huh! I've missed this one..

When Multiple man activates his mutant powers its not only his biological form that gets copied but also any tech such as weapons, cloths, armors around his form.. he has been shown to do this in comics.. ++ the fact that dough the armor might not seem like the usual merging feat of Warlock they are still considered as one and if it really need be, i can fully meld MM to Warlock -- I have posted of scan of Warlock melded with more than one individual.. Either way it still works i think..

late reply ssrry..

Originally posted by Ambient
Huh! I've missed this one..

When Multiple man activates his mutant powers its not only his biological form that gets copied but also any tech such as weapons, cloths, armors around his form.. he has been shown to do this in comics.. ++ the fact that dough the armor might not seem like the usual merging feat of Warlock they are still considered as one and if it really need be, i can fully meld MM to Warlock -- I have posted of scan of Warlock melded with more than one individual.. Either way it still works i think..

late reply ssrry..

Heh. However, merging with two people=/=access to the powers of those two, and any stuff Multiple Man has duplicated other than himself was, while complicated, not sentient and certainly not having herald level powers.
Other than surreal phalanx-biology-violating concept of siring himself... one of those things just isn't going to work.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Heh. However, merging with two people=/=access to the powers of those two, and any stuff Multiple Man has duplicated other than himself was, while complicated, not sentient and certainly not having herald level powers.
Other than surreal phalanx-biology-violating concept of siring himself... one of those things just isn't going to work.

Exactly. The strategy is inventive, but I simply don't see it working.

I see your point if my intention was to have two or more separate individual duplicating only with one of this individual having said so abilities.. You have to take the amalgam as face value -- a single entity.. It would be no diff. than Jamie duplicating himself..

Also there was no herald level character during the duplication though I see no relevancy of this matter during this process as it would not be possible due to set rules..