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feats of strength and physical power only

Let's start with something small.

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H1n8, Carver? I have to leave at 6 so let's get going.

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Originally posted by Batman-Prime
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Originally posted by Batman-Prime
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Originally posted by Batman-Prime
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Thor didn't looked as calm and easy while supporting or holding that building, the second one was with help.

As for the Planet busting, mostly hyperbole, not actual feats.

The Midgard Serpent was impressive though.

I didn't read the comics the following scans are from, to be honest. But anyway.

Hyperbole:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll222/CapztehLumby/SheHulk70076.jpg

No Hyperbole:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff191/Galan_photos/juggs_gladiator1.jpg

last one is non-canon

Originally posted by psycho gundam
last one is non-canon

Oh thank you ^^. As said I didn't read it, I just try to put some life into this thread

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Thor didn't looked as calm and easy while supporting or holding that building, the second one was with help.

He was weakened/dazed/disoriented by Mongoose's gas.

So what? Asgard is huge:
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http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSuperGodSkrull27.jpg

Much more impressive than a single Skyscraper.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
As for the Planet busting, mostly hyperbole, not actual feats.

Yea, it's not as if Hercules/Thor struck each other with enough force to close a hole in space/time. Whatever, it's fine, I posted other feats more impressive than destroying a planet.

I don't want this to become a debate. Match the feats posted or concede.

I'm surprised it hasn't been proven that Gladiator is noticeably above Thor physically yet. With such dedicated fans I'd have assumed they had access to some really amazing feats that only they are privy to.

I mean, it's not as if we've seen Gladiator's best and have yet to bare witness to some of Thor's higher end showings or anything.....

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He was weakened/dazed/disoriented by Mongoose's gas.

So what? Asgard is huge:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/BringsBackAsgard5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/BringsBackAsgard6.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSuperGodSkrull27.jpg

Much more impressive than a single Skyscraper.



Yea, it's not as if Hercules/Thor struck each other with enough force to close a hole in space/time. Whatever, it's fine, I posted other feats more impressive than destroying a planet.

I don't want this to become a debate. Match the feats posted or concede.

Ok, still the Glads Skyscraper seems more impressive.

Asgard is huge, so is the ship Glads is flying to Big G, the one full of weapons.

I don't want it to become a debate too. Just pointing out some differences. The Midgard serpent is the most impressive thor feat yet and I think it's on par with Glads Planet buster.

No need to concede.

BTW I'm not a Glads fan . I just hoped Carver would feel inspired and post some scans I don't know. And I hoped to see some Thor scans which show him to be over > Glads. Still waiting.

I'm off sleeping ^^. Maybe you will surprise me when I'm back .

I'll make it short.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Ok, still the Glads Skyscraper seems more impressive.

Asgard is huge, so is the ship Glads is flying to Big G, the one full of weapons.

I'm not sure you realize what I was trying to do. I attempted to continuously bump up the scale.

You posted Gladiator lifting a Skyscraper and I posted Thor lifting the much larger Asgard.

You posted Gladiator moving the large ship -of unknown size I might add- and I posted Thor lifting the much larger Midgard Serpent.

I tried to keep at least 2 different categories for some order. Those being Striking and Lifting.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I don't want it to become a debate too. Just pointing out some differences. The Midgard serpent is the most impressive thor feat yet and I think it's on par with Glads Planet buster.

No need to concede.

BTW I'm not a Glads fan . I just hoped Carver would feel inspired and post some scans I don't know. And I hoped to see some Thor scans which show him to be over > Glads. Still waiting.

You have yet to post a lifting feat to match Thor supporting the weight of half a planet. You have yet to post a striking feat as impressive as rocking Surtur. But I digress, you don't have to adhere to those guidelines.

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Some hammer throws:

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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'll make it short.


I'm not sure you realize what I was trying to do. I attempted to continuously bump up the scale.

You posted Gladiator lifting a Skyscraper and I posted Thor lifting the much larger Asgard.

You posted Gladiator moving the large ship -of unknown size I might add- and I posted Thor lifting the much larger Midgard Serpent.

I tried to keep at least 2 different categories for some order. Those being Striking and Lifting.



You have yet to post a lifting feat to match Thor supporting the weight of half a planet. You have yet to post a striking feat as impressive as rocking Surtur. But I digress, you don't have to adhere to those guidelines.

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Ok, so you should bump the scale. I posted the Skyscraper, you posted a, in my opinion, lesser skyscraper feat. You posted the larger Asgard feat but Thor wasn't alone. Except of this, while Glads lifted something from the ground, your scans show more something like supporting.

The midgard Serpent was really nice. The spaceship was big, as big as a city with million tons of weapon on board.^^

Sorry maybe I missed something but when did Thor supported half a planet?

As for the stryking. We talk about strength I though. So the strike should be done without Mjolnir. A Hammerthrow or an Hammer strike is surely more powerful then an normal punch from Thor, so we can't take them into account, don't you think?

it's glads' time to shine! so, where's all the magic?? i notice some are rather conspicuous by their absence. that seems to say an awful lot more than the scans do...... i trust we can put to bed this nonsense that glads' is stronger than thor. i mean even his biggest supporters are unwilling to try and show different. and i thought for sure we'd see something from a fully confident gladiator! i mean he's talked about all the time, so he must have made an appearance SOMEWHERE......

heh

Apart from the Midgard Serpent none of those Thor strength feats were particularly impressive by High Herald standards.

That being said the decided lack of Gladiator nuthuggers here is delicious. I expected to see no less than three posters post the vaunted "planet destruction" feat.

Pretty sure we can just go ahead and declare Thor the winner if this is all Glad's corner can come up with.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Pretty sure we can just go ahead and declare Thor the winner if this is all Glad's corner can come up with.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Ok, so you should bump the scale. I posted the Skyscraper, you posted a, in my opinion, lesser skyscraper feat. You posted the larger Asgard feat but Thor wasn't alone. Except of this, while Glads lifted something from the ground, your scans show more something like supporting.

I thought the Skyscraper feat was sufficient enough to match Gladiator's but as I wasn't 100% certain, hence I posted the Asgard feat which is noticeably more superior.

There isn't anything to debate about. Lifting a Skyscraper is nowhere near as impressive as lifting Asgard with someone who is your physical peer. Cut the weight in half and it's still a city compared to a building. Re-read the scene. Asgard dropped on them.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
The midgard Serpent was really nice. The spaceship was big, as big as a city with million tons of weapon on board.^^

I'm not really sure what you want. The feats I posted are superior. Continuously discussing moving a spaceship of unknown size is nowhere near as impressive as the Midgard Serpent feat. It may match lifting Asgard but that's about it.

If you can't match the feats posted then move on. Discussing them as if that somehow makes them less impressive doesn't actually prove anything as it's all right there in the pages.

Thor lifting Asgard > Gladiator lifting a Skyscraper

Thor overpowering the Midgard Serpent > Gladiator moving a ship of unknown size

Thor wins. Let's drop it and move on. I don't want this to become a debate because you have the inability to admit when your lacking support.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Sorry maybe I missed something but when did Thor supported half a planet?

You'd call it hyperbole most likely.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
As for the stryking. We talk about strength I though. So the strike should be done without Mjolnir. A Hammerthrow or an Hammer strike is surely more powerful then an normal punch from Thor, so we can't take them into account, don't you think?

You don't want to take Mjolnir into account? A certain "individual" thinks even with Mjolnir, Thor has never done anything nearly as impressive as destroying a planet and the OP said physical power. It is an inherently difficult task as Thor uses Mjolnir often but at least we've established at one point Gladiator can't match Thor. Anyways, closing that dimensional barrier should be sufficient enough to equal planet destroying if nothing else.

How about showings of might against other established entities? Thor owning Drax, overpowering and knocking out Surfer, overpowering Annihilus, stalemating Kurse, kicking Mephisto's ass and things of that nature? All more impressive than anything Gladiator has done in my book.

Whatever. I wager that we're done here.

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Originally posted by Omega Vision
Apart from the Midgard Serpent none of those Thor strength feats were particularly impressive by High Herald standards.

In your mind, does it start at planetary level force? If so, the Midgard Serpent feat isn't the only showing on or above that level posted thus far. Of course I'm assuming you didn't go throw the entire thread.

huh, this seems pretty 1 sided so far...

I do think Thor is stronger, but it'd be nice to see why people think Glads is equal...

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/MastersonThorvsGladiator4.jpg

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/7701/thor44109.jpg
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/51/thorvsmastersonthor2.jpg

The closest we have to a comparison of strength between current Gladiator and Thor.

Aside from Carver, who are the other gladiator fans? TBH, I suspect that their entire notion of his power is derived from the 90s x-men cartoon.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I thought the Skyscraper feat was sufficient enough to match Gladiator's but as I wasn't 100% certain, hence I posted the Asgard feat which is noticeably more superior.

There isn't anything to debate about. Lifting a Skyscraper is nowhere near as impressive as lifting Asgard with someone who is your physical peer. Cut the weight in half and it's still a city compared to a building. Re-read the scene. Asgard dropped on them.


Yes if you compare the incorrect feats, you would be right but it won't work this way. I will explain it to you in the next quote.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

I'm not really sure what you want. The feats I posted are superior. Continuously discussing moving a spaceship of unknown size is nowhere near as impressive as the Midgard Serpent feat. It may match lifting Asgard but that's about it.



That's the problem, they are not imho. I'm disappointed to tell you the truth.
The ship had the size of a city

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/99...ervision4bn.jpg
you can see it in the upper left corner. And it had millions tons of weapons on board. And again you are comparing false feats.


Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

If you can't match the feats posted then move on. Discussing them as if that somehow makes them less impressive doesn't actually prove anything as it's all right there in the pages.

Thor lifting Asgard > Gladiator lifting a Skyscraper

Thor overpowering the Midgard Serpent > Gladiator moving a ship of unknown size



I want you to match them, what you failed to do, really.
And there is need to discuss them if you compare them, anyway. I won't work the way you wish it. It's more like:

Glads lifting a Skyscraper > Thor lifting a Skyskraper

Glads carrying a Ship the size of a city with millions tons of weapons on board at superspeed > Thor supporting a falling Asgard with the help of BRB.

Thor moving the Serpent was impressive, though if you are also so into hyperbole
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/8489/gladpower10ym.jpg
Move planets at will. I don't think Gladiator is a lier but it's ok if you don't believe his words.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Thor wins. Let's drop it and move on. I don't want this to become a debate because you have the inability to admit when your lacking support.


That's the problem, I want Thor to win, that's why I picked up the best feats I could find of glads and put them here. That's why it is so disappointing that except for the midgard Serpent you haven't show me anything on par with them. And even the Serpent incident could be argued. As Thor was on a ship which has strong enough engines to counter Thors strength+the serpents weight, well that's an impressive ship! But I don't want to lowball it. The serpent one is nice, old, very old, but still nice .

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


You'd call it hyperbole most likely.


It is, mostly.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


You don't want to take Mjolnir into account? A certain "individual" thinks even with Mjolnir, Thor has never done anything nearly as impressive as destroying a planet and the OP said physical power. It is an inherently difficult task as Thor uses Mjolnir often but at least we've established at one point Gladiator can't match Thor. Anyways, closing that dimensional barrier should be sufficient enough to equal planet destroying if nothing else.


I don't because it's idiocy to compare the strike of a fist with a hammerstrike. Mjolnir is a weapon, if you can hit as hard with you fist as with the weapon you wear, you wouldn't need that weapon. And not even you will argue that a hammerstrike is more powerful then a punch, right? And hitting something with Mjolnir or throwing Mjolnir isn't showing Thors real strength, really...
The Dimension was nice but Hercules and Thor did it together and it's not on par with Planetbusting imho. So yes, there should be something else.

I don't want to be mean Rage, but you know as good as me that Mjolnir is making Thors hits much more effective, stronger if you wish. The dimension punch was nice but with Hercules and I hope you have something better.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

How about showings of might against other established entities? Thor owning Drax, overpowering and knocking out Surfer, overpowering Annihilus, stalemating Kurse, kicking Mephisto's ass and things of that nature? All more impressive than anything Gladiator has done in my book.


That would derail the thread and give Thor the advantage because he has more appearances and fought more opponents. Yet you can compare all the Glads vs Thor fights, that's ok. Wasn't Thor koed by Glads?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Whatever. I wager that we're done here.



Yes we are but no Thor didn't win, not in my book and I'm not even a real supporter...

BTW here, speed+size and still stopped, though like your Asgard feat or the dimension feat, not alone .

http://img447.imageshack.us/img447/5351/gladssurfer020zn.jpg

please

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Lol @Rage
that's a cheap way and not truthful, i mean you Masterson scans. We should take a closer look.

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Masterson used another hero and a cheapshot to win, but in the scan you showed that they are quals we see that the outcome was in favour of Glads . Scan 4 and 5

And if you want to compare
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Originally posted by Batman-Prime
EDIT:

Lol @Rage
that's a cheap way and not truthful, i mean you Masterson scans. We should take a closer look.

Masterson used another hero and a cheapshot to win, but in the scan you showed that they are quals we see that the outcome was in favour of Glads . Scan 4 and 5


In what way was that cheap or not truthful? Because I didn't post the entire battle? I've done it plenty of times -would have if requested- and everyone along with their mother has read it.

I posted the only scan relevant to this discussion. Masterson Thor matched Gladiator in strength and yet I'd give Thor the edge over Masterson Thor in terms of strength. It's really that simple.

What does posting the entire fight actually change? It certainly doesn't affect my argument. I never claimed that Masterson Thor beat Gladiator straight up without any outside assistance. For the record, what Masterson accomplished with the Living Lightning was something he'd be capable on his own.

Yes, they are equals strength wise. Gladiator however was a much more experienced and battle savy fighter in comparison to Masterson. That was the entire point of the battle.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
And if you want to compare
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/2614/69635314go2.th.jpghttp://img267.imageshack.us/img267/1116/68035310hl6.th.jpghttp://img503.imageshack.us/img503/7400/44701592gn0.th.jpghttp://img507.imageshack.us/img507/8393/92592335wp2.th.jpg

Carver would disapprove, that wasn't the 'real' Gladiator, hence why I didn't post it. I participate in this thread with two particular individuals in mind, hoping that they'll eventually grace us with their presence.

It should be noted that Gladiator exposed a weakness no longer present and was going for the kill while Thor was holding back. For the record, I don't think there's any big gap in strength like some of the people on the other side do. I believe it's within Gladiator's capabilities to knock Thor out -at least with some circumstances present- as he is a peer strength wise. But if push comes to shove, Gladiator is eating dirt one way or another.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
In your mind, does it start at planetary level force?
No, not at all. I think planetary level force is to Heralds what Galaxy level force is to Skyfathers: the high end rather than the bread and butter. I think lifting mountains and such is what should be considered an average Herald feat.

I just think that you showing Thor struggling with a skyscraper and needing Spider-Man's help to support it for more than a few seconds is probably something you should have kept to yourself and hoped that Glad's supporters didn't dig it up. To me struggling to support a skyscraper is something I'd expect from someone like Colossus or Iron Man. Thor should be lifting mountains

The second one, BRB and Thor working together to lift Asgard with some strain is better than the first, and if it was just Thor I'd consider it a good feat.

But its Thor AND BRB. When I see two top tiers working together to lift/move something I expect it to be something really big, much larger than Asgard which while massive doesn't appear to be larger than a good sized mountain. As it stands that feat isn't particularly impressive, at least not by the standards set by things like Superman towing the Earth or Thor wrestling the serpent.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
No, not at all. I think planetary level force is to Heralds what Galaxy level force is to Skyfathers: the high end rather than the bread and butter. I think lifting mountains and such is what should be considered an average Herald feat.

Really? Then I've posted a fair number of feats that you should consider extremely impressive. I'm assuming you lost interest after the first post.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I just think that you showing Thor struggling with a skyscraper and needing Spider-Man's help to support it for more than a few seconds is probably something you should have kept to yourself and hoped that Glad's supporters didn't dig it up. To me struggling to support a skyscraper is something I'd expect from someone like Colossus or Iron Man. Thor should be lifting mountains

Got it. I have no problem with the showing as Thor was weakened/dazed by outside influences at the time.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
The second one, BRB and Thor working together to lift Asgard with some strain is better than the first, and if it was just Thor I'd consider it a good feat.

But its Thor AND BRB. When I see two top tiers working together to lift/move something I expect it to be something really big, much larger than Asgard which while massive doesn't appear to be larger than a good sized mountain.

Meh, Asgard is pretty damn large in regards to size:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/BringsBackAsgard5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/BringsBackAsgard6.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSuperGodSkrull27.jpg

As a result Bill/Thor lifting it without any obvious strain isn't something I have any problem with. It's a decent showing.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
As it stands that feat isn't particularly impressive, at least not by the standards set by things like Superman towing the Earth or Thor wrestling the serpent.

I tried to make it a one up type of debate as if I posted Thor's best, the Gladiator side would not be able to match the feats. Clark has moved a planet -with help, today people love pointing that out- but similar to Thor overpowering the Midgard Serpent, it's pretty much a high end showing. For Clark, you could post the scene from Beyond and perhaps another showing or two, but from there you can only go down in terms of scale.

Based on your response, I'm guessing in terms of showings, you expect me to start on a scale such as this:
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/CatchesPlane1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/CatchesPlane2.jpg

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/SmashMeteor.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsLoki4.jpg

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/LiftsGeorgeWashingtonBridge2.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/CleaveMountain1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/CleaveMountain2.jpg

http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/RagnarokThor13.jpg
http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/RagnarokThor14.jpg
http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/RagnarokThor15.jpg

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsRedNorvell4.jpg

And then end it on a level such as this:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorvsGardner6.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/ThorvsGardner7.jpg

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShakestheHeavens.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/AplanetBuster3.jpg

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WithstandsNeutronStar1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WithstandsNeutronStar2.jpg

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ShatterSmallPlanet.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ArmWrestling3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ArmWrestling4.jpg

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ShattersCelestialArmor1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ShattersCelestialArmor2.jpg

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShatterCosmos1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShatterCosmos2.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine7.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine4.jpg

I'm guessing that's closer to your "Superman" standards? If not, then I'm at a loss as you must know some really good feats that I've not come across. I'm not sure how you feel about claims so I didn't include stuff like it being stated that Thor can bench planets and what not.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm assuming you lost interest after the first post.


Pretty much this. I don't care much for one sided beat downs.

Where are all the Gladiator supporters at? H1n8, Carver? Get in here and prove that physical edge you believe he possesses over Thor.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Pretty much this. I don't care much for one sided beat downs.

They started it.

Does a hammer throw count as physical power?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He was weakened/dazed/disoriented by Mongoose's gas.

So what? Asgard is huge:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/BringsBackAsgard5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/BringsBackAsgard6.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSuperGodSkrull27.jpg

Much more impressive than a single Skyscraper.



Yea, it's not as if Hercules/Thor struck each other with enough force to close a hole in space/time. Whatever, it's fine, I posted other feats more impressive than destroying a planet.

I don't want this to become a debate. Match the feats posted or concede. IMO, nothing Thor has done is more impressive than destroying a planet with a few punches. Not even the midgard Serpent feat.

Originally posted by h1a8
IMO, nothing Thor has done is more impressive than destroying a planet with a few punches. Not even the midgard Serpent feat.

No calculations?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Does a hammer throw count as physical power?

I don't see why not, but you'd have to ask the thread starter to be certain.

Originally posted by h1a8
IMO, nothing Thor has done is more impressive than destroying a planet with a few punches. Not even the midgard Serpent feat.



This is about the best defense the Gladiator side has. It's pretty pathetic tbh.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


This is about the best defense the Gladiator side has. It's pretty pathetic tbh. Yeah but it's fantastic as hell. I can't imagine Thor doing anything like that with his fists. But I can imagine Glads doing anything Thor has done strength wise.

Well if it does count I have something that would totally blow away the Gladiator planet feat

mhmm

What are you referring to? Meh, just post it.

Originally posted by h1a8
Yeah but it's fantastic as hell. I can't imagine Thor doing anything like that with his fists. But I can imagine Glads doing anything Thor has done strength wise.

And that's what we call bias.

Not until I know if it's allowed or not

Iight, then tell me what scene you're referring to. Or PM if you must.

Not for anything some of those Thor scans are nothing but hyperbole. I mean we see the narrator or Thor or whoever claiming "planet busting" power but we don't see it on panel, unlike with the Gladiator scans.

Also re : the sky skyscraper feats, Gladiator's skyscraper is fully constructed while Thor's is mostly steel beams and Thor was struggling. Think about how many thousands (tens of thousands?) of tons more weight would have been added to the building had it been covered with concrete and brick like Glads skyscraper was? Also Thor needed Spider-man's help, Gladiator needed no help.

Thor had BRB's help lifting Asgard, Gladiator had no help moving that massive Shi'ar space station loaded with god knows how much tons of weapons on his kamikaze run and he did it at superspeed.

was thor tugging hydro base posted yet?

Originally posted by zopzop
Not for anything some of those Thor scans are nothing but hyperbole. I mean we see the narrator or Thor or whoever claiming "planet busting" power but we don't see it on panel, unlike with the Gladiator scans.

Also re : the sky skyscraper feats, Gladiator's skyscraper is fully constructed while Thor's is mostly steel beams and Thor was struggling. Think about how many thousands (tens of thousands?) of tons more weight would have been added to the building had it been covered with concrete and brick like Glads skyscraper was? Also Thor needed Spider-man's help, Gladiator needed no help.

Thor had BRB's help lifting Asgard, Gladiator had no help moving that massive Shi'ar space station loaded with god knows how much tons of weapons on his kamikaze run and he did it at superspeed.

I guess dividing my post up into sections was pointless.

If you don't think Thor's Skyscraper feat (Thor was affected by outside factors during the showing, hence the struggle) is as impressive as Gladiator's, then Thor/Bill lifting Asgard easily trumps it. Asgard is a city.

And in turn, the Midgard Serpent feat is easily more impressive strength wise than moving the Shi'ar vessel. The ship was stated to be as big as a complex or what have you, while the Serpent encircled the entire planet.

For the record, I'm pretty sure the ship had some type of thrusters -I remember them taking off from the planet- it is a star ship after all. Said feat also took all of the power at his command, and I believe it's worth noting that he died in the explosion which IIRC destroyed a mountain or something.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
was thor tugging hydro base posted yet?
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/TowIsland1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/TowIsland2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/TowIsland3.jpg

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/DestroyPortal1.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/DestroyPortal2.jpg
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/DestroyPortal3.jpg

You see those large balls of fire circling the portal? Those are Stars.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I guess dividing my post up into sections was pointless.

If you don't think Thor's Skyscraper feat (Thor was affected by outside factors during the showing, hence the struggle) is as impressive as Gladiator's, then Thor/Bill lifting Asgard easily trumps it. Asgard is a city.

And in turn, the Midgard Serpent feat is easily more impressive strength wise than moving the Shi'ar vessel. The ship was stated to be as big as a complex or what have you, while the Serpent encircled the entire planet.

For the record, I'm pretty sure the ship had some type of thrusters -I remember them taking off from the planet- it is a star ship after all. Said feat also took all of the power at his command, and I believe it's worth noting that he died in the explosion which IIRC destroyed a mountain or something.


http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/TowIsland1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/TowIsland2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/TowIsland3.jpg

Rage, Thor AND BRB lifting something isn't the same as Thor lifting it by himself no?

The skyscraper feat, even assuming Thor was affected by the gas, still pales to Gladiator's feat because Thor's skyscraper was "bare-bones" it wasn't fully constructed. Gladiator's had THOUSANDS of tons of concrete and other material adding to it's weight because it was fully constructed.

The Midgard Serpent feat is awesome and no one is taking away from that.

It should be noted that the Hydro Base feat, while nice, isn't all it's cracked up to be; since Hydro Base is a floating island. All Thor was doing was pulling it along. It's like those little tugboats that pull those huge @$$ ships. The water is carrying the weight, the tugboats are just providing the thrust.

Originally posted by zopzop
Rage, Thor AND BRB lifting something isn't the same as Thor lifting it by himself no?

Did I ever say otherwise? If you cut the weight of Asgard in half, it's still easily more impressive than lifting a single Skyscraper. That's the entire point.

Originally posted by zopzop
The skyscraper feat, even assuming Thor was affected by the gas, still pales to Gladiator's feat because Thor's skyscraper was "bare-bones" it wasn't fully constructed. Gladiator's had THOUSANDS of tons of concrete and other material adding to it's weight because it was fully constructed.

The Midgard Serpent feat is awesome and no one is taking away from that.

If you think it's noticeably less impressive, then you can use the Asgard scene. It's why I posted both, as I was unsure.

Originally posted by zopzop
It should be noted that the Hydro Base feat, while nice, isn't all it's cracked up to be; since Hydro Base is a floating island. All Thor was doing was pulling it along. It's like those little tugboats that pull those huge @$$ ships. The water is carrying the weight, the tugboats are just providing the thrust.

I only posted the scene because PG inquired about it. I'm not using it as any evidence.

Not sure if this was posted or not, but doesn't Thor have a feat where he pushes down a pillar with his legs and the narration claims its hundreds of tons? Small stuff in comparison to what he's done before, but it's a nice leg strength feat, I'd wager.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/MillionTonArchRock.jpg

Is that the one? It was a million tons by the way.

Yeah, pretty sure that was it. It was def Kirby/Lee era Thor.

I'd wager that's the scene you're referring to. No other moment springs to mind.

Can we now safely conclude that in terms of feats, Gladiator has failed in matching Thor much less proving that he's about twice as strong as an individual has claimed?

As far as I can tell, Gladiator's best showings are lifting a Skyscraper, moving a Shi'ar Starship and destroying a planet. He also claimed that he could move a planet and collapse a Star I believe. Impressive no doubt, but Thor has him beat.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Can we now safely conclude that in terms of feats, Gladiator has failed miserably in matching Thor much less proving that he's about twice as strong as an individual has claimed?

As far as I can tell, Gladiator's best showings are lifting a Skyscraper, moving a Shi'ar Starship and destroying a planet. Impressive, but simply not on the same level.

Actually... They do kind of seem on the same level. I like this thread mostly because it's so one-sided, but I haven't seen anything that puts Thor in a different class. At best it simply combats the notion that Glads is on a different level.

I've never argued that Thor is noticeably stronger than Gladiator -although I'd give him the edge- but the other side has been determined in arguing that Gladiator has the edge. I honestly don't see how anyone could argue that Thor is not at least his physical equal.

In regards to feats, the World Engine feat, rocking entities like Surtur, busting through Celestial armor, destroying -with aid from Bill- an object noticeably larger than Stars, striking power -with Mjolnir- on a Universal scale etc. is all far more impressive than destroying a single planet with a few all out strikes, which is about Gladiator's best feat. Thor resisting the gravity of a Neutron Star alone is on par with Gladiator's best feat in my book. From there, he can go higher, Gladiator can't.

Frankly, Thor stalemating the Hulk for extended periods in strength or an entity like Kurse when enraged is at least as impressive as anything Gladiator has done in my book.

I'm sorry, but destroying a planet just isn't that impressive to me. Drax destroyed a planet in a clash with Thanos and ripped apart a Star. Captain Marvell held his own against this Drax IIRC and yet despite being noticeably amped, was getting his ass handed to him by Thor not too long afterward.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I've never argued that Thor is noticeably stronger than Gladiator -although I'd give him the edge- but the other side has been determined in arguing that Gladiator has the edge. I honestly don't see how anyone could argue that Thor is not at least his physical equal.

In regards to feats, the World Engine feat, rocking entities like Surtur, busting through Celestial armor, destroying -with aid from Bill- an object noticeably larger than Stars, striking power -with Mjolnir- on a Universal scale etc. is all far more impressive than destroying a planet, which is about Gladiator's best feat.

Dude the majority of the stuff you mentioned isn't because of Thor's personal power but Mjolnir's. This isn't Mjolnir feats vs Gladiator feats. It's Thor's strength feats vs Gladiator's strength feats.

PS quick question, that Thor vs Midgard Serpent thing, what issue did it take place in? And are you arguing that Thor lifted the thing? Or merely dislodged it from the Earth?

Originally posted by zopzop
Dude the majority of the stuff you mentioned isn't because of Thor's personal power but Mjolnir's. This isn't Mjolnir feats vs Gladiator feats. It's Thor's strength feats vs Gladiator's strength feats.

PS quick question, that Thor vs Midgard Serpent thing, what issue did it take place in? And are you arguing that Thor lifted the thing? Or merely dislodged it from the Earth?

Unfortunately, Gladiator's second major supporter claimed that Thor can't match him even with Mjolnir so for this particular thread -as it was created with him in mind- I'm not making any distinction.

For the record, out of the scenes mentioned, I'd argue that only the last one had Mjolnir providing a noticeably larger amount of force.

Thor #327. My take is the one supported by the scans: He overpowered, dislodged and pulled/lifted the Serpent away from the Earth.

If you want a scene of pure lifting, while weakened, he was able to lift the foot of a more powerful version of the Midgard Serpent. The Serpent had compressed his entire body into a much smaller form -Fing Fang Foom- so it's still very uber.

Originally posted by zopzop
Dude the majority of the stuff you mentioned isn't because of Thor's personal power but Mjolnir's. This isn't Mjolnir feats vs Gladiator feats. It's Thor's strength feats vs Gladiator's strength feats.


wouldn't that be akin to saying Iron Man is a base level human because everything he can do is only because of his armour?

Like, "Iron Man can't lift more than Spider-Man, its just his armour"

Mjolnir is a pretty integral part of Thor... It'd be like saying Pumpkin Bombs aren't to be taken into account when discussing Green Goblin...

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


In what way was that cheap or not truthful? Because I didn't post the entire battle? I've done it plenty of times -would have if requested- and everyone along with their mother has read it.



It was cheap because you didn't show the outcome of this "strength"-duel, in which Gladiator seemed superior, when you look at it. You didn't show that he actually won and send Masterson flying.
Further you put up a scan where Loki says that Thor is 10 times stronger. Even Masterson is aware that Loki, the god of lies and mischief, tries to demoralize him.
Not enough, after it you show a scan where Masterson ASSUMES that Thor is stronger and where Thor shows his h2h superiority.

So Rage, truth be told, what did you want to imply?

Cheap.

And not everyone remembers the battle, so when you post a duel where the combatants vanish from view, post the outcome.
Glads was superior to Masterson, he teached him a lesson.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

I posted the only scan relevant to this discussion. Masterson Thor matched Gladiator in strength and yet I'd give Thor the edge over Masterson Thor in terms of strength. It's really that simple.



No you didn't. You posted the scan that suited your case and didn't bother to show how it ended (Masterson flying, he was weaker it seems). And even then, you didn't post the only scan you deemed relevant, you posted two more, which are more irrelevant then the second scan of the Glads vs Masterson fight.

It's really that simple.


Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

What does posting the entire fight actually change? It certainly doesn't affect my argument. I never claimed that Masterson Thor beat Gladiator straight up without any outside assistance. For the record, what Masterson accomplished with the Living Lightning was something he'd be capable on his own.



Already explained the fault in your argumentation.
Masterson, as you can see in the scans I posted, already send a blast at Glads, which Glads tanked quite easy. So no he couldn't have accomplish it without the Living Lightning, else he would have done it.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Yes, they are equals strength wise. Gladiator however was a much more experienced and battle savy fighter in comparison to Masterson. That was the entire point of the battle.


Glads was stronger and the better fighter. That's how it looked to me.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Carver would disapprove, that wasn't the 'real' Gladiator, hence why I didn't post it. I participate in this thread with two particular individuals in mind, hoping that they'll eventually grace us with their presence.


What two individuals? Carver and h18?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

It should be noted that Gladiator exposed a weakness no longer present and was going for the kill while Thor was holding back. For the record, I don't think there's any big gap in strength like some of the people on the other side do. I believe it's within Gladiator's capabilities to knock Thor out -at least with some circumstances present- as he is a peer strength wise. But if push comes to shove, Gladiator is eating dirt one way or another.

I think that they are quite even too. Though it should always end 5/10. Strengthwise I wasn't sure if they are peers. I assumed it but well, seeing the feats and the lack of feats of a char like Thor, who has more showings on his belt then Glads, much much more showings, is quite disappointing. Because the 3 main stregth feats of Glads are uber. The best I saw from Thor till now was the Midgard serpent, and yes it's enough.

Has anyone actually posted this amazing planet destroying feat yet?

I've heard it talked about all the time but have never actually seen it.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Has anyone actually posted this amazing planet destroying feat yet?

I've heard it talked about all the time but have never actually seen it.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/29279/624540-solarsystem051ws_super.jpg

I do find it amusing that Gladiator's second biggest supporter claims that Bill destroying a planetary body isn't as impressive as we don't know it's actual size but loves this feat.

Originally posted by inimalist
wouldn't that be akin to saying Iron Man is a base level human because everything he can do is only because of his armour?

Like, "Iron Man can't lift more than Spider-Man, its just his armour"

Mjolnir is a pretty integral part of Thor... It'd be like saying Pumpkin Bombs aren't to be taken into account when discussing Green Goblin...

Wrong. A better example would be : The Silver Surfer and his surfboard. It is an integral part of him, if it's destroyed he can recreate it at will. He doesn't have to go running off to Galactus or need any outside assistance.

Daddy Warbucks created Mjolnir. If it's destroyed, Thor can't recreate it on a whim. Thor didn't enchant that hammer, Daddy did.

In the case of Tony's armor, sure he created it, but it's not a part of him. Tony's genius is what is behind his super powers since ultimately that's what is an integral part of him.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/29279/624540-solarsystem051ws_super.jpg

I do find it amusing that Gladiator's second biggest supporter claims that Bill destroying a planetary body isn't as impressive as we don't know it's actual size but loves this feat.

Did Bill destroy it under his own power? Or did he use a skyfather level artifact called Storm Breaker to do it?

Originally posted by zopzop
Wrong. A better example would be : The Silver Surfer and his surfboard. It is an integral part of him, if it's destroyed he can recreate it at will. He doesn't have to go running off to Galactus or need any outside assistance.

Daddy Warbucks created Mjolnir. If it's destroyed, Thor can't recreate it on a whim. Thor didn't enchant that hammer, Daddy did.

In the case of Tony's armor, sure he created it, but it's not a part of him. Tony's genius is what is behind his super powers since ultimately that's what is an integral part of him.

wut.....?

Originally posted by inimalist
wut.....?

Mjolnir isn't a part of Thor, it's "standard equipment". An example of this would be Wonder Woman's Bracers or her Lasso. Or Beta Ray Bill's Stormbreaker.

Thor, Wonder Woman, or Bill didn't create or enchant any of those items and if destroyed they can't just re-create them. When Odin died fighting the Celestials, whoops! There goes all the enchantments he placed on the Hammer! When Mjolnir shattered while breaking Exitar's skull, whoops! There goes the entire hammer! When the hammer broke a third time, Dr. Strange was needed to siphon the Odinforce from Thor and used it to repair Mjolnir. All three times, Thor was FUGGED until on outside agency repaired the hammer.

In the case of Iron Man's armor, sure it's not a part of Tony (it's standard equipment) but it doesn't have to be. Since Tony's REAL power is his mind, the genius that created the IM armor in the first place, IS a part of him. If the IM armor is destroyed, Tony recreates it and no one else using nothing but his genius and whatever materials he needs.

The Silver Surfer's Board is integral to the character. It's been destroyed a few times but the Surfer himself recreated it. He didn't need to run to Galactus or another being to do so. When Stranger melted the board under the Surfer's feet, the Surfer recreated his board on a whim.

impressive cartwheels

Originally posted by inimalist
impressive cartwheels

Not so impressive reading comprehension skills from you as always. Mjolnir is Thor's "standard equipment" and nothing more. Or are you forgetting the time he fought BRB and Bill got Mjolnir away from him, Thor was fugged no? You know why? Because Mjolnir isn't a part of Thor at all. Thor's sugar daddy enchanted the hammer and among the enchantments were one stating that anyone worthy may wield the hammer. Thor couldn't do jack about it because Thor didn't create the hammer OR enchant the hammer.

Back to thread...

Thor with Mjolnir (a skyfather level artifact) >>>>>>>>>Gladiator. Anyone who disputes that is insane.

The whole reason I even brought it up was because a good portion of the scans Rage used were Mjolnir owning sh-t. Then he told me, the person he was debating stated that even Thor with Mjolnir didn't have the "strength" feats Gladiator did. That person is obviously insane.

In terms of lifting feats we have :

Gladiator lifting the Baxter Building vs Thor lifting an unfinished skyscraper. Gladiator had the better showing.

Then we have Thor and BRB lifting Asgard vs Gladiator heaving the Shi'ar space station loaded with weapons. Inconclusive because we don't know the size of the Shi'ar space station or the weight of the weapons on it plus Thor had help lifting Asgard.

Next we have Thor tugging the Midgard Serpent off the planet but we have nothing now for Gladiator. Pulverizing a planet with your bare hands isn't a quantifiable strength feat (what are you lifting, dragging, etc...?). Thor wins.

Thor wins the feats of strength contest.

Now if you are going to include everything Thor's done with Mjolnir into this, this thread is spite vs Gladiator.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Oh really? This will be interesting.


Maybe.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Then you need to get your eyes checked.


Already did.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

The ship was large, I know that. I have no idea how big, which is why I ranked it on par with the Asgard feat.


It's the size of a city. I don't have a scanner anymore but I can make a Photo for you with my phone, tonight and upload it, where you can see it. A large citylike complex. And it's full of millions of tons of weapons. Let's say it's on par, so calm down.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Now you’re just being dishonest. I didn’t fail to match the feats you posted, what’s wrong with you?


Actually you did. Wait, I will explain it to you in the end, a summary, just for you, it will be...wait for it... interesting.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

I’m tired of this crap. Here’s my reply to your initial post:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=551447&pagenumber=1#post13422341


You don't have to become angry just because I disagree with you. Just a game, calm down.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

You showed Gladiator lifting a Skyscraper, and I replied with Thor lifting a Skyscraper along with lifting Asgard. Is that not correct?


Yes a lesser Skyscraper feat as for the Asgard feat, it belongs to the Ship feat, that would be the right way to compare. Understand it? And still the Asgard feat was not as good because BRB was there. But read the summary.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

You showed Gladiator moving a large ship, and I replied with Thor moving the Midgard Serpent. Is that not correct?


Yes and this is where I should put something to match it. Something like Glads moving a moon or a Planet. Not only hyperbole, which I did like you did previously, though I don't think it's sufficient.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

YES OR NO?.


Relax. You will get a stroke .

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

This is why I’m favoring battlezones more and more. You have a set number of posts, and bullshit won’t fly.


Yet it flies, from your direction to be honest. Again, it's all in the summary. But I don't want to further anger you. You need to calm down your Rage.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Yet moments ago you were arguing that the scans I posted were hyperbole and so were invalid.


I did, like I do with the Glads hyperbole.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Gladiator can move planets at will? Cool.


Most likely.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Thor can resist the gravity of a Neutron Star:
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WithstandsNeutronStar1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WithstandsNeutronStar2.jpg


Impressive, durability. Still, resisting the gravity of a star even a neutron star is not the same as pulling or lifting one, is it?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Thor can resist his weight multiplied infinitely:
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ResistsGraviton1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ResistsGraviton2.jpg


Impressive. It should crush every bone of Thor and of all the other Asgardians who were affected... wait, the others are fine too! Hyperbole? I'm not sure, still impressive. Though he didn't lift anything but himself with higher gravity.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


Either you clearly haven’t been being attention or you’re just being dishonest.


I have looked at your scan and didn't see anything compareable to Glads feats, just the one superior Midgard serpent feat (and even one could bother to argue it). And no stryking feat on par with the planet buster that didn't include Mjolnir.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

crylaugh Ah, the smell of desperation.


If i would be desperate i would post the Marvel Handbook entry, that rates Glads strength as incalculable while listing Thors strength as Class 100. But I don't, it doesn't matter to me .
Though I'm surprised to see you enraged.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


Uhuh.


uhuh

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


A great deal of the time, writers use Mjolnir as a substitute for his fists. It makes no difference to me if you want to disregard feats involving it. Just as long as you know that most of the time, if Thor dropped Mjolnir, he’d be able to achieve the same level of striking power.


No he wouldn't, now you talk BullSh!t and you know it. He could break the Armor of an Celestial with his fists? Masterson and Drago could send schockwaves through the galaxy with their fists? Give me a break. shit

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

That’s an extremely stupid thing to say. Do you think if I gave Wonder Woman Mjolnir, she’d be able to accomplish what Thor has? It’s Thor’s might that provides most of the force for throws and what not unless there's a noticeable charge.


She would accomplish more, she would gain Thors powers after all +. Well, when Superman couldn't break through the forcefield of Krona, he got Mjolnir and it enchanced his striking power to accomplish this task, didn't it?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Regardless, I’ll continue to post feats involving it. You don’t have to reply to them. Hell, you haven’t been actually replying to feats at all.


Mjolnir strikes >>> Thor's punches. Accept it. I can hit you with a hammer and with my fist, what would hurt more. Jesus. This isn't even arguable.

I have, that's why you are so pissed? Because I don't accept your "feats" like you want me to. Because, truth be told, they aren't worth what you want them to be.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

You posted three feats, saw that you lacked any other showings and as a result are attempting to derail the whole thread with this pointless discussion.


On the contrary. I posted 3 feats and saw that it's not neccessary to post more, as you failed to match them. For the lone exception of the midgard serpent, which I admitted is a superior lifting feat.

As for striking feats. Thor didn't do anything as impressive with his FISTS.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

On what grounds do you argue that planet destroying is superior? Have you done the math? There’s a reason why I placed them on the same level, because they’re both ambiguous feats on relatively the same scale of power. As stated, Thor/Hercules had the power to wreck worlds.


Wreck worlds... in what time? And you could argue that the Planet was the smallest size possible, like Pluto or the size of our moon, but it's about it. However, the dimension feat however is really ambiguous and it wasn't even accomplished by Thor alone .

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

I have a feeling that if Thor lifted Mount Everest with assistance from Spider-Man, you’d try to invalidate it by saying he had help. Who cares if Hercules aided him? He’s a physical peer and Gladiator destroyed the planet with 4 all out blows. Christ.


You don't like it because you lack other, more valid, feats?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

For the record, Thor can affect space/time with his own strength/might:
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShattersReality1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShattersReality2.jpg


Mjolnir... bored

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/29279/624540-solarsystem051ws_super.jpg

I do find it amusing that Gladiator's second biggest supporter claims that Bill destroying a planetary body isn't as impressive as we don't know it's actual size but loves this feat.
Hmm...so it once contained a race?

Well assuming that holding a civilization necessitates an atmosphere then that just means that the planet in question is bigger than Earth's moon.

I have no idea why I see Glad supporters stating that the planet was "twice the size of Earth"

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Hmm...so it once contained a race?

Well assuming that holding a civilization necessitates an atmosphere then that just means that the planet in question is bigger than Earth's moon.


Much larger actually. At least Mars size, and Mars is the minimum because, even Mars only has a wisp thin atmosphere. Any planet capable of sustaining intelligent life is gonna need a lot more than that. Large moons like Saturn's Titan are only able to accomplish it because it's so far from the Sun that the extreme cold slows it's atmospheric losses.

Originally posted by zopzop
Not so impressive reading comprehension skills from you as always. Mjolnir is Thor's "standard equipment" and nothing more. Or are you forgetting the time he fought BRB and Bill got Mjolnir away from him, Thor was fugged no? You know why? Because Mjolnir isn't a part of Thor at all. Thor's sugar daddy enchanted the hammer and among the enchantments were one stating that anyone worthy may wield the hammer. Thor couldn't do jack about it because Thor didn't create the hammer OR enchant the hammer.

so, when talking about any GL, we are to consider them without their rings

when talking about spiderman, we are to consider him without his spider powers

when talking about cap, we consider him without his SSS?

when talking about Man-Thing, we still consider him to be Ted Sallis?

lol, like I said, interesting cartwheels, but you clearly haven't extended this logic beyond wanted to crap on Thor...

Originally posted by inimalist
so, when talking about any GL, we are to consider them without their rings

when talking about spiderman, we are to consider him without his spider powers

when talking about cap, we consider him without his SSS?

when talking about Man-Thing, we still consider him to be Ted Sallis?

lol, like I said, interesting cartwheels, but you clearly haven't extended this logic beyond wanted to crap on Thor...

Captain America's shield is a part of him? You telling me Batman or Bucky can't pick it up and start using it?

Spider man's powers are INNATE to him ever since the radioactive spider bite. His web shooters aren't. Anyone can use them.

Going back to your "examples", the Super Soldier Serum and the abilities it gave Captain America are innate to him now. But his shield is not. It's his standard equipment.

lol, seriously, I quit at life

Originally posted by zopzop
Much larger actually. At least Mars size, and Mars is the minimum because, even Mars only has a wisp thin atmosphere. Any planet capable of sustaining intelligent life is gonna need a lot more than that. Large moons like Saturn's Titan are only able to accomplish it because it's so far from the Sun that the extreme cold slows it's atmospheric losses.
Eh. I said "assuming an atmosphere is required". The race could have been anaerobic and resilient to cosmic radiation and other things that would make an atmosphere unnecessary to fostering life.

I think there's a lot of guess work that makes that feat not necessarily totally unquantifiable (I think we can all agree its an impressive feat, certainly the best that Gladiator has) but very difficult to reliably quantify. And there's absolutely no reason to suggest its bigger than Earth or even as big IMO.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Eh. I said "assuming an atmosphere is required". The race could have been anaerobic and resilient to cosmic radiation and other things that would make an atmosphere unnecessary to fostering life.

I think there's a lot of guess work that makes that feat not necessarily totally unquantifiable (I think we can all agree its an impressive feat, certainly the best that Gladiator has) but very difficult to reliably quantify. And there's absolutely no reason to suggest its bigger than Earth or even as big IMO.

The very fact that it was called a planet and not planetoid or dwarf planet would seem to suggest a large size.

Originally posted by zopzop
The very fact that it was called a planet and not planetoid or dwarf planet would seem to suggest a large size.
Dwarf planet wasn't really a common term back then, it came into common usage in the last 5-10 years with the Pluto thing.

I don't think that's a solid argument either, it's still subjective and still renders the feat difficult to quantify.

Originally posted by zopzop
The very fact that it was called a planet and not planetoid or dwarf planet would seem to suggest a large size.

that is true, as most comics are reviewed by astrophysicists prior to publication

Originally posted by inimalist
that is true, as most comics are reviewed by astrophysicists prior to publication

Yes genius, I mean I can't understand why the writer used the word PLANET instead of something like moon or asteroid or planetoid. The average comic book reader would see the word "PLANET" and think something like the Earth in size which is probably what the writer wanted to convey otherwise he'd of used a different word or used a descriptive like "small" if he wanted to mean the PLANET wasn't as large as your "typical" ie Earth-sized world (you know what the average reader of comics would assume).

Thinking hurts you doesn't it?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Dwarf planet wasn't really a common term back then, it came into common usage in the last 5-10 years with the Pluto thing.

I don't think that's a solid argument either, it's still subjective and still renders the feat difficult to quantify.

Were the words planetoid, moon, asteroid, "small", and "large" around then? Because if the writer didn't mean to convey a roughly Earth sized planet he could have used any of those words to get that point across.

If the PLANET was capable of sustaining intelligent life, it would have to have :
an atmosphere of some kind
sufficient gravity to allow life to evolve and retain the atmosphere if the planet was close to it's parent star

There's more but those are the basics. The narration made it clear that world had intelligent life at one point but they had since moved on. So...

Originally posted by zopzop
Yes genius, I mean I can't understand why the writer used the word PLANET instead of something like moon or asteroid or planetoid. The average comic book reader would see the word "PLANET" and think something like the Earth in size which is probably what the writer wanted to convey otherwise he'd of used a different word or used a descriptive like "small" if he wanted to mean the PLANET wasn't as large as your "typical" ie Earth-sized world (you know what the average reader of comics would assume).

10 points to anyone who sees why this logic is self-refuting

the other side, and I can give you examples if you want, is that comics are not written with that level of specificity or fact checking put into it. The writers are not going through it with the fine tooth comb that forum people do. I've got other examples if you are interested where, unarguably, writers and editors are not as sophisticated as you think. There is certainly no reason to think their writing is anything close to a reflection of modern science . seriously, I lol'd for real

Originally posted by zopzop
Thinking hurts you doesn't it?

if you are older than 15 this isn't age appropriate

Originally posted by zopzop
If the PLANET was capable of sustaining intelligent life, it would have to have :
an atmosphere of some kind
sufficient gravity to allow life to evolve and retain the atmosphere if the planet was close to it's parent star

so what you are saying is the writer and editor sent some equations off to NASA in order to make sure that all of their calculations and art were in accordance with cutting edge understandings of astrophysics?

what would they call a planet the size of Jupiter? or a moon the size of earth?

Originally posted by inimalist
10 points to anyone who sees why this logic is self-refuting

the other side, and I can give you examples if you want, is that comics are not written with that level of specificity or fact checking put into it. The writers are not going through it with the fine tooth comb that forum people do. I've got other examples if you are interested where, unarguably, writers and editors are not as sophisticated as you think. There is certainly no reason to think their writing is anything close to a reflection of modern science . seriously, I lol'd for real



Then why use the word planet? The writer also made it clear that the planet was capable of sustaining life and intelligent life did evolve there before moving on.

The average reader would assume PLANET meant Earth-like PLANET.

Otherwise the writer could have said "planetoid" or "small" planet. Or why bother and just say asteroid or moon?

He specifically used the word PLANET because he wanted to show Gladiator as capable of destroying A PLANET. Not a moon, not an asteroid, not a "small" planet, not a planetoid, a PLANET.

Originally posted by inimalist

so what you are saying is the writer and editor sent some equations off to NASA in order to make sure that all of their calculations and art were in accordance with cutting edge understandings of astrophysics?

what would they call a planet the size of Jupiter? or a moon the size of earth?

First, of all, do you have an example of a "moon" the size of Earth?

Jupiter is a....wait for it................."LARGE" P L A N E T. Saturn, Uranus, Neptune are "L A R G E" "P L A N E T S".

Mars, Mercury, Pluto (back in the day when they thought it was slightly larger than Mercury) are..........wait for it..............."S M A L L" "P L A N E T S"

Earth and Venus are.................."P L A N E T S". What are we using as a metric for "large and small"? Earth of course.

... because it was a planet?

Originally posted by zopzop
First, of all, do you have an example of a "moon" the size of Earth?

Jupiter is a....wait for it................."LARGE" P L A N E T. Saturn, Uranus, Neptune are "L A R G E" "P L A N E T S".

Mars, Mercury, Pluto (back in the day when they thought it was slightly larger than Mercury) are..........wait for it..............."S M A L L" "P L A N E T S"

Earth and Venus are.................."P L A N E T S". What are we using as a metric for "large and small"? Earth of course.

why? because it supports your point? or because this is spelled out somewhere in comics?

Originally posted by inimalist
... because it was a planet?

Planet (especially one that had intelligent life evolve on it), without a descriptive such as "large" or "small", meant what to the average comic book reader or writer in the 80s? Earth sized no?

Originally posted by inimalist
why? because it supports your point? or because this is spelled out somewhere in comics?

No genius because we use the Earth as a metric. Worlds larger than our planet are considered "LARGE PLANETS" worlds smaller than Earth we consider "SMALL PLANETS". Worlds the size of our planet like Venus don't have either descriptor because Venus is roughly Earth sized.

Originally posted by zopzop
Planet (especially one that had intelligent life evolve on it), without a descriptive such as "large" or "small", meant what to the average comic book reader or writer in the 80s? Earth sized no?

what, in my opinion? no... especially in the practice of debating things on forums, such things are indeterminate and likely not as "scientific" as you want it to be

could that be what the author meant? sure, but without anything else to corroborate it, there is no reason to think it means earth sized over any other size of planet.

Originally posted by zopzop
No genius because we use the Earth as a metric. Worlds larger than our planet are considered "LARGE PLANETS" worlds smaller than Earth we consider "SMALL PLANETS". Worlds the size of our planet like Venus don't have either descriptor because Venus is roughly Earth sized.

based on?

Originally posted by inimalist
based on?

Based on the fact that we live on the freaking planet Earth and it's our point of reference? What do they mean when they say Venus is .7 AU from the Sun (aka .7 Astronomical Units)? They are using EARTH as the metric and the metric is set at 1 AU from the Sun for Earth.

Since we live on the god damn planet, it's only natural we use it as our metric when comparing other worlds to it.

Originally posted by zopzop
Based on the fact that we live on the freaking planet Earth and it's our point of reference? What do they mean when they say Venus is .7 AU from the Sun (aka .7 Astronomical Units)? They are using EARTH as the metric and the metric is set at 1 AU from the Sun for Earth.

Since we live on the god damn planet, it's only natural we use it as our metric when comparing other worlds to it.

so, you appeal to science, yet are trying to argue that this isn't as sophisticated as science, again to reaffirm the point that writers would use scientific terminology...

you are must be correct, I lack the ability to comprehend what you write

Originally posted by inimalist
so, you appeal to science, yet are trying to argue that this isn't as sophisticated as science, again to reaffirm the point that writers would use scientific terminology...

you are must be correct, I lack the ability to comprehend what you write

No idiot, he used the term "Planet" without a descriptive like "small" or "large" because the writer knew most SANE readers would see the word PLANET (one that supported intelligent life as mentioned on panel) and use Earth as a frame of reference. Since you know ALL who read the comic were from the planet Earth.

Originally posted by zopzop
No idiot,

convinced me

Originally posted by inimalist
convinced me

I can already see it's pointless.

nono, insult me a couple more times, I think you've almost acted like a child enough to make a good point

Originally posted by inimalist
nono, insult me a couple more times, I think you've almost acted like a child enough to make a good point

Even that's pointless.

Originally posted by zopzop
Even that's pointless.

no, really, you were almost there

another slight about reading comprehension, or call me dumb, you know, the type of stuff that proves you have a good point. you are almost there!!!!

Hmm I think he has a point when you and someone cant reach an agreement on a particular subject I think it's only natural to call them an idiot.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Hmm I think he has a point when you and someone cant reach an agreement on a particular subject I think it's only natural to call them an idiot.

natural? yes, maybe for children who have no sense of civil discourse.....

Originally posted by inimalist
natural? yes, maybe for children who have no sense of civil discourse.....

Or when dealing with an actual idiot?

Originally posted by zopzop
Or when dealing with an actual idiot?

see, like I said, you are so very close to proving your point

once more should do it. Ya, I'd think that would totally allay any differences of opinion

Originally posted by inimalist
see, like I said, you are so very close to proving your point

once more should do it. Ya, I'd think that would totally allay any differences of opinion

Nah, I'm done with you. Enjoy.

oh man, please, it was just getting good

I'm going to miss our talks ZZ

you guys should take your act on the road.

anyway, i DO think planet likely meant 'earth-ish' as that is the prototypical 'planet', or smaller. don't really know that a terrestrial planet can attain anything even close to jupiter. thought there was something about the creation process that made planets that large gaseous. may be wrong--been a while since my astronomy days. it is certainly ambiguous, and as such open entriely to opinion--ie, there is no definitive correct answer. i think everyone agrees it is a pretty impressive feat though.

as for the 'match-up'? difficult to call imo. i always believed they were peers, so i'm not surprised no one seems to have really outdone the other. could thor have smashed that planet in the same number of shots using his fists? not sure. maybe. could glads have pulled the serpent free? maybe. does the ship=asgard? probably imo--could be MORE impressive consider he flew it under his own power (i believe) so fast that thor lost sight of him. thor's reaction is telling as well--his power beggared description. very high praise from thor.

in all, there weren't as many uber strength feats from thor as i'd thought i might see. some could combo stuff, some good hammer stuff, but pure strength feats? the top ones are close enough though that i can't see anyway someone could say glads is CLEARLY stronger. nor to be fair can i say thor is CLEARLY stronger. not enough to make a difference in a battle, that's for sure.

entertaining as this was, i really can't believe carver never even made an APPEAREANCE in this thread. this was glads' time to shine! a chance to show all the masses what he's really made of! alas, i guess we're stuck with what we all already knew. pitiful really, after all that talk.....

c'est la vie.

As far as I can tell, Gladiator's best feats are:

a)
b)
c)

Thor's best feats -without any usage of Mjolnir- are:

a)
b)
c)

Tried to not include scenes that people may b*tch about as hyperbole. I don't know, I'm biased, but I honestly find Thor's collection to be more noticeably more impressive than Gladiator's. The only category he doesn't have too many impressive feats in is striking power in regards to scale, but that's simply comes with the territory of carrying a hammer.

Not including performances or showings related to other opponents like Hulk, Kurse, Drax, Surfer and so on doesn't help the situation. I find owning Drax, stalemating Hulk for hours and so on to be noticeably more impressive than something like destroying a planet.

Gladiator moves massive asteroid in space super fast.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/Gladiator/GladHearing.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I find owning Drax, stalemating Hulk for hours and so on to be noticeably more impressive than something like destroying a planet.

as do i tbh.

Unfortunately, the fall back argument of Gladiator having not as many appearances quickly came up and not wanting to derail the discussion any further, I stopped pushing them. I personally call it bullshit as Gladiator has battled high end opponents many times. If he was stronger than Thor, it would have been made evident.

For the record, I consider them -and other high end strong men- to be peers more or less. But when push comes to shove, Thor can step it up to a level that I'd rank above Gladiator.

Originally posted by leonidas
thor's reaction is telling as well--his power beggared description. very high praise from thor.
http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/7279/unledlv.th.png

And

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/5325/gladiatorx.th.jpg



Sorry, had to.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/HulkThorEqual.jpg

I raise you.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/Gladiator/HypeGlad1.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/7279/unledlv.th.png

And

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/5325/gladiatorx.th.jpg



Sorry, had to.

I know you are messing around Rage but in all honesty; In the first scan, Gladiator was exhausted and he mentions this before he threw down with Thor. Being forced to fight at hyper speed (because Thor and crew were wearing special devices) didn't help matters either. I'm actually surprised Gladiator did as well as he did.

Originally posted by Supermutant
I raise you.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/Gladiator/HypeGlad1.jpg

Raise me? Lol.

Stalemating an enraged Hulk for hours on end > Stalemating Hyperion in a contest that could last hours

Single Punch from Glads knocks Thing completely through 8 cars, and Ben thinks he has never been hit that hard.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/Gladiator/FF02.jpg

Originally posted by zopzop
I know you are messing around Rage but in all honesty; In the first scan, Gladiator was exhausted and he mentions this before he threw down with Thor. Being forced to fight at hyper speed (because Thor and crew were wearing special devices) didn't help matters either. I'm actually surprised Gladiator did as well as he did.

Gladiator wasn't at 100% but the battle was a fairly short one. Lasted only a page. Still, the point was that Gladiator acknowledged Thor's power and that he's strength equaled his own. Five gets you ten Walt will point out that he intended Thor to be seen -at least- on par with Gladiator strength wise.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, either Thor was moving at hyper speed or Gladiator was inside the nullifying effect of the time sled. People can't have it both ways.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Gladiator wasn't at 100% but the battle was a fairly short one. Lasted only a page. Still, the point was that Gladiator acknowledged Thor's power and that he's strength equaled his own. Five gets you ten, Walt will point out that he intended Thor to be seen -at least- on par with Gladiator strength wise.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, either Thor was moving at hyper speed or Gladiator was inside the nullifying effect of the time sled. People can't have it both ways.

Wait didn't Gladiator see them from space moving at hyper speed and matched them? He even stated it.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Raise me? Lol.

Stalemating an enraged Hulk for hours on end > Stalemating Hyperion in a contest that could last hours

Not the time but the force this a strenght contest. lol
From scan "Planet pulverizing force" just from grappling a minute.

Originally posted by zopzop
Wait didn't Gladiator see them from space moving at hyper speed and matched them? He even stated it.

He did. Which is why the scene doesn't make much sense to me. Either Walter completely forgot about drawing Thor with the device on or it's the most likely scenario, we're just over analyzing sh*t. He wanted the two to come off as peers in regards to physical might and he did just that. The rest are just details. Walter didn't care much about them, the story came first.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Single Punch from Glads knocks Thing completely through 8 cars, and Ben thinks he has never been hit that hard.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/Gladiator/FF02.jpg

So you have using performances against other characters?

Iight then. I'll raise you.

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/KillsThing.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/KillsThing2.jpg

Originally posted by Supermutant
Not the time but the force this a strenght contest. lol
From scan "Planet pulverizing force" just from grappling a minute.

Oh, okay. Stalemating the Hulk as long as he did is still easily more impressive. Who cares if it was planet pulverizing force?

Since you care so much about this stuff, Thor also stalemated Drax for an extended period while he was tapping into the Power Gem. Later on, he owned that version of Drax. A weaker version destroyed a planet locking up with Thanos and ripped apart a Star. It should also be noted that the very same weaker version was IIRC stalemated by a character who while noticeably amped was getting beat up by Thor.

I know this scares Gladiator fans silly, but destroying a planet....it's not that special much less some uber feat that makes him stronger than Thor.

Feat from Realm of Kings.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/imperial%20guard/styg10.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/imperial%20guard/styg11.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/imperial%20guard/styg12.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/thorion/imperial%20guard/styg13.jpg

Do you want a feat of destructive power or Thor moving something of similar size? If Gladiator's body is any indication of scale, I'd wager something as simple as Thor lifting a 747 with one hand is on par.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/7279/unledlv.th.png

And

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/5325/gladiatorx.th.jpg



Sorry, had to.

A weaken Glads did this first
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/Gladiator/Hyperspeed2.jpg

I'm sure Gladiator would be capable of knocking Thor down with a surprise bullrush plus a haymaker even if he was only half as strong. My stance has never been that Thor is far above Gladiator physically or anything silly like that. I do however believe Thor is -at least- on par with Kallark, and if push comes to shove I'd give him the edge.

Your scan with Thing's arm being broke is not cannon. I think it was in F4 the end of something. Anyway Gladiator gets the edge, but i agree their strength levels are close.

baka

No, it is cannon. The scans were from the last issue of the Thor: First Thunder miniseries.

ohhh

That's a pretty a iron clad argument. I concede. Screw all the shit that Thor's done, even if they're showings that Gladiator will only accomplish in the wet dreams of his supporters.

Gladiator punches Wonderman into the heart of the planet.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/Gladiator/SimonGlad3.jpg

Finishes of Thing with a school bus lol.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/Gladiator/FF12.jpg

Hammering Wonder Man, tossing a bus on Thing? I thing it's a pretty safe conclusion Gladiator is stronger.

On a more serious note, that's actually a pretty good showing for Wonder Man now that I think about it. Getting hammered with blow after blow to the point he gets sent to the center of the planet and returning a few pages later completely fine is an impressive showing. Especially when you take into account that he couldn't fly at the time.

Edit: Thanks to you Supermutant I just realized the Annihilators took on Tempus in #4. In comparison, Thor came out looking pretty damn good.

Hurts Ego the Living Planet by ramming him at near light speed.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/Gladiator/Ego3.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/Gladiator/Ego5.jpg

Silver Surfer states that they are evenly matched.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/Gladiator/Surfer2.jpg
Breaks free from SS hold and smacks him with his own board, sending him crashing into Ego.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/Gladiator/Surfer3.jpg

Haha. Those scans are non cannon. Besides, Gladiator being evenly matched with a character whom Thor has proven to have a significant advantage over when push comes to shove doesn't particularly help your argument.

I never read the issue, was Surfer weakened during his battle with Gladiator? The bottom panel of the third last scan suggests that. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised.

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not sure how you all want to label how much weight was moved to pull this off but: http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/thorfissure.jpg

loki's under a "million tons of earth" however

Thor wins.

Good game, Glads.

I wish I was a Gladiator fan. They don't seem to have to do much when it comes to proving anything.



Now that the the newest addition to the Gladiator's side is using feats against other characters, this has become much easier.

7 pages? I'm impressed.

Honestly, I would have thought the Thor/Herc armwrestling contest, Midgard Serpent, and stalemating the Hulk for hours on end would have put an end to this.

It should have, but you know how some posters are. Stalemating the Hulk in of itself is more impressive than anything Gladiator's done strength wise.

The only reason this thread lasted this long is because Batman-Prime or whatever his name is can't accept any feat that doesn't fit his specific guidelines. I honestly have no idea why I indulged the dude.

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb312/RespectThread/Vulcan/fights/fight%204/9.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/KillsThing.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/KillsThing2.jpg
Dayum.

what's that from? Did Thor seriously kill Thing in 616?

Originally posted by Supermutant
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb312/RespectThread/Vulcan/fights/fight%204/9.jpg

I'll tell you right now, comparing durability feats will be an even bigger uphill battle for Gladiator as his side can't hide behind the argument "He's using Mjolnir!!!! ".

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Dayum.

what's that from? Did Thor seriously kill Thing in 616?

Yea, he did, but Odin turned back time/warped reality.

Gladiator with a sleeper hold overpowers Hyperion and forces him to pass out.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/Gladiator/HypeGlad4.jpg

He didn't overpower Hyperion. It was made pretty clear during the battle that the two were pretty much identical in regards to power levels. Hyperion just lacked the experience of fighting beings on his level that Gladiator had. It allowed Kallark to gain the advantage.

I'm fine with you arguing that Gladiator is a superior/more formidable combatant as that was the intent of the writer, but if you're using that as evidence to argue that Gladiator proved to be stronger, I disagree.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/Gladiator/HypeGlad2.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/Gladiator/HypeGlad3.jpg

This is just manhandling. Rage, they've already been down for the 10 count, no reason to stomp them while they're out cold.

I'm the greatest, I'm a bad man, and I'm pretty.

Just give them the Fatality, Rage.

Nah bro, they don't deserve a quick death.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DefeatsGladiator10.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/MastersonThorvsGladiator8.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/MastersonThorvsGladiator9.jpg

Carver, H1n8? Anyone? This is your last chance to save Gladiator before Thor finally beast the life out of him.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Nah bro, they don't deserve a quick death.

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/MastersonThorvsGladiator8.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/MastersonThorvsGladiator9.jpg

I actually think these two are made to be relative equals in strength based on the direct showings of the two fighting. Strength was always a wash between these two, but Gladiator had the speed advantage while Thor had the power advantage. So I think just as most of you do that Gladiator being >>> Thor in strength isn't true, but...

You trying to not get a little context involved in these arguments? http://static.tumblr.com/noiu98j/gUplb4j88/trollface.jpg